New Middle East Blog by Daniel Levy

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Daniel Levy is one of a handful of people who really could move the Palestinians and Israelis (and Americans, and Europeans, and Russians, and UN bureaucrats, and Saudis, Syrians, and Jordanians) towards a negotiated comprehensive deal establishing a Palestinian state that doesn’t undermine Israel’s national security.
He is a great friend and colleague of mine at the New America Foundation and Century Foundation and has just launched his own personal blog, Prospects for Peace. The title isn’t my style. I’m more of an edgy and dark Beyond War type and find that I’m at my most cynical when I hear flowery stuff — but Levy is a visionary who does see in his head and politically a different Middle East arrangement that is more stable — but he has strong currents of realism in him as well.
The new blog is a gusher when it comes to informed commentary on Israel/Palestine affairs, and I recommend it highly.
— Steve Clemons

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51 comments on “New Middle East Blog by Daniel Levy

  1. Sandy says:

    June 4, 2007
    Dispossession and Humiliation
    Four Decades of Occupation
    By ZALI KHOURI
    “I don’t know what I would do if my daughter had to go through that humiliation.” A U.S. congressman said those words to me while watching Qalandia checkpoint, the key Israeli roadblock between occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
    As we mark the 40th anniversary of the 1967 war and Israel’s military occupation of Palestinian territory, his comment is particularly poignant. As both a Palestinian and an American, I wonder what my fellow Americans would do if they lived for 40 years with every aspect of their lives controlled by a foreign army, or what members of Congress would do if they had to pass through an occupier’s checkpoint on Capitol Hill….” snip
    http://tinyurl.com/3amlph

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  2. Sandy says:

    Oh, that’s right, POA, that must have been the problem. I’ve learned now! And, I am glad to know about the tinyurl thang.
    Thanks!

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  3. Pissed Off American says:

    Sandy, if I put more than two links in my posts the posts are blocked. Steve had a problem with a spammer posting long lists of porn links, so he had a techie set up a spam blocker. Whenever I feel I want to post more than two links to make my point, I do it in multiple posts.

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  4. Pissed Off American says:

    “What the heck am i even doing here?”
    Posted by career diplomat
    Trolling.
    Hi Wimpie.

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  5. career diplomat says:

    classic! Thanks, “arthurdecco!” So, in addition to all other evil and nefariousness in this world, the “Zionists” (read: Jews) are also to blame for Hitler?!
    Congratulations on taking anti-semitism, oops, I’m sorry, I mean anti-zionism to a new level.
    The “Zionists” (read: Jews) are responsible for the rise of Hitler and, by extension, the unprecedented destruction wrought by the nazi regime.
    I’m “chewing on that” “arthurdecco” and it tastes vile… and STUPID.
    What the heck am i even doing here? 😉

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  6. arthurdecco says:

    Just an aside, Tom S. and career diplomat: You both need to read a fascinating book by Edwin Black, “The Transfer Agreement”.
    It’s a painstakingly researched book on the culpability of American Zionists, (led by Sam Cohan), in the rise of Hitler to supreme power during the early 30’s.
    It’s about how, if the American Zionists had not interfered in an extremely successful world-wide boycott of German goods led by international labour unions, Hitler would have been booted from office before he managed to wrest sole and dictatorial control of the government from Germany’s democratic institutions.
    In other words, the same vile Zionists that conspired to steal Palestine from its legal owners are also responsible for keeping the man most responsible for the Jewish Holocaust in power. Chew on that for a minute…
    Edwin Black is an American Jew. And not the self-hating kind, I can assure you.
    You fellows need to get out more. Or learn how to read something other than those articles/books/papers that appear on the “approved” list that someone self-interested is supplying you with.

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  7. Sandy says:

    Yes, Carroll, I never had had any intention of posting such long….long….articles. At all!
    But didn’t know….what else to do. The URLs obviously didn’t work. Didn’t know I HAD another choice.
    Okay. I’ll Google tinyurl…..have seen it here….but have no idea what it is!
    I’ll look into it. Thanks.

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  8. Carroll says:

    Posted by Sandy at June 1, 2007 02:02 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    Although I myself have been guilty of overlong post…let me make two suggestions.
    Use the tinyurl aid for links to an article and in your post and instead of copying the entire article just quote the points that you want to highlight about the article.
    I also do think timeouts are part of the problem in getting the spam message, some time ago spammers posted long,long,long nonsense post on here.

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  9. Sandy says:

    Apparently, then, it was the URLs that were being blocked.
    Hmmm.
    If it wasn’t the content…but the URLs themselves, then I apologize, Steve.

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  10. Sandy says:

    Posted in 2006 on Truthdig.com:
    Human Rights Watch: Israel Has Committed War Crimes
    Posted on Aug 4, 2006
    The watchdog group released a 50-page report detailing Israel’s failure to distinguish between combatants and civilians in Lebanon, in one case wiping out an entire 12-person family because one member merely was suspected of being sympathetic to Hezbollah.
    ——————————————————
    Human Rights Watch:
    Israeli forces have systematically failed to distinguish between combatants and civilians in their military campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon, Human Rights Watch said in report released today.
    The pattern of attacks in more than 20 cases investigated by Human Rights Watch researchers in Lebanon indicates that the failures cannot be dismissed as mere accidents and cannot be blamed on wrongful Hezbollah practices. In some cases, these attacks constitute war crimes.
    The 50-page report, “Fatal Strikes: Israel’s Indiscriminate Attacks Against Civilians in Lebanon,” analyzes almost two dozen cases of Israeli air and artillery attacks on civilian homes and vehicles. Of the 153 dead civilians named in the report, 63 are children. More than 500 people have been killed in Lebanon by Israeli fire since fighting began on July 12, most of them civilians. 
    “The pattern of attacks shows the Israeli military’s disturbing disregard for the lives of Lebanese civilians,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “Our research shows that Israel’s claim that Hezbollah fighters are hiding among civilians does not explain, let alone justify, Israel’s indiscriminate warfare.”

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  11. Sandy says:

    Amnesty International
    Refugees feature: Palestinian refugees – a legacy of shame
    press release, 03/03/2004
    Hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon live in overcrowded refugee camps, struggling to fulfil basic human needs. They do not have the right to work in dozens of professions or to receive social security. They do not have the right to own or inherit property. To this day, the international community has failed to find an adequate, durable and sustainable solution to their problem and that of the millions of Palestinian refugees scattered around the world. For over 50 years, they have been excluded from the international system for the protection of refugees.
    Palestinians were forced to flee or were expelled from their homes and lands at the time of the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and again when Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip in 1967. Many of them took refuge in Lebanon, where they remain today, together with their descendents. There are today about 400,000 Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and the majority of them live in refugee camps run by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA).
    Some of the Palestinian refugee camps in the south of Lebanon might easily be mistaken for military zones. The camps are isolated from the outside word by fences and are guarded by Lebanese soldiers that control and vet access to and exit from the camps. Once you pass the Lebanese soldiers, another layer of armed soldiers, this time Palestinians, is in place. Many armed political factions compete for control of the camps and factional fighting is a common feature of life in some of the camps.
    Life inside the camps is harsh. Additional rooms have been added to existing buildings, often to the detriment of the narrow alleyways between them, often blocking the sun. The sight of sewage waters in the streets of a camp is commonplace. Palestinian children have to learn to live in this environment, for this may be the only home they will ever have. And they are the lucky ones when compared to the thousands of Palestinian families who live in “unofficial” camps.
    Jal al-Bahr, near Tyre, is one of those camps. It is a make-shift camp, made of mud, bricks and corrugated iron sheets. Its location on a thin strip of land bordered by the sea and a highway makes it particularly dangerous for children. It has no school, clinic, sewage, or running water. Its population of approximately 1,200 people could not find a place in one of the “official” camps.
    Lebanon has repeatedly stated that it will not accept the permanent settlement of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and that their presence in the country is temporary. The Palestinians’ right to return is clearly recognized and upheld in international law. However, over 50 years have already elapsed since the start of the Palestinian refugee problem and the right to return has yet to be realized.
    According to UNRWA, the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon have the highest rate of people living in “abject poverty” of all the Palestinian refugee communities they serve.
    When Palestinians venture out of the camps to look for work, they are hit by laws that discriminate against them. Lebanese law restricts dozens of professions to Lebanese nationals. The Lebanese government applies a policy of reciprocity of treatment when it comes to granting work permits; it will grant the right to work to foreign nationals to the extent that their state grants the right to Lebanese nationals. Palestinians are at a particular disadvantage in relation to other foreign nationals as they do not have a state that could provide reciprocal treatment to Lebanese nationals.
    The Popular Committee, an administrative committee representing different political factions in the ‘Ayn al-Hilwah camp, Lebanon’s largest Palestinian refugee camp, says that the rate of unemployment is 80%. It mainly attributes this to laws discriminating against Palestinian refugees in their ability to seek work. For example, a Palestinian cook; accountant; medical doctor; hairdresser; pharmacist; engineer; concierge or lawyer is unable to practice their profession legally in Lebanon. Until there is a recognized Palestinian state or until the Lebanese government amends its laws, Palestinians will continue to be denied one of their most fundamental economic, social and cultural rights — the right to work.
    As for the living conditions in the camps, it is currently not possible to carry out any construction of new camps to host the new generations of Palestinians. Furthermore, construction and redevelopment inside the existing camps in the south of Lebanon, where the largest camps are situated, is prohibited.
    Not being able to own property in Lebanon is a further hindrance — the law currently bars Palestinians from owning real estate. Lebanese law also bars them from inheriting any property or registering property that they had already bought, or were in the process of buying, at the time the law was issued. The law does not explicitly target Palestinian refugees, but bars those who are not “bearer[s] of nationality of a recognized state” from owning property; in practice, this means only the Palestinians.
    The Lebanese Prime Minister, Rafiq Hariri, admitted that the current ban on the right of Palestinians to own property in Lebanon was “unjust”. When speaking on the subject last October, he made clear that “the time was not right to grant Palestinian refugees such rights”, indicating that such bans might be lifted one day. The Prime Minister made his statement on the occasion of the withdrawal of a draft parliamentary bill that would have amended a 2001 law that effectively bars any Palestinian from owning or inheriting property in Lebanon. However, he did not clarify when the “unjust” ban would be lifted. Until then, Palestinian refugees are compelled to remain confined to a dozen camps scattered around Lebanon.
    These camps are restricted to small areas of land and struggle to support an ever-growing population. Palestinian refugees have little choice than to live in often very poor living conditions. This is in violation of another fundamental right — the right to an adequate standard of living.
    Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria have the largest Palestinian refugee populations. Those in Lebanon probably suffer the most out of these three communities. For them, the pain associated with the loss of their homes, the decades of exile in foreign countries is aggravated by a policy of systematic discrimination against them.
    Lebanon is a country with a small population and very diverse ethnic and religious communities. It has suffered through a long civil war and severe sectarian tensions, to which the Palestinians were inextricably linked. The involvement of Palestinian factions in the civil war is cited as one of the main reasons why Palestinians are the victims of discrimination in Lebanon. This does not excuse the systematic discrimination against them or the violation of their fundamental human rights.
    Lebanon’s discriminatory practices against Palestinians violate international human rights law; they are in violation of its obligations under the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights; the International Convention on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination and Convention on the Rights of the Child. Lebanon should end all forms of discrimination against Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. It should provide them greater access to work in different professions and give them access to social security. It should give them the right to own and inherit property. It should end all restrictions on construction and development works in existing camps. Only then may Palestinian refugees in Lebanon enjoy an adequate standard of living.
    If permanent settlement is not the solution for Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, this does not mean that intermediate, adequate solutions that protect their fundamental rights should not be sought.
    The legacy of shame about the treatment of Palestinian refugees goes beyond Lebanon. The international community has consistently failed them. While the United Nations has entrusted UNRWA — whose budget depends on donations of UN member states — to provide assistance for Palestinian refugees within its area of operation, UNRWA is encountering ever increasing difficulties in meeting the needs of an expanding population with a budget that cannot cope with these needs.
    The lack of adequate assistance is only one of the failures of the international community towards Palestinian refugees living in UNRWA’s area of operation. Unlike other refugees, they are not protected by the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees or the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). Both the 1951 Convention and the Statute of UNHCR exclude Palestinian refugees from international protection.
    Ironically, like the Lebanese law barring them from owning property in Lebanon, the Convention and the Statute do not explicitly exclude Palestinian refugees; rather, they exclude anyone who receives assistance from other organs of the United Nations. Here again, Palestinian refugees find themselves singled out.
    In 1948 and 1967, Palestinian refugees were expelled out of their homes by force. Today, they are scattered in dozens of countries in the Middle East and around the world. They continued to suffer like they have for over 50 years, not just because of their exile, but most importantly due to a lack of political will at the local and international level to end their predicament.
    The international community has failed to provide adequate, durable and sustainable solutions to the Palestinian refugees and, in the meantime, has failed to provide adequate protection and assistance. Member states of the United Nations should expand the international system for the protection of refugees to include Palestinian refugees and should provide adequate funding for assistance provided by UNRWA that will guarantee that Palestinian refugees enjoy their fundamental rights.
    The international community should also make serious efforts to provide an adequate, durable and sustainable solution for the Palestinian refugee problem. Action is long overdue.”

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  12. Sandy says:

    Maybe it is the website — the Guardian (UK) he has blocked???
    Here is one article, then:
    Israel shocked by image of soldiers forcing violinist to play at roadblock
    Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
    Monday November 29, 2004
    The Guardian
    Of all the revelations that have rocked the Israeli army over the past week, perhaps none disturbed the public so much as the video footage of soldiers forcing a Palestinian man to play his violin.
    The incident was not as shocking as the recording of an Israeli officer pumping the body of a 13-year-old girl full of bullets and then saying he would have shot her even if she had been three years old.
    Nor was it as nauseating as the pictures in an Israeli newspaper of ultra-orthodox soldiers mocking Palestinian corpses by impaling a man’s head on a pole and sticking a cigarette in his mouth.
    But the matter of the violin touched on something deeper about the way Israelis see themselves, and their conflict with the Palestinians.
    The violinist, Wissam Tayem, was on his way to a music lesson near Nablus when he said an Israeli officer ordered him to “play something sad” while soldiers made fun of him. After several minutes, he was told he could pass.
    It may be that the soldiers wanted Mr Tayem to prove he was indeed a musician walking to a lesson because, as a man under 30, he would not normally have been permitted through the checkpoint.
    But after the incident was videotaped by Jewish women peace activists, it prompted revulsion among Israelis not normally perturbed about the treatment of Arabs.
    The rightwing Army Radio commentator Uri Orbach found the incident disturbingly reminiscent of Jewish musicians forced to provide background music to mass murder. “What about Majdanek?” he asked, referring to the Nazi extermination camp.
    The critics were not drawing a parallel between an Israeli roadblock and a Nazi camp. Their concern was that Jewish suffering had been diminished by the humiliation of Mr Tayem.
    Yoram Kaniuk, author of a book about a Jewish violinist forced to play for a concentration camp commander, wrote in Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper that the soldiers responsible should be put on trial “not for abusing Arabs but for disgracing the Holocaust”.
    “Of all the terrible things done at the roadblocks, this story is one which negates the very possibility of the existence of Israel as a Jewish state. If [the military] does not put these soldiers on trial we will have no moral right to speak of ourselves as a state that rose from the Holocaust,” he wrote.
    “If we allow Jewish soldiers to put an Arab violinist at a roadblock and laugh at him, we have succeeded in arriving at the lowest moral point possible. Our entire existence in this Arab region was justified, and is still justified, by our suffering; by Jewish violinists in the camps.”
    Others took a broader view by drawing a link between the routine dehumanising treatment of Palestinians at checkpoints, the desecration of dead bodies and what looks very much like the murder of a terrified 13-year-old Palestinian girl by an army officer in Gaza.
    Israelis put great store in a belief that their army is “the most moral in the world” because it says it adheres to a code of “the purity of arms”. There is rarely much public questioning of the army’s routine explanation that Palestinian civilians who have been killed had been “caught in crossfire”, or that children are shot because they are used as cover by fighters.
    But the public’s confidence has been shaken by the revelations of the past week. The audio recording of the shooting of the 13-year-old, Iman al-Hams, prompted much soul searching, although the revulsion appears to be as much at the Israeli officer firing a stream of bullets into her lifeless body as the killing itself. Some soldiers told Israeli papers that their mothers had sought assurances that they did not do that kind of thing.
    One Israeli peace group, the Arik Institute, took out large newspaper adverts to plead for “Jewish patriots” to “open your eyes and look around” at the suffering of Palestinians.
    The incidents prompted the army to call in all commanders from the rank of lieutenant-colonel to emphasise the importance of maintaining the “purity of arms” code.
    The army’s critics say the real problem is not the behaviour of soldiers on the ground but the climate of impunity that emanates from the top.
    While the officer responsible for killing Iman al-Hams has been charged with relatively minor offences, and the soldiers who forced the violinist to play were ticked off for being “insensitive”, the only troops who were swiftly punished for violating regulations last week were some who posed naked in the snow for a photograph. They were dismissed from their unit.
    Last week the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem criticised what it described as a “culture of impunity” within the army. The group says at least 1,656 Palestinian non-combatants have been killed during the intifada, including 529 children.
    “To date, one soldier has been convicted of causing the death of a Palestinian,” it said.
    “The combination of rules of engagement that encourage a trigger-happy attitude among soldiers together with the climate of impunity results in a clear and very troubling message about the value the Israeli military places on Palestinian life.”

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  13. Sandy says:

    Nope, Steve, DOES do censorship, Carroll (and POA). I have just tried THREE TIMES now to respond here. I AM BEING BLOCKED.
    Nothing “malicious”. Nothing profane. Nothing that needs censoring.
    Not much question now in my mind. And, zero answer to my e-mail either.

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  14. Sandy says:

    Thank you, Carroll. However, what I tried — maybe ten different times from 3:38 on throughout the afternoon and evening — to post was nothing hateful…profane…or malicious….whatsoever.
    It was simply some websites with FACTUAL discussions about Palestinians. Never got through. Only my innocuous ones did. Hmmm.
    I’ll try again here. In this one. First one of today. And see what happens. If it doesn’t go through THIS time, well then I’ll have serious doubts all those rejections/blocks really were just some “glitches”:
    http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGMDE183032004
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1361755,00.html
    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060804_human_rights_watch_israel/
    No longer in the earlier information flow, of course.

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  15. Carroll says:

    Posted by Sandy at June 1, 2007 12:17 AM
    >>>>>>>>>>
    Steve doesn’t do censorship unless it really is hateful or profane comments and then he usually gives a warning to everyone to tamp down their emotions.
    The posting thing is a glitch…it will show as “page not found” after you hit the button sometimes but it still goes thru…posters don’t realize that and so they end up with double post. When it shows “preventing spam” usually you have been spent too much time formulating your post on a thread or posted too quickly after another of your post.

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  16. Carroll says:

    Posted by Tom S at May 31, 2007 08:55 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>
    Do you understand what ignorance actually is?
    The holocuast and 1939 Germany has zlich to do with what is happening TODAY..except as the past as prologue and in your mind.
    We are in a different CENTURY…with DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES …I was hoping my snarkiness made that point…but evidently not.

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  17. easy e says:

    Rightous goyim—Gadfly, GoRonGo, Carroll, POA, Sandy—are telling it like it should be told.
    Hallelujah!!!!!
    Need to get these spirited debates spread into the mainstream media to help wake up and save America.
    Hallelujah!!!!!

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  18. easy e says:

    Rightous goyim—Gadfly, GoRonGo, Carroll, POA, Sandy—are telling it like it should be told.
    Hallelujah!!!!!
    Need to get these spirited debatges spread into the mainstream media to help wake up and save America.
    Hallelujah!!!!!

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  19. Sandy says:

    I started to say “Thanks, Pissed Off…” 🙂
    but Thanks, POA, I’d like to think that’s all it is!
    (Now I’ll see if THIS gets in.)

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  20. Pissed Off American says:

    Sandy, I betcha you experienced a glitch. If Steve has a problem with your posting, my bet is that he will let you know, in no uncertain terms. He has done so with me on more than one occasion. (Can’t imagine why, I am such a nice guy and all) But anyway, his spam filters have been acting strangely lately, and like I said, you probably just got caught in a glitch.

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  21. Sandy says:

    I guess you would have included me if Steve hadn’t blocked me from participating in this blog…..from around 3:38 p.m. today…on.
    I got one of those automatic messages about “malicious” comments:
    The Washington Note
    Thank You for Commenting
    Your comment has been received. To protect against malicious comments, I have enabled a feature that allows your comments to be held for approval the first time you post a comment. I’ll approve your comment when convenient; there is no need to re-post your comment.
    How is what I had said any worse than what others here have said?
    And, he didn’t even give me the courtesy of replying to my e-mail asking why.
    I see how this works.

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  22. career diplomat says:

    Please include the crank calling himself “Pissed Off American” in my comments above about “GoRonGo” and “Carroll.”

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  23. Pissed Off American says:

    I see he’s back. How many screen names will he use this time?
    Well, at least its more entertaining than watching MP’s ridiculously over-stocked straw barn bursting at the seams.

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  24. career diplomat says:

    “Tom S”:
    Save your breath and energy. There is no use in debating idealogues; especially ignorant and anti-semitic idealogues. Trust me, this excercise can serve no useful purpose.
    You’re debating individuals who have zero first-hand experience of the situation, let alone insight.
    Anyone, on either side of the Arab-Israeli conflict, who purports that one side is entirely to blame is a damn fool!
    And don’t worry, the closest that “GoRonGo” and “Carrol” will ever get to formulating or influencing this country’s policy is by calling into C-Span or commenting on Steve’s blog.

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  25. Tom S says:

    Carroll:
    Don’t demonstrate your ignorance any more than is necessary. To put it in language that even you should be able to understand. World War II started in 1939. Haj Amin Husseini fled the Middle East in 1941 after the failure of the Rashid Ali coup in Iraq (which was supported by the Germans).
    He ended up in Berlin (the capital of Nazi Germany–you know the enemy, the ones who perpetrated the Holocaust). To repeat, since you appear not to be able to take this on board, he fled to Germany in the middle of World War, and spent the rest of the war there. While there he worked with Hitler and the Nazi leadership, recruited Moslems to fight on the side of the Germans, and enthusiastically endorsed the goals of the Holocaust. If the Wikipedia entry for Haj Amin Husseini is to be believed, he actively sought to sabotage attempts to negotiate an exchange of Jews held by Germany late in the war.
    After Germany was defeated (in 1945), he fled to Switzerland, eventually ending up in Egypt.
    Now compare his relationship with Hitler and the Nazis to–say–the Duke of Windsor or Joseph Kennedy. Do you still think it was much of a muchness?

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  26. GoRonGo says:

    What is *distasteful* to me is that my country was lied into a war by Israel’s operatives who have infilitrated the highest levels of my government.
    That war has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands, and yet, those operatives for Israel aren’t stopping. Rather, they want my country to attack Iran, a country that the U.S. (minus Israel’s operatives) does not have a fight to pick with. That attack then leading to World War III.
    Again, I’m sure an enlistment form for the IDF (the Israeli military) is easily available. SIGN UP TO DEFEND ISRAEL WITH YOUR OWN BODY OR SHUT-UP.

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  27. Carroll says:

    Well, GoRonGo, the Iraqis and the Palestinians didn’t play a role in the Holocaust per se, but that doesn’t mean that they sided with the angels either. If you as an alleged journalist couldn’t dig up anything on the role that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem played in attempting to recruit an Arab SS legion (heck, there are even photos of him hobnobbing with Hitler during the war), or Rashid Ali attempting to turn Iraq over to the Germans in 1941, then I guess your brand of journalism is more advocacy than investigative.
    Posted by Tom S at May 31, 2007 08:28 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Hey, you left out the Prince of Wales hobnobbing with Hitler, as well as Amb. Jack Kennedy Sr.,the Italians, as well as a host of others…including the zionist leaders who made deals with him on what age and skill levels of jews they would and wouldn’t take out of Germany to populate Palestine.

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  28. Carroll says:

    To deliberately do so in reference to Israel suggests an inability or unwillingness to recognize a line between harsh and deserved criticism of Israel and its policies, and something more distastful. To applaud such sentiments in the context of a post highlighting an Israeli site that promises materials from Israelis who are seeking a peaceful and hopefully just solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is disgusting.
    Posted by Tom S at May 31, 2007 03:25 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>
    You sound rather anti-gentile…Levy has said much the same as this gentile poster did about the Palestine ghettos except in more diplomatic watered down words. You seem to be insulting the poster for his opinion because he is gentile and not jewish.
    Anti-gentilism is as disgusting as anti-semitism. You should apoligize.

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  29. Tom S says:

    Well, GoRonGo, the Iraqis and the Palestinians didn’t play a role in the Holocaust per se, but that doesn’t mean that they sided with the angels either. If you as an alleged journalist couldn’t dig up anything on the role that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem played in attempting to recruit an Arab SS legion (heck, there are even photos of him hobnobbing with Hitler during the war), or Rashid Ali attempting to turn Iraq over to the Germans in 1941, then I guess your brand of journalism is more advocacy than investigative.

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  30. Carroll says:

    Years later, I started covering the Middle East, and, like most *Western* journalists who cover the Middle East I started to sympathize with the Palestinians. There was a study done on how journalists who cover the Middle East views change — I will look it up if you want proof.
    Posted by GoRonGo at May 31, 2007 07:09 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>
    Very true. I have read other comments from journalist and media people who have covered Palestine who say the same thing. Remember Ashley Banfield? She did a bang up job in the Isr-Pal coverage …but she was “too evenhanded” in presenting “both” sides and was fired because she didn’t and wouldn’t slant it in Israel’s favor enough.

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  31. Carroll says:

    About Levy.
    Very interesting blog. I have thought his heart and mind are in the right place for a long time, but fear he is swimming against the stream of events.
    I am not hopeful. Like Steve when the flowery words aren’t followed up with any action…well then..nothing changes…and nothing has changed in forty years.
    Israel will change and peace will come to Palestine when Israel dies or when we have a President who will not give them unconditional support…whichever comes first.
    Or maybe when Saudi/OPEC cuts off the oil to e-v-e-r-y-one…they have enough money to heat their castles and throw bones to their subjects for however long it would take for everyone to come to heel.

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  32. Carroll says:

    “Today, instead of an economy, the Palestinians have a tin cup…Yet who do they blame? The United States, Bush, Olmert, Abu Mazen, the P.A., the Arabs, the Quartet, the weather, the New York Yankees — anyone and everyone except Hamas.”
    Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.)
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    Well, I nominate Ackerman as the anti-semitic and bigot of the week. For his bigoted, dishonest and pissy little statement. He is anti-semitic toward the semitic Palestine arabs because is he a semitic jew.
    Yes Ackerman, the jew, is an anti-semite. There are lots of jews who are anti-semites and anti-gentile..Elliot Abrams comes to mind…Daniel Pipes..ugh.
    Everyone is an anti-semite! What a relief.
    I suggest we have a World Wide Wur. We gentiles can kill off the anti-gentile jews and arabs. The jews can kill off the anti semite arab semites, and the arabs can kill off the anti semite jew semites.

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  33. GoRonGo says:

    P.S. Actually the reason I went to Auschwitz/ Birkenau/ Krakow was because I felt tremendous sympathy towards the Jews and what they went through during the Jewish Holocaust.
    Years later, I started covering the Middle East, and, like most *Western* journalists who cover the Middle East I started to sympathize with the Palestinians. There was a study done on how journalists who cover the Middle East views change — I will look it up if you want proof.
    But now we’re not talking about the genocide of the Palestinians (and that’s what it is), what we’re talking about is World War III, with Israel, and her sympathizers in the U.S., using the U.S. to “bring it on” — on as in Armagedd-ON.
    My last post had a quote from Norman Podhoretz, the God-father of the neo-cons, who wrote, “as an American AND A JEW” he wants Bush to bomb Iran.
    Imagine if I said, “As a (VERY POWERFUL) American and a Tibetan (and/or Buddhist) I want Bush to bomb China.” After other Tibetans in the Pentagon had built a false case (using Tibetan operatives and the power of the Tibetan controlled media) for attacking Nepal and thus had already bled the U.S. treasury dry.
    Wonder how that would go over…
    The point is that Zionists control the discourse in this country, down to Jon “limited hang-out” Stewart. They do hide under other names. Jon Stewart is in his early forties — way past the era when Jews had to hide their identity.
    In the entertainment industry you get bonus plus points for being a Jew, so there was no need to change his name. I don’t know what his motives were, but the net result is that he can present a Zionist-Lite perspective to Middle America, and his too-hip audience is eating it up, so even the cool-sters in this country will be on-board for “Good Morning Tehran.”
    And, lest we forget, last year Our Crowned Prince vowed to defend Israel at all costs, DESPITE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A SENATE-RATIFIED DEFENSE TREATY WITH ISRAEL BY ISRAEL’S CHOICE.
    And here’s another article to put your thinking cap on for:
    Kristol and Kagan: “‘Put Everything'” Behind Escalation So We Can Bomb Iran and Syria”
    Weekly Standard editor William Kristol and fellow neoconservative Frederick Kagan have consistently been wrong in their predictions about Iraq.
    “We” meaning, according to Kristol and Kagan, the U.S. – because Iran and Syria, wouldn’t ya know it, have 1.7 trillion troops just across both our borders ready to force us all to eat hummus and kavab and turn off American Idol. Ah, the agony…
    (the entire article is at this link)
    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/kristol-kagan-iraq/
    Please do remind me again what Muslims had to do with the Jewish Holocaust.

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  34. GoRonGo says:

    I notice that I consistently post links and other people post… well…
    So here’s a link to the Jerusalem Post from today:
    HOME FRONT COMMAND TO GET (ISRAEL’S) PUBLIC READY FOR “ALL-OUT WAR”
    http://tinyurl.com/ynv88r
    And I will repeat my post from yesterday, quoting Norman Podhoretz’s opinion piece “The Case for Bombing Iran” from yesterday’s Wall Street Journal and I will end with Podhoretz’s OWN quote:
    “As an American AND AS A JEW, I pray with all my heart that he will.”
    Bomb Iran, that is. But of course, no Zionist EVER, NEVAH EVAH, conflates Israel’s interest with the U.S.’
    Here’s the link to Podhoretz’ “THE CASE FOR BOMBING IRAN”
    http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110010139

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  35. MP says:

    Well, GRG, it’s hard to imagine you “covered” it in anything even remotely approaching an even-handed manner. In your unguarded moments, you get your Jews and Zionists all mixed up. You go looking for Jews who’ve changed their names for some nefarious purpose and remain blissfully unaware of the real reasons MANY immigrants, not just Jews, changed their names. You think a list of American Jews who’ve made it in America is revealing of some sort of nefarious something. You cop a feel claiming Wiesel “falsified” his memoir (which was supposed to mean what, BTW?) You live in fear that Meir Kahane, a marginal figure, is going to hurt your half Jewish children, when, in fact, he has ZERO affect on my life (a whole Jew and an American) and really on anyone’s life outside of a small circle (and only came to prominence because yeshiva buchers were getting beaten up). And then you pull out that old rag–your wife’s Jewish–as if that’s supposed to inoculate you against criticism of your deranged statements.
    You know what? Every anti-Semitic tract I’ve ever read makes the claim that its claims aren’t anti-Semitic.
    You may read a lot of papers, but you only pay attention to half the story. I guess between the Jewish Zionists and the Mexicans, you must be a busy beaver down there on the border.
    When Ron Paul dismantles the government and it truly is every man, woman, and child for himself against whomever happens to have the bigger stick…or virus…or the most money…and 12 million people are on the run from the police…we’ll see how good Ron Paul’s vision really is.

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  36. GoRonGo says:

    I covered the Middle East for six years. I watch news from the Middle East and read papers from there DAILY.
    PLUS, I speak to people in both Israel and Palestine. And Lebanon.
    And I have been to Auschwitz/ Birkenau and visited the former Krakow ghetto.
    Were YOU in the Warsaw ghetto? Have YOU been to Gaza lately?
    Go take that shower, you probably need to, but don’t use MY money to do it. And don’t use my children’s blood to defend Israel, a racist, apartheid, parasitic rogue nation.
    BTW: Career Diplomat — can you detail for us exactly what the Palestinian/ Iraqi/ Iranians’ roles were in the Jewish Holocaust? Because after years of searching I still have not been able to figure that one out.
    Please do. I will thank you endlessly if you tell us what the people of those countries had to do with the Jewish Holocaust.

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  37. Carol Gee says:

    Steve, I’ll skip directly to saying “Thanks!” for the link to a Levy blog. Your friend and colleague is great to watch on C-SPAN. He has a fine mind, an engaging presence, and an amazing way of putting complexities into order. I hope he writes as well as he speaks.

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  38. Carol Gee says:

    Steve, I’ll skip directly to saying “Thanks!” for the link to a Levy blog. Your friend and colleague is great to watch on C-SPAN. He has a fine mind, an engaging presence, and an amazing way of putting complexities into order. I hope he writes as well as he speaks.

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  39. career diplomat says:

    And just as soon as i post my comment, “GoRonGo” posts this?
    “Been to Gaza lately? What Israel is guilty of in regards to what she is doing to the Palestinians is worse than what the Jews suffered through in the various ghettos”
    Yeah right. I’m sure he’s been to Gaza, huh? And i’m sure he knows about the Nazi occupation of Europe and what life was like in the Warsaw Ghetto, right?
    I feel like I need a shower. Disgusting.

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  40. career diplomat says:

    Interesting readership you’ve got here, Steve.
    I’ll assume that “Gadfly’s” biased, factually incorrect and over-simplified (if I can even call it that)commentary is not indicative of that of the rest of your readership.
    Regardless, kudos to daniel levy for making the effort. i wish him luck in dealing with the ignorant idealogues of the world.

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  41. GoRonGo says:

    Been to Gaza lately? What Israel is guilty of in regards to what she is doing to the Palestinians is worse than what the Jews suffered through in the various ghettos.
    And MY U.S. tax dollars are paying for Israel’s genocide, and Israel’s wars. The blowback???
    Seriously you Israel firsters, GO THERE AND JOIN THE IDF. Leave the rest of us alone. We have “no dog” in your fight and would not be in your fight were it not for the influence of AIPAC, the Christian Zionists, and other pro-Israel and pro- military/industrial complex lobbies in the U.S. . They all have subverted our country to the extent that we, the people of the United States of America, are the dog that Israel and the military/ industrial complex tail wags.
    The U.S. is now putting amputees back into active duty!!! Here’s an article from yesterday’s San Francisco Chronicle on it:
    http://tinyurl.com/2r9x6m
    Next will be the draft — our children will be dying for Israel and for Bechtel and Halliburton.
    Ah, the chutzpah, but, finally, many in the U.S. are waking up. “We don’t want your stinking wars.”
    BTW: Today’s Mosaic (news from the Middle East translated into English, watch it on the net at LinkTV.org) was really interesting because the broadcasters from both Iran and Lebanon had a lot to say.
    Perhaps Putin is funding Israel to get back at us for funding the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan…

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  42. kaitlin says:

    Gadfly noted some important trends in American politics. It is unfortunate that national interests are not more invested in solving poverty and improving human rights. According to the Borgen Project, it would cost $19 billion to end world hunger. In perspective, the U.S military budget for this year is $522 billion. If real positive change is going to happen in the Middle East, the U.S. needs to change its priorities.

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  43. Tom S says:

    You may differ, but equating Palestinianian refugee camps–however squalid–with Nazi-run concentration camps and ghettos is by any objective standard hyperbolic, so Godwin’s law can certainly be applied.
    To deliberately do so in reference to Israel suggests an inability or unwillingness to recognize a line between harsh and deserved criticism of Israel and its policies, and something more distastful. To applaud such sentiments in the context of a post highlighting an Israeli site that promises materials from Israelis who are seeking a peaceful and hopefully just solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is disgusting.

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  44. Sandy says:

    Tom S says: “Godwin’s calling….”
    From Wikipedia:
    There is a tradition in many online discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically “lost” whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin’s Law. Thus Godwin’s Law effectively serves to impose an upper bound on thread length in general. It is considered poor form to raise arbitrarily such a comparison with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized codicil that any such ulterior-motive invocation of Godwin’s Law will be unsuccessful (this is sometimes referred to as “Quirk’s Exception”).[5]
    Godwin’s Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi regime. Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one’s opponent) with Hitler or Nazis.
    However, Godwin’s Law can itself also be abused,
    as a distraction or diversion,
    that fallaciously miscasts
    an opponent’s argument as hyperbole,
    especially if the comparisons
    made by the argument
    are actually appropriate.”
    So, Tom S., you are calling Gadfly a “racist”???

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  45. Tom S says:

    Gadfly:
    Godwin’s calling. However bad the Palestinian refugee camps may be, they have a long way to go before they match the standards of Nazi concentration camps and ghettos (unless you have evidence that the Jews and others confined in them were armed, carried out firefights against each other for political primacy, and launched rockets into the surrounding areas).
    It is a pity that the Bush administration’s disastrous policies in the Middle East–including its willingness to give Israel carte blanche–have empowered those who have trouble distinguishing between Israel and Nazi Germany, with the all the racist implications that go with it.

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  46. Sandy says:

    Gadfly! I’m here CHEERING!!! Are you running for anything next year? Oh, please do!
    How eloquently, accurately, and comprehensively you have covered nearly all the most important issues.
    Well done!
    HOORAY for Gadfly! HOORAY!!!

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  47. GoRonGo says:

    Wow, Gadfly — for a second there I thought that you were me 😉 Way to go Gadfly, way to go…

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  48. Gadfly says:

    P.S. The nazi-style ghettos-cum-concentration-camps which constitute the borders of the areaa in which the Palestinians have been herded by the Israelis are both illegal under international law and also immoral. Until a true Palestine is created with contiguous borders that permit the Palestinian people to live in a nation– instead of prison camps– no peace will ever be achieved.
    Of course, AIPAC (the Israeli party which controls Congress, the Executive– and ergo, U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East) is declared a foreign agent of a foreign country, the American people will continue to be exploited and abused as cannon-fodder & de-frauded and impoverished as funders of the Israeli war machine.
    Please oust all Congressmen-and-women irrespective of political party who pander to AIPAC, instead of placing the American people and our nation’s best interest first-and-forement. For Israeli interests and the desires of the extreme right-wing Likud Party are at odds with U.S. interests in the Middle East. Moreover, that Israel can get the U.S. to invade Middle East nations- occupy them illegally- and, act as the bully-boy in the region, is NOT in our interests.

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  49. Gadfly says:

    Daniel Levy would surely deserve much praise in the event that he could influence U.S. foreign policy to establish a fair-minded peace-deal between the Palestinians & Israelis.
    Of course, such a deal would indeed require that Israel’s “national security” be safe-guarded– although ironically, Israel is the only Mideast nation with nuclear weapons; a $3 billion subsidy for weapons & military armaments from the U.S. taxpayers (rubber-stamped every year); and, who enjoys U.S. support irrespective of their persecution of the Palestinians & their illegal & immoral assault upon their neighbors (e.g. Lebanon)… Such a deal would also require that the Palestinians obtain their rightful due:– a contiguous Palestinian state, whereby the land stolen by Israel, in the years following Israel’s creation, be returned. Palestinians would also need to have their own “national security” safe-guarded from neo-con right-wing aggression.
    For, the neo-fascist right-wing extreme Likud Party, run by terrorists like Netanyahu, is no different from the most extreme radicals in the Hamas movement– excepting that Hamas are poor & the Likud terrorists are rich with tanks & massive weaponry. Over 10 Palestinians are killed for every Israeli killed. Hmmm…
    Ergo, a fair-minded and balanced approach will be required for a peace deal… And, quite frankly, such fair-minded & humane deals will never be achieved whilst the corrupt neo-con Bushies are in power– and, whilst the extreme right-wing Likud terrorist party has a voice. The neo-con, Likud & Hamas terrorist movements must all be squashed by their respective populations.
    And, the ludicrous & mendacious propaganda being spewed that Rice is any different from Cheney is so outrageous and contradicted by the facts– that such lies should be exposed. For Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove, et. al.– ALL do not want peace– for these traitors foresee sitting on the boards of their pimps in Big Oil, Carlyle Group, Halliburton, Bechtel, Lockheed Martin, and the other corporations included in the Military Industrial Complex– all of whom lust for war. There is no “realist” movement in the insane neo-con Bushite regime.
    Refer to:– “Rice to Israel: Don’t push Syria peace” on http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527965433&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
    Rice is a liar- traitor- and oil whore who marches to the drum-beat of war which the corporate fascists & the Likud Party terrorists beat, beat, and beat loudly!… Wake-up America! Daniel Levy has an up-hill battle to fight to achieve peace!

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