Media Alert: Countdown with Keith Olbermann on Political Fear-Mongering

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Keith%20Olbermann.jpgTonight, about 8:15 pm EST, I will be chatting with Keith Olbermann about Afghanistan, terrorism, and Republican leadership attempts to undermine trust in Obama’s management of America’s security.
McConnell’s operation in the Senate has been distributing talking points in the wake of his return from an Afghanistan visit that say that soldiers are “dangerously preoccupied” with the rights of detainees and confused by Obama’s leadership.
Only problem for Mitch McConnell is that polling shows that the public strongly supports Obama’s management of the “underwear bomber” terrorist attempt and the steps he has taken since.
A new CBS poll shows that 57% of Americans approve of the way Obama has responded to the nearly disastrous Christmas day bombing.
— Steve Clemons

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31 comments on “Media Alert: Countdown with Keith Olbermann on Political Fear-Mongering

  1. Outraged American says:

    Jiggley Bits are edible. Olbermann and Maddow seem to breakfast
    on them regularly in between shilling for the limited hang-out New
    World Order. And I’m only half kidding. Time to go jiggle my bits.

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  2. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Although the screeners would probably get off on my and every other womans’ jiggley bits”
    “Jiggley bits”???? Sounds like a good name for a breakfast ceral.

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  3. Outraged American says:

    You take your chances every single day of your life. One obvious
    stooge sets fire to his undies and the world turns into 1984.
    Shameful, absurd, and if I had been a philosophy major, like I’m
    pretty sure Questions and Norheim were, I’d be questioning WHY
    THE F ARE WE SUCH COWARDLY PANSIES, since it’s obvious that no
    rational world exists.
    I’ll take the risk of underwear bombers over full body screens.
    Although the screeners would probably get off on my and every
    other womans’ jiggley bits.

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  4. questions says:

    Thanks for the thanks, David!
    Carroll, again, how much bang for the buck….
    And as for rockets bursting in air, my guess is that it has to be a two stage attack — the rocket and then the suicide. It’s probably not super easy to escape from such an area. What are the chances you can get people to do things like this? It’s not a battlefield with comrades where battlefield psychology takes over. This well-shouldered loner is not being fired on, he’s attacking while the geese fly by, and the boats meander about and the waves rock gently….
    I don’t know a thing about things that go boom, so maybe a weapons expert out there could comment on how likely it would be to get a shoulder-mounted thing that goes boom to the edge of a runway, aim it, fire it, and not get caught.
    At some point, the gov’t wanted to open up a “market” in which people could bet on various ways to go boom. It was tossed out as immoral and as possibly giving ideas to th’enemy. Maybe we could start one here?! And Carroll, you could go first since you spend so much time wanting to blow things up or burn them down anyway.

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  5. Carroll says:

    I have also wondered Maw about those shoulder fired missiles being used at airports.
    Or perhaps even on ships. Although I don’t know their power or range there are lots of ports where boats run right along beside ships coming in.
    We are also boaters, and go in and out ports like the one at Morehead City that the Camp Lejune Marines use….on any given day in the summer there can be close to a hundred boats going in and out the inlet and riding along side or in the wake of the cargo vessels going to harbor. Oddly enough this week Morehead City was under a non mandatory evecuation becuase a forklift moving cargo punctured a container full of an explosive material that supposedly emits some kind of gas.
    Most people didn’t leave but they were told to stay away from the port, which is only three blocks from the main part of the town.
    There are just too many easier targets for terriers to fool around with plane and airport security.

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  6. David says:

    Once again, thanks, questions.

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  7. Maw of America says:

    Like Carroll, I’ve been curious about the odd modus operandi of the terriers. I’m a sailor and in entertainment, so my story sense paired with my recreation tells me that a insidious terrier could appropriate a sailboat in Mexico or Canada and be off the coast of LA relatively undetected. Right in the middle of the Santa Monica Bay, fully-loaded passenger jets take off, presenting a big fat target for a shoulder-fired missile from a marine platform. Heck, you could probably take one out with a 50-caliber gun. At the very least, the mayhem would cripple our naval and air transportation system while fear was stoked by the right and the ill-named Homeland Security Department scrambled to remedy the holes. Holes that can never be filled if we are to remain a practical democracy.
    Coming soon to a theater near you!

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  8. questions says:

    Carroll,
    Poisoning water supplies is far more complex than you seem to realize. Anything that disperses weakens with dispersal. Gas and water disperse. Their effects are severely limited. When that group in Japan (?Aum Shinrikyo??) used poison gas, they limited it to a particular subway station to help avoid the dispersal problem. The casualties are low with dispersal substances.
    Malls don’t have large numbers of people in them in one place where a bomb can do significant damage. In crowds, the bodies of those close to the bombers end up protecting those further from the bombers.
    In malls, there are quite possibly a number of distractions that might interfere with a bombing, psychologically speaking.
    Cafes and restaurants in huge countries also have limited appeal — not very concentrated populations, a chance of being stopped easily, a decent chance of the bomber’s being distracted, and the sheer distance between cities means that what happens in one city doesn’t really affect others unless that one city’s damage is vast.
    Blowing up a plane over a city causes air and ground damage. Crashing planes into buildings turns out to kill a lot of people and cause city-wide destruction.
    Damage to air travel reverberates through the airline industry into all shipping, all travel, all tourism, hotels, and the like. Hitting a mall hits, well, a mall.
    There may also be less creativity among planners. It’s actually possible that all those “number 3 in al-Qaeda” people we keep assassinating might have been important. Intel work might, umm, work!
    And remember, a-Q is a brand name now, not a tightly knit organization with central planners. Ineptitude is not shocking. Copy-catting is not shocking. Failure is not shocking.
    There are not huge numbers of people around who really are capable of suicide attacks. There are, as I’ve pointed out, huge huge numbers of people who have been wounded directly or indirectly by US actions and policies, harmed psychically by the same, who have come to hate aspects of the US. Only an infinitesimal number in comparison actually go through the blow up thing. So how many people are there who would REALLY happily strap on a bomb and walk into a cafe and see actual people’s actual faces and actual cups of coffee and not prefer to sit and have a cup and bitch about US policies instead? Some, clearly. But not lots.
    If it were really planned by your favorite enemy, maybe there’d be more professionalism? Oh, but then we’d know that it was professional, so they fake us out by being amateurs. But then we know that they know…. Yikes.

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  9. Carroll says:

    There is something totally off about the terrier threat here in the US.
    If it is such a threat where are all the terriers?
    Why do they show up only on planes?
    Why aren’t they just taking their bombs into terminals and blowing themselves up there?
    Or into malls,where they could kill just as many people.
    Or colleges? Or cafes and restaurants and so on?
    If I were a terrorist and wanted to sow real panic I would be doing it out in the heartland where there are thousands of unprotected targets….poisoning water supplies, going into concerts and pulling my plug there.
    The targets the terriers keep choosing don’t make sense.

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  10. Carroll says:

    There is something totally off about the terrier threat here in the US.
    If it is such a threat where are all the terriers?
    Why do they show up only on planes?
    Why aren’t they just taking their bombs into terminals and blowing themselves up there?
    Or into malls,where they could kill just as many people.
    Or colleges? Or cafes and restaurants and so on?
    If I were a terrorist and wanted to sow real panic I would be doing it out in the heartland where there are thousands of unprotected targets….poisoning water supplies, going into concerts and pulling my plug there.
    The targets the terriers keep choosing don’t make sense.

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  11. JohnH says:

    Kotz–as a matter of fact I do carefully consider
    what my doctors prescribe. My dentist, for example,
    seems to be in the business of creating demand for
    her products and services. As a result, I carefully
    weigh what she says. Just like my auto mechanic.
    You should be equally suspicious of “security
    professionals” bearing alarming stories. You need to
    develop a little awareness of how the real world
    works.

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  12. Dan Kervick says:

    “Are you claiming the threat suicide bombers pose to the U.S. is mythical?”
    I’m claiming that I work and associate with a large variety of Americans everyday, and that very few of them seem to give the threat of suicide bombers or other terrorists more than a passing thought. And I’m suggesting that you would understand that better if you visited us, instead of taking in a distorted picture through the wingnutosphere.

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  13. bob h says:

    I can’t really believe McConnell is doing this, but it is somewhat reminiscent of Trent Lott’s failure to support Clinton’s escalation to save the Bosnians.

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  14. TonyForesta says:

    Wingnuts, the gop, and their lockstep partisans in redneck amerika hoist any admonition against Obama as godzwill, or the word of god. These ignorant idiots do no bother to examine the facts and details of reality or events in the field, since facts and details would render their little nazi pipedreams nothing more than fictions and myths. Better to live by the lie. Obama has failed poor and middleclass Americans but the nazi’s in the gop and their lockstep partisans in redneck amerika are the cause of our destruction of America, and the bane of humanity. The sooner these fiends and shaitans are put back in the keep, the better for the rest of civilized humanity.
    The socalled conspiracies are truths, if we only muster the courage to examine them. All our politicians are bought and paid for, but the gop is particularly pernicious and evil, and nothing those fiends and shaitans spout has more dignity or moral clarity than a shout. A pox on the house of the gop, for they are an evil and fiendish brood, and never to be trusted or believed.

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  15. kotzabasis says:

    JamesL, and JohnH
    When one goes to see his doctor or lawyer for expert advise because one lacks such advise do you consider such person to be stupid? I don’t. So it’s you “that you’d have been run out of town in a rail.” And you JohnH would not visit your doctor because he would get a profit from giving you his expert advise? For this ‘reason’ would you rather be prone to visit a quack?
    Kervick
    I fail to see that the number of my visits to the United States would have changed the “natural instinct of fear” all people have in fearsome circumstances. Are you claiming the threat suicide bombers pose to the U.S. is mythical?

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  16. JohnH says:

    Kotz apparently thinks that all security related
    decisions should be left to professionals, who stand
    to profit from the decisions or who have their own
    agendas. Basically, the public should turn all
    authority over to generals and covert operators who
    will surely protect us from everyone but
    themselves…
    Are you feeling secure yet?

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  17. JamesL says:

    Cost basis says the American public is too stupid to be allowed to determine what and who is dangerous. Maybe true now Costa, but fifty years ago, or anytme before that, you’d have been run out of town in a rail. Americans didn’t use to like being called stupid, or that their masters knew better. Now it a badge of honor.

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  18. Dan Kervick says:

    Kotz,
    How frequently do you actually visit the United States?

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  19. kotzabasis says:

    The public is far from being an EXPERT in security concerns and for one to quote polls on this important issue shows how deficient one is in the analysis of security and on the methods needed to increase this security from the continuous threats and random attacks of terrorists.
    To do so is not “political fear-mongering” but political realism and awareness to the alarming threats of a deadly and persistent enemy. And people, like Kervick, who inferentially claim that the NATURAL instinct of fear that all people have toward an unprecedented and evidently deadly enemy, like the suicide bombers, is afflicting ONLY Republicans, is intellectually laughable as well as his attempt to DENATURE 2/3rds of Americans from this natural instinct of fear. But alas, intellectual pretenders have no shame.

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  20. JamesL says:

    Dan Kervick, typo: “To call contemporary Republicans “fear-MONGERS” gives them too much credit. The most salient characteristic of the contemporary Republican Party faithful is that they are “inveterate” fear CONSUMERS.”
    It’s “invertebrate” Dan. Glad to help.

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  21. WigWag says:

    Thank you, Jackie. I was taking a little vacation from the Washington Note, but it’s nice to be back.

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  22. Dan Kervick says:

    To call contemporary Republicans “fear-MONGERS” gives them too much credit. The most salient characteristic of the contemporary Republican Party faithful is that they are inveterate fear CONSUMERS. In fact, its hard to avoid noticing how terrified today’s Republicans are about virtually everything. That’s perhaps why they buy so many guns. Aside from their fears of the usual – terrorists, foreigners, black people, gay people, Mexicans – we can add that the members of the species Homo Republicanus are also afraid of knowledge, the future, the past, and about 2/3rds of their fellow-Americans.
    The party should consider replacing their traditional elephant mascot with an image of an old woman clutching her purse and her mace, while glancing nervously over her shoulder.

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  23. Lurker says:

    Superb job Steve, as usual. Loved your line on Cheney and
    slasher movies. And “Kafkaesque”! Brilliant touch.

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  24. Mr.Murder says:

    For David’s comment: conscientious?
    Who has said “dangerously preoccupied” directly? Follow this up, let’s hear from whomever has trouble following orders. Certainly the GOP has an entire slew of people who think this way and would speak out.
    Maybe someone in a dusty locale has intel that Mitch is actually a double agent for AQ recruitment and wants to inspire more resistance against the USA by being so inflamatory to process. Certainly a reward could be issued to such an assertion and have some hungry person in a war torn land claim as much. Mitch would waive his own rights in such an instance?

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  25. JohnH says:

    “There is every reason to believe that the Pashtuns
    are as disgusted with their terrorist brethren as
    most of the rest of the world.” But, Wigwag, you
    haven’t answered the question about who Pashtuns are
    most disgusted with–the Taliban or the US? And, if
    what you say is true, why does the Taliban control
    so much of the country when there is another
    alternative?

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  26. David says:

    So long as one does not fall into the trap of thinking Mitch McConnell has even a hint of itellectual integrity, being the primary bagman for the Republican national machine, and understands him rather for the point man for Republican power lust that he is, his behavior makes sense. Otherwise, it would be confusing that he could be so opposed to offering any assistance to the President as he attempts to solve the major problems besetting this nation.
    Would that the Republicans were led by someone of Lincoln Chaffee’s stature and the party were driven by the political values and insights which drive Lincoln Chaffee. They are much better, of course, at driving people like Lincoln Chaffee and the consciousness-changed Chuck Hagel away.

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  27. Jackie says:

    WigWag,
    Where have you been lately? I hadn’t noticed your absence until you showed up today, but now I’m wondering where you have been of late. Nice to see you again.
    Jackie

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  28. ... says:

    must be the terrorist gene….

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  29. WigWag says:

    You think this is a bombshell, JohnH?
    This theory has been around for decades and there is actually some evidence (admittedly meager to back it up).
    There are Pashtuns who have claimed for generations that they are descended from the ancient Israelites. To this day there are even Pashtun tribes that practice a form of Islam that incorporate rites that some claim were once used by the Israelites.
    But here’s the bombshell for you, JohnH, while you may think that all Pashtuns are affiliated with the Taliban or Al Qaeda, you are sadly mistaken. There is every reason to believe that the Pashtuns are as disgusted with their terrorist brethren as most of the rest of the world.
    You should read “To Live or To Perish Forever” by Nick Schmidle; he has a whole section on terrorist hating Pashtuns.
    You could also check the Wikipedia entry on all of this; it is pretty accurate.

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  30. JohnH says:

    Here’s a bombshell–Taliban may be Jews!
    Navras Aafreedi, a leading researcher on the Lost
    Tribes of Israel, said the DNA investigation could
    have major modern repercussions.
    “It could be seen as scientific validation of
    traditional belief about the Israelite origin of
    [Pashtuns] and can have interesting ramifications
    for Muslim-Jew relations in particular and the
    world at large,” he said.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afg
    hanistan/6967224/Taliban-may-be-descended-from-
    Jews.html
    So which side will Israel take–the US side, or
    the side of the descendants of Jews turned Muslim?
    Given their relationship with other descendants of
    Abraham, those pesky Semites called Palestinians,
    I’m not optimistic. On the other hand, accepting
    the Taliban as Jews could quadruple the number of
    Jews worldwide.

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