May We Never Confuse Honest Dissent with Disloyal Subversion

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(portrait of President Dwight Eisenhower by Mike Hagel; hanging in Senator Chuck Hagel’s private Senate office)
Joe Lieberman may lament what he considers to be the shift of the Democratic Party, but he may also want to reflect on how neoconservatives have so dramatically changed and warped the Republican Party in foreign policy.
Spend some time with these lines from Eisenhower, gathered together for The Washington Note by regular reader Michael Beaver. They remind me of Senator Chuck Hagel’s anger about reckless wars of choice in the Middle East, his view that we need a new centrist social contract across our nation, that we need to make America an example that inspires others around the world — not a nation that tries to force feed democracy down the throats of others. This reminds me of the time Chuck Hagel gave a speech for the New America Foundation in which he said posing questions to the White House about matters of war and peace was not disloyal and was absolutely patriotic.
If I was in Barack Obama’s shoes and Hillary Clinton had turned down my offer to run as Vice President, I’d go with Eisenhower in a unity ticket — and because Eisenhower is not available, I’d go for Chuck Hagel. John McCain couldn’t put a ticket together to beat that combo.
From TWN reader Michael Beaver’s Eisenhower-isms roster:

How far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
I despise people who go to the gutter on either the right or the left and hurl rocks at those in the center.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower

I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.

— Dwight D. Eisenhower
If men can develop weapons that are so terrifying as to make the thought of global war include almost a sentence for suicide, you would think that man’s intelligence and his comprehension. . . would include also his ability to find a peaceful solution.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower

If you want total security, go to prison. There you’re fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking. . . is freedom.

— Dwight D. Eisenhower
In most communities it is illegal to cry “fire” in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve local political aims?
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
Only Americans can hurt America.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
War settles nothing.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower

We seek peace, knowing that peace is the climate of freedom.

— Dwight D. Eisenhower
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war.
— Dwight D. Eisenhower

— Steve Clemons

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35 comments on “May We Never Confuse Honest Dissent with Disloyal Subversion

  1. grouchomarxist says:

    Great quotes, but let’s not go overboard with the Eisenhower hagiography.
    For one thing, he pretty much owed his presidency to his party’s willingness, hell, eagerness to “confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion”. (HUAC? Joe McCarthy, anyone?) One of his administration’s first acts on taking office was to strengthen and extend the “loyalty reviews” — and make appealing them much harder.
    That powerful warning about the Military-Industrial complex’s “unwarranted influence” came at the end of his administration, after he’d spent eight years stoking that insatiable and by then thoroughly entrenched maw. It would shown a great deal more political and moral courage to have made that speech in … say, 1954, when it might have made a real difference.
    Plus, let’s not forget the two greatest foreign policy “gifts” his Cold Warriors bequeathed to the next administration: The Bay of Pigs, and State/CIA’s torpedoing the negotiated, U.N.-mandated election in 1956 that was to have led to the reunification of North and South Vietnam. Now that’s what I call respect for democracy!
    You know, maybe centrism — or at least this kind of centrism — ain’t all it’s cracked up to be.

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  2. David says:

    Yes, I remember now reading it at the time. Good to be reminded of it, and a must read for anyone who hasn’t read it.
    I learned about Naomi Klein from watching Democracy Now on Link TV. Before that, I had listened to Democracy Now on WMNF in Tampa and had come to respect and appreciate Amy Goodman as an honest-to-god investigative journalist of the first order. Naomi Klein is, quite simply, in a league of her own, and as superb and credible an investigative journalist as Sy Hersh, but who fills a different need. He gets insiders in the military to talk to him, she went where the story was this time around. And she understands, and explains quite compellingly, the disaster capitalism that is the dominant model, with all the catastrophic consequences of that misbegotten malignancy which destroys actual world-wide free enterprise and civilized entrepeneurship, and which apparently will not tolerate any other models for human economic activity. And when someone as successful and as decent and public spirited as George Soros comes along, instead of praise and gratitude, he is confronted with villification by the champions of disaster capitalism.
    Granted, I’m speaking in generalities, but best I can tell, they are valid generalities.

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  3. TokyoTom says:

    Steve, I don’t see what Hagel can bring to the Obama campaign that Jim Webb couldn’t do better. Hagel has greater negatives among Republicans than Webb, and Webb has greater appeal among rural white voters.

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  4. digdug says:

    Why didn’t Hagel speak out against our invasion and occupation of
    Iraq before it was politically safe to do so?
    Hagel’s leadership and “vision” was sorely lacking when the chips
    were down. He said not a word, nor lifted a finger, nor evidenced
    any true leadership when it really mattered. Back when all the lives
    and resources could of been saved.
    Hagel is one of the prime enablers of this mess. He has much to
    answer for, and should not be doing it from a VP or cabinet
    position. The last thing we need is to reward political cowardice
    with prime leadership positions.

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  5. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “I agree with you – it deserved a Pulitzer”
    Yet, instead, Bremer got a “Presidential Medal of Freedom”.
    Welcome to Bushworld.

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  6. arthurdecco says:

    Thanks for the link, POA. I needed to re-read Ms. Klein’s article. & I agree with you – it deserved a Pulitzer.

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  7. PissedOffAmerican says:

    David……..
    I think you started posting here after I had refreshed my admonition to the readers here to read Naomi Klein’s circa 2004 piece she wrote for Harpers, entitled “Baghdad Year Zero; Pillaging Iraq in Pursuit of a Neocon Utopia”
    Heres a link to it in case you haven’t read it.
    She should have gotten a Pulitzer for it.
    http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2004/09/baghdad-year-zero-pillaging-iraq-pursuit-neo-con-utopia

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  8. David says:

    Thanks for that link, POA. As accurate a description of the Warcrime against Iraq as it is unfolding in Iraq as I have yet read. Unfortunately, the West still refuses to take the higher moral ground, so only American voters can reverse this “superpower” imperial quest, but first they have to comprehend it.
    Democrats in Congress demanding that there be no permanent bases in Iraq are on the right course. But then Bobblehead Perino repeats the lie that there is no such thing as permanent bases. Orwell was so correct that it hurts.

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  9. Mr.Murder says:

    Unity tickets, from the realm of the magical unity ponies.
    Here in the world of realists we’d rather see Sen. Clinton ask Sen.Webb to be in the ticket.
    That’s as close to Ike as you will get right now, in the person of Senator Webb.

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  10. TonyForesta says:

    The answer karenck is none. Americans should not be willing (in the current context) to concede any particle of our freedom, to defend our freedom.
    Do any of you socalled experts expect this American to believe that a bunch of primitive, perverted, cavemen, and jihadist mass murderers threaten America? Please present some (one piece of of evidence to support this wild and partisan claim). Jihadists are only a threat to America if the American government cravenly ignores dire warnings of imminent threats, conducts war games mirroring the imminent threats, cloaks and shields the Saudi financiers funding the cells tasked with executing those threats, and/or is complicit in the prosecution of the those threats. Jihadist are a threat to America only if the US government enables the jihadists to prosecute threats to America, which is exactly what the fascists in the Bush government are responsible, culpable, and accountable for allowing to happen.
    If America is so blind and stupid to allow stateless, Saudi financed jihadist massmurder gangs to execute attacks on America, – then we deserve what ever fiery pit and hell the fascists in the Bush government (who allowed, enabled, supported, and cloaked, these very actions to occur on the PearHarborlikeevent of 9/11) hurl us into.
    “Deliver us from evil!”

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  11. karenk says:

    “The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without.”
    Adapted to today’s environment one might say something similar, like, How much of our freedom are we willing to give up to defend our freedom?

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  12. PissedOffAmerican says:

    A good read, bringing us up to date, beyond Naomi Klein’s early revelations about this clusterfuck in Iraq………
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE24Ak03.html

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  13. sdemetri says:

    Pentagon survivor April Gallop relating what she was told TO say
    and what NOT to say having survived the attack on the Pentagon in
    an office about 35 to 45 feet from the impact zone on September
    11.
    Barbara Honegger, first conscientious resignee from the Reagan
    Administration talks about her research on the attack on the
    Pentagon.
    http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=20839

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  14. ... says:

    training terrorists in the usa at the school of america’s and etc are supposed to be acceptable????????????? jeez, when do americans try putting the shoe on the other foot, or waking up to how others see it?? the usa and it’s politicians would do better to concentrate on its own backyard rather then pontificating on what has to happen in other countries around the world… oh i forgot… that is not a recipe for making war, is it????
    carroll, that was funny!

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  15. David says:

    I watched Obama’s speech to the CANF. Pay very close attention to exactly what he says. None of those words are carelessly chosen. Some of the things he says he has to say if he is serious about seeking the presidency. But listen closely for what possibilities he keeps open versus what possibilities might be precluded.
    If he precludes the United States seeking to again overthrow Chavez’s government, all kinds of positive possibilities are opened up.
    Also note that he says that if terrorists are training in Venezuela, that is unacceptable. And his calls for freedom, at least in that speech, do not call for democracy at gunpoint.
    His speech to the CANF would of necessity be his most hardline speech, and I heard nothing in it that would point to the traditional approach in the Americas of low-intensity warfare or treating the rest of the Americas as “junior” partners. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    And the fact that he worked in Roosevelt’s Four Freedoms speaks volumns. Only thing to watch out for, I think, is whether or not he would embrace FDR’s greatest mistake regarding the Americas not El Norte: Yes, but he’s our bastard. That is the one legacy of FDR that needs to be left in the dustbin of history.
    But Obama is a new kind of aspirant to the White House who is at the same time very smart (maybe the smartest ever), very knowledgeable, and quite viable. In fact, I am convinced he will be 44, and I think he will not disappoint.
    Note: Chaffee did the right thing and left the contemporary Republican Party, has endorsed Obama, and has spoken quite candidly about the failings of the senators on both sides of the aisle who voted for the authorization for the president to choose war. My former senator, and honest, insightful person, Bob Graham, as chairman of the intelligence committee, did not. I am still angry that senators who should have paid attention to that fact did not.

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  16. Syed Qamar Afzal Rizvi says:

    Eisenhower’s so called political liberalism,Roosevelt’s new deal and Trueman’s containment speak of very much about tactical doctrine to be featured in the US foreign policy.

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  17. JohnH says:

    Headline you won’t see: As McCain ventures outside the beltway, average Americans have doubts about his understanding of economics, healthcare, and the Middle East.

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  18. Carroll says:

    Headline
    May 22, 2008
    As Obama Heads to Florida, Jewish americans Have Doubts About His Israel Policy
    May 23, 2008
    As Obama Heads to Minnesota, Swedish-Americans Have Doubts About His Sweden Policy
    LOL

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  19. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Michael Beaver…….
    Hagel was not accused of stealing votes, although many have insinuated as much. His “crime”, if it rose to such a designation, (and I happen to believe it did), was committed against the disclosure laws.
    And, I have to say, it always astounds me how willing people such as yourself are to ignore the past legal transgressions of their own personal political shining stars by spewing forth with the time worn “They all do it” canard. It is that exact attitude that has robbed “the people” of any power over the ethics and conduct of their so called “representatives”. And it has brought us to this point, where the highest offices exhibit blatant and wanton disrespect for the rule of law, and any truly ethical and moral public servant doesn’t stand a preacher’s chance in hell of achieving high office. So, big deal, Hagel got a free pass. Do you assume, should you or I find ourselves in legal trouble, that we will get the same “Get Out of Jail Free Card”?
    Rove was just subpoenaed by Conyers. Watch carefully in the next few months to see what your kind of “they all do it” attitude has wrought on our checks and balances.
    Ironically, it is the citizen’s acceptance of “they all do it” that is the guarantee that we will never have another DDE in office.

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  20. questions says:

    POA,
    When I started reading the GWB quotations, my first response was that these had to be like the Dan Quayle “I wish I had studied Latin in school so that I could have an easier time In Latin America” — that is, believable, but fake. Then I realized they were real.
    Thanks for the memories!

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  21. leo says:

    Hagel – honest dissent
    Clinton – dishonest subversion?

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  22. mavis says:

    POA, the GWB quotes are great!
    Michael, thanks for the Eisenhower-isms. Here are some of my thoughts.
    I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.
    — Dwight D. Eisenhower
    I think about this concept alot. Here I sit, in my comfortable home, in my safe neighborhood wondering what qualifies me to really have a feeling on war. I have not lived it. However, even with my lack of experience, I feel justified in hating it.
    I despise people who go to the gutter on either the right or the left and hurl rocks at those in the center.
    — Dwight D. Eisenhower
    This is why I try to “stay in the solution”. I try to find out real information, with fact and data to back up how I feel. Going to extremes only makes us look like fools and sometimes dims an other wise brilliant message.
    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
    — Dwight D. Eisenhower
    Help isn’t help unless it’s asked for.

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  23. TonyForesta says:

    Eisenhower’s worst nightmares, or most daring warnings have tragically come to fruition under the fascists in the Bush government, whose inteconnectivity and interpenetration with, and control of the military industrial complex, as well the Private Military, Private Intelligence, and Private PR industrial complexes, – that the “counsels of government” failed to curb, or constrain, or hold accountable in any way, – have indeed forever tarnished and crippled America with “the disastrous rise of misplaced power”
    If only Eisenhower were alive to condemn the fascist ideologies and policies matasticizing in our own government that he so valiantly worked to defeat as Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe during WWII, – perhaps the costly bloody, noendinsight horrors, dismembering of the Constitution, and rank lawlessness of the Bush government could have been contained.
    Hagel is one of a handful of republicans who deserve any respect, goodwill, goodfaith, or trust from the American people. The rest of the gop are lockstep partisans in bed with the fascists following the tyranny of dear leader and his fascist hobgobblins into the pit with absolutely no concern for America or Americans. If the gop, and that includes McCain had any concern for America, or Americans they would have joined their fellow Americans in demanding accountability from the pathological liars fascists, criminals, and wanton profiteers. They did not, and so they are damned, and must carry into the future the terrible weight of the Bush governments crimes, betrayals, perversions, deceptions, failures, abuses, and wanton profiteering.
    Of course most of those same republicans have themselves benefited exceedingly well under the lawlessness, perversions, betrayals, financial malfeasance, woeful lack of accounting or accountability, predations, deceptions, abuses, fascist machinations, and wanton profiteering bruted and practiced by the fascists in the Bush government, so they can slink away into oppulent retirements. But the historical record of this nightmarish time will not be so comfortable or kind.
    Unfortunately for the gop; Bush, azmodeous – I mean cheney and all the fascist hobgobblins in the Bush government, and the gop, and all the truebelievers funamentalist evangelical freaks who defended, supported, excused or ignored the Bush governments systemic shaming, dismantling and reengineering of the Constitution and America are indeed radioactive. They are indeed toxic. Forever.
    So in no way under any circumstances should any republican (including unfortunately the few decent republicans like Hagel, Snowe, and Chafee) be considered for any position in the office of the executive. American needs the wipe the slate clean and remove the radioactive elements, and toxic debris of the gop to the lower tier positions of leadership. The fascists need to be returned to the keep. The wingnutsia truebelieves and brutes in redneck America need to be forever marginalized and shamed for proselytizing and propagandizing a criminal regime, and sliming there fellow Americans who dared to question, challenge, dissent with, or oppose the fascists in the Bush government.
    America wants and needs, and must endeavor real change! A complete change of leadership is necessary now if there is to be any hope of restoring America to its former greatness.
    Centrists walk a delicate line. The inertia of resistance to the gop and the fascist in the Bush government here in the land of Oz, and through-out the world will push America to the left of center. We witness the seeds of this movement in the Democratic party contest for president between a woman and a man of color. So centrists must accept that theright and therights ideas are severely tarnished, if not permanently damned.
    For many Americans and most of the world the fascists in the Bush government and thier partisan enablers in the gop, and the truebelievers in redneck amerika are “radioactive”, and toxic.
    It is time for real, complete, and total change.

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  24. Michael Beaver says:

    Dear PissedOff…I forgot this other IKE quote,
    “I despise people who go to the gutter on either the right or the left and hurl rocks at those in the center.”
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    I was not living in Nebraska in 1996 during the ES&S voting machines, I did vote for Nelson via absentee ballot. I wonder if they counted my vote?
    I would consider myself a liberal…(but in the State of Nebraska, I tell “folks” I am an open-minded conservative!!)
    Maybe with Hagel’s past history in the Army, he was able to steal the ballots from those of us who were serving.
    Maybe there was no GOP momentum after the 1994 elections that energized the Nebraska Republican base to turnout to vote in a State that is over 60% registered Republican…I don’t know,maybe if we could prove any of these purple hazed “links” we could throw all the politicians in jail!!!
    In the 1976 GOP Presidential Primary,Reagan took 55% of the vote over Omaha native son Gerald Ford, who only got 45% of the vote…where was Hagel then?? A back room vote counter maybe??
    I think Steven endorsed Hagel anyway oh Mr. informed one…my choice was Daschle…but hey…who is counting here?
    If you ever studied past elections in the history of the United States of America you would find voter fraud everywhere. It is truely the only time that the dead come back to cast their vote, or local city precinct captains and ward commiteemen help the little old ladies cast their vote for the “correct” politician.
    If we get all the crooks in jail…then how do we slay the real dragon in American politics – The Federal Bureaucracy?
    Cheers to all and have a great Memorial weekend!
    Beav

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  25. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Michael Beaver……..
    How do you feel about Hagel’s past actions in regards to ES&S???
    Or are you another one of these folks that believes we should give our politicians a free pass on possibly or apparently criminal behaviour?
    Or hey, you can just choose to ignore it, and hope the majority of the public is too ignorant, too apathetic, and too misinformed to actually care whether or not they are endorsing a crook. And guess what? You would probably be right.

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  26. Michael Beaver says:

    I respect Steven’s choice for an Obama VP, Sen. Hagel, he sent me a personal hand written note seven days after the Nov.2nd 2004 election, an election that kept Bush and his party in control of national government.
    Here is a part of his note,” we must bring back fiscal responsibility and common sense. I’ll keep at it. Thank you for your support. I’ll make a decision on my political future over the next couple of years.
    Regards, Chuck H.”
    Hagel has a great ability to follow his own “common sense”, he is a reality based individual that would make a great choice for an Obama VP slot.
    But I will break with Steven’s choice of a VP and announce who will be the VP on the Obama ticket this fall… Sen. Tom Daschle.
    Tom will be the next President of the United States Senate,Hillary will become the next Majority Leader and Clinton/Daschle revenge on the GOP will be in place over the Upper Chamber.
    Think about it…after the Clintons left D.C. the last man standing for the Dems was Daschle…
    Sweet revenge…I love election predictions…

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  27. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “In a time of war, the president must have the power he needs to make the tough decisions, including, if need be, the decision to grant himself even more power.”
    George W. Bush
    “It’s time for the human race to enter the solar system.”
    George W. Bush
    “The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country.”
    George W. Bush
    “It isn’t pollution that’s harming the environment. It’s the impurities in our air and water that are doing it. ”
    George W. Bush
    “These people are trying to shake the will of the Iraqi citizens, and they want us to leave…I think the world would be better off if we did leave…”
    George W. Bush
    “I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.”
    George W. Bush
    “If we don’t succeed, we run the risk of failure.”
    George W. Bush
    “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
    George W. Bush
    Well, I think if you say you’re going to do something and don’t do it, that’s trustworthiness.
    George W. Bush
    “I believe God wants me to be president.”
    George W. Bush
    [I was] “chosen by the grace of God to lead at that moment.”
    George W. Bush
    “God told me to strike at al-Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East.”
    George W. Bush
    “I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job.”
    George W. Bush
    “Iraq and Afghanistan …are now democracies and they are allies in the cause of freedom and peace.”
    George W. Bush
    “See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”
    George W. Bush
    “I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.”
    George W. Bush
    “The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
    George W. Bush
    “I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
    George W. Bush
    “We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories…for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.”
    George W. Bush
    “Oh, no, we’re not going to have any casualties [in Iraq].”
    George W. Bush
    “We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur. ”
    George W. Bush

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  28. JohnH says:

    The Eisenhower quotes are wonderful. Unfortunately, in today’s Washington, someone useing them without attribution to Eisenhower would be dismissed immediately as a lunatic or a pacifist, the two being largely synonymous in the minds of most in Washington.
    Hagel would be an extremely poor choice for Vice President. As I have noted many times before, his leadership skills are so poor that he can’t even convince himself to vote for the positions he advocates. Forget about influencing others.
    I wonder what Bernard Schwartz thinks of the possibility of Obama selecting Hagel…

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  29. Carroll says:

    All my favorite Eisenhower quotes!
    Obama should start using these and a few from Geo Washington’s 1779 farewell address also.
    I WANT CHUCK HAGEL FOR OBAMA’S VP.
    Would Hagel accept it is the question…at the very least I want to see Hagel as Sec of State or Defense or at the UN.

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  30. reggie says:

    Maybe Chuck for Def Sec.
    After the last debacle the next VP will have about as much power as a grasshopper without legs.

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  31. Zathras says:

    If Steve Clemons’ acumen with respect to domestic American politics did not so completely reflect his preoccupation with American foreign policy, he might pause to reflect on a more likely place for Sen. Hagel in an Obama administration: the Tokyo embassy.
    In recent years American ambassadors to Japan have tended to be high-profile appointments, either people known to be close personal associates of the incumbent President or eminent (occasionally elderly) former politicians, including politicians from the party out of power. Hagel would fill that bill admirably. There will be too many Democratic aspirants to responsible jobs in Washington for him to expect one of them — let alone a place on the Democratic Presidential ticket with a man who will be at pains to make gestures of reconciliation to Democrats who supported Sen. Clinton.
    However, as Clemons can appreciate better than most, the Tokyo embassy is an important job. A President Obama might even consider Sen. Clinton for it, if Japan were further away. As it is, I’ve heard that Obama has been inquiring after NASA’s progress on prepating the first manned mission to Mars.

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  32. weldon berger says:

    Steve, I understand that your primary interest is foreign policy, but in what universe does it make sense to select someone whose domestic policies are as far to the right as one can measure to serve as the potential replacement for even so mild a centrist as Obama should something happen to invoke the line of succession? And while I’m here, I still fail to understand what makes Hagel so much more attractive than the plethora of actual Democrats who hold similar foreign policy views, and I’d be delighted if you could clarify that.

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  33. Mrs. K8 says:

    Off topic, but current:
    I came back here after reading Al Giordano’s live blogging (@http://ruralvotes.com/thefield) of Obama’s major Latin American policy speech in Florida today, expecting to see a thread about it.
    Sounds like the speech wowed the Floridians (including the Cuban-Americans) in the audience, and that it represents a serious new approach, woefully needed.
    Since it hasn’t been mentioned here yet, thought I’d give a heads-up.

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  34. Linda says:

    Steve,
    Thanks to Michael and you for the Ike quotes. I’m adding these two paragraphs from his Farewell Address:
    “Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.”
    “Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.”
    Hagel could be Secretary of State but not VP as he does not agree with Democrats on domestic policy. He’s as unlikely a VP candidate as Lieberman who agrees with Democrats on domestic issues but not on foreign policy.
    Obama probably should promise Clinton first open seat on the Supreme Court and then choose VP from Rust Belt or Appalachia, preferably someone who supported Clinton in the primaries.

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