Reminder to Voters: Bush’s Neocons Want to Bomb Iran

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In the latest issue of Foreign Policy, Joshua Muravchik — a neoconservative fellow traveler — has published a remarkable article, “Operation Comeback” that combines an offering of a mea culpa for much of the neocon-generated foreign policy mess America is in and then stunning bravado with encouragement that the President initiate a third war against a Muslim nation.
Muravchik’s article is written as a memo to his “fellow neoconservatives.”
There are a lot of disturbing zingers in the piece, but here is the part that every voter should be made aware of:

Prepare to Bomb Iran.
Make no mistake, President Bush will need to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities before leaving office. It is all but inconceivable that Iran will accept any peaceful inducements to abandon its drive for the bomb. Its rulers are religio-ideological fanatics who will not trade what they believe is their birthright to great power status for a mess of pottage. Even if things in Iraq get better, a nuclear-armed Iran will negate any progress there. Nothing will embolden terrorists and jihadists more than a nuclear-armed Iran.
The global thunder against Bush when he pulls the trigger will be deafening, and it will have many echoes at home. It will be an injection of steroids for organizations such as MoveOn.org. We need to pave the way intellectually now and be prepared to defend the action when it comes. In particular, we need to help people envision what the world would look like with a nuclear-armed Iran. Apart from the dangers of a direct attack on Israel or a suitcase bomb in Washington, it would mean the end of the global nonproliferation regime and the beginning of Iranian dominance in the Middle East.
This defense should be global in scope. There is a crying need in today’s ideological wars for something akin to the Congress for Cultural Freedom of the Cold War, a global circle of intellectuals and public figures who share a devotion to democracy. The leaders of this movement might include Tony Blair, Vaclav Havel, and Anwar Ibrahim.

I don’t want to appease Iran’s appetite for nukes, and I do believe that a substantial portion of Iraq’s governing elite want nuclear weapons despite overwhelming reasons for them to avoid that path — but this kind of talk about bombing Iran further undermines American credibility and our ability to influence Iran’s choices.
Kudos though to Josh Muravchik for truth in advertising.
Voters really should consider his views when they ask what may come next in the Bush administration’s roster of crusades.
Before closing, let me offer one visual image of what bombing Iran will yield — whether or not one believes that such an action is justified by circumstances or not.
Bombing Iran would create a “Terrorist Superhighway” with agitated networks of terrorists and insurgents angry at the U.S. linking Iran, Iraq and Syria — right up to the border of Israel.
As much as Iran is blamed (with reason) for fueling Hezbollah and the militant wing of Hamas, the kind of terror activity that might rush out of Iran in this Superhighway of Terrorists would overwhelm anything we have yet seen.
— Steve Clemons

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62 comments on “Reminder to Voters: Bush’s Neocons Want to Bomb Iran

  1. Winnipeger says:

    Matthew,
    Obviously I disagree with your characterization above. The “real” terrorists are many and on ALL sides in the middle east.
    You can demigogue if you want, but real life in the ME ain’t that simple.
    Furthermore, if you think things are bad today or this year or last, just open a history book and tell me when life in the ME has been better.
    God’s been “asleep” for a LONG time.

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  2. sdemetri says:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15494.htm
    Here’s an audio clip of an interview of James Petras, professor emeritas of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York. Most it of is about the influence of the Lobby in the US. The end section covers Iran. He makes some interesting points about there being very little enthusiasm among oil companies for war, or the military establishment, but there are strong forces advocating it.

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  3. Matthew says:

    Look how many Palestinians the IDF has murdered in the last 60 days….it’s pretty obvious who the real terrorists in the Middle East are. And all we hear from the West is silence. A whole new generation of Muslims are getting to know what kind of “peace” we want to bring to the Middle East. God is most certainly asleep.

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  4. Pissed Off American says:

    If we attack Iran it will be preceded by a terrorist attack, of epic scale, that will be presented to us as an event directly sponsored by Iran. In the ensuing chaos, the Bush Administration will be free to insititute any policies it chooses top pursue, while the media feeds us the carnage, 24/7.
    When discussing policies of this Administration we tend to consider the situation as it now exists, instead of logically imagining and foreseeing the “events” that would justofy the course of action that this Administration may pursue.
    Any discussion of an attack on Iran must include a discussion of the kind of political envoronment that would allow the successfull marketing of such an action. The attack on Iraq would not have been possible sans the events of 9/11. The same holds true for Iran.
    Bottom line, if we are to attack Iran, be prepared for the preceding days to be filled with a media extravaganza that will make 9/11 look like little more than a sideshow.
    And if you think this Administration is not capable of sponsoring such an event, than you have not being paying attention these last six years.

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  5. Carroll says:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexn/detail?blogid=16&entry_id=10582
    “Rumsfeld Must Go”
    An editorial scheduled to appear on Monday in Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times, calls for the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
    >>>>>>>
    The liberal net is all atwitter with the above. Most calling it a coup. Saying “something” is afoot.
    Funny, I have been screaming coup !, coup ! for two years and while it is very unusual I don’t think this would be the end all of the Iraq mess or really do anything to deflect Cheney/Bush,Co from Iran. For one thing from what I have read, it is the Marines who don’t want to do Iran and the Airforce who says it is doable. So I tend to think this mini “coup” is more about the condition of the military in Iraq than about a large scale coup about war policy.
    On the other hand it is possible that if the wider public gets on to this ‘coup’ among the military brass that it might affect congress, who are almost as guilty as Bush and that might slow down the adm’s Iran plans. We can hope.
    But I am for any kind of coup right now,large or small, and the more the merrier.

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  6. Carroll says:

    Back to bombing Iran.
    There is a lot of backtracking and weasling out among the neo’s in this country now, but it is solely for the purpose of putting a lot of words on top of their beating the lying war drum three years ago before hanging time comes around in the US.
    They don’t matter much any more anyway on Iraq or Iran. What does matter is now Cheney has an evil twin in Israel to go along with clueless George’s evil twin, Olmert…Isr new deputy PM Lieberman..a real piece of work. Weiss has good column up on what is happening in Isr right now and about Lieberman…you ought to read the whole thing…I think the chances are good that Isr will hit Iran before the year is out. It’s not like he can’t say Cheney and Bush invited him to.
    http://mondoweiss.observer.com/
    “The latest crisis in Israel demonstrates what I’m saying. In the last week the Israeli press has been filled with outrage over the new deputy P.M.: Avigdor Lieberman. The leader of a political party made up chiefly of Russian immigrants, Lieberman has called for redrawing Israel’s boundaries so as to expel Arab citizens and for the execution of Israeli Arab members of Parliament who met with Hamas. Let me repeat: this guy is the new deputy Prime Minister.”
    >>>>>>
    And if you haven’t kept up with the news since Isr bombed the Palestine infastructure back in July, Palestine continues to be razed to the ground, one town at a time. Even Weiss calls it a “slow motion genocide’.

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  7. Easy E says:

    Posted by: matt at November 3, 2006 10:08 PM
    ” you know, if linc chafee wins next tuesday, we’ll have just the right type of middle of the road, sensible leadership that this situation requires ….. ”
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  8. matt says:

    you know, if linc chafee wins next tuesday, we’ll have just the right type of middle of the road, sensible leadership that this situation requires …..
    🙂

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  9. Sardhony says:

    Shouldn’t occur without Congressional approval per War Power clause to begin with. But Cheny and Rumsfeld wouldn’t ever do it because Iran would massively complicate their exisitng severe problems in Iraq. To intentionally expand the Iraq War in that way . . . I don’t think so. Would be suicidal. Plus what it would do to oil prices would be an economic disaster on truly massive scale.

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  10. Easy E says:

    Neocons are getting hammered from all sides. Interesting perspective from former Reagan cabinet official:
    “EVIL IS AS EVIL DOES”
    by Paul Craig Roberts
    Compared to the current Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran’s former president Mohammad Khatami is regarded in Western foreign affairs circles as a moderate. When Khatami visited the U.S. in September, he called on the U.S. and Iran to stop verbally assaulting each other in the interest of dialogue that could build trust and eliminate the frictions between the two countries. Khatami said that the precondition for dialogue was “to eliminate the language of threat.”
    In an attempt to “resolve conflicts by talking, rather than by aggression,” the venerable Scottish University of St. Andrews invited Khatami to the United Kingdom for an honorary degree, followed by a speech at the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London. However, a spanner was thrown into the works by two Iranian exiles who claim to have been unlawfully imprisoned and tortured in Iran during the period of Khatami’s presidency. Under Section 134 of Britain’s Criminal Justice Act of 1988, torture wherever committed in the world is criminal under British law and triable in the UK. Thus, Khatami might still be arrested as he tours the UK in the interest of opening communication.
    If Khatami can be arrested in the UK for torture, how does British Prime Minister Tony Blair escape arrest for the torture of Afghans and Iraqis by coalition forces? Why are not U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Vice President Richard Cheney, and President George W. Bush arrested when they visit the UK?
    Does the British law excuse Anglo-Americans from its reach? Does it exclude government officials while they are in office and pursue them only when they have become private citizens?
    Or are we witnessing the operation of the neoconservative assumption that there is one rule of law for the U.S. and its allies and another rule for countries that do not support the neocon agenda? Neocons maintain that whatever the U.S. and its allies or puppets do in the interest of U.S. hegemony is defensible and permissible but a crime if any other country does it.
    When the president and vice president of the United States publicly defend and advocate torture and ram torture legislation through the U.S. Congress, it is hypocrisy for the U.S. to condemn others for torture.
    Perhaps Americans don’t notice, but the rest of the world does see the double standard applied when Saddam Hussein is put on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity, while U.S., UK, and Israeli government officials commit far greater crimes by illegally invading countries, targeting civilian populations, and torturing detainees.
    Considering the enormous bloodshed and destruction of civilian lives and infrastructure in Afghanistan and Iraq by U.S. and UK troops, why do British left-wing academics and human rights activists want to help the neoconservatives in the U.S. and UK spread the war to Iran? Helping to spread war is what the British Left is doing when they agitate for the arrest of Khatami while leaving Labor Party PM Tony Blair free to commit more crimes against humanity. Could it be that the two Iranian exiles are acting as neoconservative agents to block any possible rapprochement with Iran? This is not a wild speculation in view of the role Iraqi exiles played in deceiving the the American public and making false accusations against Iraq that Bush used to justify his invasion.
    The Iraq and Afghanistan invasions have turned out to be a catastrophe for the U.S. and UK as well as for the Iraqis and Afghans. Only a totally deranged political leadership would want to spread the catastrophe to Iran.
    According to a BBC news report (Oct. 30), British private security firm personnel – mercenaries to some – outnumber British soldiers in Iraq six to one. A British charity group accuses PM Tony Blair of “allowing mercenary armies to operate completely outside the law.” In Britain, it is no longer permissible to hunt foxes, because it is “cruel and inhumane,” but it is perfectly all right for private mercenaries and British soldiers to murder Iraqi and Afghan men, women, and children for the sake of Anglo-American-Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.
    Saddam Hussein was overthrown and indicted, and Iraq largely destroyed, in part because Saddam is “an evil man who tortured political opponents.” Evidence of U.S. torture of Iraqis is all over the Internet in vivid photos. According to Amnesty International, “Adequate safeguards against torture and ill-treatment are not in place in Multinational Force detention facilities, and thousands continue to be held without charge or trial.” The president and vice president of the U.S. advocate torture not only of Iraqis but also of everyone declared, correctly or incorrectly, by some U.S. government official to be a “terrorist suspect.”
    Why are not Bush, Cheney, and Blair on trial? Their crimes dwarf any that could possibly be attributed to Khatami.
    The only possible answer is that “might makes right.” Yet, Bush, Cheney, and Blair parade around draping themselves in moral justifications for their inhumane deeds and despicable acts.
    The fact that Americans tolerate crimes against humanity by their own leaders is evidence that Americans are exceptional only in their hubris.
    By Paul Craig Roberts
    http://www.vdare.com/roberts/bio.htm

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  11. Easy E says:

    And on the Pre-Election Surprise front…….
    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/061103/1/44jd1.html

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  12. Easy E says:

    NEO CULPA – Neocons turning against their ‘Puppet’……
    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612?currentPage=1

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  13. Winnipeger says:

    anyone read thomas friedman roday in the nyt’s?
    wow. powerful.
    reprinted here for those who don’t subscribe to timesselect:
    Insulting Our Troops, and Our Intelligence
    By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
    George Bush, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld think you’re stupid. Yes, they do.
    They think they can take a mangled quip about President Bush and Iraq by John Kerry — a man who is not even running for office but who, unlike Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, never ran away from combat service — and get you to vote against all Democrats in this election.
    Every time you hear Mr. Bush or Mr. Cheney lash out against Mr. Kerry, I hope you will say to yourself, “They must think I’m stupid.” Because they surely do.
    They think that they can get you to overlook all of the Bush team’s real and deadly insults to the U.S. military over the past six years by hyping and exaggerating Mr. Kerry’s mangled gibe at the president.
    What could possibly be more injurious and insulting to the U.S. military than to send it into combat in Iraq without enough men — to launch an invasion of a foreign country not by the Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force, but by the Rumsfeld Doctrine of just enough troops to lose? What could be a bigger insult than that?
    What could possibly be more injurious and insulting to our men and women in uniform than sending them off to war without the proper equipment, so that some soldiers in the field were left to buy their own body armor and to retrofit their own jeeps with scrap metal so that roadside bombs in Iraq would only maim them for life and not kill them? And what could be more injurious and insulting than Don Rumsfeld’s response to criticism that he sent our troops off in haste and unprepared: Hey, you go to war with the army you’ve got — get over it.
    What could possibly be more injurious and insulting to our men and women in uniform than to send them off to war in Iraq without any coherent postwar plan for political reconstruction there, so that the U.S. military has had to assume not only security responsibilities for all of Iraq but the political rebuilding as well? The Bush team has created a veritable library of military histories — from “Cobra II” to “Fiasco” to “State of Denial” — all of which contain the same damning conclusion offered by the very soldiers and officers who fought this war: This administration never had a plan for the morning after, and we’ve been making it up — and paying the price — ever since.
    And what could possibly be more injurious and insulting to our men and women in Iraq than to send them off to war and then go out and finance the very people they’re fighting against with our gluttonous consumption of oil? Sure, George Bush told us we’re addicted to oil, but he has not done one single significant thing — demanded higher mileage standards from Detroit, imposed a gasoline tax or even used the bully pulpit of the White House to drive conservation — to end that addiction. So we continue to finance the U.S. military with our tax dollars, while we finance Iran, Syria, Wahhabi mosques and Al Qaeda madrassas with our energy purchases.
    Everyone says that Karl Rove is a genius. Yeah, right. So are cigarette companies. They get you to buy cigarettes even though we know they cause cancer. That is the kind of genius Karl Rove is. He is not a man who has designed a strategy to reunite our country around an agenda of renewal for the 21st century — to bring out the best in us. His “genius” is taking some irrelevant aside by John Kerry and twisting it to bring out the worst in us, so you will ignore the mess that the Bush team has visited on this country.
    And Karl Rove has succeeded at that in the past because he was sure that he could sell just enough Bush cigarettes, even though people knew they caused cancer. Please, please, for our country’s health, prove him wrong this time.
    Let Karl know that you’re not stupid. Let him know that you know that the most patriotic thing to do in this election is to vote against an administration that has — through sheer incompetence — brought us to a point in Iraq that was not inevitable but is now unwinnable.
    Let Karl know that you think this is a critical election, because you know as a citizen that if the Bush team can behave with the level of deadly incompetence it has exhibited in Iraq — and then get away with it by holding on to the House and the Senate — it means our country has become a banana republic. It means our democracy is in tatters because it is so gerrymandered, so polluted by money, and so divided by professional political hacks that we can no longer hold the ruling party to account.
    It means we’re as stupid as Karl thinks we are.
    I, for one, don’t think we’re that stupid. Next Tuesday we’ll see.

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  14. p.lukasiak says:

    One important point re: Israel… the only way that Israel could launch a surprise attack against Iranian nuclear facilities would be if its bombers used US-controlled Iraqi airspace — none of Iran’s other neighbors are likely to provide permission for such an attack, and would likely warn Iran that an attack was coming….
    That is what the Iranian missile tests were about the other day, IMHO. A message to Israel — you send bombers, you are going to see the destruction of every major population center in Israel…
    Iran is not southern lebanon… and smart Israelis have reached the same conclusion US strategists have— not only will any attempt to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities fail to stop the program (like it did with Iraq), the Israeli people would pay a terrible price for any such attempt.

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  15. Carroll says:

    Since this has been dragged off topic by the “others”..it is time for a humor break.
    “While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies.
    His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
    “Welcome to heaven,” says St. Peter. “Before you settle in, it seems
    there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts,
    you see, so we’re not sure what to do with you.”
    “No problem, just let me in,” says the man.
    “Well, I’d like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we’ll do
    is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you
    can choose where to spend eternity.”
    “Really, I’ve made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,” says the senator.
    “I’m sorry, but we have our rules.”
    And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes
    down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself
    in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse
    and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians
    who had worked with him.
    Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him,
    shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while
    getting rich at the expense of the people.
    They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar
    and champagne.
    Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who
    has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a
    good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.
    Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator
    rises…
    The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.
    “Now it’s time to visit heaven.”
    So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.
    “Well, then, you’ve spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now
    choose your eternity.”
    The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: “Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.”
    So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down,
    down to hell.
    Now the doors of the elevator open and he’s in the middle of a
    barren land covered with waste and garbage.
    He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and
    putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.
    The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder.
    “I don’t understand,” stammers the senator. “Yesterday I was here
    and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and
    caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now
    there’s just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.
    What happened?”
    The devil looks at him, smiles and says, “Yesterday we were campaigning…… Today you voted.”

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  16. winnipeger says:

    well, get it straght, …
    first you accuse JJ and I of turning this into a thread about Israel and then you say that it IS a thread about Israel. Go figure.
    “my observation is that the usa is overly supportive of israel to the exclusion of its own wellbeing… the war in iraq is a case in point.”
    How id the war in Iraq a case in point? Are you saying the dumbass Jr. invaded Iraq because of Israel?! While this may have been a considersation and even a justification, I don’t think it factored much into the real decision.
    I believe it was domestic political considerations AND good old fashioned anomosity that fueled GWB’s race to war. Evil Rove believed it was a sure-fire way to win in ’04 and let’s not forget that saddam tried ti kill monkey boy’s daddy.

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  17. David Noziglia says:


    You don’t ask much, do you?
    sdemetri’s post brings up what could be an interesting idea. The thing is, the only way such a scheme would work would be if there were a real mechanism in place to institutionalize a liberal, constitutional rule of law.
    Easy for me to say.
    But.
    It is amazing how often one thinks, these days, that Madison had it right . . .

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  18. sdemetri says:

    David Noziglia, Ahmadinejhad’s one-state democratic suggestion, everyone in Palestine voting for a government, is not unlike what you say. Highly unlikely, and unrealistic for any number of reasons, but certainly a nod to liberal democracy.

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  19. Carroll says:

    Every time this happens it has made in America stamped on it. Israel and America are now one and the same to the world at large, Gitmo, Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Gaza, Lebanon..it’s all the same now. It doesn’t matter that some Americans and some Israelis are against this and against bombing Iran…the blowback will be on us all.
    Who is going to stop all this? Step up world and end it.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/world/middleeast/04mideastcnd.html?_r=1&ref=middleeast&oref=login
    JERUSALEM, Nov. 3 — Israeli troops fired at a large crowd of unarmed Palestinian women in the Gaza Strip today as the women approached a mosque to help Palestinian militants holed up inside. Two women were killed and about 10 were injured, according to hospital workers.
    One of the Palestinian woman who ringed a mosque in the northern Gaza town of Beit Hanoun fell to the ground after being wounded.
    The shooting provoked widespread outrage among Palestinians.
    The Israeli military said its fire was directed at Palestinian gunmen who were hiding among the women as they marched toward the Um al-Nasir mosque in Beit Hanun, the town in the northeastern Gaza Strip where Israeli troops and militants have been battling for the past three days. The Israelis said eight militants were shot, and that they were not aware that women were hit, but were investigating.
    Ismail Haniya, the Palestinian prime minister, angrily called on the international community to “come here and witness the daily massacres that are being carried out against the Palestinian nation.”
    Same old,same old:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,988617,00.html
    Israelis pull out but leave trail of devastation
    Chris McGreal in Beit Hanoun, Gaza
    Tuesday July 1, 2003
    Guardian Unlimited
    “I don’t know why they destroyed it,” said Mohammed Bishara who found his house flattened. “The Israelis say they had to do this because Hamas was firing rockets from here but they weren’t. Everybody knows they were using the fields. Anyway, they destroyed my house and it didn’t stop the rockets so I think it means they wanted to punish me for what Hamas does.”
    The Israelis said they went into Beit Hanoun to stop Hamas firing home-made rockets, known as Qassams, into Israel. It suits both sides to portray the rockets as fearsome but after more than 2,000 firings not one person has been killed and most miss their target by a long way.
    The army said much of the town had been destroyed for “security reasons”.
    Beit Hanoun: Israel uproots 44000 trees and razes 4400 acres Jerusalem — The Palestinians of Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip began to count the cost of a month-long Israeli invasion as the troops finally …

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  20. ... says:

    actually winnipeger it is an article that has as a byproduct israels security needs, so i accept some folks discussing israel.. not sure how long before the ‘anti-semite’ label comes out, but i accept that it also evokes strong opinions as well.
    David Noziglia – i agree with your comments… my question to you is where to go from here?
    my observation is that the usa is overly supportive of israel to the exclusion of its own wellbeing… the war in iraq is a case in point.

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  21. Carroll says:

    What does the following have to do with Iran?
    Well folks, the truth is the whole world, not just the Arab world, is watching two things; what we have done in Iraq and what the Israelis are doing in Palestine and what they did in Lebanon. Now leaving aside all the morals involved and being purely realistic, who do you think the WORLD sees as the larger threat to stability in the ME?
    So go ahead neo’s attack Iran, along with wiping out Palestine…Isrmerica needs a world wide hurting put on it because evidently force is the only thing force understands.
    Nephew Nazi:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/world/middleeast/04mideastcnd.html?_r=1&ref=middleeast&oref=login
    JERUSALEM, Nov. 3 — Israeli troops fired at a large crowd of unarmed Palestinian women in the Gaza Strip today as the women approached a mosque to help Palestinian militants holed up inside. Two women were killed and about 10 were injured, according to hospital workers.
    One of the Palestinian woman who ringed a mosque in the northern Gaza town of Beit Hanoun fell to the ground after being wounded.
    The shooting provoked widespread outrage among Palestinians.
    The Israeli military said its fire was directed at Palestinian gunmen who were hiding among the women as they marched toward the Um al-Nasir mosque in Beit Hanun, the town in the northeastern Gaza Strip where Israeli troops and militants have been battling for the past three days. The Israelis said eight militants were shot, and that they were not aware that women were hit, but were investigating.
    Ismail Haniya, the Palestinian prime minister, angrily called on the international community to “come here and witness the daily massacres that are being carried out against the Palestinian nation.”
    Same old,same old:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,988617,00.html
    Israelis pull out but leave trail of devastation
    Anti-terrorist assault destroys Palestinian homes and crops
    Chris McGreal in Beit Hanoun, Gaza
    Tuesday July 1, 2003
    Guardian Unlimited
    The last Israeli tanks moved out of Beit Hanoun yesterday, exposing the worst destruction since the military assaults on Jenin and other West Bank cities more than a year ago.
    Palestinians who returned to the small Gaza town occupied by the Israeli army for six weeks found that armoured bulldozers had levelled dozens of homes and factories, torn up roads and uprooted trees, up to the edge of the only public border crossing from Israel into the Gaza strip.
    “I don’t know why they destroyed it,” said Mohammed Bishara who found his house flattened. “The Israelis say they had to do this because Hamas was firing rockets from here but they weren’t. Everybody knows they were using the fields. Anyway, they destroyed my house and it didn’t stop the rockets so I think it means they wanted to punish me for what Hamas does.”
    The Israelis said they went into Beit Hanoun to stop Hamas firing home-made rockets, known as Qassams, into Israel. It suits both sides to portray the rockets as fearsome but after more than 2,000 firings not one person has been killed and most miss their target by a long way.
    The army said much of the town had been destroyed for “security reasons”.
    Beit Hanoun: Israel uproots 44000 trees and razes 4400 acres Jerusalem — The Palestinians of Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip began to count the cost of a month-long Israeli invasion as the troops finally …
    Uncle Nazi:
    “Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Ca) snuck a provision into a Pentagon budget that fires the Iraq inspector general investigating waste and fraud.”….
    And then there was My Lai and now Abu Ghraib “is” Iraq.
    And the “fog’ of war of course, can’t forget the fog…..
    “”Three U.S. armed vehicles, eight soldiers in each, are driving through a village, passing candy out to kids,” Sy Hersh began. “Suddenly the first vehicle explodes, and there are soldiers screaming. Sixteen soldiers come out of the other vehicles, and they do what they’re told to do, which is look for running people.”
    “Never mind that the bomb was detonated by remote control,” Hersh continued. “[The soldiers] open up fire; [the] cameras show it was a soccer game.”
    “About ten minutes later, [the soldiers] begin dragging bodies together, and they drop weapons there. It was reported as 20 or 30 insurgents killed that day.”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    DO NOT try to justify this crap, or pre-pre-pre- emptive strikes on any wannabe nuke countries, when we are armed to the gills with nukes, or Isr/merica Democrac$$$$$$y, or US $$$$$ecurity to me. It’s pure bullshit. We are so corrupt the stinking corpse of the US congress needs to be buried, it’s a health hazzard to all living things.

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  22. grumpy realist says:

    Thought that Israel wasn’t too interested in getting involved in a fight with Iran. Of course, their leaders seem to be a wee bit more realistic about the whole mess than ours here–probably because they know they’d be the focus of any blowback.

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  23. winnipeger says:

    jihad joe and winnipeger turn it into a thread about israel again… amazing.. some folks are on to it.
    Posted by … at November 3, 2006 11:28 AM
    well, … actually matthew did in the second comment of this thread:
    Fearing a powerful Iran is an imperial security argument, not necessary an American security argument. Haven’t the Likudite Neo-cons done enough to hurt America? Has anyone in the Pentagon considered taking preemptive action against the AEI? Taking down that nest would greatly improve America’s security.
    Posted by Matthew at November 2, 2006 06:09 PM

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  24. Carroll says:

    Posted by Jihad Joe at November 3, 2006 09:26 AM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I think I said before there is no cure for stupid. You just don’t get it.
    Israel is rushing headlong into disappearing with a little “help” from their friends. Their far right cultist in Israel are crazy, the AIPAC Israel crowd here is crazy…they think they are using the US to further their goals for Israel. The truth is the Bush adm is quite happy to oblige them because if fits their own neocon agenda, not because they are ‘friends” of Israel.
    Greater Israel/Regional power ideology + neo crazy + US imperalism = Bye-bye Isrmerica for a long, long time if this is pushed any further.
    Whatever happens to Israel if a larger ME war comes about is going to be the fault of people like you not me…I’ve been preaching compromise and survival..but if you want to commit suicide I can’t stop you.

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  25. David Noziglia says:

    Here’s a radically extreme idea:
    The foundation of Israel, and the existence of Israel, was a mistake.
    Now, wait a minute, before you get all excited and start calling people names, just read, and, if it isn’t too much trouble, try to think.
    The mistake was the idea that the only guaranteed way to prevent another Holocaust was to create a tribe-based state, in which the Jewish people could defend their existence as Jews.
    The Holocaust was perhaps the greatest crime in history, and the effort to prevent its repetition is a noble, just cause. The Jewish people, in fact, have the same right to protect themselves from both such an extreme, and from everyday discrimination, as do any other people anywhere.
    The mistake was in the belief that the solution had to be based on giving the tribal identity of any people the legitimacy of a state. Indeed, we can see all over the world the danger of basing national identity on tribal membership. This was the ground cause of the multiple wars, ethnic cleansing, and other atrocities that accompanied the breakup of Yugoslavia. It is playing out in the violence that is prevelent throughout so many states in the former Soviet Union (Chechnia, Georgia, etc.)
    Basing identity and rights on ethnic or tribal identity is counter to the principles on which the U.S. was founded, and which we have spent the past two hundred years trying to realize in truth. Basing the identity of any country on its tribal identity is a formula for giving some other tribe an excuse to kill people. This is, incidently, what’s wrong with the plans to split Iraq into three tribally based entities (what then happens to the Chaldeans, Turkomen, and other ethnic groups, anyway?).
    The real answer to the problem of discrimination, ethnic cleansing, and tribal violence is the one that was outlined in the report and conference on the Princeton Project on National Security. Rights and the rule of law are due to everyone. Ethnic identity is a bogus basis for law and national power.
    The real problem is that we talk about the rule of law, and try to come up with PAR or some other formulation that avoids the word liberal, but what we really need to do is take liberal democracy seriously.
    That way, everyone has a real basis for finding a way to protect themselves from being demonized and subjected to genocide. That would protect not just the Jewish people, but everyone, better than a tribal enclave ever would. Israel is just an international version of a ghetto. Far from helping protect Jewish people, it just gives their enemies a clear target.
    And that’s why it was a mistake.
    And the attacks will now start . . . .

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  26. ... says:

    jihad joe and winnipeger turn it into a thread about israel again… amazing.. some folks are on to it.

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  27. winnipeger says:

    According to the 2005 Israeli census, Israel’s population of 6,990,700 is broken down into the following ethnic groups:
    Jewish – 5,313,800
    muslim – 1,140,600
    christian – 146,000
    druze – 115,200
    unclassified by choice – 272,200
    This data includes legal citizens of the State of Israel, not including any Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or other citizen living under the Israeli-occupied lands administrated by the Palestinian Authority
    http://tinyurl.com/yxahc8

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  28. Carroll says:

    The Sunni Saudis, who loathe the Iranian Shiites, would be more than happy to `help’ the US in its time of need.
    Posted by Homer at November 3, 2006 10:06 AM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Well I could be wrong, you could be right. But to my mind when push comes to shove you will have more Arabs who fight what they see as being “colonized’ once again. They can always fight among themselves later. Do the Sunnis really trust the US to make them the “bossman”?..we have seen US bossmen overturned before.

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  29. winnipeger says:

    link to the data posted above:
    http://tinyurl.com/yys4c2

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  30. Winnipeger says:

    Jihad Joe:
    I noticed a consistent misspelling in your posts. it is spelled Israel not Isreal.
    Don S.
    I agree with you that we need to keep in mind that Israelis are NOT all Jewish. According to Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics at the end of ’04, Israeli religious demographics are:
    76.2% Jewish
    16.1% muslim
    2.1% christian
    1.6% druze
    3.9% other

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  31. Jihad Joe says:

    DonS:
    Respectfully; your ghetto-mentality of sha shtil aret gayen ( go carefully and quitly) is evident. Indeed, don’t talk too loud or proud. It will bring circumspection. My background is early Zionist. Hashomer and Palmach heritage. Quite the opposite of yours. Don’t worry. We’ll cover your Juden Rat butt when the time comes.

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  32. DonS says:

    Jihad, I’m a Jew who lost most of my family in the halocaust. I’ve got a bit of sympathy for the threat of extermination. My views on Israel’s lack of vision when confronting its neighbors is not airy fairy, IMO.
    You should study up a bit more on how exactly to separate the term “Israeli” from “Jew”,and why, because its conflation plays a large part in the psychological manipulation, particularly of Americans, to back Israel regardless of the sanity of their actions and policy. You will probably run across the word Zionist and there will be another conundrum.
    BTW all, Billmon adds his own musing to the Iran scenario, with reference to the neocons-in-chief.
    http://billmon.org/archives/002922.html

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  33. Homer says:

    Carroll: I have been reading everything that the Saudis say also and they say Saudi wouldn’t cut off US oil…BUT…I don’t believe it
    Why?
    Sunni Saudis and Iranian Shiites are enemies.
    The Sunni Saudis, who loathe the Iranian Shiites, would be more than happy to `help’ the US in its time of need.

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  34. Jihad Joe says:

    DonS:
    Very estute: “I never would argue that Israel follows a sane foreign policy” in that it has been compelled to fight for its existance since its inception and manages to exist as a democratic society in the midsts of Islamo fascists and despotic oil-potentates, now, that is insane. Agreed.
    As to the polite term “conflation” , not sure how you seperate the Jew from Isreal considering it embodies the bedrock foundation to the religeon. Unlike in Islam where Jeruselum is the 3rd holiest site, Jews only have one holy site and it is in Jeruselum, Isreal. Sorry for the inconvenience in terms of the Left-wing polemics in attempting to seperate the two.

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  35. pauline says:

    “A young Egyptian once said to me, ‘”Neoconservative” sounds to our ears like “terrorist” sounds to yours.'”
    “. . .Joshua Muravchik, a former leader of the Young Peoples Socialist League who now inhabits the heady heights of that neocon Olympus over at the American Enterprise Institute. Muravchik, author of Exporting Democracy, a pre-9/11 polemic in which he outlined what was to become the Bushian policy of “global democratic revolution,” is as pure a neocon as exists outside of Michael Ledeen’s study. Undaunted by the massive failure of the democratist crusade, he writes in Foreign Policy magazine of “Operation Comeback,” in the form of a memo to his partners in crime. The subject line is: “How to Save the Neocons.” Which raises the question: save them from what? public obloquy? The penitentiary? A lynching?
    I’d settle for two out of three, and much of the rest of the country is behind me, yet Muravchik finds this rising anti-neocon sentiment baffling, even “startling.” Oddly, he has not been startled into anything like repentance, or even caution: instead, even as he describes he and his fellow cultists as “proven losers at Washington’s power game,” Muravchik boasts “our ideas have influenced the policies of President Bush” and avers “that does feel good.” I’ll bet. As I have pointed out before, the most powerful man in the world is the world’s biggest, most fanatical neocon, and that is the ultimate prize in Washington’s power game, now isn’t it?”
    http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=9959

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  36. DonS says:

    JJ, I never would argue that Israel follows a sane foreign policy, in the past or now. What some would consider preemption might indeed be igniting the fire. I’d be willing to do a lot more diplomatic work. But that’s just me.
    You might consider not conflating “Jews” with Israelis at all turns. Don’t you think enough people do that already?

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  37. Jihad Joe says:

    DonS:
    Yes, about as ” insane” as Isreal taking-out Iraq’s nuclear development center in ’87. Can you imagine if Saddam had his finger on the trigger during the Iran/Iraq conflict , or, Desert Storm I? Enough said.

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  38. Jihad Joe says:

    Carroll ( resident Isreal-basher and Lefty-Loonie) :
    Fully agreed. What right does Isreal have to exist. After all, the Romans changed the name of Isreal to Palestina almost 2000 years ago. Let by gones-be-by gones. Whay can’t they simply go into exile again, or, march in-line into the gas chambers. Enough with those pesky trouble-making Jews. Let’s pull-the-plug and let the Jews get their just rewards for defending themselvs from Arab attacks for since the ’20s. Indeed. when Iran completes its nuclear weapons development, the world will be a better place and peace will reign. Maybe. Maybe not.
    What a nut-case YOU are! Why don’t you put your life where your mouth is and join R. Corrie along with her Islamic terrorist buddies in Hamastan.

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  39. DonS says:

    The “bomb Iran” scenario is about as insane in its implications as its mirror image ‘articulated’ by Jihad Joe above. This alone does not mean it is off the table for Bush-Cheney, but indeed a frightful possibility.

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  40. MP says:

    Abombinable. What else can one say? Madness.

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  41. Jihad Joe says:

    Yes, indeed, we should not adhere to the sillyness of NeoCon Josh. So what if Iran is the global nexus-point for sponsoring Islamic terror. So what if Iran is run by fanatical Islamic religous zelots. So what if their fanatical fingers are on the button to launch nuke-tipped missles. So what if they threating to ” wipe Isreal off the face of the world”.
    It all rally dosen’t really matter so long as we contune to buy cheap gas at the pump. God forbid we pay on par with what Europeans pay for filling their gas tanks. We certainly wouldn’t want to open a terror ” super highway”. Better, we should ignore the obvious threat they are and engage with the Iranians in conversation about their support for terrorists and need for nuclear energy. After all, its all about bashing the NeoCons, Bush, and the threat from the Right. We can live with Islamic terrorists. Perish the thought that we should do any thing about it that would “provoke” them. Remember Sudatenland and Munich? Now hold that thought!ngage with,

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  42. bob h says:

    It would be hard to avoid the mauling of the American and British Iraq forces in retaliation. This would probably spell the end of the Republicans for a generation.

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  43. StanW says:

    RE: How to Save the Neocons
    All you need to know!

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  44. RESTORE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE NOW says:

    “Last spring, after the site began posting old Iraqi documents about chemical weapons, United Nations arms-control officials in New York won the withdrawal of a report that gave information on how to make nerve agents.
    The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians, who said that the nation’s spy agencies had failed adequately to analyze the 48,000 boxes of documents seized since the March 2003 invasion.”
    How about “winning” the right to post the numerous photos of Bush and Rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussein and Bin Laden, “winning” an analysis of why this story is being released days before the elections, and “winning” the truth about how our own media acts directly against our own best interests by deliberately allowing itself to be used for constant GOP propaganda.
    The “Democrats voted for it too” garbage is yet another LIE; when Democrats have any sort of accurate information from the media they work to STOP AND PREVENT these CRIMES.
    Bush to Rush:
    “…I am deeply concerned that they will be in a position to use oil as a tool to blackmail the West…they control oil resources, then they pull oil off the market in order to run the price up.”
    HERE, BUSH HAS JUST EXPLAINED TO RUSH WHY ALTERNATIVE ENERGY HAS BEEN DELIBERATELY SUPRESSED BY THE MAJOR CONGLOMERATES FOR 50 YEARS: IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE TRILLIONS MORE ON WEAPONS AND WAR. GOP PROFITS = GLOBAL POLLUTION & DEATH.
    1) Buy and control the entire Media to propagandize everything and everyone.
    2) Use it to supress free clean energy, sell cars & foment war.
    3) “Profit” from arming all sides.
    4) Drain all the wealth from as many as possible, then deny them all services and rights.
    5) Financial enslavement of the world.
    Who says the GOP Nazi Global Cabal doesn’t have a plan or a “unified strategy”?
    First, they LIE through their TEETH to commit these atrocitys and PROFIT from them, next, they wrap themselves in our Flag and wave the Bible.
    They’re planning on you,
    AND ITS GOING EXACTLY AS PLANNED.
    Finally, they want you to apologize into the bargain, so FIRST you blame yourself, and THEN they can blame YOU. If that doesn’t work, they try to INTIMIDATE you, and if that doesn’t work they STEAL the ELECTION at OUR POLLS. Since they OWN everything, they think they own OUR POLLS TOO. DEMAND PAPER BALLOTS AND INDEPENDENT HAND COUNTED VERIFICATION.
    Americans Are Genuinely Sorry And Sincerely Apologize For Ever Believing That Republicans Or Their Wholly-Owned Media Could Ever Be Trusted At All About Anything Ever.

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  45. ... says:

    i think it backfires on them.

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  46. ... says:

    dumbocracy, coming to a theatre near you…
    stage managed by the plutocracy, who wouldn’t have it any other way…

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  47. Easy E says:

    Forget Iran for now, here’s the
    N O V E M B E R S U R P R I S E
    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/02/snow-saddam-verdict/
    The neocriminals will make sure this dominates the news with voters through the elections.

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  48. Easy E says:

    The Neocons are desparate to change the subject and freak-out voters before Monday. I can see it now:
    BREAKING NEWS…..Cheney and Rove reveal latest intelligence reported by Al Jazeera that Saddam, Osama, and Ahmadinejad prefer Democrats to lead U.S. In plea bargaining for leniency, Saddam proclaims support for GOP and has no comment about the Geneva Convention laws.

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  49. RichF says:

    Bush flat-out admittted on Rush Limbaugh’s show that his whole Iraq and MidEast policy is based on control of oil. (via digby)
    George W.:
    “Give me a second here, Rush, because I want to share something with you. I am deeply concerned about a country, the United States, leaving the Middle East. I am worried that rival forms of extremists will battle for power, obviously creating incredible damage if they do so; that they will topple modern governments, that they will be in a position to use oil as a tool to blackmail the West. People say, “What do you mean by that?” I say, “If they control oil resources, then they pull oil off the market in order to run the price up, and they will do so unless we abandon Israel, for example, or unless we abandon allies.”
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_digbysblog_archive.html#116243879757506885

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  50. gcochran says:

    I hardly think they could ‘force’ a president who didn’t listen to them. They’re pissants.

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  51. Dalivision says:

    It is the neocons that will force any Pres, Democrat or Republican, to a pre-emptive strike on Iran, especially with this type of “thinking” or thought process. It is this type of thinking, without alternatives, that we need to avoid but the greatest fear is that they just don’t care as long as it achieves their point of view.

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  52. Carroll says:

    JPost.com » International » Article
    Nov. 2, 2006 10:46
    Bush ‘would understand’ attack on Iran
    By JTA
    President Bush reportedly said he would “understand” a preemptive Israeli strike against Iran s nuclear sites.
    Maariv, citing diplomatic sources, reported Thursday that French President Jacques Chirac discussed Iran s nuclear program with Bush on the sidelines of the recent UN summit.
    Asked by Chirac if Israel could attack Iran to prevent it getting the bomb, Bush reportedly said: “We cannot rule this out. And if it were to happen, I would understand it.”
    The report could not be independently confirmed…..
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378311136&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
    >>>>>>>
    Hummm…I guess the way it will go is Israel will bomb Iran, start a battle, and then the US will have the excuse to go ‘defend” Israel.
    Cheney and Bush have certainly hinted repeatedly to Israel to do this.
    The US will get hurt bad in the long run if we do this, but Israel will get totally ruined.
    Oh well, there is no cure for stupid.

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  53. Carroll says:

    Sy Hersh says that Iran would immediately cut off our oil, followed by their good new friend Venezuela. Consider the possibilities!
    Posted by mr.ed at November 2, 2006 11:07 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I have been reading everything that the Saudis say also and they say Saudi wouldn’t cut off US oil…BUT…I don’t believe it. I think if Iran gets blown up they won’t be able to be seen aiding and abetting the US if they want to keep their heads and thrones.

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  54. Carroll says:

    Is it plagiarism if you change the names?
    “Make no mistake, Iran will need to defend it’s nuclear facilities before Bush leaves office. It is all but inconceivable that Isrmerica will accept any peaceful inducements to abandon its drive for ME colonization and dominance. Its leaders are both religio-ideological fanatics and imperalist who will not trade what they believe is their birthright to great power status for a mess of pottage.”
    If I were Iran I would be working 24/7 to get the bomb, so far no one who has nukes has been attacked by the US or Israel. That’s reason enough. Good nukes make good neighbors.

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  55. mr.ed says:

    Sy Hersh says that Iran would immediately cut off our oil, followed by their good new friend Venezuela. Consider th possibilities!

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  56. rapier says:

    Democratic party control of even both house and senate would hardly preclude such an attack. I can’t think of a single thing congress could do to stop the bombing of Iran if Bush says go. What are they going to do, threaten to impeach. That won’t stop it.
    One has to assume an air attack will be a surprise one. If some sort of deadlne is given I suppose public protest could ensue but that won’t stop it. The Joint Cheifs could push so hard againt an attack in public so that it might become a political impossibility but that seems unlikely and to think they would disobey the final order to attack is incomprehesible.

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  57. JMG says:

    Pre-emptive attack on Iran would, of course, lead to $7 a gallon gasoline in about an hour’s time.
    Does the author of this demented screed care such an attack would give Iran total moral justification for “terrorist” attacks on the United States, and that the rest of the world might not just go tut-tut, but actually help them.
    If some other land launched an attack on Mexico, the US reaction would be dramatic. What’s the name of that big country north of Iran?

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  58. steve duncan says:

    A suitcase bomb in Washington? WTF does that have to do with developing a conventionally produced nuclear weapon? Aren’t they two completely different items, different technologies for the most part? Are there credible reports Iran is working on nuclear weapons both big and small, bombs you’d place on a missile or drop from the air AND suitcase weapons? Do these freaks EVER get tired of yelling “Boo!”?

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  59. John says:

    The real underlying issue is not nuclear. The main reason Iran is building deterrence is that we are becoming increasingly desperate to control their energy resources. Iran, Iraq, and Russia control 40% of the world’s natural gas reserves and 25% of the oil reserves. All three fall outside the US “global economic architecture.” If the US can’t force them into the architecture, they cut separate deals with the EU, Japan and China, causing the US architecture to start to crumble along with US relevance. In fact, it’s already happening as Russia and Iran cut deals with Europe, China and Japan, shutting out US companies.
    Besides negotiations, nothing short of a successful occupation has a prayer of forcing Iran under our economic umbrella, and the prospect of that outcome is nil. As Muravchik says, the global thunder against Bush when he pulls the trigger will be deafening. Besides unifying world opinion against the US as an outlaw nation, it will force the EU deeper into the clutches of Russia to secure long term energy supplies and set off a mad scramble for energy in Japan and throughout South Asia and the ASEAN area, which obtain most of their energy from the Middle East.
    Any attack on Iran would appear as an act of imperial desperation, tantamount to saying, “if the US can’t have Iran’s energy resources, then nobody else can either.”

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  60. Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rollah says:

    Girlie-man Muravchik should stop crying, whining, and knitting his eyebrows about Iran.
    Girlie-man Muravchik should strap on an explosive belt and take out the Iranian nuke sites himself.
    Where’s his sense of sacrifice?
    Instead whining he should ACT!
    Having hit his target, Girlie-man Muravchik could be toasted endlessly at a cocktail hosted by Kristol et al in the small office of the PNAC if it still exists. (Menu: Teeny-Weenies and a nice and sweet Blush will be served)
    That would be a sufficient form of recognition for his contribution to world peace.

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  61. Matthew says:

    Fearing a powerful Iran is an imperial security argument, not necessary an American security argument. Haven’t the Likudite Neo-cons done enough to hurt America? Has anyone in the Pentagon considered taking preemptive action against the AEI? Taking down that nest would greatly improve America’s security.

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  62. RichF says:

    I think I’ll schedule some time to memorize the words to “O, Canada.”
    And Arabic.
    No good can come of this ‘tactic.’
    America would be 10,000 times more secure if it GAVE Iran the bomb. Anyone even minimally versed in Realpolitik, cost-benefit analysis, and/or the political dynamics of the American Revolution can grasp that much.

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