Could-Be Commander in Chief Sarah Palin

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What was that TV show where Geena Davis was an unlikely female VP is thrust into the presidency after the tough national hero president she served under passed away while in office? That’s right: Commander in Chief.
Well, life may be following fiction (again) — without the passing away part. . .
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is going to be the one to debate Joe Biden in the VP debate. It will be a competition in folksiness.
This was a shrewd move by McCain. He had a lot of other options that were low sizzle — but this choice, while perplexing, still makes a lot of sense.
This from Timothy Egan:

She hunts! She fishes! She eats moose burgers! She can gut a salmon as well as dispatch an incumbent governor! She’s a rural mother of five who clings to guns and religion — exuberantly!
In choosing as his running mate Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, two years removed from her only other political job as a small-town mayor, John McCain has certainly offered up a giant-killer — “Sarah Barracuda,” as she’s known in the Last Frontier State.
Palin, who has more than a passing resemblance to Tina Fey, took on the kleptocracy of Alaska’s Republican politics and won.
First, she ousted hated incumbent Frank Murkowski in a primary two years ago, and then promptly cleaned up his mess in Juneau, even selling his private jet on e-bay. Second, she rejected the “bridge to nowhere,” the famous earmark for a span from Ketchikan to an island of 50 people — further angering the politicians-for-life who have run Alaska for half as long as it’s been in the union.

Like in the case of Obama, there was no perfect VP running mate for John McCain. But as I have suggested before — McCain needed an out-of-the-box running mate to motivate voters. Huckabee, Powell, Condi Rice, and even Joe Lieberman would have been interesting choices — though Lieberman would have motivated a lot of voters to organize even more strongly on behalf of Obama.
Palin is an out-of-the-box choice and will draw a good number of female votes. It’s as much sizzle as McCain could generate on his 72nd birthday today — and Palin is a bold choice (though what about that whoppingly big experience deficit????)
One problem though is that in the Dem VP contest, the public helped vet the final three or four candidates, but the public played no role in the GOP selection. There was huge interest in the nation in whether it would be Biden, Bayh, Kaine, Sibelius, or another candidate. Obama reaped the benefits of learning much more via public discussion about their reaction to Bayh, Biden, et. al. from the churning on the net — before his choice was finally announced.
McCain did no such thing. And thus, it will be interesting to see whether something new and previously unknown appears about this Alaska governor who hunts, fishes, and who cracked down on corruption in Alaska during the tenure of Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski’s father.
— Steve Clemons

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139 comments on “Could-Be Commander in Chief Sarah Palin

  1. Toronto condo says:

    I just wanted to make it clear that I do not necessarily agree with all the Supreme Court decisions, but I think it is important to understand what they actually mean.
    The Constitution does not specifically mention a right to privacy. However, Supreme Court decisions over the years have established that the right to privacy is a basic human right, and as such is protected by virtue of the 9th Amendment. The right to privacy has come to the public’s attention via several controversial Supreme Court rulings, including several dealing with contraception, interracial marriage, and abortion.
    The first Supreme Court decision to fully articulate the right to privacy was Griswold v. Connecticut, which held that the right to privacy included the right for married couples to use contraceptives. In Loving v. Virginia the court declared Virginia’s statute banning interracial marriage, the “Racial Integrity Act of 1924”, unconstitutional, thereby ending all race-based legal restrictions on marriage, again based on the “right to privacy”. Eisenstadt v. Baird invalidated a Massachusetts statute making it a crime for unmarried people to use contraceptives and for anyone to distribute contraceptives, other than doctors and pharmacists prescribing them only to married persons.
    Justice Brennan’s oft quoted opinion says: “If the right of privacy means anything, it is the right of the individual, married or single, to be free from unwarranted government intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person as the decision whether to bear or beget a child.” This language was clearly setting the stage for Roe v. Wade, which had already been argued before the Court when the Eisenstadt decision was handed down. And we know what Roe v. Wade established – that the government cannot ban abortion, only regulate it in certain ways.

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  2. Robbo says:

    Thank God and Greyhound she’s gone!

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  3. For Hillary in 2012 says:

    I just watched Palin’s speech tonight and I am one female Hillary supporter who would for the first time in my life consider voting for the Republican ticket. Palin’s digs on Obama were brilliant and well deserved. I especially liked her line about how you could support someone who uses change to advance his career or someone who has used his career to advance change (or something like that). I have to say McCain is looking a lot better to me than Obama these days.

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  4. Kathleen says:

    Carroll.. we should do it..too bad Paul is not a citizen…he’d be better than AHHHnold…we’d be a lot funnier…
    UncleBucky…please don’t insult the Mafia…the untouchables as presented by Hollyweird is as much a myth as democracy in American poltical parties behind the scenes machinations…and that includes BO’s head fakes on the Veepstakes…
    serum 2x…nutshell…that’s about the size of it…

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  5. UncleBucky says:

    The writer says:
    “One problem though is that in the Dem VP contest…Obama reaped the benefits of learning much more via public discussion about their reaction to Bayh, Biden, et. al…before his choice was finally announced. / McCain did no such thing…”
    Soooo…. This is Country First? Or rather is this Boys in the Back Room first?
    Sounds like Mafia politics in the Untouchables.
    Ugh. –UB.

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  6. Tahoe Editor says:

    Actually, this is what the Democrats say after they lose presidential elections. “If Americans are too stupid to vote for Barack Obama then they don’t DESERVE to have him as their president.”
    What a fvcking joke.

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  7. serum X2 says:

    Whoa ….. hold it, everybody …… you are forgetting about the eternal Ace in the Hole:
    “The American People are a Stupid People”
    It’s the Republican strategy in a nutshell, and it works because it occupies the center of American political reality.
    McCain has locked up the Presidency with his VP pick; it’s a no-brainer.

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  8. Paul Norheim says:

    Posted by Carroll Aug 30, 11:50PM – Link
    ———
    hehe, I`m a Norwegian. Not even my worst enemies can send me
    to the WH to deal with the consequences after 8 years with Bush.
    What about POA at State, repairing diplomatic relations?
    After all, Joshka Fisher once in the mid 80`s famously said
    something like:
    “Mit Erlaubnis, Herr Minister, du bist ein Aschloch!” (Aschloch
    meaning (you guessed it!) asshole). And Fisher did quite fine as a
    Foreign Minister of Germany years later.

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  9. ... says:

    tahoe editor quoting weekly standard – you can’t get any lower then that!

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  10. topspin says:

    Tahoe:
    Uh-huh.
    Again, you’re giving me taking points. Not why this makes sense
    in terms of helping McCain win an election.
    With Biden (and Hillary) already at work in Western PA, Palin is
    supposed to counter there with…what? McCain’s campaign
    forces there aren’t as strong as Obama’s, and all your glittery
    praise ain’t gonna change the situation on the ground; Palin’s
    just not going to play big enough there to make the difference
    on election day. So where? Northern MI? Seriously doubt it.
    Palin’s anti-conservationist, anti-choice pro-gun stance isn’t
    going to mobilize enough against what Biden and Clinton bring
    to the game there. Minnesota MAYBE. Big maybe, tho.
    I don’t think you can make much of a case that she helps in CO
    or NM – if anything, she could hurt McCain there. She’ll shore up
    NC and likely will tip VA to McCain. There’s no case to make that
    she’ll help in Iowa, to overcome McCain’s no-show there.
    Palin’s got her work cut out for here in Missouri, too. She’ll help
    “energize the base” as you’re fond of saying, but getting the
    turnout in West MO against what Obama is doing in key urban
    districts and progress in suburban districts in East MO? Don’t
    see it happening.
    As for Ohio, I don’t think your “reformer with results” is going to
    play as strongly as hoped in the Eastern part of the state – not
    enough to shake free the Hillary supporters: the economic
    hardships there are going to tilt them toward UHC and other
    Dem programs, and not get them that motivated by Palin’s
    record of political change in far-off Alaska.
    Even if – BIG if – Palin does work some magic throughout
    Appalachia, let’s give McCain OH and VA –– and MO and NC. And
    NV. Let’s even give McCain FL (one point Rep lead before Biden
    came aboard).
    But she’s got nothing to keep MI, MN, CO, NM, IA and probably
    NH from breaking to the Dems (and certainly not PA and NJ):
    show me how she’s going to help move enough key districts in
    McCain’s direction (rather than vice-versa)? I just don’t see it.
    So: this puts Obama over 270 and gives him the election.
    Like someone said earlier, this looks to make as much sense to
    me as Bush’s Miers nomination. I remain disappointed McCain
    couldn’t make a smarter choice – and this is just ONE reason.

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  11. Carroll says:

    “Carroll & Tiny copy and paste whole 3,000-word Promised Land screeds that take up many screenlengths, whether the topic is energy, FISA or John Edwards”
    Huumm…since I am getting so much name recognition lately I think I will run for President and make POA Secretary of Defense, send Paul to the State Department, make Kathleen press secretary and send quesions to the CIA.

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  12. Carroll says:

    Posted by Linda Aug 30, 12:07PM
    Carroll, one doesn’t get the country to run as President except in the state it is in. Most of the readers of TWN are more highly educated and smarter than Sarah Palin, but most of us would never make the statement you did above. I can’t run the country–wouldn’t want to gain the experience to do so and wouldn’t want to for many reasons including the nuclear responsibility.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Obviously you have no sense of humor. And if you are as anal retentive as this asine remark to me shows I suggest you take yourself a lot less seriously.

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  13. Tahoe Editor says:

    Palin energizes the base and pokes a hole in Obama’s “Change” shtick. His experience is campaigning for higher & higher office on the promise of change that he doesn’t deliver. Palin has done it. She’s the new “reformer with results”.
    Catch up with us on Steve’s most recent post — the one attacking John McCain’s patriotism.

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  14. topspin says:

    Tahoe-
    I’m still hoping you can tell me how this move helps McCain win
    the election. Make a credible case for how this swings the
    electoral college math in his direction. And for how McCain is
    going to make his his ad dollars go the distance (i.e., other picks
    could have freed dollars to fight harder in some swing states;
    now he’s going to (also) have to spend them shoring up
    narrowly-held red states).
    I’m disappointed in McCain’s pick because I don’t think this
    helps him nearly as much as some other candidates could have.
    At a time when Obama will be hitting the campaign trail with
    VERY strong surrogates to fight for swing states and get out the
    vote for dems in close districts, who are McCain’s strong
    surrogates? There’s no case you can make at this that Palin will
    be very productive in this role; in fact, the reaction so far among
    too many top-line conservative journalists and politicos
    influential among key Rep groups (DC, NY and elsewhere)
    indicates she may be more of a liability as a McCain surrogate.
    Help me out: don’t give me just breathless prose – show me how
    this actually moves McCain forward in the real world. It’s not
    adding up…

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  15. chopper says:

    “A spectre is haunting the liberal elites of New York and Washington — the spectre of a young, attractive, unapologetic conservatism, rising out of the American countryside, free of the taint of the Bush administration and the recent Republican Congress, able to invigorate a McCain administration and to govern beyond it. ”
    Uhm… lol?
    Have you even been paying attention for the past 8 years? People of all stripes are increasingly identifying with Democrats and progressive causes. Identification with Republicans and conservative causes is WAY WAY down. This is especially true of the younger generation.
    On top of that, Palin is a religious extremist. Taking Christianity, and warping it so all of its worst qualities come to the fore.
    She represents an extremely radical, conservative viewpoint. One that is increasingly well outside mainstream American values.

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  16. questions says:

    Obama has (I’m pretty sure) a poli sci undergrad degree, a law degree, a decade plus of teaching Con Law (remember the oath of office is all about upholding the Constitution), time in the statehouse of a large and complex state where urban and rural and industrial and racial and corporate interests all bounce off each other, some (small) time in the Senate, work on nuclear proliferation issues (and travel to Europe for that), contacts with academics and policy figures for many years, contacts in Congress and the media, enough ambition for the office that he started working on national and international issues a long time ago.
    The fact is that Obama can develop positions quickly as situations arise because he actually already has background knowledge that is necessary for such work. Palin isn’t there. She could certainly end up there eventually.
    The point about the major is that the kinds of things you learn as an undergrad in journalism are not the kinds of things you need to develop foreign and domestic policy.
    It’s not at all sexist or hypocritical or self-contradictory to say that Obama is significantly better placed as pres than Palin is as vp.
    And since when is Obama 08 a fantasy of the naive outsider? The rough and tumble of Chicago politics, time in the IL statehouse and the Senate, time teaching Con Law, Harvard Law — this is outsider?? This is naive/naif?? The whole change theme/meme doesn’t come from naive outsiderness, it comes from bottom up community organizing people putting demands on their government for services. Not taking it when FEMA has the former head of the Arabian Horse Association running things instead of someone with training in emergency relief operations (Or is “Brownie” okay in your book??) — this kind of refusing to fail before we start is more the Obama issue than is the naif goes to Washington.
    And furthermore, Palin’s policies (the ones she has) are largely awful, so she can be criticized for those safely. (And no, I’m not demanding ANY scholarly articles. Just some evidence of her having thought through Constitutional issues, international issues, scientific issues….)

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  17. Tahoe Editor says:

    I mention the one of five children heading off to Iraq because it’s going to be a major selling point to U.S. voters. Though I’m reading a lot about the leadership skills it takes to raise five kids, and I think that line sells, too.
    I think Palin will give McCain his pro-life creds to energize the base, but like Gerry Ferraro said, the Senate has a lock on Roe vs. Wade. This woman is appealing to U.S. voters in so many ways. Unless she’s gaffes it up big time, this is a game changer and a big boost for the GOP’s shot at holding on to the White House.
    “lack of travel and contact with the nation and the world”? Obama — chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on Europe — went to Europe for the first time in his life for a campaign event!
    Suddenly we’re poo-pooing her journalism degree and demanding all kinds of scholarly articles. I thought the Lincoln shtick was you could come from a dirt-floor cabin, teach yourself by candlelight, and, with some gift of “judgment”, rise to lead the nation. The knee-jerk double standard — it’s amazing the MSM Big Wigs don’t think more before they start typing.
    “the fantasy of the naive outsider’s coming in and taking over is Hollywood 101” — yes, and it’s called OBAMA ’08!
    I concede “Palin matters more than Biden.” But Obama matters more than McCain by about 10 orders of magnitude.

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  18. questions says:

    Oh, and TahoeEditor, I know I’ve been chastised here endlessly for mentioning the sources of links, but I’m a gonna do it again anyway. WSJ editorial? Michael Gerson?? NYPost???
    Not necessarily the stuff of cogent argument.

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  19. Paul Norheim says:

    “It’s the top of the ticket that matters — everybody knows it.”
    (Tahoe)
    Not so much when the top of the ticket is an old man. Palin
    matters more than Biden.

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  20. questions says:

    TahoeEditor,
    I’ll agree with you that cultural shifts have made it difficult to discuss Palin’s incapacities in a politic and non-sexist seeming manner, and that may well have been part of the thinking. My guess is that the same dynamic occurred w/Obama, only with race issues, and w/ McCain on age issues. When we see what we think should be automatic disqualifications attached to “non-traditional” applicants, we have a hard time speaking because we are, all of us, out of joint while new social formations take hold.
    That said, I will still say that being a mom of 5 isn’t the same as negotiating with 5 nations over borders, troops, strategic alliances and the like. “Reforming” Alaskan politics (really questionable claim as far as I can see) is not the same as getting Congress to toe a line. Religious belief that includes creationism is not at all what should be directing White House science policy. The strict anti-abortion thing pleases only a small constituency in the country. The lack of travel and contact with the nation and the world is, maybe, a problem.
    Now of course, McCain has in spades everything she’s missing, so maybe it doesn’t matter. But she’s a “heartbeat away” and his deep deep duty is to pick someone who can manage the country, not someone who can manage a family and a 5400 person town (there are lingering financial issues), and a 600,000 person state (there are lingering questions over this as well).
    So without referring to her gender, to her beauty queen experience (maybe it was for the scholarship money, since, sadly, at some point the gawdawful Miss America THING was the largest sponsor of college scholarships for women), to her foolish travel while leaking amniotic fluid during a high risk pregnancy (her age automatically makes it high risk), to her corrupt husband or to most other personal things, one can still make a strong case against Sarah Palin’s nomination for VP.
    She’s not noble for being a way-outsider, she’s left less than capable should McC not make it. Think what this choice asks of her — with a journalism degree in which one learns well how to write a leading paragraph and get the 5 “w”s in, no Congressional background, no international politics background, not even a poli sci major so that you read a few articles on the structure of government and nations — with this as her training, do you really expect her to be able to run the country should it be necessary? There is, in my mind, a level of cruel disrespect in laying this at someone’s feet this way. You, of course, don’t turn the job down, but you, of course, aren’t really up to snuff.
    I think the fantasy of the naive outsider’s coming in and taking over is Hollywood 101, and isn’t reflective of reality. So what McCain ends up giving us is someone who will be utterly and profoundly and sadly dependent on her handlers, staff, and aides. She can be a placeholder, not a president.
    What she does bring, though, is fantasy. Guy/babe fantasy (it’s out there in comment postings), mom-can-make-it fantasy, pro-life fantasy, oil/infinite energy fantasy, anyone can be president fantasy, Alaska/get away from it all fantasy, uncorrupt/unspoiled/practically virgin fantasy, and tough babe fantasy. And where I get concerned is that fantasy dominates our thinking way more than argument, policy positions and careful thinking.

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  21. Tahoe Editor says:

    The more Obama tries to run against Palin instead of McCain, the more he’ll lose, just like trying to run against Bush instead of McCain.
    It’s the top of the ticket that matters — everybody knows it.

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  22. Paul Norheim says:

    McCain may be in charge during the whole period, or he may get
    sick or die, and Palin takes over.
    But there is also a third option – with a weak or sick McCain
    apparently in charge, but behind the scenes Palin has the real
    power. A strong VP… an unexperienced version of Dick Cheney.

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  23. Paul Norheim says:

    So let me respond to your spam a couple of posts above, Tahoe,
    by saying that the opposite is also true: by attacking the
    democratic man relentlessly on the experience issue, republicans
    are undermining their own woman.
    I wonder how they`re going to attack Obama now, if “experience”
    is off the table? It was generally assumed to be one of their best
    weapons.

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  24. Tahoe Editor says:

    WSJ EDITORIAL:
    Governor Palin’s credentials as an agent of reform exceed Barack Obama’s. Mr. Obama rose through the Chicago Democratic machine without a peep of push-back. He slid past the kind of forces that Mrs. Palin took head on.
    Senator Obama’s acceptance speech made it clear that his campaign strategy is pegged to linking Mr. McCain to the Beltway Republicans and the struggling economy. The vulnerability in the Obama plan is there’s little in it that is new. He’d mostly replace one status quo with an earlier status quo of government spending schemes. Joe Biden is no help on that.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122004983609584755.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks
    MICHAEL GERSON: “Post-partisan” smoke & mirrors
    The Democratic ticket consists of two of the most ideological liberals in the United States Senate. It includes no reasonable governor, no candidate with Southern roots, no member with a military background (for the first time in decades). And now it offers the purest message of partisan aggression and class resentment.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/the_transformation_of_obama.html

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  25. Tahoe Editor says:

    KIRSTEN POWERS: A Brilliant Trap Makes Dems the Male Chauvinists
    She’s just a beauty queen. She’s another Dan Quayle.
    And ironically, the biggest criticism of Sarah Palin, John McCain’s veep choice, is she has no experience. Funny, coming from the Barack Obama camp.
    Is she a gamble? Definitely. But so is Barack Obama, who has himself dismissed experience as a prerequisite for leadership, despite his spot atop the Democratic ticket.
    Listening to Obama supporters take to the airwaves to shriek with indignation about her lack of experience is just a little too rich. Where were they when Obama, two years into the Senate, announced his candidacy for president?
    On CNN, during a discussion about whether it was appropriate for Palin to accept this job when she has a baby, Dana Bash pointed out it’s unlikely anyone would ask this of a male candidate.
    I can’t help wondering if this is a trap. The McCain camp watched and learned as Obama supporters offended Hillary supporters by their treatment of her. The McCainiacs had to know that this group is incapable of behaving, that Palin would bring out their worst instincts.
    Geraldine Ferraro rejected the idea that all the so-called Hillary voters would be repelled by Palin’s staunch anti-abortion views. These voters know the Senate will have a veto-proof Democratic majority, so that lessens the potency of that issue.
    The other potential trap is luring the Obama campaign onto the “experience” field. The early conventional wisdom says McCain’s pick was boneheaded because it takes the experience issue off the table. But it seems that it has done the opposite: The importance of experience is the topic of the day.
    The more Democrats complain about this, the more Republicans can turn it on them and say, “If you are so concerned about the amount of experience of the vice president, what about the top of your ticket?”
    Obama’s argument thus far has been that experience isn’t what counts; it’s judgment.
    BY ATTACKING THE REPUBLICAN WOMAN RELENTLESSLY ON THIS ISSUE, DEMOCRATS ARE UNDERMINING THEIR OWN MAN.
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/08302008/news/columnists/a_brilliant_trap_makes_dems_the_male_cha_126765.htm

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  26. Tahoe Editor says:

    A spectre is haunting the liberal elites of New York and Washington — the spectre of a young, attractive, unapologetic conservatism, rising out of the American countryside, free of the taint of the Bush administration and the recent Republican Congress, able to invigorate a McCain administration and to govern beyond it.
    That spectre has a name — Sarah Palin, the 44-year-old governor of Alaska, a working woman who’s a proud wife and mother; a traditionalist in important matters who’s broken through all kinds of barriers; a reformer who’s a Republican; a challenger of a corrupt good-old-boy establishment who’s a conservative; a successful woman whose life is unapologetically grounded in religious belief; a lady who’s a leader.
    So what we will see in the next days and weeks is an effort by all the powers of the old liberalism, both in the Democratic Party and the mainstream media, to exorcise this spectre. They will RIDICULE HER and PATRONIZE HER. They will distort her words and caricature her biography. They will APPEAL, sometimes explicitly, TO ANTI-SMALL TOWN AND ANTI-RELIGIOUS PREJUDICE. All of this will be in the cause of trying to prevent the American people from arriving at their own judgment of Sarah Palin.
    Palin will be a compelling and mold-breaking example for lots of Americans who are told every day that to be even a bit conservative or Christian or old-fashioned is bad form. In this respect, Palin can become an inspirational figure and powerful symbol. The left senses this, which is why they want to discredit her quickly.
    If Palin holds her own against Biden, McCain will have succeeded in combining with his own huge advantage in experience and judgment, a politician of great promise in his vice presidential slot who will make Joe Biden look like a TIRESOME RELIC.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/500wrhjq.asp

    Before anyone gets all hot-headed about this so-called spamming, I’d like to note that I offer an abstract and a link if you’d like to read more of this current and on-topic piece. Carroll & Tiny copy and paste whole 3,000-word Promised Land screeds that take up many screenlengths, whether the topic is energy, FISA or John Edwards. Making TWN readers scroll & scroll & scroll to get back to the topic at hand — THAT’s spam.

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  27. Alex P says:

    Joe M,
    I just want to say in real world, a president’s inclination on his/her policies can actually change people’s lives, create or avoid a war, etc., while his/her rhetoric and campaign strategies matter very little.
    I don’t want to take what you say out of context but after reading your comment twice, I am still under the impression that to you a president’s beliefs and policies matters much LESS than how a president talks and pick his PR moves.
    Fine, since the campaign Obama hasn’t been the biggest advocate for minority and other good causes THAT HE BELIEVES IN, which may mean he has been acting against his will. And compared to that McCain’s speeches has been relatively honest. But honest about what? About supporting going to Iraq?
    You said you are voting for third party, but why would you hypothetically pick McCain over Obama as the president, considering you agree on Obama’s beliefs (not his campaign) instead of McCain? Does it really matter to you who will become the president?

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  28. I gotta woody says:

    She’s read the Left Behind series and that’s all the God damn hell she has to now about foreign policy, damn it!
    It is now a lock; God is at the controls, man; McCain will win, die in office, and pumpkin puss will be sayin’ “ehw, what’s this little red button for … umm … yah ready Jesus … here we go … 1 – 2 – 3 ….”
    I just love it, comedy and tragedy never ascended higher together.
    C’mon God !!!!
    (….. and d’ rockets’ red glare, the bombs busting in d’ air ….. and I don’t care …. )

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  29. Judyc says:

    Yes, the Christian right loves Palin. But in the end, most Hillary voters aren’t going to vote for someone who is anti-choice and Palin will scare off a lot of men, I suspect.
    My first clue for the latter: my husband said that the thought of her becoming president “terrifies” him. He got online and started contributing money to Obama-Biden, DSCC, DCCC… and others.

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  30. carsick says:

    Typo correction: “… at the foot of THE master”

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  31. carsick says:

    Also, for a supposed feminist, how does she like the imagery McCain’s advisor, Charlie Black, is painting. She will be “at the foot of a master.”
    Bet that gets the supposed PUMA crowd energized.

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  32. carsick says:

    Don Bacon
    A start would be displaying some national security ideas and foreign policy knowledge earlier than 65 days before an election. I’m sure she is a fast learner but I believe that’s possibly enough time to just learn the talking points and not the history and philosophy behind those points. She will be giving us her handlers’ opinions, not her own. Maybe in four years she’ll be better prepared but she is woefully unprepared now to be our nation’s vice president.
    If you take the leadership of our nation, still the most powerful in the world yet in perilous times, that cavalierly then you probably are living in the wrong time or place. She might make a good county commissioner (my county has a bigger population than Alaska) but we don’t have any oil and I’m not sure how she would handle a tight budget that doesn’t include oil taxes and large federal earmarks.

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  33. varanassi says:

    just to reiterate, when i was 16 i worked in a local pizza joint in the suburbs of pittsburgh, PA.
    my boss, the owner of the restaurant, insisted on interviewing me FACE TO FACE before he would allow me to even KNEAD DOUGH in the back of the kitchen!
    i guess the vice presidency isn’t as critical a position as that of an assistant pizza maker?!
    unfuckingbelievable.
    God please help the united states of america.
    and steve:
    how the hell could you think this was a “shrewd move” that “makes a lot of sense”???
    with all due respect, i’ve lost a tremendous amount of respect for you and for your judgement

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  34. Don Bacon says:

    The conservatives are re-energized by the Palin selection. She’s a Real Conservative, unlike McCain.
    Palin unqualified? Given the record of US presidents in the last fifty years, what does it mean to be qualified? To be bought-and-paid for, like long-term pols? Who do you think paid for the recent DLC extravaganza, the tooth fairy?

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  35. carsick says:

    topspin
    I’m not saying what they hope for will work. I was just pointing out the calculation of putting a huntin’ and fishin’ evangelical female on the ticket.
    Sen. Clinton did very well in Appalachia where many are historically democrat but voted for Bush twice. A strong thread of racism also runs through the area.
    I actually think she may help Obama in Colorado because she energizes the base and seems anti-conservation which has little appeal to independents in that state. She also strongly helps Obama in Florida, a state Obama has been contending in but not basing a win on. It may be in the win column soon and that is landslide territory.
    Who knows?

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  36. MarkL says:

    Oh yeah, McCain is such a pushover and idiot.
    You guys are fools.
    I’m so glad Hillary is taking an active role in speaking for the Democratic ticket, though. Her response to the Palin selection was pitch perfect.
    Her latest appeal was great as well: she pumped up Obama, while also saying that Congress would pass a UHC bill which Obama would sign.
    Good for her.
    It’s definitely a bad tactic to bring up Palin laughing at a sexist remark. Obama is a total ass in that area, himself.. best to drop the subject.

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  37. soldier says:

    Oh, one last thing.
    She has a streak of prom-queen immaturity in her that is going to come out and have a strong impact.
    A little taste:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKkydrUnBZE&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/

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  38. questions says:

    Conspiracy theory a) McC is so bad that at the convention, he’s dumped.
    Conspiracy theory b) the deal is when he dies, she resigns (after picking a replacement veep — no Pelosi in the White House) and she and hubby get lots of oil money.
    Conspiracy theory c)McC is so bad that when Bush and Cheney do their Oct. surprise coup d’etat, no one complains.
    Conspiracy theory d)it’s an effective choice because we’ve been taught to demean collective effort and politics and politicians so thoroughly that we ALWAYS think there’s not a dime’s worth of difference and so who cares who’s in the White House.
    Think how often the term “politician” is used as an insult. If it’s such an awful thing to be, then Palin’s outsider status, momness, and beauty queenness are all better qualifications than any amount of time in the Senate or any amount of education.

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  39. soldier says:

    Palin’s biggest impact, as others have pointed out, may be in the immediate short term.
    As a short term tactic it worked. It helped wipe the success of the Democratic Convention and Obama’s solid placement in the readiness category from the media cycle. The press are lapping it up. It was a short term tactical success, enabled by the media sources.
    But the Democratic Convention was a long term success. Obama’s speech is already out there. Millions have seen it, and will revisit it. It was full of all the qualities he needed to exhibit to counter the Republican attack line. Leadership, strength, vision, history, and about as many policy specifics as you could squeeze into such a (non-policywonk) speech. As well as having an emotional core that rang true. Obama’s speech has legs, his nomination acceptance places him solidly in the “ready for CinC” category, and this will become the dominant theme of the election.
    After a few days, the bloom will fade form Palin. She is not the reformer she claims to be, and her pushing of that storyline will falter under media scrutiny. Even with the low bar the media is currently holding the McCain campaign to. She has her own abuse-of-power scandal simmering. Her views are extremist, to be generous. Joe Biden will smilingly eviscerate her on the ISSUES.
    Her biggest impact will be in the short term. Her charm will not overcome her extremist views. She is candy for the chattering classes to use to distract from the success of the Democratic Convention and Obama’s readiness.

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  40. topspin says:

    carsick – She’s not going to counter the Dem ticket in PA (Dems 5
    points up already BEFORE Biden was announced), and in OH Reps
    were up only one point before Biden – who will to help in that state
    – joined the ticket (and strong Dem registration drives will
    probably be a major factor), so I disagree. McCain was already up 8
    points in WV. VA is a tossup – and an example of where I don’t
    think she adds enough to the ticket to make a big difference there.
    I don’t think she’s going to swing Michigan or Minnesota or Iowa
    strongly (enough) to McCain to overturn narrow Dem margins.
    Maybe Colorado, but that’s questionable. Can she help shore up
    IN? Doubt she does much there.
    I’m still not convinced she can shore up the closest states for
    McCain, or swing the close dem-leaning states away from Obama.
    And so I can’t see much value in the selection…

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  41. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Gads, the fact that we are actually discussing the REALITY of McCain’s insane choice is surreal to the extreme. This is so fuckin’ bizzarre that it seems like a dream. What are these monsters up to?
    Yikes.

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  42. Ian Allen says:

    You are all overlooking the constant that makes this choice brilliant:
    “The American People are a Stupid People.”
    This adage is the basis for all Rovian national political strategies.
    I know you all will say, “Hey, wait a minute, the American People are Dumb, but they are NOT Stupid” but, really, is there any difference?

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  43. questions says:

    Jeff D,
    No, it isn’t like all the fluid runs out…. The baby’s head can block the flow, and menstrual pads can deal with it….
    The crazy thing is that with baby #n, labor tends to be very short, and so you’re actually supposed to go straight to the hospital with the nth kid, though not with the first.
    No way, no how, no thousand bucks plus a year is worth the risk of delivering on a plane, in a car, with a fox, in a box…. And please note that she and her husband earn enough — they don’t need the money. (Did she drive herself? Super risky bad judgment if so. And did she bump into a Christian who drew a cross in the snow?)
    Two possible explanations — SHE’S A MAVERICK (insert registered trademark symbol) OR, the unsubstantiated and totally disproven rumor that it was her daughter’s baby is true. Though why anyone would need to cover for a pregnant 17 year year old in this century is beyond me.
    What remains then is that she’s a bad decision-maker, as is her newfound boss whose MAVERICK status (insert registered trademark symbol) is equally horrifying.
    My offhand guess is that husband-corruption will hit her just as it did Ferrarro (sp?), she’ll be charming and cute and incorrect and misinformed and won’t be able to memorize a sufficient number of briefing books to handle a press conference, she’ll say POW (insert registered trademark symbol) as often as her boss does, she’ll be “handled” away from pressers, she’ll make McCain look brilliant and statesmanlike by comparison, someone will say to McCain, on camera, Oh, your granddaughter is so nice! and maybe the cuteness factor will put some tossup states back into the Rep. column. Cuteness might be easier for some to support than blackness.
    And she can always claim that, “If you have ever gotten 4 kids to all of their ballet and soccer and hockey and art and tutoring and swimming lessons every week for a whole school year, then you can certainly look Putin in the eye and know his soul.”
    Oh my.

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  44. Kathleen says:

    Don Bacon…I agree.. I don’t think our Funding Fathers envisioned this country having a standing army, so I don’t think the role of CIC was as important as the President’s civilian duties…the world has changed, but diplomacy,imo is still the more important qualification…back when the Constitution was drafted, the President actually was a commander in the field…that doesn’t happen any more…last time round we had a couple of draft dodgers, commandering…how f-ed was that?

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  45. Linda says:

    Thank you, WigWag! I think we are going to see and hear a lot more from Hillary and Bill and Chelsea now urging the entire Democratic base and everyone to vote for Obama. I’d urge everyone who cares about this country to donate or get out and work a little for a high Democratic and independent turnout. And to think and talk about this election as if the future of this country depends on that. We really can’t afford four more years of incompetent running of the country. We couldn’t afford the first one, and we’ve had eight.
    One point I haven’t seen anyone mention here much is how this will look to Europe and the rest of the world. A ticket of a man who sings “Bomb, bomb Iran” and a woman holding big guns visiting her National Guard in Kuwait. How many countries has she visited? Obama has served on the Foreign Relations Committee which BTW McCain never has. His experience is all on the Armed Services Committee. That always has told me something about diplomacy v. military action about the two candidates. How many U.S. states besides Idaho and Alaska had Palin visited before becoming governor?
    If you are concerned that we’ve lost the respect and trust of the world community and that they also are afraid of us, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. And pictures of Palin are all over the world already creating new terrorists who will hate us more. They are as scary as pictures of terrorist women suicide bombers. And pictures are worth a million words.
    Let’s be clear that Alaska is an easy state to run because it’s very rich from oil and gas, one of the few that has a surplus. So we all contribute to its economic success. The population of the entire state is less than most major cities in the country. The scandals that she fixed with ethics reform anyone could and would have fixed. And nobody was going to build a bridge to nowhere. And the voting public doesn’t understand the breakdown of the federal government well enough to understand that earmarks are small change, though stupid small change. Also small change they like when the funds come to their communities.
    Troopergate should be left alone as an issue because it’s just a trashy story where no side is right or wrong, and the official report will come out a week before the election.
    Carroll, one doesn’t get the country to run as President except in the state it is in. Most of the readers of TWN are more highly educated and smarter than Sarah Palin, but most of us would never make the statement you did above. I can’t run the country–wouldn’t want to gain the experience to do so and wouldn’t want to for many reasons including the nuclear responsibility.
    Bacon, in a nuclear age, being Commander-in-chief is an enormous responsibility. That wasn’t an issue in late 1919 through all of 1920 when Woodrow Wilson was not physically or mentally fit to run the country–and the extent of his incapacity could be hidden from the public. Wilson had the stroke when he was 63 years old, same age as when FDR died from a massive stroke.
    So today 73 may be the new 63, McCain is still at risk because of his age. In 1/09 if McCain had a stroke, Sarah Palin could be President and have all that responsibility. She could act and speak the part, but Karl Rove actually be running the country.
    I’ve been an advocate here for thinking before one votes and thinking calmly and cooly about issues and consequences. But I now will add that I will be voting emotionally too because I truly fear for the future of our country if McCain-Palin wins in November.

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  46. carsick says:

    topspin
    She is hoped to do well with Appalachia and that effects rural OH, PA, WV, VA and beyond.

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  47. ... says:

    women are going to vote for her because she is a mother of 5 and the vp of the usa at the same time? i guess that is american family values usa style, lol… some folks aren’t thinking this one thru, but hey – IMAGE is everything and pay no attention to the details…. 5 kids, one of which is a special needs kid and she is nothing more then a pretty face with no time for vp and mother of 5 roll folks… only a bozo like rove or mccain would pick her…. but this is the kicker : she got in power in alaska by outing corrupt republican party insiders and leaders… if she could do that nationally she would be worth voting for, but alas she is a trophy pick and nothing more…

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  48. topspin says:

    I just don’t see her helping seal the deal for McCain in PA, OH, MI.
    She’ll probably seal up NC and NV for McCain, and possibly FL, but I
    don’t think she’ll take much back that is already tipping toward
    Obama, especially with Biden ow on the ticket. NH? CO? WI? I don’t
    think she’s strong enough to get McCain what he needs. Nor will
    she spark the kind of turnout among Rep voters who aren’t already
    going to turn out for their candidate – at least not enough to stack
    up…

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  49. carsick says:

    It seems some like the profile at the expense of her experience so they are rebuilding her experience. Rove just said she was mayor of the second largest city in Alaska when, in reality, she was the mayor of a town that doesn’t make Alaska’s top ten cities and is known as the “Meth capitol of Alaska.” My local paper called her an energy expert when, in reality, she was more like the pitching coach for a single A team claiming she’s an expert on the MLB.
    She fought against the bridge to nowhere when, in reality, she was for it until she realized she would still get the money from the federal earmark without having to build the bridge.
    And she’s ready to be vice president despite McCain’s own advisor, Charlie Black, saying “She’s going to learn national security at the foot of the master for the next four years, and most doctors think that he’ll be around at least that long.” Boy, is that reassuring particularly when McCain is now older than his father and grandfather when they died.
    McCain just spit in the face of every American for a cheap political stunt and some of you say “I love the rain.”
    She may be smart, fearless and charming but she was not a good choice for our country at this time.

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  50. topspin says:

    Whatever side of this thread you’re on this morning, can someone
    (Tahoe?) please explain how this choice helps McCain win the
    election? NOT the popular vote: the electoral votes in swing states.
    I haven’t done all the math (hey, it’s still early here on the west
    coast), but I don’t see enough electoral votes shifting columns even
    if she gets McCain all the support they’re hoping for.
    Otherwise, you’re wasting your breath.

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  51. Don Bacon says:

    This “Commander-in-Chief” business is a bit overblown, don’t you think? I mean, if Shrub can do it, anyone can.

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  52. Kathleen says:

    If Rove is advising McPain, you can bet they have hired the best pollster available to do their internal in depth psychological research and their choice of Palin was based on their findings on attitudes on a woman on the ticket….there may have been better qualified women in the GOP to pick, but only if they were willing to run with McPain….
    In any case, in the PR game, the choice completely upstaged BO coming out the gate…that will affect the bounce/no bounce…which in turn will create or not create a snowblall effect…conformists watch the polls and try to jump on the right bandwagon… there are more unaffiliated voters then partisan ones so they don’t have the d or r religion… the whole process is a crap shoot from start to finish.. people who are well informed are on the endangered species list…the next time you go to a store, ask the salesclerk what they think about Kyl-Lieberman…I’ll be surprised if they’ve even heard of it, let alone know what it is…my point being… that people will vote for the damndest reasons, many completely illogical and against their own interest… 8 years of Dopey and Darth…if people would vote for a candidate who can’t even speak in complete sentences, Sarah Palin could look downright smart….

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  53. PissedOffAmerican says:

    And Tahoe, you might consider giving your readers ALL of the story when you seek to white wash Palin’s troopergate antics….
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/
    Appointee Served Just Two Weeks
    By Kate Klonick – August 29, 2008, 7:32PM
    It looks like there’s even more muck than meets the eye in Trooper-Gate.
    After the allegedly improper firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) appointed former Kenai Police Chief Chuck Kopp to the post.
    Kopp served just two weeks this summer as the head of law enforcement in Alaska, resigning on July 25, after a past complaint of sexual harassment and a subsequent letter of reprimand surfaced in news reports.
    But Palin made sure he had a soft fall for grace, giving him a $10,000 severance package for just two weeks served.
    While Palin has conceded she was aware of the past complaint against Kopp, she claims that she thought the complaint had been unsubstantiated and was unaware of the letter of reprimand.

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  54. PissedOffAmerican says:

    So, it was money that motivated Pocahontas Palin to brave the wilderness trail at great risk to her unborn child. Perfect, she’s qualified.
    Uhm, BTW, are you uh, sure that Alaskan citizens children lose the monthly stipend if complications neccesitate the child being born out of state, Becky?
    And uh, is your comment typical of the insane drivel we are going to be listening to for months now to justify McCain’s insane and surreal “fuck you” to the safety and security of the United States by choosing this woman?

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  55. Tahoe Editor says:

    Paul, get a grip. I provide links, just like you, and I provide original copy, just like you. If it’s not linked, it’s original. Here are the 900 original words I’ve contributed so far to this post alone. This is my voice. If you haven’t heard it yet, it’s because, as I said, you’re not a very good listener. Note I get a lot of people telling me to shut up & go away, but I don’t return that childish idiocy. I like to read what others have to say.

    The trooper in question was involved in domestic abuse. What a scandal — getting a bad cop off the dole.
    The bottom of the GOP ticket has more experience than the top of the Dem ticket.
    William Kristol et. al. have been pushing hard for Sarah “Darling Of The Conservatives” Palin for months. They must be thrilled to have a history-making candidate with a record of reform. And change. Oh, and hope. The Talking Radio Heads in Nevada are already saying all the Ron Paul people — and there are a lot of them here — will fall for her. Probably more than the No. 1 and No. 3 Most Liberal Senators.
    If the Dems’ strategy is Bush=McCain, they can expect to see Barack Obama holding his first Senate hearing this fall.
    Palin is a Christian who presumably is still on speaking terms with her pastor, and one of her five children is leaving for Iraq next month. Checkmate.
    Here’s to hoping Hillary knocks Harry Reid off his high horse.
    This Wooten guy doesn’t sound like someone the average American would want carrying a badge and government-issued firearms — no matter who his ex-sister-in-law is. If Monegan doesn’t get that, he should look for another job.
    Sarah Palin, Christian Mother Of Four, Wants to Protect Americans From Abusive Cops. Total scandal. This story has no legs.
    RE: Experience. Palin has more than Obama. Vote for Obama, and get a president whose biggest accomplishment is running for president. Vote for McCain, and there’s a chance that sometime during his administration, we’d get the first woman president who also happens to have more experience than Obama.
    Keep talking about Palin’s so-called inexperience — it just points back to the top of the Dem ticket.
    IF Palin=unserious,
    THEN Obama=farcical.
    You can’t stop that boomerang. So keep calling her unserious.
    Obama’s experience is selling himself. Palin’s experience is governing. Compare, contrast, compare, contrast.
    If I’m reaching by saying Dems’ attacks on her experience point to their nominee, then there’s a lot of reaching going on in the MSM & elsewhere right about now.
    Barack has said 1,000 times “I’m happy to have that debate, anywhere, anytime” — “anytime” being July 4th or let’s just wait till the fall so I can have some time to figure out what the hell I’m doing.
    Attacking small towns is another loser. Not all American leaders come from City Slicker backgrounds; cf The Man From Abilene.
    Attack her for being from a small town; attack her for not giving birth as you would; attack her leadership & executive experience — either way you cut it, it’s more than Obama’s.
    Obama’s nomination is an statement from the Democratic Party that “experience doesn’t matter” — it’s “judgment” that matters, which BO somehow possesses because he gave a speech in 2002. Denver’s message is experience doesn’t matter. So Dems saying Palin doesn’t have enough experience is a truly loony and disjointed quasi-message.
    Obama already took the lead for his campaign in getting burned with his attacks on small-town America. That the line is being recycled says a lot about the Dems’ supposed superior “judgment”.
    I’ve been looking for a third party. Bull Moose sounds as good as any else this year. The Sierra Club has conservative roots and runs programs for Army kids. There’s lots of overlap there. Come on — someone try to find something to make me really hate Sarah. Surely you can do better than this.

    The Biden Brigade, charging in with Wesley Clark without their preconditions, led by a Foggy Bottom Policy of asking ALL sides to “show restraint”. But there will be no appeasement.
    Calling Palin a lightweight hurts the Democratic nominee. She is the executive of one of the states of the union and has been clearly focused on making lots of change and doing lots of governing — not talking about lots of change and doing little of anything but campaigning (no committee hearings).
    McCain may not know Palin well, but he knows what she has done and what she wants to do. They are intergenerational political soul mates, and he can use her as a rising leader to put his stamp on the GOP brand.
    What’s the shelf life on “That’s Not Change!” now?
    Nobody expects the women who supported Hillary to vote for McCain because Palin is on the ticket. They expect a lot of independent & conservative women who never would have voted for a Democrat will vote for McCain because Palin is on the ticket. Get it?
    Note the media brainfarts like Jonathan Roberts and Jonathan Alter asking if Palin should be running for office given that she has a baby with Down syndrome.
    HELLO you supposedly liberal freaks — what man should consider himself unfit for office because he has a kid with Down syndrome?! These are the idiots Palin has called “Neanderthals.” If they keep it up, they could create a lot more “independent women.”
    Think first, then write. This is new territory for liberals to be attacking a woman on the national stage. Dee Dee Myers has already had her turn. I think we need to reprint her book with the title “Why LIBERAL Women Should Rule The World.”

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  56. Becky says:

    Palin is Pro-Life. She would prefer to die in the delivery room if it meant her child would be born alive. She could NEVER choose DEATH through negligence or through any other more horrific logic. It is you Liberals who only could think this way and project your dastardly thoughts on to Sarah.
    The real reason Sarah chose to tough it out in the true spirit of rugged individualism and travel to Alaska from Texas to have her child, is to make sure that as an Alaskan, her child, would receive the $1600+ given Alaskans each year by the government from their oil revenues. If the child was not born in Alaska, no money, so to get that extra cash that always comes in handy when raising a large family, she went back home to have her child, and any of you women here would have done the same if you keep your family’s best interests in mind. It is called Family Values and Sarah has got it in spades to go through what she had to to think first of her family’s financial well-being and giving it her all to get 11,000 miles back home. It’s an awesome story!

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  57. Good lord says:

    The Harriet Miers of Vice Presidential Picks. Admiral Stockdale in a dress.

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  58. Antoine Terrar says:

    I have to say that Obama gave an awe inspiring speech Thursday night, one that I will certainly remember for the rest of my life, even if he loses. The same is true for millions of other people around the world, even here in Asia.
    This news about Palin…I imagine this will go down in our collective long term memory as just another political event. Mrs. Palin may or may not be qualified for the job but she will no more inspire me or millions of other people around the world than my soccer mom next door neighbor.

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  59. WigWag says:

    Hillary Clinton didn’t convince me to vote for Barack Obama. Neither did Bill Clinton, Al Gore or Barack Obama himself.
    Sarah Palin convinced me to vote for Barack Obama. Obama himself is in this late 40s and healthy. If elected, it is highly likely that he will serve out one (or two) terms. McCain is in him early 70s and has had melanoma. While I pray it won’t happen, there is a reasonably good chance that he will die or become disabled in office.
    As a result, we need to make a comparison of Palin and Obama. As bad as Obama is, there is no comparison. Palin makes Obama look like George Kenan. He is far more capable and he is far more qualified than she is. It was difficult to find a political figure less qualified than Obama to be President, but McCain found one.
    The idea of someone with the qualifications of Palin being President should scare Americans to death. It was frankly an unpatriotic act by McCain to select her. He made the calculation that he would rather select a woman candidate who might give him a tactical advantage in the election (because the Democrats snubbed Hillary) than a candidate who could effectively govern the country should he become disabled or die (which at his age is reasonably likely). This is mind numbingly disgraceful.
    And this supporter of Hillary Clinton finds the selection of Palin, crass. Clinton was smart, highly qualified and capable. The idea that McCain can attract my vote by selecting just any old pro-life Republican woman under the age of 70 is insulting and demeaning. “I’ve met Hillary Clinton, she was a friend of mine, Ms Palin, you’re no Hillary Clinton” (not really but you know what I mean).
    Women are not stupid. The fact that he thinks women will fall for his stunt assures me that McCain has even less respect for women than Obama does.
    Had McCain pulled a Schwartzenager and moved to the center, I could have voted for him. His performance at the Saddlebrook event disabused me of that notion. His selection of Palin is just icing on the cake.
    I think Obama is truly horrible. I think an Obama Presidency will leave this country worse off than it is now. He will make mistake after mistake and he will build a personality cult akin to Reagan’s. You just have to look at the Democratic Convention and that awful stadium event to see it. His liberal internationalist foreign policy will be the functional equivalent to the McCain neo con foreign policy. On the middle east, Russia, Kosovo, Israel/Palestine Obama and McCain will be the same.
    But at the end of the day McCain/Palin is far worse. If Obama is scary, Palin is truly dangerous.
    Can you imagine Sara Palin’s hand on the nuclear button? If McCain is elected and does what people in the 70s do with some frequency (die or become disabled) that’s what we will have.
    I may dislike Obama, but I’m not that stupid. There are very few things that McCain could have done that would have pushed me to vote for Obama, but McCain found one. Her name is Sarah Palin.
    Vote Obama.

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  60. Jeff D says:

    When a pregnant womans water breaks isn’t it like all the embryonic fluid runs out and drenches her? If so, how the hell could Palin have stood there in Texas, soiled, got on the plane, soiled, rode 11 hrs. soiled, and drive fifty, soiled? Ok, she my have had another pair of panties along with her, I’ll grant you that, but still the initial flow of water down the legs and into the high heels had to be very disturbing to say the least. Could she have held the fluid in until she could properly deposit it ? or does it all come in a surprise gush ? I can’t believe that any woman could go on normally in the course of a day after having the trauma of wetting herself and instinctively knowing that her unborn child was about to die if she did not do something immediately. I cannot believe this story.

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  61. Bill says:

    POA said above in so many words that Sarah Palin tried to kill her unborn Downs Syndrome child in the womb by traveling many hours by plane from Texas to Alaska , then driving herself 50 miles home, after knowing she had broken water in Texas. He accuses her negligence, perhaps wanton disregard. Could it be attempted pre-meditated self inflicted abortion which some would call it attempted murder?
    Would somebody who is nicknamed Barracuda do this?
    Methinks she is Evil, but first we need to hear her excuse/defense after a pointed question that insinuates the above.
    How could any woman who cared about the child she was carrying do this unless she was trying to kill it in the womb?

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  62. DonS says:

    Karl “say anything, anytime” Rove, contradicts the “qualifications” for Veep when it applies to Kaine, but not Palin.
    When will the MSM, so-called reporters of fact and analysis, decide they can sell more products by exposing Rove than fellating him?
    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/30/rove-plain-ready/

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  63. stagecoach says:

    Seriously,
    McCain only met her once before!!! Is that how decisions are going to be made by the McCain Presidency!!!!
    Stagecoach

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  64. DonS says:

    Alasks, like many states, has an uneven record in electing worthy politicians. Palin doesn’t rise to the top.
    So, are Rove’s finger prints all over this?

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  65. Paul Norheim says:

    Do I really have to repeat what I just said, Tahoe?
    You`re the one hiding behind your little machine, not yet
    having the courage to say: “I”.
    I`m schizo? I`ve chosen to use my own name and write my own
    comments. Who the hell are you, behind your pasting machine?
    I bet I could recognise the signatures and monikers behind
    almost any regular commentator on this blog just by reading a
    couple of sentences, because they tend to have their own voices
    and opinions, their own thoughts.
    But you, Tahoe, you`re basically a link to someone else.
    You`ve allowed yourself to be a propaganda tool, instead of
    singing with your own voice, using your own brain. You let the
    Weekly Standard and others do the job that you should`ve done
    yourself on this blog.
    At The Washington Note I can discuss with POA, WigWag,
    Kathleen, Carroll, Questions and Sweetness, but it`s rather
    inconvenient to discuss with The Weekly Standard or other
    publications through Tahoe Editor, because Tahoe Editor is just
    a link, and you`ll hide behind your bloody machine and answer
    me with another bloody link.
    Let`s hear your voice, Tahoe!
    Say: “I”.
    Don`t be shy, be full of yourself!
    Better than being a bloody link.

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  66. Tahoe Editor says:

    Who’s the “we” & “us” you keep referring to? Are you that full of yourself?
    Daily Show’s take on Denver: “So Many Dreams To Crush, We Had To Fill A Stadium”

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  67. Paul Norheim says:

    I`m just spamming pop songs, Tahoe.
    Usually I don`t do that; on blogs I prefer to use my own words.
    But this time, I could not resist copying and pasting from John
    Lennon and Paul McCartney.
    Voices?
    What about your voice, Tahoe? Sorry to say this, but I haven`t
    heard it yet. I`ve heard the voice of Weekly Standard and others
    while reading your spam, but never YOUR voice.
    How does it sound?
    You seem to be more comfortable behind your little GOP-
    machine, copying and pasting whatever you may find on the
    web.
    What you`ve found so far is negative, until the Governor of
    Alaska showed up in the news. If you continue to operate your
    spam machine, I hope that you`ll depose more propaganda
    defending Sarah Palin than attacking Barack Obama for the next
    couple of weeks. Just for a change. But I would certainly prefer
    that you used your own voice.

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  68. TonyForesta says:

    This is a hailMary pass from the McCain camp. She seems like a nice lady, but I do not see what this choice adds to the gop ticket, other than Palin being female. Democrats should ignore this choice. Resist, and do not provide any oxygen to the issue on any grounds in any way, under any circumstances. Don’t attack her, don’t recognize her, don’t mention her name. Respond to MSM inquiries, with “Who?”. Imagine she does not exist.
    McCain is the candidate democrats must defeat. Let Palin carry her own wieght, wait for her to make a rookie mistake, and focus on the fascists.
    We’re voting for president, not VP. Democrats must pound into the American psyche the terrible truth, that a vote for McCain, regardless of his VP choice, is a vote for the fascists and the unabated perptetuation of the exact same failed and pernicious, lawless policies of the fascists in the Bush government.

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  69. Tahoe Editor says:

    Tolerating outside voices poses a challenge when you have so many voices inside your head.

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  70. Paul Norheim says:

    OK Tahoe,
    perhaps we may quote some post-Beatles Lennon instead?
    Would you allow us to do that? Anyhow, here it goes:
    “I’m sick and tired of hearing things
    From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites
    All I want is the truth
    Just gimme some truth
    No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of Tricky Dicky
    Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
    With just a pocketful of hope
    Money for dope
    Money for rope
    I’m sick to death of seeing things
    From tight-lipped, condescending, mama’s little chauvinists
    All I want is the truth
    Just gimme some truth now
    I’ve had enough of watching scenes
    Of schizophrenic, ego-centric, paranoiac, prima-donnas
    All I want is the truth now
    Just gimme some truth
    No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of Tricky Dicky
    Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
    With just a pocketful of hope
    It’s money for dope
    Money for rope”

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  71. Tahoe Editor says:

    “Since “WE’RE” quoting from The White Album”? — OK schizo! Back to the program …
    Note the media brainfarts like Jonathan Roberts and Jonathan Alter asking if Palin should be running for office given that she has a baby with Down syndrome.
    HELLO you supposedly liberal freaks — what man should consider himself unfit for office because he has a kid with Down syndrome?! These are the idiots Palin has called “Neanderthals.” If they keep it up, they could create a lot more “independent women.”
    Think first, then write. This is new territory for liberals to be attacking a woman on the national stage. Dee Dee Myers has already had her turn. I think we need to reprint her book with the title “Why LIBERAL Women Should Rule The World.”

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  72. Paul Norheim says:

    Since we`re quoting from The White Album, perhaps these lines
    are even more appropriate, regardless of who`s gonna be the
    happy winner in November:
    “Been away so long I hardly knew the place
    Gee it’s good to be back home
    Leave it till tomorrow to unpack my case
    Honey disconnect the phone
    I’m back in the U.S.S.R.
    You don’t know how lucky you are boy
    Back in the U.S.
    Back in the U.S.
    Back in the U.S.S.R.
    Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
    They leave the West behind
    And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
    That Georgia’s always on my my my my my my my mind.”
    Strange how the meaning of old songs change over time…

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  73. Paul Norheim says:

    Wow!
    Tahoe`s spamming machine is accelerating, fueled by pure and
    ecstatic joy. Who said that machines lack emotions? Give a GOP-
    machine an elk hunting mommy and Governor of Alaska, and it
    will run non-stop for weeks:
    “Happiness is a warm gun
    (Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
    Happiness is a warm gun, momma
    (Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
    When I hold you in my arms
    (Ooooooooohhh, oh yeah!)
    And when I feel my finger on your trigger
    I know nobody can do me no harm
    Because happiness is a warm gun, momma
    (Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
    Happiness is a warm gun
    (Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
    -Yes it is, it’s a warm gun!
    (Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
    Happiness is a warm, yes it is…”
    (Lennon/McCartney)
    A refreshing change for the readers of The Washington Note.
    After several months with constant Obama bashing, the familiar
    sound of Tahoe`s machine was becoming a bit – well… to avoid
    ad machinem attacks here, i`ll just say: monotonous.

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  74. Tahoe Editor says:

    Rebecca Traister for SALON/broadsheet:
    Welcome to the 2008 presidential race, folks, where history gets made about as prettily as sausage.
    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s selection for the No. 2 spot on the GOP ticket presents this forehead-smacking reality: Come January 2009, this country will have either a black president or a female vice president.
    Even among more reasonable Democrats, the Palin pick does create worries for the still-tender party, not the least of which is that it will reopen a debate about whether Barack Obama should have picked a female vice president, or more specifically, Hillary Clinton.
    The selection of Palin makes it easier to see what the advantages of putting a woman on the Democratic ticket might have been for Obama. McCain likely tapped Palin specifically to battle Obama’s perceived woman problem, and her selection blunts the Obama camp’s argument that McCain has entirely lost his maverick edge. It also keeps Obama’s from being the only history-making candidacy in the voting booth.
    If the Palin selection brings female voters to the McCain camp, there is likely to be a round of second-guessing about whether Obama read the tea leaves wrong and missed an opportunity to shore up his divided party more effectively by going with, or at least seriously considering, Clinton.
    Palin’s spot on the ticket will also mean the diffusion of feminist energy. Those who monitor gender bias in popular culture and the media are still icing their heads after the exhausting season of Clinton-baiting by the press. Now there will also be Sarah Palin to consider, a candidate who represents none of what they believe in, but whose nomination is already highlighting the fact that the Clinton candidacy apparently taught the news media nothing.

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  75. Tahoe Editor says:

    FRED BARNES: A rule of thumb in politics is that you win more votes by energizing your base than by persuading undecided voters. Mr. McCain’s strength is wooing undecided independents, moderates and soft Democrats. He’s weaker with conservatives. He often seems inclined to ignore them. Now he has a running mate who can take up the slack.

    There are lots of women in the base.

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  76. Tahoe Editor says:

    Weekly Standard: What Palin Does
    1. Steps on the story of Obama’s speech (and convention), and possibly the bounce coming from them, and wipes them off the news cycle. The Sunday news shows will be all-Palin, all of the time.
    2. Sends Republicans into their convention on a huge head of steam.
    3. Wipes out the image of McCain as the crotchety elder and brings back that of the fly-boy and gambler, which is much more appealing, and the genuine person.
    4. Revs up the base AND excites independents, which no one else in the party, or perhaps in the world, could have accomplished.
    5. Puts youth, change, and history on both of the tickets.
    6. May detach some young people, especially women.
    7. May attach some women pissed off about Hillary.
    8. As a pro-life super-achiever, puts feminists in a tizzy.
    9. Revives some of the double-edged nature of the Democratic primary, which featured a black vs. a female trail-blazer, and put both sides on notice on sensitivity issues. Democrats used to raising charges of racism against Obama’s critics may face charges of sexism and/or condescension if they try to diss her.
    10. Steps on Obama’s claims to have been a reformer, as he reformed nothing (much less the corrupt mare’s nest of Chicago arrangements), while she was a dragon-slayer up in Alaska.
    11. As a mother of five, one a Down syndrome baby, helps her side take on the Democrats on abortion extremism and the Born Alive bill.
    12. Reignites the deep and unhealed stresses inside the Democrats, some of whom will now wonder more loudly than ever why they didn’t pick Hillary.
    13. Counters Michelle in a way Cindy couldn’t.
    14. Counter-intuitively, makes the issue of Obama’s light resume more potent than ever. Her lack of experience is no more than his is. And he’s — to use a term from Alaska, and the Iditarod — their lead dog.

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  77. Tahoe Editor says:

    NYT Editorial:
    The McCain campaign is eagerly citing Governor Palin’s appeal to Christian conservatives, as a Christian and mother of five whose oldest son is in the Army and will leave for Iraq on Sept. 11. “She’s exactly who I need,” said Mr. McCain, a Capitol insider who is trying to make the case that he can shake up Washington as president.
    Governor Palin’s biography — from union member to “hockey mom,” from gun enthusiast to ethics scourge — will play out in the campaign. That campaign should be a little more intriguing now that it includes the unexpected voice of a woman on the Republican ticket.

    That’s not going to sell to American voters?
    Nobody expects the women who supported Hillary to vote for McCain because Palin is on the ticket. They expect a lot of independent & conservative women who never would have voted for a Democrat will vote for McCain because Palin is on the ticket. Get it?

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  78. varanassi says:

    you read it here first:
    i predict that mccain will take a mulligan on this pick. after all, the ill considered, hasty, rash old man deserves a do-over, right?
    you know, when i was a kid i worked at a local pizza joint and the owner insisted on interviewing me IN PERSON before allowing me to knead dough.
    unfuckingbelievable.

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  79. Tahoe Editor says:

    Calling Palin a lightweight hurts the Democratic nominee. She is the executive of one of the states of the union and has been clearly focused on making lots of change and doing lots of governing — not talking about lots of change and doing little of anything but campaigning (no committee hearings).
    Defining Palin as a lightweight knocks Obama down to lightweight-lite, “his time as a community organizer” being the “three most fulfilling months of his life”.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/29/opinion/29brooks.html?em
    McCain may not know Palin well, but he knows what she has done and what she wants to do. They are intergenerational political soul mates, and he can use her as a rising leader to put his stamp on the GOP brand.
    What’s the shelf life on “That’s Not Change!” now?

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  80. varanassi says:

    well, i never thought that i’d agree with POA, but i do.
    this “nomination” is COMPLETELY insane!
    obviously, some kind of fix is in. who the fuck knows what led to this “decision,” but it must be a twisted, ill conceived pipe dream.
    i have NEVER had such a negatively visceral reaction to ANY political nomination IN MY LIFE!!!
    at times like this i can only shake my head and marvel at the prescience of the adage, “truth is stranger than fiction.”
    how true. how true.
    God help the United States of America

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  81. Kate says:

    I read on CNN a little while ago that McCain had met Palin only once in Feb 2008 and had not talked with her again until last Sunday. She flew out to Arizona on Wednesday and they met for the second time. How the hell does a presidential candidate select someone as a VP after meeting them twice in six months? And not talking to them in six months??? What the hell kind of judgement is that?

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  82. Tahoe Editor says:

    I’ve been looking for a third party. Bull Moose sounds as good as any else this year. The Sierra Club has conservative roots and runs programs for Army kids. There’s lots of overlap there. Come on — someone try to find something to make me really hate Sarah. Surely you can do better than this.

    The Biden Brigade, charging in with Wesley Clark without their preconditions, led by a Foggy Bottom Policy of asking ALL sides to “show restraint”. But there will be no appeasement.

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  83. Mr.Murder says:

    Let’s see, her state has three Army posts, three Air Force fields, borders two other super powers, maintains most of the oil infrastructure for the western US, and has a guard detachment that she is commander in chief of as Governor and it has been deployed in our wars.
    Who better to understand the kind of support we need for the trans Caspain issues? Who else has dealt with issues detailing military persons stationed over a broad area for a realtively narrow populace sector? That’s right, the lighter smaller model of peacekeeping needs someone who has taken to task the kind of logistics her state has.
    Oh, she won a state title in Basketball, too. How many did Barack get, since he likes to shoot hoops at military facilities and during political conventions?

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  84. Carroll says:

    I think all this angst over ‘experience’ is funny.
    Probably 9 out of ten regular readers on TWN are certain they could do a better job running the country than any of the candidates could.
    I know I could do a better job! LOL

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  85. digdug says:

    I doubt very much if Palin will draw many female votes McCain wasn’t already going to get.
    Most Hillary supporters are not going to go for her. In fact, many will likely feel insulted that McCain judges them so shallow as to abandon all their causes simply because Palin is a woman.
    As well, this may motivate many disenchanted Hillary supporters to work harder for Obama. I doubt very much they will want to see such a lightweight like Palin break the glass ceiling that a heavyweight like Hillary didn’t. They will feel she is unworthy and hasn’t earned it, on top of Palin being diametrically opposed to their entire slate of concerns. They may be resentful of Obama’s success, some may feel he’s too young and unworthy, but he and Joe Biden are absolute stalwarts for the causes they fight for.
    This is on top of her corruption baggage, and extremist views on social issues like abortion (she opposes them even in cases of rape).
    The press will play up the PUMAs relentlessly of course. They are an absolutely microscopic population, but they will get a lot of press attention as they proclaim their devotion to McCain/Palin. It makes for simple, easy news stories to prop up McCain, which is what most of the major networks and media outlets like AP are now doing.
    This shores up McCain’s evangelical support. It lets his base (the press) continue the essentially false mythologizing of him as being a maverick and iconoclast. That’s the only real positives.
    The negatives are vast.

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  86. Tahoe Editor says:

    The hockey moms.
    And she’ll be very popular in Nevada for sure.

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  87. Mr.Murder says:

    She is hunting down the Bull Moose Party. This is someone who can actually claim some of that reform heritage.
    Teddy Roosevelt was an avid hunter as well.
    He was more of a conservationist, though he was still a conservative brand.
    Me likey the pick.
    Much remains to be seen, which candidate will actually campaign on issues the track along the views of most Americans. This doesn’t include social issues(she’s actually been progressive on some lifestyle laws in her own state).
    Just because she’s not in favor of abortion doesn’t mean she would hold every person to that same belief. The reactionaries have already started, most Americans know this issue is moot after the 109th Congress did nothing when they had a Republican President.
    They were too thankful that the Biden brigade bent over for the judicial nominations. Talk about a Neville Chamberlain depth of retreat…
    Hair Plugs in our time!

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  88. Carroll says:

    Personally I don’t want to vote for O-B or McC-P. But I can tell you Palin will appeal to a lot of Southern women…the religious ones and the country women and NASCAR girls crowd…so I wouldn’t be so quick to discount this move.

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  89. Tahoe Editor says:

    I’ll 2nd that.
    Paul, you’re already talking about Palin’s experience and Obama’s lack of it. There’s lots of feet being shot at right now.
    “Obama’s experience is selling himself. Palin’s experience is governing.” — absolutely believable; it’s the truth.
    Obama already took the lead for his campaign in getting burned with his attacks on small-town America. That the line is being recycled says a lot about the Dems’ supposed superior “judgment”.

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  90. Carroll says:

    Posted by KR Aug 30, 12:03AM – Link
    But politically, it’s Palin’s apparent sense of justice (or twisted act of retribution via her henchmen) that concerns me most. By obsessively pressing for the firing her brother-in-law, then firing the respected Police Chief of Anchorage, when he refused to do so, Palin revealed that the only change that she’ll likely ‘create’ in DC, is another round of US Attorney firings towards her insane political agenda.”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    According to all reports the trooper she or her staff had fired used a tazer on his son and was abusive to his wife…which probably means he was physically abusing both of them and had been for quite a while, hence the divorce proceedings. The trooper also threatened to kill the father in law if he intervened.
    Considering all that I would have had him fired too. And if there was a Police chief who was covering for the guy and wouldn’t fire that kind of trooper then I would have fired the police chief also. The fact that she was a governor at the time shouod not be a factor…if you are in public office or related to some sob/criminal you can’t do anything about it? That’s stupid. If it had been someone else’s sister or whatever I am sure those involved would have also tried to do something about the guy, especially in light of his being on the police force….having a tazer, gun and being known to be abusive.
    I don’t think this trooper flap is going to be a winner for the dems because most women are going to think both the guy and his police chief got what they deserved.

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  91. susan says:

    “…what would motivate a woman to embark on such a journey immediately after having her water break?”
    The kind of woman who heads into the Alaskan wilderness to shoot moose, and then skins, butchers and eats them.
    Personally, I think she sounds downright terrifying, but what do I know? When my water broke, I howled like a banshee and begged Flight for Life to come and get me ;>)

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  92. KR says:

    A gun-toting ethically-challenged anti-science creationist that actually looks good in a skirt? I look, but then I never thought Britney Spears would turn me off.
    Sexist?
    Well imo, the Presidency is clearly driven by image; and to be honest, McCain’s age needed either a serious face-lift (skin grafts) or someone else to divert and sooth our eyes.
    Actually, I think that the DEMs can ALSO attack Palin’s apparent ignorance towards science and education! I’d like to know whether she thinks the bible belongs in the science classroom, among other issues.
    But politically, it’s Palin’s apparent sense of justice (or twisted act of retribution via her henchmen) that concerns me most. By obsessively pressing for the firing her brother-in-law, then firing the respected Police Chief of Anchorage, when he refused to do so, Palin revealed that the only change that she’ll likely ‘create’ in DC, is another round of US Attorney firings towards her insane political agenda.
    In fact, it’s not an accident that Palin shares the same absense of FP and NS experiences, rightwing convictions, retributive ethics and corrupted values with George W. Bush, than with John McCain!!!
    She may be a popular Governor, but she’s mostly GW in a skirt! OMG!!
    Perhaps Guiliani can, but Palin’s not ready to be C-in-C, and she PROMISES exercise ‘more of the same’ dangerous policies that America has suffered during the last 8 years under GW and the neocons!

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  93. PissedOffAmerican says:

    I wonder, do all mediocre fighter pilots dream of the Presidency on their parachute ride down to their captors?
    I’ve said it before, and I’m not sorry to say it again. If you’re gonna shove an ex-fighter pilot into the White House, can’t you at least give us someone that exhibited the skill to dodge the SAMs?
    ‘Course, Kennedy lost a PT-boat, and George SR got shot out of the sky too. Then there’s Kerry. Wasn’t he a bit inept at dodging enemy fire as well?
    Hey, maybe I’m onto something. Wanna be Pres? Join the service and get shot down, sunk, or be too slow to dodge a bullet.
    One things is for sure, with Palin in the West Wing, it’ll be alot less tempting to sneak Gannon in at three in the morning.
    http://www.politicalbull.net/mccain_and_palin_in_2008.html
    And for those crucial meetings with foreign heads of state, how about a rendevous in Wasilla, where Palin cut her political eyeteeth? The “Mug Shot Saloon” should do quite nicely, and if she schedules her important summit meetings carefully, she might even be able to work them into Happy Hour.
    http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/what-is-mccain-thinking-one-alaskans-perspective/

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  94. PissedOffAmerican says:

    BTW, its irrelevant, but looking at two of the pictures of her at TPMuckraker, I would swear she is either blind in one eye, or has a lazy eye.
    She is definitely an attractive woman, and blindness or a lazy eye in no way detracts from that, or is relevant to her candidacy. It just caught my attention, and I’m curious if its just the photography.

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  95. carsick says:

    Tahoe
    If John McCain were to unfortunately die between now and the election, would Governor Palin even have been on your list of top 25 potential replacements before today?
    And please realize that lying is unbecoming.

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  96. Paul Norheim says:

    We`ll see what Tahoe will do during the GOP convention – praise
    Palin and her experience, or blame Obama for his lack of it.
    Quote:”Obama’s experience is selling himself. Palin’s experience
    is governing.”
    Unbelievable!

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  97. carsick says:

    These are perilous times on many fronts from the economy to terrorism to Russia. McCain just spit in our faces as he works to appease the oil industry and evangelicals at the same time.
    I’m usually fairly measured when I write but this choice is outlandish. McCain is certainly putting his possible election before the interests of the country. It is especially irritating after the charges he has thrown against Sen. Obama over Obama’s alleged upside down priorities and inexperience. It was bad enough that he has used his POW status as a shield to hide but now he has just chosen a candidate who feels it important to pimp out her son’s coming deployment in her introductory speech.
    He has lost the last thread of respect and honor he had spent years building.

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  98. PissedOffAmerican says:

    ROFLMAO!!!
    Tahoe is so predictable he should just take a breather, and let Paul or I post for him.

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  99. Tahoe Editor says:

    Attacking small towns is another loser. Not all American leaders come from City Slicker backgrounds; cf The Man From Abilene.
    Attack her for being from a small town; attack her for not giving birth as you would; attack her leadership & executive experience — either way you cut it, it’s more than Obama’s.
    Obama’s nomination is an statement from the Democratic Party that “experience doesn’t matter” — it’s “judgment” that matters, which BO somehow possesses because he gave a speech in 2002. Denver’s message is experience doesn’t matter. So Dems saying Palin doesn’t have enough experience is a truly loony and disjointed quasi-message.

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  100. Tahoe Editor says:

    Interestingly written on the Fourth of July. Barack has said 1,000 times “I’m happy to have that debate, anywhere, anytime” — “anytime” being July 4th or let’s just wait till the fall so I can have some time to figure out what the hell I’m doing.

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  101. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Ok, so if you follow Good Grief’s link to…
    http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/
    …you find, among other things, a little blurb about how she was galivanting all over the homeland during the late months of her pregnancy. Her water breaks in Dallas, she gets on an airplane, flies back to Alaska, then drives fifty miles. (According to the blurb)
    Now, carrying a child she knows has downs, and in her early forties, what would motivate a woman to embark on such a journey immediately after having her water break? Look folks, a woman of sound judgement, who truly wants the child she is carrying, does not “pass go” on her way to the hospital after her water breaks. So, either this woman is far less “pro-life” than she wants us to believe, or she exhibited an extremely callous disregard for the safety of this unborn child. (If in fact the link is accurate in its relation of events)
    And this “trooper gate” thing could definitely get embarrassing for her and McCain…..
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/
    Personally, I think picking Palin was an act of desperation for the GOP. It is intended to lasso the disaffected Clinton women, add the gender thing to trump Obama’s race thing, and capitalize on the “energy independence” horseshit that these posturing lyin’ pieces of shit think we are ignorant enough to buy into.
    In reality, it really goes to show how little true regard these monsters feel for the welfare of our nation. At 72, having had combatted a number of serious health ailments, not the least being a bout with melanoma, McCain has a high odds chance, comparitively, of dying on us. Therefore, any VP nominee needs to be looked at as having a SERIOUS chance of ascending to the Presidency.
    Now, are we really to believe this woman is Presidential material? I live in a small town, and its bigger than the town she was Mayor of. I guarantee you I’ve shot more elk than she’ll shoot in her lifetime, and I was fishing the Selway for steelhead and salmon before she was born. I also once held a lifetime membership to the NRA, before that wackjob Heston tried to convince me a had a need for armor piercing ammunition, and so embarrassed me that I quit the organization.
    So, does the above qualify me to be Pres? VP? Dogcatcher? Well, seemingly, listening to these assholes like Hannity or Ingraham, the fact that she’s a modern day Annie Oakley/Pocahontas makes her infinitely qualified to pick up the Nuclear Football should poor McCain gag to death on a viagra pill.
    Egads, you just can’t make this shit up. What a fuckin’ joke.
    Washington…..
    Toon Town.

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  102. Dumass says:

    “… As for that VP talk all the time, I tell you I still can’t answer that question until someone answers, for me, what exactly is it that the VP does every day?” – Gov. Sarah Palin.
    I’m not exactly sure why some commentators are having issues with this statement, it makes absolute sense to me. I’m assuming that this was an answer in response to a question re her interest in the VP slot. She’s clearly saying that it depends on what role the presidential nominee has in mind for his VP – attendance at funerals, she’ll pass; more substantive role, she’s intetrested. Other than presiding over the Senate, the rest of what a VP is allowed to do is up to the President

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  103. peppermint patty says:

    is it possible that Palin was completely groomed? Is she a test tube
    creation of the Republican machine? There’s something very
    Stepford about this story.

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  104. Tahoe Editor says:

    Good effort. But Obama’s experience is selling himself. Palin’s experience is governing. Compare, contrast, compare, contrast.
    If I’m reaching by saying Dems’ attacks on her experience point to their nominee, then there’s a lot of reaching going on in the MSM & elsewhere right about now.

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  105. DonS says:

    Tahoe saying “boomerangs right back on BO.” three times doesn’t make it so. Really reaching.

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  106. Dan Kervick says:

    Obama has been in the public eye for four years. He has run a grueling 21 month campaign, that included 22 nationally televised debates. He has headed a massive national campaign organization and won against the best the Democrats had to offer, including the deep national political machine of a former two-term president, and his New York Senator wife. That team just carried off a brilliantly executed convention. During this time he has had to respond during several international crises. So while concerns about his experience are still legitimate, the country has had a long, extended period to take his measure and pass judgment on him, and they appear to have decided that they like what they see.
    The Republicans have given the US public just over two months to figure out whether Sarah Palin is qualified to be the backup to a 72 year old president.

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  107. Tahoe Editor says:

    “As a citizen, I’m scared to death. I want to hide under the covers and send John McCain vitamins.” �Paul Begala
    If the Dems keep this up they’ll get derailed. Paul Begala is scared to death of Sarah Palin in the White House because her “inexperience” can’t handle “these incredibly dangerous times.”
    That kind of fear mongering boomerangs right back on BO. Enjoy writing from the wilderness about Republican fascism for four more years.
    Gloria Borger FinallyTalks Some Sense: “In the end, it depends on the person at the top of the ticket. And I still maintain that’s the case.”

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  108. via says:

    She is the Harriett Miers of Veepdom.
    Jesus, these people will do anything to continue their plunder of this country and avoid serious scrutiny of the crimes that Bush and Cheney have committed during the past 7 years. Rove and the neocons will have their new puppet in place when McCain is out of the picture.

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  109. Tahoe Editor says:

    IF Palin=unserious,
    THEN Obama=farcical.
    You can’t stop that boomerang. So keep calling her unserious.

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  110. DonS says:

    Dan, exactly right on the Palin set up. Can we even imagine the visual and not be disturbed?

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  111. Tahoe Editor says:

    This Wooten guy doesn’t sound like someone the average American would want carrying a badge and government-issued firearms — no matter who his ex-sister-in-law is. If Monegan doesn’t get that, he should look for another job.
    Sarah Palin, Christian Mother Of Four, Wants to Protect Americans From Abusive Cops. Total scandal. This story has no legs.

    “The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession,” Col. Julia Grimes, then head of Alaska State Troopers, wrote in March 1, 2006, letter suspending Wooten for 10 days. After the union protested it, the suspension was reduced to five days.
    • Wooten used a Taser on his stepson.
    • He illegally shot a moose.
    • He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion.
    • He told others his father-in-law would “eat a f’ing lead bullet” if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce.

    RE: Experience. Palin has more than Obama. Vote for Obama, and get a president whose biggest accomplishment is running for president. Vote for McCain, and there’s a chance that sometime during his administration, we’d get the first woman president who also happens to have more experience than Obama.
    Keep talking about Palin’s so-called inexperience — it just points back to the top of the Dem ticket.

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  112. DonS says:

    Tahoe. Keep digging deep. You are so far off the wall, I wouldn’tbe surprised if your “friend” Steve will at some point disavow you.
    Palin = unserious. Truly trivializing politics, as if one imagined it could be trivialized even further.

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  113. Dan Kervick says:

    Palin is a very likable and admirable person. She’s a mother of five who has worked her way up form the PTA to the governorship of a large male-dominated state. I just got home from the opening game of my son’s soccer season – they lost 2-1 – and Palin seems like someone who would be a great person to talk to on the sidelines with the other parents. I suspect I would like her a lot as a person, despite our political differences.
    I feel bad for her, because it looks like John McCain is cynically using Palin as a prop and as bait, and has exposed her to some tough going that she doesn’t appear to have sought eagerly. And especially given his age, its a very irresponsible pick. Does John McCain think he is going to live forever?
    There is nothing inappropriate about addressing the age factor directly with McCain, and I don’t buy the idea that this is somehow offensive to older Americans. A lot of older Americans I know have done things like buy cemetery plots and funeral insurance, along with many other things to provide for the people who survive them. That is, they have a mature and responsible attitude toward their own mortality, an plan accordingly. There is nothing at all wrong with John McCain running for president if his health is good and he believes he’s up to the job. But he owes Americans a sensible VP pick that provides well for the country in the event that he doesn’t make it though his term.

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  114. Franklin says:

    This ethics scandal that’s ongoing in Alaska should provide a nice side-show to the Fall election season.
    The big issue with troopergate isn’t just the guy who was fired (her one-time brother-in-law) — it’s the fact that she fired her brother-in-law’s boss, because he refused to get involved in a family squabble.
    Nice little abuse of power issue. Sounds like Palin would have been a perfect fit for Gonzo’s DOJ.

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  115. Tahoe Editor says:

    MEMO TO TEAM OBAMA:
    Please keep talking about Sarah Palin’s inexperience in foreign affairs.
    By reason of just her work with Canada, she’s light years ahead Obama.

    The trooper in question was involved in domestic abuse. What a scandal — getting a bad cop off the dole.
    The bottom of the GOP ticket has more experience than the top of the Dem ticket.
    William Kristol et. al. have been pushing hard for Sarah “Darling Of The Conservatives” Palin for months. They must be thrilled to have a history-making candidate with a record of reform. And change. Oh, and hope. The Talking Radio Heads in Nevada are already saying all the Ron Paul people — and there are a lot of them here — will fall for her. Probably more than the No. 1 and No. 3 Most Liberal Senators.
    Dick Morris was right: If the Dems’ strategy is Bush=McCain, they can expect to see Barack Obama holding his first Senate hearing this fall.
    Palin is a Christian who presumably is still on speaking terms with her pastor, and one of her five children is leaving for Iraq next month. Checkmate.
    Here’s to hoping Hillary knocks Harry Reid off his high horse.

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  116. Don Bacons says:

    Steve,
    Thanks for being an adult on this and not going absolutely bonkers like so much of the rest of the Dem blogosphere.
    Can you believe it: Many people who detest politicians are now putting Palin down for her lack of political experience! Duh. Some might say that it’s a plus.

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  117. BrigN. says:

    In response to What Grief is Good: What I said/wrote is that I thought up to now that McCain believed to act in the national interest. I never supported McCain and his policies in the past nor would I today. The point was that I am now sure that even he himself does no longer b e l i e v e that the national interest comes first. He obviously wants nothing more than win the presidency–regardless what. For a 72-year old man with health problems it is inconceivable to select a person like Sarah Polin to be the second in line.
    Just as disturbing is that the Republican leaders are thrilled about McCain’s choice.

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  118. What Grief Is Good? says:

    Here’s some info on Palin from in-the- know people in her home
    state of Alaska:
    http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/
    Here’s an article on Palin and Feminists for Life
    http://tinyurl.com/5pu2pn

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  119. questions says:

    MarkL, Here’s a link to a newspaper article about the issue.
    http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html
    Do you understand what “modest support for allowing discussion of creationism in the classroom” means? Do you think a science teacher should allow time for, say, the theory that all life comes from pasta? (There’s a book about this one! Flying Spaghetti Monsters)
    She first landed on “teach both” and then backed down under fire to “when it comes up, discuss it”.
    What “theory” means in science is NOT what “theory” means in the vernacular. There is no “theory of creationism”, there is no controversy in biology. She seems to advocate the FALSE notion that evolution is a “theory” in the common understanding of the word. It is a “theory” in the scientific sense. Translation, she’s really scientifically ignorant.
    I don’t see any way for someone to hold the view that evolution is correct and still maintain that science classes should include discussions of something as non-science as creationism and intelligent design. So in my book, she’s a creationist.

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  120. What Grief Is Good? says:

    Well, I could have disabused you Brig N about your first notion
    i.e., that McCain had the national interest in mind and heart.
    I grew-up with that loser, John McCain, as my representative.
    He is a horribly tempered beast and according to his own
    account in a 1973 article penned for U.S. News & World Report,
    he traded information to the Viet Cong in return for medical
    treatment, yet now he can’t open his damn mouth without
    mentioning that he was a POW.
    There have been thousands of POWs in the history of the U.S. –
    – what makes McCain, a self-avowed traitor, more qualified to
    run for president than the rest of them?
    And in terms of Palin’s commitment to motherhood — I read
    this AM that she was back at her office three days after giving
    birth to the son with Down’s Syndrome.
    The Fundies are hypocrites (as are many liberals) — they see
    what they want to see, and believe what they want to. They are
    vehemently against abortion but are virulently pro-war. Go
    figure.
    War kills children who are wanted, abortion kills children who
    aren’t, but the former is “good” and the latter “goes against the
    teachings of the Bible.” And (in case you didn’t get this from
    that last example) the Fundies are also pretty dumb.
    To their credit, many of the Fundies who frequent the Fundie
    sites were not going to vote for McCain because of the abortion
    issue, although they were thrilled with his support of Israel. But
    with Palin on board, with the non-aborted, mentally disabled
    child (regardless of whether she actually sees much of him)
    they’ll come out to the polls in droves.

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  121. SteveM says:

    I’m just stunned. The only thing that comes to mind is “Trophy Veep”.

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  122. BrigN. says:

    Up to today, I believed that Senator McCain believed deeply that he had the national interest foremost in his mind and heart.
    His choice of Gov. Polin convinces me otherwise.
    To select a woman simply because of her gender without regard of her non-existent qualification for the highest job in the land, cannot be excused–particularly not by a 72-year old contender with past health problems who has to figure that it is quite possible for his vice-president (assuming he is elected) will step into the presidency.
    So far I have not seen or heard anyone point out that Alaska is the 48th state in terms of population–less than 700,000 and about half of the county I live in.
    Two years as the governor of a tiny state in term of populace, being a mother of five children,a moose hunter, a live-long member of the NRA does not qualify anyone to be chief executive of a nation of 300 million or commander-in-chief.
    If the electorate does not recognize this, God help us.

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  123. What Grief Is Good? says:

    I read some right-wing blogs, Lucianne and Free Republic, just
    to see what the wing nuts are up to.
    The traffic on Free Republic has gone way down in the last year,
    and has lessened considerably after McCain got the presumptive
    nomination. The Fundies just didn’t trust McCain after his
    “agents of intolerance” statement and his 1999 admission that if
    his daughter got pregnant it would be a family decision whether
    she had an abortion.
    After the choice of Palin, the “Freepers” as they call themselves
    over at Free Republic, are all atwitter with excitement. This is an
    immensely popular site that was partially responsible for Kerry’s
    swift boating. Lucianne Goldberg of Lucianne.com, was
    infamously responsible for Linda Tripp persuading Lewinsky to
    not dry clean the blue dress.
    The Fundies like Palin. She’s one of them, but also has the
    Eskimo husband, balls of steel, hard-working feminist
    background, to win over the so-called liberal PUMAs who
    Obama supposedly abandoned by not choosing Hitlery.
    Palin’s young and wow, but conservative, but kind of Phyllis
    Schafely (sp?) feminist, but a mother, but a beauty queen, but a
    “maverick” but pro-life, but much more authentically “Christian”
    than McInsane, who claims he belongs to a Baptist church that
    even his pastor there denies.
    Palin’s the Fundies new It Girl, and trust me that they are stupid
    enough to use this as an excuse to vote for McSame. A lot of
    them seemed like they were honestly not going to bother to
    vote, because there was no enthusiasm for McCain, but now I
    think that they will.
    In the meantime, Obama is stuck with “Georgia on my mind,
    Israel in my heart” Biden.

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  124. questions says:

    MarkL, I said “mommy image issue” — I think that should be clear, but if not I’ll explain. If you have a kid–not a kid, a newborn actually — with significant developmental issues, and you campaign as a traditionalist, family values kind of woman, and you spend a decent chunk of the baby’s first year traveling heavily defending those family values, you MIGHT just start to look a little less traditional.
    I did not at all say that one with a handicapped job should NOT be allowed to hold a challenging job. If you read things more carefully, it would be nice!
    I’ll get back to you on the creationism thing — I’ve seen it in enough places that it seems to be legit, but who knows.

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  125. questions says:

    Here’s a possible start at the vetting process. I couldn’t possibly evaluate this — Alaska is well beyond my experience.
    http://www.andrewhalcro.com/shadow_governor
    Link straight from a kos diary.

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  126. Tabitha says:

    Assuming she is qualified. We have a HUGE pending conflict of interest or just lack of understanding of what is required of the VP of the US of A. Last time I heard,this is the real working position. What conservative family values person, accepts a 100% travel assignment where only your presence is absolutely required to do the job.We know that the day will come when the person will have to choose between what the world needs right now and what that small child needs right then. When the needs of a “special needs child”, a 4 month old and a child under 10 years old is in the heart ;and the spouse is out at sea on his traveling job, where is her heart, judgement, accountability and priority going to be ? How does someone make this type of choice? Is this the right person for the job at this point in time? If it were your company would you hire her? It is your country,will you elect her? Let alone allow her to be the second in command with the precious responsiblity she has with her family. This is not the type of situation that allows the stay home comfort of a mayor or a governer, or a job you quit with minor repurcussions like an actor or CEO etc. This is serious right now business. I hear that she is conservative but is that really true? Who is this person and where are her family value priorities?
    Bewildered in VA,
    A mother of 4; Retired Marine; Republican; Executive
    Unsure McCain support

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  127. MarkL says:

    Questions,
    Palin is not a creationist, AFAIK.
    Please provide a link.
    She has expressed modest support for allowing discussion of creationism in the classroom, but that is not the same thing as believing the doctrine, or believing it should be part of the curriculum.
    And what exactly is your point about the baby with Downs’ syndrome? Is it that one with a handicapped child should be allowed to hold a challenging job?
    Please explain.

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  128. questions says:

    I think before we get into the chess/checkers image, though it’s pretty powerful, we should give the public some vetting time. Palin’s got corruption issues with troopergate and (a kos-reported) land deal, she’s got a mommy image issue what with campaigning with a 5 month old baby with Downs, she’s got 18 months as gov of a small state, she signed (kos-reported) a whopping big windfall profits tax for oil companies. Who knows what’ll come up, and who knows how it’ll play out.
    My question is, how many people were unable to bring themselves to vote for a woman who now can bring themselves to vote for a black man and vice versa. The election could be determined based on the relative sizes of those crowds. If Rove is involved, he probably counted every vote and figured she has it over the race issue.
    Also, will the media “darling” her, or point out that she really has no policy developed to deal with international and many national issues.
    How many people will be relieved that she’s not likely to out-Cheney Cheney? The veep slot shrivels up like a raisin under Palin.
    On the other hand, her hubby is an oil man.
    What percentage of the country is convinced by creationism?
    A lot of factors to play around with.
    When a baseball game is suddenly tied, the announcers call out, “It’s a new game” and I’m guessing that that’s suddenly where we are. A very different set of issues for the ads, a different dynamic among the players. Get me rewrite!

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  129. MarkL says:

    Steve,
    McCain is playing a gambit by choosing someone who, though attractive and articulate, has a thin resume.
    He is expecting attacks on her gender, which will cost Obama woman voters, and attacks on her lack of experience, which will only highlight the more severe problem the Democrats have in that regard.
    At least this pick is going to make the race interesting.

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  130. independent voter says:

    I was on the fence but I cannot think of a more scary thought than a commander in chief Palin someone who has even less experience than Obama.

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  131. What Grief Is Good? says:

    I think Palin’s fifth child, the little boy with Down’s Syndrome,
    was born in April, so he wouldn’t have been alive in Feb.
    Her older son, who is her oldest child, is scheduled to be
    deployed to Iraq on Sept. 11 — wonder who worked that
    convenient miracle of patriotic scheduling out? Surely not the
    Bush administration…
    Palin’s husband is an Eskimo.
    I actually think that McCain (or rather Rove) made a brilliant
    choice — the right-wing blogs are going ga-ga- over Palin,
    with many posters mentioning what a “hottie” she is. I’ve already
    seen a picture of her that makes her look like one of those
    strippers who are employed at stag parties. The ones who
    start-out dressing like the hot, bookworm secretary and end up
    shedding everything, including their glasses.
    Native American husband, son about to be deployed, “hottie”,
    mom of five kids, one who she refused to abort knowing it had
    Down’s, phantom fighter against corruption, frontier gal.
    Rove has rallied the base, and all those who didn’t think that
    McInsane was fundie enough are now on board.
    Palin couldn’t get more outside the beltway. Meanwhile dumb,
    way too cautious, Obama, picks the ultimate, pro-war, “I am a
    Zionist”, let’s restart the Cold War, Biden, in one fell swoop
    losing his antiwar base.
    McCain just might win this one, without the help of the GOP
    controlled “voting machines.” Yet again the Democrats prove
    themselves too stupid and timid to play hard ball.
    As someone on one of the right-wing sites said after the
    announcement of Palin as McCain’s VP choice, “The Democrats
    play checkers, the Republicans play chess.”

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  132. Greg P says:

    Everybody should watch this video clip, from an appearance Sarah Palin made on Larry Kudlow’s show on CNBC less than a month ago:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pak-rH0dCeA
    “… As for that VP talk all the time, I tell you I still can’t answer that question until someone answers, for me, what exactly is it that the VP does every day?” – Gov. Sarah Palin
    Is this really someone who has the gravitas to be a heartbeat from the presidency, when the president is in his 70s?
    [hint: cut and paste, this link ought to be forwarded widely via email]

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  133. Atticus Finch says:

    Huh?? This post can’t possibly be for real. The selection of Palin is bold, but hardly clever. She will not attract any of the “disgruntled” Hillary voters or Independents because she is rabidly anti-choice, supports creationism, has ZERO international experience, and very little national experience. Not long ago, she was praising Obama’s energy plan but mysteriously, that seems to have disappeared from her website. She cracked down on “Alaska style corruption”? Oh, really? Is that why she is currently being investigated herself for misusing the power of the Governor’s office? Look, I saw her interviewed on C-SPAN a while ago and she struck me as quite bright but with much room to grow. IMHO, McCain has done this young woman a terrible disservice by selecting her because if she did have a promising political future, he might have just ruined it by prematurely exposing her in order to score political points. I believe Biden (with a smile on his face) will eat her alive in the debates. If she doesn’t shine and shine brightly, she may be forever known as the Dan Quayle of 2008. Oh, and moose burgers? Well, thank goodness that tidbit was included. I can just feel the economy and our security situation improving already…

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  134. HJ says:

    Why is it that when Sarah Palin is asked about her children on 2/24/08 her reply is 4 children with no mention of her 5th, is this the action of a prolifer?
    or do I have my math really confused?

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  135. John Shreffler says:

    A rash choice. McCain is more desperate than I thought. I’d thought
    he was going to be the latest flavor of Bobo Dole but the last Veep
    choice this obscure was back in 1964, Miller and his running mate
    was Barry Goldwater. Elephant burgers anyone?

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  136. Joe M. says:

    I am on the left and not going to vote for McCain/Palin. I highly doubt I will vote for Obama either (as I prefer to vote third party; either Nader or McKinney). But I have to say that i have great respect for McCain for this pick, and it makes me more sympathetic to him than I am to Obama. On policy issues, I am much closer to Obama. But Obama ditched public financing even though he claimed to be a supporter. Than he avoided Arab American at all cost (even though he is known to be a supporter of Arab causes). Then the severed himself from his long-time friend Rev. Wright for what seemed to me to be legitimate opinions of Rev. Wright. And then worst of all, for the single most important decision he will make as a presidential nominee, he totally blew it and chose Joe Biden as his nominee. Joe Biden is the ultimate establishment buffoon. He could not have possibly picked a whiter, more status-quo candidate. Biden supported the war in Iraq, then he moved to push a colonial solution that would ultimately lead to the division of Iraq… The list of knocks against Biden could do on for miles.
    And McCain proves he is honest (even though he is a Republican) and would legitimately represent change. McCain wrote the bill for public election financing, he has opposed Bush often. Even though he is bat-shi%t crazy on Iraq, he has gained my respect overall. I disagree with him on almost all policies, but I respect him for being serious in trying to break the establishment republican corruption. And picking a woman is really a bold move. Even if he did it cynically just to try to pick off Hillary supporters, it is still bold and does represent a legitimate change to the status-quo. I am proud of McCain.
    I am still not voting for him. But Obama looks worse and worse every day, and McCain looks better and better.

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  137. Zathras says:

    Not a blue candidate or a red candidate, but a green candidate. Green as the Geico gecko. I’m so inspired.
    Look, this pick makes sense in only one way. Sen. McCain and his team figured they were almost certain to lose this election, and wanted a pick who would not get in McCain’s way and could help him hold a piece of the Republican base, the social conservative Republican who have never like McCain. This is not a pick for a campaign that expects to win. It’s a pick to limit the size of the losing margin.
    Why Palin and not Pawlenty? I don’t know that it was Pawlenty who made that decision, but it would make a certain amount of sense. He’s doing all right as the Republican governor of a Democratic-leaning state, and may well have figured that the No. 2 spot on a national ticket that went down in flames could do him no good and might damage him in Minnesota. After all, past Vice Presidential candidates on the losing ticket in landslide years — William Miller, Sargent Shriver, Geradine Ferraro, Jack Kemp — never ran for elective office again.
    At any rate, Palin’s selection shows the lengths to which McCain had to go to find a Republican who was not tightly tied to President Bush, either by having worked for him or by having showered him repeatedly with extravagant praise that sounds embarrassing now. It’s an illustration of how completely the Republican Party today belongs to Bush, and to the permanent campaign industry that has grown up around the Bush family. McCain is an outsider and always will be to this crowd, and when he loses you can bet your last dollar that Republican post-mortems will focus on his shortcomings, not on the disastrous Presidency that is pointing the Republican Party toward permanent minority status.

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