Washington’s Choices: Status Quo, Break With Israel, or Double Down on A Peace Deal

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In yesterday’s New York Times, White House Correspondent Helene Cooper addresses one of the difficult questions that the recent Flotilla row between Israel and Turkey poses to American officials: what to do about the fact that Israeli policies seem to be having increasingly negative consequences for the United States’ standing in the region?
Drawing on an article by Center for Strategic and International Studies Arleigh A. Burke Chair in Strategy Anthony H. Cordesman called “Israel as a Strategic Liability?“, Cooper suggests that the pressure in Washington is mounting for the United States to distance itself from Israeli policies and make clear that there are limits to what Washington can tolerate. (Cordesman’s article was reprinted here at The Washington Note.)
Cooper quotes New America Foundation/Middle East Task Force Director Daniel Levy, who asserts that:

America has three choices. Either say, it’s politically too hot a potato to touch, and just pay the consequences in the rest of the world. Or try to force through a peace deal between Israelis and Palestinians, so that the Palestinian grievance issue is no longer a driving force or problem. [The third choice] is for America to say, we can’t solve it, but we can’t pay the consequences, so we will distance ourselves from Israel. That way America would no longer be seen, as it has been this week, as the enabler of excesses of Israeli misbehavior.

Cooper then reports that “Unsurprisingly, Mr. Levy advocates the second choice. But he warns that the third may become more palatable to Americans if Mr. Netanyahu’s government stays on its present course.”
Essentially, Levy appears to be suggesting that doubling down on Middle East peace is the only viable option for American policy in the region over the long-term.
Cooper’s full article can be read here.
— Ben Katcher

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45 comments on “Washington’s Choices: Status Quo, Break With Israel, or Double Down on A Peace Deal

  1. Kathleen Grasso Andersen says:

    David and film izie…thanks for your interest in better treatment of our indigeous peoples…please take the time to express your support to the US State Department…and all others who care about this issue.
    From: Kerry, Peggy
    Date: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:13 AM
    Subject: U.S. Review of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
    U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
    Office of the Spokesman
    For Immediate Release June 4, 2010
    2010/730
    MEDIA NOTE
    United States Review of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
    The Department of State has created a new website to enable public input during the U.S. review of its position on the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. On April 20, 2010, United States Permanent Representative to the United Nations Ambassador Susan E. Rice announced at the United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues that the United States has decided to review the U.S. position on the Declaration.
    The Administration recognizes that, for many around the world, this Declaration provides a framework for addressing indigenous issues. During President Obama’s first year in office, tribal leaders and interested non-governmental organizations (NGOs) encouraged the United States to reexamine its position on the Declaration – an important recommendation that directly complements our commitment to work together with the international community on the many challenges that indigenous peoples face.
    As part of the U.S. government

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  2. David says:

    Huh? What’s that got to do with what I said? I accept the existence of the State of Israel. I do not accept its occupation of Palestinian lands. I am a strong supporter of JStreet.
    I have said on numerous occasions that my European ancestors took America from its indigenous peoples. There is simply nothing that can be done now about that. We could, however, treat Native Americans on Indian lands much better than we do, which I have long and adamantly advocated for.
    You offer some of the most irrelevant comments imaginable, in this case one that patently avoids taking into account what I actually said.
    What a mindlessly inapplicable comment. You should run for some office in California as a Republican. You’d fit right in with the current crop being advised by Karl Rove. Maybe you could go work for Orly Tait, or join with Carly Fiorina, who said of Barbara Boxer’s efforts regarding global warming: “Terrorists kill, and Barbara Boxer is worried about the weather.” What a brain trust those folks are.
    I’m going to have to go back to my previous resolution. Ciao.

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  3. nadine says:

    David, do be sure to notify us when you give YOUR home back to the Indians, okay? Then YOU can go back to where you came from.

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  4. David says:

    “The biblical claim to Israel is what’s most important to Jews and most threatening to arabs,if the jews have a right to live in israel proper(generally accepted today ) then they have even more right to settle in the west bank,the ancient heartland.”
    This is what Christian Zionists fervently believe. I know because I have close relatives who are Christian Zionists. They believe that opposing Israel is defiance of God’s law and a mortal sin. These are otherwise quite rational relatives.
    I have come to think for some time that option 3 is the only viable option for the United States, because domestic political dynamics prevent the United States from being an honest broker. Powerful biased forces are poised to villify anyone who dares question Israel’s actions. I’m ok with the idea that Israel has a right to defend itself, but stop right there. That does not include acts of aggression on the infliction of horrible suffering on people under the oppressive occupation by Israel of foreign land. Palestine is not Israel, it is not lawfully and Israeli colony, and it most certainly is not being treated humanely. That was the real point of the flotilla.
    Does not Palestine also have a right to defend itself? Problem, of course, is that that is not possible, and further violent reaction by Palestine only gives Israel cover behind which to inflict far greater violence on Palestine. It is a viscious lose-lose debacle which must end, both for Israel’s and Palestine’s sake. And the United States cannot do anything whatsoever to end it, so we are best advised to step back and let other parties do something to bring about a just peace, if there are any parties who can.
    All I know to do is support JStreet, and to hope that my Christian Zionist relatives come to their senses. My relative who was a former John Bircher did.

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  5. JamesL says:

    Oh goodie. I can’t wait to see which foot the US shoots itself in over this one. It’s from the Voice of American folks:
    Iranian Authorities Prepare to Send Aid Ships to Gaza
    June 7, 2010
    “Iran’s Red Crescent Society will attempt to break the Israeli blockade on Gaza in the next few days, following deadly clashes last week between aid workers and Israel’s military. An official close to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard also says the unit could take part in “protecting the ships,” as well.”
    http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/Iranian-Authorities-Prepare-to-Send-Aid-Ships-to-Gaza-95796284.html

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  6. Carroll says:

    Hey hasbara kids..
    Look at these self hating jews protesting Israel.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/she-looks-like-a-nice-person.htmll.
    Call the Mossad wiggie, hunt them down nadine….sic ‘um…..send their picture to Sherman so he can have them prosecuted as terriers.
    Yes indeedie, can’t have Jews of all people protesting criminal Israel.

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  7. Carroll says:

    This is so funny..LOL
    In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus
    18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident,
    which was posted on the Internet. It’s funny, as well as informative:
    Dear Dr. Laura:
    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law.
    I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to
    defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination … End of debate.
    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them.
    1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A
    friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
    price for her?
    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
    4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
    5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
    obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
    glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden
    by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
    together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
    I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I’m confident you can help.
    Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
    Your adoring fan.
    James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum,
    Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

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  8. samuelburke says:
  9. Carroll says:

    Posted by Sweetness, Jun 08 2010, 8:47AM – Link
    “We are still waiting, Carroll, for the list of things the Jews did to
    bring misfortune on themselves. Or, let’s tighten it a bit, we’re still waiting for the list of things Jews did to WARRANT what they received from the world, because that’s really the point.”
    Well, look no further honey than the US zios in congress and what Israel did in Palestine and Lebanon.
    “We just don’t think it merits
    being slaughtered or expelled from one’s home or burned at the stake or excluded from society.”
    Really? You are totally deluded….it’s like you have some genetic defect that prevents your brain from ‘making connections’.
    Only ‘other” people like non jews such as the Palestines deserve to be expelled, slaughtered and excluded from society huh?
    You can hasbara all you want, the world isn’t buying it. Boo hoo, poor me, the world hates us…and we’ve done nothing, nothing I tell you to warrent it! Except for our murderous 60 year rampage.
    Go sell crazy elsewhere we’re all full up here.

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  10. ... says:

    the usa could break the gaza blockade… this also makes the usa look terrible in the eyes of the world
    http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/07/how_to_end_the_blockade_of_gaza

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  11. ... says:

    sweetness quote “But any time you, or Uri, want to start the list of things Jews did
    to WARRANT the persecution they received, I’m happy to listen.
    Clock has been ticking for a while now…”
    speaking in a contemporary sense – you aren’t paying attention to israels recent actions… shit like this adds up…

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  12. marcus says:

    I don’t know if anyone in washington is paying attention,but canada is hosting several huge international economic confrences this year,we are looking for international partners who appreciate our vast uncounted treasure trove of resources. Canadians are finally fed up with being ignored and taken for granted.
    NAFTA guarantees american access to canadian resources BUT it in no way limits our ability to sell overseas, when the next ship full of whatever goes to Okinawa instead of Boston harbour or when Israel’s next tech.innovation goes to Moscow instead of Washington you all will regret the day you elected obama.
    BTW; that oil spill,you know the one your government has off-loaded resposibility to BP,well now it’forcasted to reach our maritime provinces,,thanks! it will then probably head to europe,it’s a eloquent metaphor for current american foriegn policy,first you shit on yourselves,then your allies.

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  13. Cee says:

    Finally, Kessler reports the IDF

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  14. Cee says:

    Finally, Kessler reports the IDF

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  15. marcus says:

    Granted, the arabs living in the west bank have acquired some squatters rights, but surely that does not rise to the level of claiming national soveirgnty !
    On the subject of decreasing ties with the jewish state,not to worry, Israel like every other american ally is looking elsewhere. Obama,perversly is quickly alienating ALL of americas allies.One benefit as a Canadian is that my country is quickly evolving beyond our dependence on America and like Israel we are starting to look at China,India and beyond as the US falters under your socialist, internationalist in the white house. The US will be a very different place without Canada and Israel ( your two greatest allies) at your side. Alot of Canadians are getting peeved-off at Americas percieved lack of support for Israel, Israel btw is Canda’s ONLY ally in the middleast,we don’t cozy up to dictators and the like.
    BTW: I cannot recall even one instance when Israel’s government or people have asked for sympathy from anyone ! EVER. What they have done over and over again is try to appeal to the thin flikker of reason which jews still believe in.

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  16. Sweetness says:

    Carroll writes: “For most (though certainly not all) Zionists, what
    made Jews exceptional was their history of persecution. No
    matter what they did, they saw themselves as innocent victims

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  17. Dan Kervick says:

    “And please, stop this nonsense about an unarmed ship…”
    Nonsense? Are you saying that there is no such thing as an unarmed ship, because on every ship people have chairs and metal rods?

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  18. nadine says:

    Israel will investigate, just like the US investigates when an US airstrike kills a bunch of civilians in Afghanistan. Difference is, the UN doesn’t set up a kangaroo investigation to convict the US of war crimes every time.

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  19. ... says:

    wait!!!!!!!!!!! it gets better
    Israel to hold own flotilla probe

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  20. ... says:

    Haaretz:
    Turkey to Israel: If you have nothing to hide, accept international probe.
    todays headline
    Israel rejects international probe of deadly ship boarding…
    that is like getting a different squeak out of one of the regular zionist squawkers here… it just ain’t gonna happen…

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  21. Carroll says:

    Zionist Joke: What Have We Ever Done to Them?
    by Ira Chernus, June 08, 2010
    There

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  22. Carroll says:

    On Saturday, the Irish Times ran this poem by Richard Tillinghast, an American poet living in Ireland, called “What Is Not Allowed”:
    No tinned meat is allowed, no tomato paste,
    no clothing, no shoes, no notebooks.
    These will be stored in our warehouses at Kerem Shalom
    until further notice.
    Bananas, apples, and persimmons are allowed into Gaza,
    peaches and dates, and now macaroni
    (after the American Senator

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  23. Carroll says:

    Watch who objects to this.
    “Hamas welcomes EU proposal to monitor crossings
    by Paul Woodward on June 6, 2010
    The Ma

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  24. nadine says:

    “Nadine – Without Israel, life in the United States would proceed quite nicely. ”
    In the US maybe, jd, but not in the fucked-up Middle East, which would continue as warlike and fucked-up as before. Without Israel, the Arabs would need to invent another Great Excuse in a hurry. But without Israel, nobody would care as long as the oil flowed.
    Do you have a link to your recent post? I couldn’t find it.

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  25. nadine says:

    Dan, you really do take everybody for a fool. “The world has grown disgusted with the quarantine of Gaza”
    As opposed to the war against the Taliban, or the fighting in Pakistan, or Sri Lanka, or the Congo, or Darfur, or any other place with 100,000s of dead bodies lying around? Nope, no interest there.
    Dan, nobody in the universe gives a damn about the Gazans. When the Egyptians had them, nobody cared, and Egypt treated them much worse than Israel does now. Much worse. Hamas has killed a thousand of them and you don’t give a damn.
    No, it’s the Israelis and only the Israelis. Any excuse will do for the red-green alliance to pile on their favorite villain, the Joooooos.
    You may be fooling yourself with this sh-t, but you’re not fooling me.
    And please, stop this nonsense about an unarmed ship (it wasn’t), peace activists (they weren’t) and international waters (irrelevant to the law). You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to make up your facts.
    Why do you want to see Hamas armed with 40,000 Iranian rockets? You think that will aid the peace process? It will kill it stone dead.

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  26. Dan Kervick says:

    “We just saw a dozen Israeli commandos shoot to defend their own lives from a jihadi mob.”
    On an unarmed ship that they forcibly boarded in international waters that was headed into Palestinian waters to Gaza – not to Israel!
    The world has grown disgusted with the quarantine of Gaza, and is no longer disposed to look sympathetically on armed Israelis making their own trouble to enforce that quarantine.
    “Whatever Israel does to defend itself, you have condemned them.”
    Bull. Just yesterday the Israelis attacked a ship carrying what they claim were actual terrorists preparing for an assault on Israel, and I said nothing. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they are telling the truth.
    There have also been any number of smaller scale attacks in Gaza against rocket launch sites, and I haven’t criticized them at all. I did criticize the out-of-control ethnic rampage known as “Cast Lead”.

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  27. marcus says:

    The biblical claim to Israel is what’s most important to Jews and most threatening to arabs,if the jews have a right to live in israel proper(generally accepted today ) then they have even more right to settle in the west bank,the ancient heartland.

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  28. jdledell says:

    Nadine – Without Israel, life in the United States would proceed quite nicely. Israel might be a nice to have but it is far from essential. In fact, Israel is a pimple on the world’s ass. I happen to love that pimple – but it still is a pimple. Unfortunately, it’s becoming full of puss and one of these days it’s going to break wide open to our mutual chagrin. I just got back from Israel yesterday and you can read about my travails in TPM Cafe.

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  29. nadine says:

    “If Israel – or the world acting on a paralyzed, freaked-out Israel’s behalf – manages to draw a line roughly in the vicinity of the pre-1967 border, and then requires all the Jews to get on one side and all of the Arabs on the other side, then Israel will be perfectly capable of defending that border with minimal difficulty. The Palestinians can have a normal, self-governed state. ”
    This was the promise of the Israel Left. But, as it happens, the Palestinians don’t want a normal state and absolutely refuse to take one, though it has been offered several times. What do they want? Israel humiliatated, put in the dock, delegitimzied, a pariah, weakened — and then destroyed.
    That’s why the Israeli Left collapsed. Israelis saw what happened and reacted accordingly. YOU are stuck in a 1992 time warp.
    How do you propose MAKING the Palestinians take a state when they don’t want one? Hell, they are getting 2 billion dollars a year and no responsibilities, why should they want one? For the sake of their people’s comfort? Name one single Arab ruler who cares about that.
    “If they attack Israel, then Israel can do what every other state does when attacked by another state: go to war with the state that attacked them. Israel is capable of pulverizing all of Palestine within as few days.”
    We just saw a dozen Israeli commandoes shoot to defend their own lives from a jihadi mob. Boy, look how Israelis are allowed by the world to defend themselves!
    Whatever Israel does to defend itself, you have condemned them. What kind of a fool do you take me for, peddling this nonsense?

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  30. nadine says:

    So we’re fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan for Israel?
    I thought it was for oil. Can’t you make up your mind? Hey! Maybe your argument is that our oil-dependent economy is a the result of an Israeli conspiracy! Boy, are those Jews cunning, or what!
    Your model of the world is terribly simplistic. Consider:
    Without Israel, there would still be oil.
    Without Israel, there would still be a fucked-up Arab world full of petro-despots hated by their own people, who have too much money to ever be overthrown.
    Without Israel, there would still be Islam with its promise from Allah that Islam must rule the world.
    Without Israel, there would still be the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda.
    Without Israel, Saddam Hussein would still have invaded Kuwait.
    Without Israel, Arabs, Persians, Turks and Kurds would still be fighting each other for land and oil.
    But without Israel, we have no humint (human intelligence) to speak of in the Middle East, because the CIA really sucks at it.
    Without Israel, we wouldn’t have a single Mideast ally that we can be sure isn’t funding Al Qaeda on the sly.
    Without Israel, we wouldn’t have lots of our most advanced military technology, like Predator drones, since it was developed in Israel first.

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  31. Dan Kervick says:

    “All this heavy breathing over Israel as a strategic liability suggests that the Obama administration (& Steve too, I would guess) is really in the “dump Israel” camp, but are not ready to come out and say it.”
    There is no “dump Israel” camp anywhere within shouting distance of the United States government. Thus that whole loony fear-mongering corner of the conversation is ridiculous. Levy knows better and so do you, Nadine.
    This is all part of the tortured, ritualized and pathological zionist discourse of existential dread. It’s as mechanical and meaningless as Dustin Hoffman’s rain man running through the “Who’s On First” routine over and over.
    The left-wing zionists say, “we must take such and such moves toward peace with the Palestinians or else … EXISTENTIAL CATASTROPHE …. AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!”
    The right-wing zionists say, “we must conquer and eliminate the Palestinians or else … EXISTENTIAL CATASTROPHE …. AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!”
    It’s all ridiculous.
    If Israel – or the world acting on a paralyzed, freaked-out Israel’s behalf – manages to draw a line roughly in the vicinity of the pre-1967 border, and then requires all the Jews to get on one side and all of the Arabs on the other side, then Israel will be perfectly capable of defending that border with minimal difficulty. The Palestinians can have a normal, self-governed state. If they attack Israel, then Israel can do what every other state does when attacked by another state: go to war with the state that attacked them. Israel is capable of pulverizing all of Palestine within as few days. There is no impending existential doom on the horizon. That whole phony line of yammering is a melodramatic crock.
    There is no official border yet mainly because there are too many Israelis and too many Palestinians who don’t want there to be a border. But at least the Palestinians aren’t expanding beyond the unofficial border, while Israelis keep flooding their kleptomaniacal immigrant hordes into the Palestinian side. When are all the big states in the world going to stop indulging all these clowns, tell them where the damn border is, and make them get their asses on the right side of it?

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  32. DonS says:

    Nadine’s rants are no doubt in earnest.
    But they are not written from a pro-American viewpoint, encompassing all the ways in which Israel is weakening the position of the US world wide. Not to mention the cost of all the surrogate battles the US is engaged in, in no small part because of a policy architecture unsupportive of Palestinian rights.
    How many decades has the US covered for Israel’s illegal expansion and subjugation of West Bank? It’s been a good run. And it’s time for Israel to become a responsible player, when it comes to accommodating US needs, and for the US to chart a course that puts it’s own interests, not Israel’s, first. Just as the Arabs react to Israeli intransigence, so Israel counts on US rubber stamps to facilitate it’s own intransigence.

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  33. ... says:

    most people/countries don’t break with the status quo unless things get very difficult… things are clearly more difficult enough for all parties involved here.. apparently they need to be ‘more difficult’ for some actual ‘change’ to happen…
    meanwhile, enjoy the ride down, until such time as we get to go up again!

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  34. nadine says:

    Barry Rubin picks up the difference regard given to strength and weakness in the Mideast vs. Western elites:
    Hurriyet, a Turkish newspaper, ran as its lead article on page one a story about what it called photos the Israelis didn

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  35. nadine says:

    Dan Kervick, remember the UN resolutions and monitors who assured us in 2006 that Hizbullah would not be allowed to rearm? What came of that, hm? Now instead of 20,000 rockets, Hizbullah has 40,000 rockets.
    Nobody but Israel cares if Hamas gets 40,000 rockets to match, and nobody but Israel will lift a finger to prevent it. That is simple realism, a popular term here at TWN, I believe.
    Regarding “doubling down on the peace process,” all I can do is wonder “Can grown men really be this stupid, or do they actually want their policies to fail?” Sure, tell the fractured and warring Palestinians that the US will double down on doing their negotiating for them. Watch the Palestinian triple their already unreasonable demands and head for the hills.
    All this heavy breathing over Israel as a strategic liability suggests that the Obama administration (& Steve too, I would guess) is really in the “dump Israel” camp, but are not ready to come out and say it. Just testing the political waters, so to speak.
    It is strategic folly of the highest order, viewed purely from a realist perspective. IF there were some other alliance to embrace FIRST, then perhaps dumping a longstanding and regionally powerful ally such as Israel might be an acceptable price to pay. Just so, Turkey first established an alliance with Iran and Syria, THEN dumped its old alliances with Israel and the US.
    The folly of the Obama administration is to entertain the notion that by apologizing for the US and dumping US allies, i.e. deliberately hurting your own side, you are going to win some brownie points from Turkey or Iran or Syria. But the Mideast has nothing but contempt for weaklings who don’t stick with their own side.
    These fools are literally making strategic decisions based on internalizing Arab propaganda about how tiny democratic threatened Israel is actually the one uniquely worst pariah human rights abuser on the planet. So they figure, “if they hate us because we’re friends with Israel, they’ll like us if we dump Israel.”
    What fools. The Arabs hate Israel because Jews have no right to beat Arabs at anything. The Islamists hate Israel because no Jew has a right to rule an inch of “Muslim land.” They hate the US too. Dump Israel, and you will get nothing but hatred AND contempt.
    One really needs graduate degrees to be this foolish. To paraphrase Bill Clinton, “IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID”

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  36. marcus says:

    The town of SAVZEVAR in the northeastern Iranian Province of Khorasan.

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  37. marcus says:

    Relax folks, it`s not actually true,,they did kill however 4 alaska brigade ( I hope sarah palin has nothing to do with this ! )commandos in wetsuits.
    Are Israel`s enemies retarded ??
    I wonder because the alaska headqurters denies that these frogman were on on mission to attack Israeli civilians (like Israel is claiming=those damn liars ) but that they were actually only on a training exercise ( to kill Israeli civilians ) ahh…ok then.

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  38. Kathleen Grasso Andersen says:

    The only way to acheive peace in the Palestine-Isreal conflict is for the US to insist that Israel respect the 1967 borders or forego any further finacial aid.
    Meanwhile…
    Israeli Navy kills Palestinian divers… http://www.theday.com/article/20100607/NWS14/100609780/1047

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  39. mnpundit says:

    Several years ago I asked the question “What is the point of our alliance with Israel?”
    The only answer that was at all decent was that Israel is a rogue nuclear state, and our alliance enables us to restrain their nuclear activities (such as proliferation use like they offered to South Africa).
    Of course it’s becoming clear that Israel knows it has control of the Congress in all matters regarding itself and intends to use it. I don’t be grudge them that, all states would dearly like to have that power over other states, but it does mean that restraining Israel is impossible for us.

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  40. Carroll says:

    Break.
    Why?
    Because the Israelis and the US zionist are not going to change…ever.
    These are people that have always existed and operated by deception, lies, myth, propaganda, provocations, subverting other governments and creating enemies in order to advance their interest. You might as well ask the scorpion not to sting the frog.
    Even if we ‘force a peace’, it will be phony, there will still be incidents and provocations by the Israeli and therefore by their opponants and a conflicts will still continue…along with Israeli pleas for more US money to fight to “terriers”.
    No, be done with them. Withdrawal of US support is the ONLY thing that might shock them to reality….although I doubt even that would do it.
    But if that doesn’t ‘do it’ then the jettisoning of Israel by the US will be the undisputable proof of the wisdom of that decision.

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  41. Dan Kervick says:

    Well, there seems to be a fourth option: rather than “force through” a peace deal, Obama could try to return to standard peace-processism, starting with measures designed to reduce tensions, mitigate damage and defuse the present crisis.
    He could begin by responding positively to British and French offers to take a more active role in policing the traffic and commerce in and out of Gaza, so as to address legitimate Israeli concerns about arms shipments into Gaza while reducing the direct Israeli role. With that new structure in place, he could prevail upon the Israelis to end the quarantine.
    With the quarantine ended, and no more Israeli ships patrolling Gazan waters, Obama should be able to get the Turks to stand down from current threats to raise the temperature.
    With movement of goods and people in and out of Gaza restored to something more normal, and with the economic well-being of Gazan Palestinians on the upswing again, surely some mechanism can be found for getting Gaza more actively involved in the peace process, if not through a unity government, at least through some other means.
    If people feel the need to keep Hamas at arms length, perhaps they could work with West Bank and Gaza leaders to forge form some sort of joint negotiating authority. Obviously Hamas would be involved one way or another, but US diplomats could avoid the unwanted Hamas branding.
    US complicity in the isolation and quarantine of the people of Gaza – about 40% of the Palestinian people – while dealing only with the approved West Bank Palestinian leaders on building civil society institutions and an economic enterprise zone, is shameful and discriminatory. And it won’t lead to a genuine Palestinian state – but only an Israeli-controlled Palestinian ghetto or homeland. It’s just another case of punting the issue down the road.
    Personally, I think Obama needs to be more forceful in articulating a US vision of what the Palestinian state that is supposed to result from all this peace processism is supposed to look like. But I doubt he will.

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  42. non-hater says:

    The US will probably take option 1, though 3 would serve its interests better. 2 isn’t possible because the current government US is unable to pressure Israel because of domestic political considerations (read: campaign contributions).

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  43. Don Bacon says:

    Here’s a current example of America’s “moral and ethical” actions in the Middle East.
    news report:
    US used cluster bombs on Yemen civilians: Amnesty
    A US cruise missile carrying cluster bombs was behind a December attack in Yemen that killed 55 people, most of them civilians, Amnesty International (AI) said on Monday.
    The London-based rights group released photographs that it said showed the remains of a US-made Tomahawk missile and unexploded cluster bombs that were apparently used in the December 17, 2009 attack on the rural community of Al-Maajala in Yemen’s southern Abyan province.
    A local official said 49 civilians, among them 23 children and 17 women, were killed “indiscriminately.”

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  44. Don Bacon says:

    There’s a fourth choice for America, and it’s the most likely. It will build on the “Israel as a current US strategic liability” meme while continuing the charade that the US is the real power in the Middle East.
    In Israel, Meir Dagan, head of Israel’s Mossad external security service, recently warned that the current US administration is in the process of making of Israel “a liability instead of an asset.”
    In the US, Anthony Cordesman has written a widely-disseminated piece: “Israel as a Strategic Liability?” Its major (false) assumption: “The fact is that the real motives behind America’s commitment to Israel are moral and ethical.”
    What a coincidence! Strategic liability!(If one believes in coincidences.)
    So the US and Israel are, with help from some PR firm, are no doubt working on a “Fresh New Middle East Policy (Change you can believe in)” which will include slight changes to the Gaza blockade and the re-affirmation of the US and Israel as a strategic asset.
    Yawn.
    Meanwhile Turkey, the real game-changer, has its own agenda and is moving on it, while Washington dithers under the false assumption that its deliberations and policies are meaningful.

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