Yearly Kos Does Foreign Policy


I just arrived in Chicago super early this morning and will be speaking in two Yearly Kos Convention panels today.
The first is titled “The Next Progressive Foreign Policy” and takes place from 10:30 – 11:30 am and will include Peter Beinart whose famous article “A Fighting Faith: An Argument for a New Liberalism” is arguably one of the most impactful articles written on foreign policy in recent years — though I have serious disagreements with it and think that Peter does now as well. Also participating are Andrei Cherny and Ken Baer who publish the new journal, Democracy: A Journal of Ideas, and myself.
Second is “Progressive Foreign Policy and its Importance for Elections and Activism” at 2:30 pm. This is going to take some more head-scratching because I feel that one hasn’t seen the kind of grassroots interest in national security policy issues since the 1960s. Lessons from then are not clearly applicable, but this should be a good discussion and will include Lorelei Kelley, Alex Rossmiller, Sarah Howelenski, Jonathan Singer and myself. Full deck.
Congrats to Gina Cooper and her incredible team on pulling this all together. Major press all over the place on the Yearly Kos Convention as the Dem’s “Other national convention.”
E.J. Dionne, a great pal, also has a good piece, “The Rise of Kos.” Markos once mentioned that he thought I resided in some cocooned state of unreality about the ability to generate progressive progress with moderates of both parties. To both of our benefit, we didn’t spend our time and energy knocking heads over this and I think we both along with many others have broadened the “types of vehicles and political engagement” to pursue our progressive objectives. I just see more value than most in building allies with like-minded independents and Republicans whenever possible.
However, unlike Fox’s Bill O’Reilly, I believe that Markos and his followers are a vital part of the progressive movement and American civil society today.
More on this and the role of blogs later.
— Steve Clemons


14 comments on “Yearly Kos Does Foreign Policy

  1. robert tayag says:

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  2. Anon says:

    I started reading Dailykos when the the Wingnuts were flying towards war, and came to Billman and dozens of others that helped me erect a reality frame around Iraq. What Carrol and others need to understand that there are many environmental nitches in the struggle against the war and its base, and Kos’ nitch is organizing. Their thing is doing the nit-gritty of political struggle. Your’s is to sit back and grumble. There’s nothing wrong with that. Do grumble, its valid.


  3. Sandy says:

    Wow, thanks for the info, POA. And, the reminder.
    Talk about COVER-Up!!
    And, we thought Denny Hastert was ashamed of his role in young-boys-for-congressmen pages scandal.
    We might have known it was much, much more than just that.


  4. Kathleen says:

    Carroll; I’m glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t quite groove on DKos.
    It’s hard for me to put my finger on exactly why, but it’s the same feeling I got from Ned Lamont’s campaign…. a kind of preaching to the choir, inner circle, closed circuit operation, camp counselor, patronizing, simplistic approach. Perhaps I’m not being fair because I can’t say that I’ve read DKos that regularly, but it didn’t take much to turn me off.
    But there are other blogs, this one in particular, that I think do have an impact on the course of events by doing better investigative reporting than the MSM and bringing the info to light, putting it into the forum for discussion. The whole blog process has revealed that our “leaders” are merely wizzards behind the curtain, with less info than bloggers. They do have Madison Ave PR firms tho, to crank out those sound bytes.
    Original thinking went out with bell bottoms, apparently.


  5. Steve J. says:

    I’d be careful about calling Dionne a pal. I consider this part of his article to be libelous:
    “Democratic candidates know they owe a debt to Moulitsas. They’re paying homage to him because he has started to beat Limbaugh and O’Reilly at their own game.”


  6. KosWhat says:

    The Daily Kos banns, very quickly, “diaries” about Zionism’s role in Iraq and the wars to come, as well as anyone who questions the official narrative of September 11th.
    I say to Daily Kos (quoting my three-year-old, in all his infinite wisdom), “Phooey on youeey Kos Kids.”
    The Cheney administration (with the able help of the Demowimps) has lied to us for almost seven years straight, and yet we are supposed to believe their version of what actually happened on September 11th?
    An event that the Project for the New American Century (the alliance of Cheney and Rumsfeld with Israel’s Likudniks) EERILY predicted one year, almost to the date, before?
    After Cheney and Bush refused to go on record to discuss it?
    Kos and his kids are limited hang-out fascists — anyone who supports either party are.
    Steve needs to (as someone else on here suggested) take a year away from “the Beltway” and perhaps work in a factory or diner and see how the real half lives.


  7. PissedOffAmerican says:
    As Sibel says in the interview when asked about how she has dealt with the frustrations of her situation:
    “I can’t say it’s been easy, as is the case with so many whistleblowers, the build up of pressure comes to a point where many will have nervous breakdowns, or they explode with anger. And to contain that disappointment – that our country, our government, the mainstream media has let all of us down – and they do explode, or they get disgusted and just go away. They say, after one year of fighting, or two years of fighting, they say “What the heck with it?” and they turn away and leave. And if you explode, you have given them the perfect, perfect excuse to point at you and say ‘Look – this person is crazy! She’s not legitimate.”
    “If you explode, and put out some documents… they have an excuse saying “She has breached security and we are going to jail her” – again, they (our domestic enemies) benefit. And if you just go away, again, they have won. And they have been winning, they’ve been doing this criminal activity for many years… because they have gotten away with it.”
    “They have gotten away with it because nobody has been willing to come forward, and right now it’s only me… If there were one or two other agents who could have committed to that much compromise & sacrifice and come forward, maybe we would have seen more progress – but the fear factor is so great out there…”
    Mr Waxman is familiar with the details, he promised Sibel that he’d have hearings when the Democrats were in charge, it’s time that he commits to having hearings. It’s time that we all helped Sibel.
    I strongly recommend that you watch the recent interview (1 hour). Watch it and you’ll be as outraged and passionate about this case as I am.
    Please contact Waxman’s office all this week and demand an answer:
    DC phone: (202) 225-3976
    LA phone: 323 -651-1040
    fax: (202) 225-4099
    Capitol switchboard phone: 800-828-0498


  8. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “I had taken the oath to protect my new country, against all enemies, and this was my chance to serve my country. I assumed the enemy was foreign……
    Within a few months, i came across some serious issues. Wrongdoing. Some of those would be considered criminal, within the FBI. Some of those involved security breaches, 911 related cover-ups, and sabotaged intelligence operations. In one case, due to the pressure of the State Dept and Pentagon, the FBI was prevented from criminally investigating certain US officials who were engaged in actions against our national security, having loyalties to other governments.”…Sibel Edmonds


  9. Sandy says:

    DailyRoll. For the fed-up-with-both-parties masses out here.
    Hey, great idea, Carroll. Sign me up!
    I’ll work for you….(here from my home, of course)…for free.


  10. Robert Morrow says:

    Bill O’Reilly, a.k.a. “Mr. Falafel” does not like the blogger left because they had a field day when he was caught talking dirty to his assistant and the transcripts were published on
    That is also why O’Reilly almost never talks about the Clintons wildly dysfunctional Jerry Springer lifestyle or the thug tactics Hillary uses to cover it up.


  11. Carroll says:

    I would vote for Clark. My second choice would be Hagel.
    Ideally I would like to have a Pr-Clark-VP-Hagel administration.
    As for DKos, I think they are the ones who live in denial, still pushing a system of “party loyalty voting” that clearly doesn’t work for the country and just keeps the old dem-repub see-saw going up and down.
    I use to read it and still check it now and then but don’t find much originality or balance in thinking there except for a very few commenters.
    As much as Kos’ers bill themselves as progressives and outside the establishment it is clear to me the dem establishment moves them more than they move the dem establishment. I don’t see that they have any real influence on dem voters outside their blog followers and only serve as an outlet for dem candidates.
    The majority public is tired of both parties, too bad we don’t have an equivelant of Kos for the fed up middle masses of both dems and repubs.


  12. daCascadian says:

    PissedOffAmerican >”…and China has no reason to ruin us by pulling in their markers, since they have decided to slowly poison us instead…”
    Absolutely true
    One wonders how much longer it will be before “the real experts”, not to mention the peasantry, wake up & smell the deep putrid decay
    “For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill” – Sun Tzu


  13. liz says:

    Thank you for being the real one being fair and balanced Steve.


  14. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Meanwhile, our two top Democrat hopefuls argue about whether or not we should nuke our “most valuable ally in the Global war on Terrorism”. A general, taking his cue from the Bush Administration, refuses to testify before Congress, and states he will evade service of the subpoena. Bush asks for expanded evesdropping powers, in a move that would put Alberto Gonzales in control of yet more expanded powers. Specter, in an amazing display of chutzpa, actually states that he might consider such an “essential” addition to our national security efforts. As Bush starts a new arms race in the Middle East, and promises Israel an additional 30 billion in killing machines, we are told ad nauseum on the news that a large percentage of our national highway bridges are in serious disrepair, and that we can’t afford to fix them. The illegals are still pouring over our borders, and China has no reason to ruin us by pulling in their markers, since they have decided to slowly poison us instead.
    But have no fear folks, the very best brains in Washington are on the job, and will soon bring you a panel on “Progressive Foreign Policy and its Importance for Elections and Activism”.
    And hey, if that doesn’t fix it, theres always “more later”. And, you can rest assured, there will be “more later”. Trouble is, if these rubber boots get much taller, I’m gonna have to cut eye slits in ’em.


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