Saudi Minister of Finance to Speak at NAF/Middle East Policy Forum in Washington

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al-assaf twn.jpgSaudi Minister of Finance Ibrahim Al-Assaf has just agreed to appear in a major national policy forum that the New America Foundation/American Strategy Program is helping to organize on Monday, the 27th of April in Washington, DC.
I previously announced that former Saudi Ambassador to the US and former Saudi Intelligence chief Prince Turki Al-Faisal as well as former Ford and George H.W. Bush National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft were on the list of headliners for this conference, which will take place in Georgetown.
The meeting is titled “US-Saudi Relations in a World Without Equilibrium.”
Finance Minister Al-Assaf will be attending the spring meetings of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank and participating in follow-on discussions from the London G-20 Summit about broadening the resources of the IMF for financially-weakened developing economies.
This meeting was initiated by a group I run at the New America Foundation and is being co-organized by the Comittee on International Trade of the Saudi Chambers of Commerce.
One of my personal objectives in asking various Saudi government officials to speak at this conference is to begin to bring the US-Saudi relationship more into the active mainstream of discussion in Washington policy circles. There is a tendency to hide the importance of the US-Saudi relationship because of discomfort with cultural dissimilarity, frustration with oil dependence, and real differences between the countries on many fronts. However, there is also a long history of Saudi support of the US and its foreign policy and economic objectives in the world, a long history of Saudi youth studying at American schools and universities, and other bridges as well.
There are strengths and weakness to any relationship — and given the fact that the world and how it organizes itself has become more wobbly than used to be the case — the behavior, objectives, and strategies of most significant global players — including the US and Saudi Arabia have changed. It’s time in my view to have more open discussion about the policy challenges facing the countries — in bilateral, regional/Middle East, and global terms.
This conference will STREAM LIVE on the internet here at The Washington Note from 8:45 am until approximately 4:00 pm EST. I hope many of you can join us.
More on the rest of the line-up and general schedule soon,.
— Steve Clemons

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42 comments on “Saudi Minister of Finance to Speak at NAF/Middle East Policy Forum in Washington

  1. ArtIsRevolution says:

    and oh looky
    POA’s got 2 new threads posted at TaylorMarsh.com this morning.
    he obviously hates the attention he gets there. 😉
    “he can’t quit us” 😉

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  2. Paul Norheim says:

    Here is the link to the exchange between Outraged American and
    POA.
    Read and learn, Arthur!
    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/03/streaming
    _live_40/#comments

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  3. Paul Norheim says:

    And Arthur,
    You claim that my “agenda” is “narrow”. Wrong. I have
    consistently argued that those who not only criticize Israel as a
    state (a legitimate position that I share), but also expose anti-
    semitic tendencies, provide arguments to those pro-Israel
    people who absurdly claim that criticizing Israel is equivalent
    with anti-semitism.
    You are actually making it more convenient for the Israeli state
    to abuse the Palestinians, if you don`t distinguish between
    Israel as a state, and Jews “as a whole”.
    And if you haven`t noticed, POA recently seems to have realized
    this as well. Here are some quotes from a recent thread – where
    he polemicizes against “Outraged American”. (To get OA`s side
    of the argumentation, I provide a link after the POA quotes.)
    1) “Posted by PissedOffAmerican, Mar 26 2009, 9:11PM – Link
    (…) And as far as “anti-semitic” goes, your argument here is
    borderline, and as such is surely going to draw the accusation.”
    ——-
    2) “Posted by PissedOffAmerican, Mar 27 2009, 10:51AM – Link
    You hardly need to lecture me, OA, on the plight of the
    Palestinians. But your attack on Jews is hardly helpful, nor is the
    dredging up of old justifications for anti-semitism.
    This issue obviously has no shortage of jackasses, and the
    braying seems to be coming from all quarters.”
    ———–
    3) “Posted by PissedOffAmerican, Mar 27 2009, 8:28PM – Link
    “POA, just why are Jews special, as opposed to any other ethnic
    or religious group that has suffered persecution throughout the
    centuries?”
    Where did I say “Jews are special”, you ignorant jackass?
    It is your anti-semitic crosstalk that is shoehorning them into
    some sort of “special” category with your stereotyping and
    unbelievably stupid invocation of “usary” through which to
    malign the entire collective of the Jewish people.
    I suggest, before you tell people to shut the fuck up, that you
    listen to your own ignorant horseshit, and try to understand the
    damage you do to the arguments of those that are seriously
    concerned about Israel’s influence over United States’ policies.
    You are the exact sort of ignorant bigoted clown that the AIPAC
    people would like to paint all of us as being.”
    —————————————–
    —————————————–
    So tell me, Arthur:
    Do both POA and I realize that criticism of Israel that is mixed
    up with good old anti-semitic crap, just castrates the criticism –
    or are we both dishonest?
    If you have read my posts during the last couple of years, this
    has been my point all the time. Besides the simple fact that
    anti-semitism is immoral, potentially dangerous, and stupid.
    Do you suspect me to be some secret sympathizer with AIPAC
    or Mossad Agent, or what?
    I think my position has been transparent since I started posting
    at TWN.

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  4. Paul Norheim says:

    Ok Arthur,
    since you asked for it – and claim that I am deliberately lying—
    Here is an excerpt from a thread last summer – one of my posts
    quoted something you said on another blog, written two years
    before that. The context: the Israeli attack on Lebanon, August
    2006. Your post (parts of which are quoted here) were posted at
    that time:
    “Posted by Paul Norheim, Jun 12 2008, 1:47AM – Link
    (…)
    So I suppose that it was you who wrote, on the above
    mentioned blog (http://myblahg.com/?p=1017), these
    sentences a couple of years ago:
    “(arthurdecco Says:
    July 10th, 2006 at 9:37 pm | |)
    “No, Jews on the whole seem to be extremely supportive of the
    most radicalized right wing extremist politicians these days,
    Harry. They seem to support those who want to kill other people
    – preferably arabs – though not exclusively.”
    “They were for socialism when they saw it as a path towards
    power and influence. When that well dried up, they moved on to
    neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism.”
    “When these wells dry up, as they shall, Jews will adopt a new
    philosophy that furthers their interests. Because that is what
    Jews have been doing for thousands of years. Furthering their
    own interests. If others can ride along on their coat tails, so
    much the better from a publicity point of view, but that has
    never been the point or the purpose of their quest for influence
    and power.”
    “Except for an embarrassingly small minority of Jewish thinkers,
    movers and shakers, it has always been about what can best
    further the interests of the tribe – the rest of humanity be
    damned.”
    (…)
    And if that arthurdecco is identical with the very same one
    writing here, the sad and stupid thing is that you give some of
    those those who defend the worst actions from the Israeli
    government during the last years a “prove” that those who
    criticize Israel are “against Jews”.
    And what do the “Jews on the whole” have to do with the current
    politics of Israel, with AIPAC, the Neocons, and other entities
    that you are discussing here?”
    ——————————–
    To me, one simple definition of anti-semitism is the following:
    Targeting Jews in general (“as a whole”) and attributing negative
    characteristics to them. There were plenty of those in your
    quoted comment, and they were not even confined to the
    contemporary world: “Because that is what Jews have been
    doing for thousands of years.”
    I think it`s a reasonable interpretation to say that this qualifies
    as anti-semitism, per definition.
    So tell me: Where have I said something qualifying me as a
    deliberate liar, who “misrepresent the facts to advance their own
    narrow agendas”? Where am I disingenuous, and not honest, as
    you are “suggesting”?
    You are suggesting to much, Arthur, without providing any
    facts, evidence or examples supporting your accusations
    regarding other poster`s motivations. You`ve done that
    frequently against me since last summer, and I have kept more
    or less quiet.
    But now I`ve had enough of that. So please provide me with
    some evidence of my dishonesty – or shut the fuck up.

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  5. Paul Norheim says:

    You may defend yourself, and say that I was wrong in that debate.
    But deliberately lying? Nope. It was an honest interpretation of
    your words, and had nothing to do with any narrow agenda from
    my part.

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  6. arthurdecco says:

    Paul Norheim said: “Are you referring to the old anti-semitism debate? (Do you want
    to go there?) Or do you have something else in mind?”
    Let me say this, Paul: I’m prepared to go where the conversation takes us.

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  7. Paul Norheim says:

    “…those who deliberately lie or “misrepresent the facts” to
    advance their own narrow agendas” (arthurdecco).
    Hey, Arthur, I am fed up with your dubious habit of questioning
    other posters motives instead of confronting their arguments.
    These are serious ad hominem allegations – but you don`t want
    to be specific. And now you are pushing your case, without
    delivering any examples. Does that make me disingenuous?
    Are you referring to the old anti-semitism debate? (Do you want
    to go there?) Or do you have something else in mind?
    Be specific! Inform me and the readers on when or where I have
    deliberately lied to advance my own narrow agendas?

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  8. arthurdecco says:

    “Further, this piece shows how the Dems are in bed with the Repubs over security policy and why therefore the Dems don’t really want an investigation.” posted by questions
    I believe POA already covered this. What’s your point in bringing it up again?
    Are you attempting to take credit for the idea?

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  9. arthurdecco says:

    “I have no idea what you`re referring to, Arthur.”: so spake Paul Norheim
    That suggests to me you’re disingenuous, rather than honest, Paul. (Not that I needed convincing on that point.)

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  10. pharel says:

    This is a wonderful opinion. The things mentioned are unanimous and needs to be appreciated by everyone.
    pharel
    foreclosures

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  11. pharel says:

    This is a wonderful opinion. The things mentioned are unanimous and needs to be appreciated by everyone.
    pharel
    foreclosures

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  12. questions says:

    http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=hsnews-000003098436
    Here’s a link to Jane Harmon, spy at large! Please read the final paragraph to see why it is that I’m a LOBBY-Skeptic. (Hint, she ended up accomplishing none of her goals, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s primaried in the next election. But of course, she did try to influence the direction of an investigation.)
    Further, this piece shows how the Dems are in bed with the Repubs over security policy and why therefore the Dems don’t really want an investigation.

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  13. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Thanks for the honest criticisms, and the kudos. Its a moot point, however, as the interaction with me at Taylor’s site has degenerated to a point of no return. Of course, as you can surmise without even devoting research, this is in no small fault of my own. To be honest, a couple of the posters there, early on with my arrival, pulled a couple of “varanasis” on me, and that was all she wrote. As you all well know, I don’t take kindly to some ignorant jackass questioning my stated proffession, calling me a liar, and using terms like “unemployed nail pounder” to describe my calling. Particularly when they don’t know a fuckin’ thing about me.
    I did go in fairly heavy, but I made no claims and stated no opinions that were not heartfelt, and backed up with substantiating linkage. Many over there seem to exist in some sort of ethereal “never mind what you see, just wait until tomorrow” kind of netherworld in regards to Barack Obama, and many of the issues, particularly as they pertain to Israel, and Barack Obama’s blatant disregard for his Oath of Office in his refusal to pursue accountability on a number of fronts. And to be blunt, that kind of nattering optimism just irritates the shit out of me.
    And as gracious as this “ArtIsRevolution” visitor seems to be, I wonder at the motive behind the assumed monicker. Why not just post under the screen name he or she uses at Taylor’s site? Or is he or she afraid I might link to some commentary that isn’t so gracious as that exhibited above?
    Bottom line, I respect question’s opinion to a degree, and I respect Paul’s even more. And I highly appreciate Arthur’s unfailing support, and his keen understanding of of my methods and motives.
    But in the end, it is I that must do the introspection and the appraisal of what occurred these last few days at Marsh’s site. Was I an asshole? Absolutely. That crew over there really pushed my buttons right from the git-go. But, do I feel I was entirely culpable for the degeneration of debate? No. There are some real serious big time assholes over there, and they don’t need me to bring it out in them, they come by it naturally.
    And Taylor? She’s a snake. My gut rarely fails me, and it tells me that my demeanor at her site was a secondary aggravation for her. I believe her anger was founded in the fact that I planted myself between her and her synchopantic koffee klatch, and dared challenge a number of her opinions and conclusions with some hard questions and some cold facts. Of course, she will dissent against that opinion. So be it. It is what it is. But she can have it. Obviously its not for me, and I’m not for them.
    C’est la vie, tough shit, and whatever.

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  14. Paul Norheim says:

    “That descriptor should be reserved for those who deliberately lie
    or “misrepresent the facts” to advance their own narrow agendas.”
    I have no idea what you`re referring to, Arthur.

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  15. arthurdecco says:

    Paul Norheim said: “I don`t mind if you quote me over at your site, to show that though POA frequently is a much larger asshole than those he accuses of being so, many of us here at TWN are kinda fond of him.
    POA is never an asshole. That descriptor should be reserved for those who deliberately lie or “misrepresent the facts” to advance their own narrow agendas.
    That is something POA NEVER does.
    …Unlike you, Pol.

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  16. ArtIsRevolution says:

    Posted by questions, Apr 19 2009, 4:43PM – Link
    re: “tomatoes”
    that was a Saturday night thread btw which is intended for casual interaction, same as the Friday “Tip O’Neil Cocktail Hour” we purposely talk about things besides politics and interact on a more personal basis, it’s a stress reliever 🙂

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  17. ArtIsRevolution says:

    Posted by Paul Norheim, Apr 19 2009, 4:42PM – Link
    Posted by questions, Apr 19 2009, 4:43PM – Link
    thank you both.
    I think if POA just relaxed and eased up on the personal attacks he would find a receptive and relatively intelligent group at TM.com I have a hard time with his hyper-anti-Israel diatribes which cloud the legitimate criticisms that Israel has earned and gets by the way in Taylor’s posts all the time.
    and questions: no insult was taken on your comment “go girl” TM.com has evolved since the primary and has actually become a place of common ground and reconciliation between Hillary supporters and Obama supporters, die hard both. Now she is moving beyond that to more meaty policy issues. She’s a very smart woman.
    I have discovered TWN and appreciate Steve’s perspective on things.
    Thanks very much, I appreciate it.

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  18. questions says:

    Thanks, ArtisRevolution, for the link. The “go girl” thread is the one I wanted, and I appreciate the research assistance. Have read bits and pieces of Taylor Marsh’s stuff along with comments in the past few weeks. I think I still stand by “You go girl” and I think there really does tend to be a feminine sensibility to the site. “Sweetie”, “good movie” and “tomatoes” seem to clinch the deal for me. It’s not a criticism or an insult. There’s more social/mutual support, more thanking and general politeness, and I think I have an actually memory of Taylor’s actually saying something like “You go girl” in response to a comment a few weeks ago, but maybe it’s a false memory. When posts drift off topic here, they tend to drift differently. We get movies and books, bouts of flu, occasional biographies. Not much in the way of tomatoes, though.
    To those who post at Taylor Marsh’s site, I mean no harm. And since I have no intention of registering there to say this, I’m posting here and maybe someone will link this and maybe not.
    Oh, and ArtisRevolution, I’ve had endless differences with POA on Israel/Palestine. I have a very different view of what should be done even if I generally agree with the criticisms of Israeli policy. I’ve been on the receiving end of numerous “compliments”! Be clear in the disagreement and agree to disagree. POA has a deep sense of the injustice of the Palestinian situation and he’s right about that. Israel has been deeply wrong in its treatment of human beings. At the same time though, I think that there are many other issues that POA doesn’t deal with including geostrategic alliances, whether or not disengagement has even a slight chance of bringing about anything like justice, and so on. I have numerous posts on these issues scattered throughout TWN’s archives, and I’m guessing there will be more eventually.
    Thanks again for the link.

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  19. Paul Norheim says:

    Hi ArtisRevolution,
    I have no problem understanding that some of you are upset
    with POA. As I said in a comment to him above in this thread, I
    consider his style often too aggressive and rude.
    Nevertheless, many commenters (me included) and readers,
    even Steve Clemons himself, regard POA as one of the most
    valuable contributors at The Washington Note.
    Why?
    You may find out if you get to know each other better. On the
    other hand, I hope that POA don`t settle down at your site,
    stopping to write here. Though I don`t appreciate all his insults
    against fellow commenters, we need an enfant terrible at TWN
    who consistently calls a spade a spade.
    BTW: I don`t mind if you quote me over at your site, to show
    that though POA frequently is a much larger asshole than those
    he accuses of being so, many of us here at TWN are kinda fond
    of him.

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  20. ArtIsRevolution says:

    Posted by questions, Apr 19 2009, 7:51AM – Link
    Do you have a link? Can’t say as I feel like hunting for the comments…. Thanks in advance….
    ______
    the “go girl” thread is here:
    judge for yourself:
    http://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/04/18/another-saturday-night/

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  21. ArtIsRevolution says:

    Posted by questions, Apr 19 2009, 7:51AM – Link
    Do you have a link? Can’t say as I feel like hunting for the comments…. Thanks in advance….
    try this one:
    http://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/04/18/un-torture-investigator-obama-has-broken-international-law/
    or this:
    http://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/04/18/clinton-statement-on-saberi%E2%80%99s-8-year-prison-sentence/
    please keep him occupied. thanks.

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  22. questions says:

    Do you have a link? Can’t say as I feel like hunting for the comments…. Thanks in advance….

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  23. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Wow, we’re being so polite here, I feel like crying out to all of you, “YOU GO GIRL!””
    Comical. Those good folks at Taylor’s site are convinced you just insulted them, questions.
    Can’t call ’em jackasses, and can’t say “YOU GO GIRL”, heck, ya can’t even drop an “ic” without putting their panties in a bind.
    The only other site I have ever posted at that was so thin-skinned was that insipid pissant Nathon Tabor’s site, “The Conservative Voice”, which was bought up by “Town Hall” a few months ago. Its kinda weird, because you could swear some of these people at Taylor’s site are clones of some of the posters at Tabor’s site, except coming from polar opposite political stances.
    But boy, you can bet the far right is lauding the so called “progressive” stance on no prosecutions for torture or wiretapping. Its surreal seeing the left argue for the right’s fondest wet dream.
    Dick Cheney…
    “YIPPEEE!!!! No prosecutions!!! If they don’t go after the little guy, theres no incentive for the little bastard to point in my direction!!!! YIPPEE!!!! I’M HOME FREE!!!!!”

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  24. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “I don`t think March accused you of anti-semitism; to me it looked like he said you are just as pro-Palestinian as Lieberman
    is pro-Israelis”
    Well, thats not very comforting, considering that Lieberman is a blatant racist.

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  25. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Wow, we’re being so polite here, I feel like crying out to all of you, “YOU GO GIRL!””
    Don’t worry questions, its just that I have a headache. I’ll be back to my good ‘ol obnoxious self just as quick as you can say “Here come the jackasses”.

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  26. questions says:

    Wow, we’re being so polite here, I feel like crying out to all of you, “YOU GO GIRL!”
    And I thought my Comcast internet connection was the world’s worst!

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  27. Paul Norheim says:

    Thanks, questions;
    I had a great time, and hope to spend every vacation there for the
    coming years (preferably in january/february, when it is rather
    cold here in Norway).
    Nice to be offline for a while as well – Ethiopia has one of the
    worst internet connections in the world. They do not block access
    to certain sites, like the Chinese, they just make sure it takes the
    whole evening for the site to show up on the screen…
    And thanks for your info on the adjective wars!

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  28. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Ms. Marsh was thus suggesting that POA is clearly a Republican given the usage”
    Gads, thanks for explaining that, questions. I really didn’t understand what I said that jammed a corncob up her ass. Seems kinda petty to me.
    Unless of course, ya think I’m a Republican.
    Egads. I’m afraid if I channeled Rush I’d wake up fat, addicted, and stupid. What a nightmare. I think I’d rather wake up as a toad.

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  29. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “All in all, I’d mostly advise that you not go to someone’s house for dinner and call all the other guests “jackasses.””
    You got a chuckle for that one. Its very likely sound advice. Uhm, but I’m pretty set in my ways. And like ‘ol Dee Cooper used to say on Paramount Ranch, “It doesn’t take me all day to look at a horseshoe”.
    Thanks for your courteous and amiable reply, questions.

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  30. questions says:

    Paul,
    Welcome back from your vacation!
    The “Democratic” vs “Democrat” thing is often taken to be a dead give-away of partisan affiliation. The Republicans came up with the dropping of “ic” to avoid calling one party “democratic” which would in turn imply that the other party is undemocratic. Only Republicans, in theory, use the word “Democrat” as an adjective. In fact, though, I find myself slipping occasionally because I hear “Democrat Party” so frequently. (All of this in case you’re unfamiliar with the history of the adjective wars!)
    Ms. Marsh was thus suggesting that POA is clearly a Republican given the usage.

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  31. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Thanks for your honest appraisal, Paul. I really do appreciate it.

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  32. questions says:

    POA,
    You take some getting used to (insert smiley emoticon here).
    Seriously, though, blog discussions work a little like neighborhood cafes and when someone new comes in and starts calling everyone a “jackass”, it can be a little jarring to the regulars who feel that they are a part of the community and that they have paid dues to be included.
    Marsh’s site is feminine; a little bit of “you go girl” would go a lot further than a lot of “jackass” does. You give a lot of “jackass.”
    And while I am certain you are not anti-Semitic in intent, you do borrow certain tropes that are linked to actual anti-Semitism and this borrowing can raise hackles. The I-Lobby language seems similar to Jewish conspiracy thinking; the lack of qualifying condemnation can feel uncomfortable to some, and so on. If you want to be able to make the valid criticisms that you do indeed make, and you want the criticisms to be taken seriously, try softening your tone, noting that although Israel has been lobbed with numerous rockets and the border town residents are fairly flipped out about it, IN FACT, there is relatively little damage from the rockets, the Israeli response is disproportionate, and in fact, the Palestinians have been pushed in large measure towards irregular warfare in order to cope. Say it calmly, and suggest some reasonable measures for trying to de-escalate Israel’s over-the-top responses. Discuss Israeli internal politics, the structure of the Knesset, the attraction people have to strong leaders who toss bombs, show the parallels between the US and Israel on these issues. Talk about the US’s flirtation for the past many many years with right wing responses to “others”. Somewhere in all of this is a reasonable response that is largely in keeping with your basic view of the ME. Lose the cursing, lose the complete one-sidedness rhetorically (couch it in likeness to US policy and you can make your point while seeming rational and fair).
    All in all, I’d mostly advise that you not go to someone’s house for dinner and call all the other guests “jackasses.”
    IMHO, at any rate.

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  33. Paul Norheim says:

    POA,
    I don`t think March accused you of anti-semitism; to me it
    looked like he said you are just as pro-Palestinian as Lieberman
    is pro-Israelis.
    In any case, I think you were rather rude over there (as you
    often are over here as well); you acted like you were constantly
    and aggressively challenging your opponent in a boxing ring,
    never giving him or her any space. And that can be tiresome, if
    the opponent don`t love this kind of fighting.
    Judging from the two threads, I don`t think your opponents
    were totally detached from reality – not more than most people
    I meet on a daily basis. They seemed to disagree with some of
    what you said, but not all of it. And then communication broke
    down.
    Well, that`s my honest opinion. (And BTW: I don`t understand
    how your spelling of “democrat” instead of “democratic” could
    result in Marsh ending the discussion. Perhaps it was just an
    excuse – because he was tired of this way of debating?)

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  34. PissedOffAmerican says:

    I need “second opinions”.
    Here are the links to two separate threads on Taylor Marsh’s site. Am I being too judgemental? Are these people as big of assholes as I give them credit for?
    http://tinyurl.com/crpmov
    http://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/04/18/how-obama-excused-torture/
    Please, be honest with me. Every time I go over there, I feel as though I’m dealing with a whole community of bloggers that are totally detached from reality, and that INCLUDES Marsh a good portion of the time.
    BTW, Marsh just accused me of anti-semitism on one of the threads I have linked to. WTF is a matter with those people over there? Anyway, I really am interested in some honest opinion about it. Is it just me?

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  35. TonyForesta says:

    I abhor all the worlds institutional religions Outraged American, a view all them as political economic entities seeking political and economic gains with absolutely ZERO interest in religion.
    The worlds religions a bathed in oceans of innocent blood. That said, it is that are bent on murdering everyone on earth who is not jihadi, and so of all the evil incarnate on earth wearing the mask of this or that religion, – jihadists are the most diabolic.
    “The best hope for freedom is to strange the last king with the entrails of the last priest.”

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  36. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Skill level” is a marshmellow from Taylor Marsh’s site that posts under the name KRULURK. A true thorn in my side over there, who has made it her mission to derail ANY attempt I make to debate the actual issues raised on that site. She has also been lurking over at Nina’s blog, doing seasrches on “PissedOffAmerican”. I imagine its only a matter of time before she or another jackass by the name of GeoT try to disrupt and sully Nina’s efforts. Taylor has amassed an astounding community of umittigated jackasses over there.
    But, hey, as I’m sure you’ll agree, Steve, if nothing else, I’m tenacious.
    Hope you’re well, man.
    And thanks for setting KRULURK straight.

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  37. Steve Clemons says:

    Skill Level — you are mistaken. best, steve clemons

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  38. Skill Level says:

    “Outraged American” is aka “PissedOffAmerican” am I right? couldn’t he have used a better disguise?

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  39. Outraged American says:

    Before our second, horrendous, assault on Fallujah, some of the
    Marines taking part were baptized as “Christians.” This while
    their commander declared that Satan was in Fallujah.
    Mr. Foresta, what make our jihadi “Christianity” better than jihadi
    Islam?
    As most experts on the Middle East agree, the Israel / Palestine
    issue is the root of the anger directed towards us by “radical
    Islam.”
    Yet because of organizations like AIPAC (the American Israel
    Public Affairs Committee) our government is bribed and
    threatened into carte blanche support of Israel, a self-avowed
    Jewish theocracy.
    And now, the jihadi Jews are running Israel and threatening WW
    III
    So can the hypocrisy please. We lost approximately 3000 people
    on Sept. 11: a good portion were not Americans, and yet our
    government, UsRael, has used that one tragic day to run
    roughshod over three countries and our Bill of Rights.
    And Israel alone has used it to justify its ongoing genocide of
    the Palestinians.
    Scenario for 2009 Israeli Strike on Iran (the end of the world as
    we know it…)
    by Gordon Prather, April 18, 2009
    http://tinyurl.com/d2mxog

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  40. TonyForesta says:

    Impressive effort Mr. Clemons. “…More open discussion about the policy challenges facing the countries — in bilateral, regional/Middle East, and global terms”, is an honorable enterprize. Ten thousand thanks.
    Would you, could you pretty please deliver a missive to the esteemed Saudi royals that funding, supporting, and nurturing the malignancies of wahabism and jihadist islam – is the work of an enemy, – NOT a friend of America.

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  41. michael claussen says:

    Once again I am so impressed with your ability to
    open doors to uncomfortable rooms with
    occasionally wobbly chairs and broken tea cups,
    yet let the sun shine in to catch us all smiling
    at a glimpse of what could be. Hats off to you,
    Steve

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  42. Outraged American says:

    Israel is about to start WW III: “Israel stands ready to bomb Iran’s
    nuclear sites” (Times UK):
    “The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial
    assault on Iran’s nuclear facilities within days of being given the
    go-ahead by its new government.”
    Entire article at this link
    http://tinyurl.com/ct77ou
    It’s time that Israel ceases to get any kind of aid from the U.S.
    Sh*tty, little country indeed.

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