TGIF: The Campaign Funnies, Fair and Balanced

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Inspired by occasional TWN reader, George Stephanopoulos. . .
First on the pro-McCain side:

Moonbats dropping like flies from PDS epidemic
It’s America’s newest disease – only diagnosed by some in the media a few days ago – but it is spreading among the nation’s Beautiful People at an alarming rate.
You know it by its initials – PDS. Palin Derangement Syndrome.
You can watch the victims of PDS on TV every night, frothing at the mouth in front of Obama banners, repeating scurrilous lies lifted from left-wing blogs or just making up new whoppers as they go along. It’s an epidemic – Palin Derangement Syndrome swept through MSNBC studios this week and claimed two anchors, who are survived by dozens of viewers.
The bad news is, PDS appears to be incurable. The good news is, it only strikes one demographic group – moonbats.

And then a re-charging pro-Obama video, Les Misbarack:

— Steve Clemons
Update: One regular reader’s note has to be added in an update:

An apt metaphor. The next day that namby pamby crew of pie-in-the-sky elitist student idealists was slaughtered on the barricade and was washed away in a river of their own blood.
It’s my favorite musical.


— Steve Clemons

Comments

51 comments on “TGIF: The Campaign Funnies, Fair and Balanced

  1. anatol says:

    shattup:
    “Tahoe, you just need to face the fact that McCain made a terrible decision, it was an obvious political maneuver, and nothing else. Palin’s shine will wear off just in time for the election”
    shattup, Ed Kilgore in The Democratic Strategist commented on the Palin decision to the effect that the genius of it is in the fact that whatever negative is said about Palin can be easily turned on Obama (an obvious fact eagerly overlooked by Obama’s supporters).
    BOTH Palin and Obama are obviously unqualified and flawed candidates, chosen for blatant political reasons. The biggest difference is that Obama’s shine lasted over a year – roughly till Penn primary; after that he’s been dragged over the finish line. Palin’s shine needs to last for only 2 months. I don’t know if it will, but if Obama’s lasted for over a year, it just might…

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  2. anatol says:

    Tahoe Editor:
    “Granted, Obama doesn’t know how to attack, because he doesn’t attack, because he’s the New Kind Of Politics, until he’s finally in full panic mode and does attack, and does it very very poorly.”
    TE, Obama knows how to attack very well, and has no scruples – see e.g. how he made the Clintons into racists, or how he eliminated his opponents during his Illinois elections. See also how he bought / intimidated / browbeat the Dem leadership with a skillful mix of fund raising success, intra-party politicking, racial smearing and racial guilt.
    His (and ours) problem is that all that plays well in the DEMOCRATIC (big D) politics, and Obama never had a serious general election opponent – until now. See how Clintons failed to shake off false allegations of racism, and how McCain easily shut that smear down for good. Bear in mind that the Repubs haven’t yet started negative campaign for real – lets see what will be left of Obama by November 4.
    The only silver lining for me is that maybe Obama’s resounding defeat will bury that sleazy brand of intra-party Dem politics for a generation, together with the national prospects of that politics figurehead and his enablers (provided the world will survive 4 years of McCain-Palin). Hope and change indeed…

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  3. WigWag says:

    “And this statement is a doozy: “By the way, if Obama wins I will be happy to admit, that despite the fact that I preferred Clinton, Obama was a strong enough candidate to win.”
    Now Sweetness, why did you bifurcate my quote. You left out the last sentence that I wrote.
    I said,
    “I will be very happy to have been wrong!”
    Now it doesn’t seem to me to be all that unreasonable to ask that should Obama lose, Obama supporters admit their mistake.

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  4. arthurdecco says:

    Re: Mr.Murder Sep 12, 8:40PM
    It couldn’t have been said any more eloquently or plainly than the way you said it in your post, Mr. Murder.
    Kathleen, thanks for Mr. Peter’s story.

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  5. Kathleen says:

    POA…I remember your sensitivity to the plight of Hopi/Navajo being forcibly relocated thanks to McCain’s legislation…thought you might find this article by an Alaskan Native on Palin interesting…meanwhile, I’m so profoundly heartsick about the current state of affairs, I can’t write much…I do read all of you, tho…
    An Alaska Native speaks out on Palin, Oil, and Alaska
    By Evon Peter
    evonpeter@mac.com
    My name is Evon Peter; I am a former Chief of the Neetsaii Gwich’in tribe from Arctic Village, Alaska and the current Executive Director of Native Movement. My organization provides culturally based leadership development through offices in Alaska and Arizona. My wife, who is Navajo, and I have been based out of Flagstaff, Arizona for the past few years, although I travel home to Alaska in support of our initiatives there as well. It is interesting to me that my wife and I find ourselves as Indigenous people from the two states where McCain and Palin originate in their leadership.
    I am writing this letter to raise awareness about the ongoing colonization and violation of human rights being carried out against Alaska Native peoples in the name of unsustainable progress, with a particular emphasis on the role of Sarah Palin and the Republican leadership. My hope is that it helps to elevate truth about the nature of Alaskan politics in relation to Alaska Native peoples and that it lays a framework for our path to justice.
    Ever since the Russian claim to Alaska and the subsequent sale to the United States through the Treaty of Cession in 1867, the attitude and treatment towards Alaska Native peoples has been fairly consistent. We were initially referred to as less than human “uncivilized tribes”, so we were excluded from any dialogues and decisions regarding our lands, lives, and status. The dominating attitude within the Unites States at the time was called Manifest Destiny; that God had given Americans this great land to take from the Indians because they were non-Christian and incapable of self-government. Over the years since that time, this framework for relating to Alaska Native peoples has become entrenched in the United States legislative and legal systems in an ongoing direct violation of our human rights.
    What does this mean? Allow me to share an analogy. If a group of people were to arrive in your city and tell you their people had made laws, among which were:
    1. What were once your home and land now belong to them (although you could live in the garage or backyard)
    2. Forced you to send your children to boarding schools to learn their language and be acculturated into their ways with leaders who touted “Kill the American, save the man” (based on the original statement made by US Captain Richard H. Pratt in regards to Native American education “Kill the Indian, save the man.”)
    3. Supported missionaries and government agents to forcefully (for example, with poisons placed on the tongues of your children and withheld vaccines) convince you that your Jesus, Buddha, Torah, or Mohammed was actually an agent of evil and that salvation in the afterlife could only be found through believing otherwise
    4. Made it illegal for you to continue to do your job to support your family, except under strict oversight and through extensive regulation
    5. Made it illegal for you to own any land or run a business as an individual and did not allow you to participate in any form of their government, which controlled your life (voting or otherwise)
    How would this make you feel? What if you also knew that if you were to retaliate, that you would be swiftly killed or incarcerated? How long do you think it would take for you to forget or would you be sure to share this history with your children with the hope that justice could one day prevail for your descendents? And most importantly to our conversation, how American does this sound to you?
    To put this into perspective, my grandfather who helped to raise me in Arctic Village was born in 1904, just thirty-seven years after the United States laid claim to Alaska. If my grandfather had unjustly stolen your grandfathers home and I was still living in the house and watching you live outdoors, would you feel a change was in order? Congress unilaterally passed most of the major US legislation that affect our people in my grandfathers’ lifetime. There has never been a Treaty between Alaska Native Peoples and the United States over these injustices. Each time that Alaska Native people stand up for our rights, the US responds with token shifts in its laws and policies to appease the building discontent, yet avoiding the underlying injustice that I believe can be resolved if leadership in the United States would be willing to acknowledge the underlying injustice of its control over Alaska Native peoples, our lands, and our ways of life.
    United States legal history in relation to Alaska Natives has been based on one major platform – minimize the potential for Alaska Native people to regain control of their lives, lands, and resources and maximize benefit to the Unites States government and its corporations. While the rest of the world, following World War II, was seeking to return African and European Nations to their rightful owners, the United States pushed in the opposite direction by pulling the then Territory of Alaska out of the United Nations dialogues and pushing for Statehood into the Union. Why is it that Alaska Native Nations are still perceived as being incapable of governing our own lands, lives, and resources differently than African, Asian, and European nations?
    Let me get specific about what is at stake and how this relates to Palin and the Republican leadership in Alaska and across this country. To this day, Alaska Native peoples are among the only Indigenous peoples in all of North America whose Indigenous Hunting and Fishing Rights have been extinguished by federal legislation and yet we are the most dependent people on this way of life. Most of our villages have no roads that connect them to cities; many live with poverty level incomes, and all rely to varying degrees on traditional hunting, fishing, and harvesting for survival. This has become known as the debate on Alaska Native Subsistence.
    As Alaska Governor, Palin has continued the path of her predecessor Frank Murkowski in challenging attempts by Alaska Native people to regain their human right to their traditional way of life through subsistence.
    The same piece of unilateral federal legislation, known as the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA) of 1971, that extinguished our hunting and fishing rights, also extinguished all federal Alaska Native land claims and my Tribe’s reservation status. In the continental United States, this sort of legislation is referred to as ‘termination legislation’ because it takes the rights of self-government away from Tribes. It is based in the same age-old idea that we are not capable of governing our people, lands, and resources. To justify these terminations, ANCSA also created Alaska Native led for-profit corporations (which were provided the remaining lands not taken by the government and a one time payment the equivalent of about 1/20th of the annual profits made by corporations in Alaska each year) with a mission of exploiting the land in partnership with the US government and outside corporations. It was a brilliant piece of legislation for the legal termination and cultural assimilation of Alaska Natives under the guise of progress.
    Since the passage of ANCSA, political leaders in Alaska, with a few exceptions, have maintained that, as stated by indicted Senator Ted Stevens, “Tribes have never existed in Alaska.” They maintain this position out of fear that the real injustice being carried out upon Alaska Natives may break into mainstream awareness and lead to a re-opening of due treaty dialogues between Alaska Native leaders and the federal government. At the same time the federal government chose to list Alaska Native tribes in the list of federally recognized tribes in 1993. Governor Palin maintains that tribes were federally recognized but that they do not have the same rights as the tribes in the continental United States to sovereignty and self-governance, even to the extent of legally challenging our Tribes rights pursuant to the Indian Child Welfare Act. What good are governments that can’t make decisions concerning their own land and people?
    Evon Peter is the Executive Director of Native Movement and former Chief of the Neetsaii Gwich’in from Arctic Village in northeastern Alaska. He has served as the Co-Chair of the Gwich’in Council International, on the Executive Board of the Alaska Inter-Tribal Council, and as an alternate area Vice-President to the National Congress of American Indians. Evon is a well-recognized advocate of Indigenous Peoples rights, youth, and a balanced world, active as a speaker, strategist, writer, and organizer. His experience includes work within the United Nations and Arctic Council forum representing Indigenous and environmental interests. He dedicates a significant portion of his time to youth leadership development, movement and coalition building, and gathering facilitation. He holds a bachelors degree in Alaska Native studies with a minor in Political Science and is pursuing a Masters degree in Rural Development from the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. Evon is featured in the 2005 award winning feature film “Homeland: Four Portraits of Native Action,” that follows the work of four Indigenous people who are working on issues of Environmental Justice in North America.

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  6. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Other than the fact Palin fired someone who should not have been a cop anyways”
    Why don’t you get your facts straight? Its obvious you don’t know what the hell you are talking about, who was fired, how or why.
    Or are you just another liar, trying to create a separate reality around this thing like our not-a-jackass Tahoe?
    After you’ve gathered even a cursury understanding of the facts, THEN comment.

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  7. DonS says:

    Thanks for that Steve. I see Shields as an old hand when it comes to gauging political winds.
    I found his one voiced criticism of Palin, though I only saw clips of the interview, the same a mine: complete, concrete surity when she was asked to be VP. Where’s the humilty. We don’t need more gut reactions and lack of nuance, especially in foreign affairs.
    — best to you, Don

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  8. Steve Clemons says:

    DonS — I had a drink with CNN’s Bill Schneider the other night,
    someone who I think tilts conservatively but still sees the political
    world as it is, and he said the same ad Mark Shields.
    best, Steve Clemons

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  9. DonS says:

    Last night on News Hour — I only caught the tail end — Mark Shields squeezed in this final comment about Paalin: “I think — I would say this. We may be seeing her highest point right now.”
    I hope to God he’s right.

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  10. Steve Clemons says:

    McCain’s decision changed the potential outcome of this race. We
    can debate whether we think it is right for the country — but there
    is no doubt at this point that his choice dramatically changed and
    improved the chances of his winning.

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  11. DonS says:

    Phony? Did you say phony?
    Here’ the phony with a phone? Lies and more lies.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/yes-mccain-can-use-electr_n_126130.html

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  12. shattup says:

    Tahoe, you just need to face the fact that McCain made a terrible decision, it was an obvious political maneuver, and nothing else. Palin’s shine will wear off just in time for the election, and America will elect the right person for the job, not some disingenuous geriatric liar.
    Tahoe, you’re delusional.
    And Kotzabasis, I watched the 9/11 ceremony too. And what you said just isn’t true. In fact, I thought McCain was a bit overly showy with his “empathy” as you call it.
    I think McCain is an absolute phony.

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  13. Andreas says:

    So let’s get this straight:
    Someone who reads books = Elitist ?
    OK.
    I love how the bible-thumping Republicans try to speak on education, but if you get too much of it, you become “elitist”.
    Don’t they know that poor people don’t vote for them?

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  14. kotzabasis says:

    Has anyone seen at the ceremony of 9/11 when both Barrack Obama and John McCain were approaching the tomb to render their respect to those who had lost their lives how each of them placed their flower on the tomb Obama by flicking it throwing it and McCain reverentially laying it on the tomb? This action in itself shows the gravitas of character between the two candidates and the degree of loyalty each has for America. This indifferent nonchalant attitude of Obama toward the fallen alone should cost him the election.
    If one cannot show real EMPATHY for the dead he has ever lost it for the living. Obama’s so called empathy for the poor and disadvantaged has the gravity of a FLICK.

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  15. Mr.Murder says:

    PoA, procedure is what it is. It’s quite plainly an example of agitprop. Everyone is running against Palin in AK like she did against Murkowski’s machine. To the extent it can help them. They are reforming, so they can move up to the Gov’s seat as a reformer.
    This isn’t far from the licensing board/zoning shenanigans and the overlaying earmarks/raise items for Mrs.Obama.
    Other than the fact Palin fired someone who should not have been a cop anyways. She didn’t keep a former in law on payroll who was a bad cop.
    That’s not going to get a ton of traction. Let’s look as close at the Rezko letters for earmarks, some zoning deals for personal and private interests, and circular favor/perks machine that peculated a raise for Michelle Obama when her hubby was a State Sen.
    Neither really clears the bar for competency.
    As for the other comments, which were ironically posted continually to give it deserved emphasis on an inadvertent scale of magnamity, there is a point to be made.
    All you newbies can take you caucus going and put it where the midnight sun shines for several months’ time. He has flip flopped from running there to trying for traction in the states Hillary won. Never mind the fact people downticket poll better when they avoid Obama’s mention for races run off regular election cycles.
    Those are major signal flares.
    Then let’s get to the VP focus.
    The more you attack Palin the more it lowers you to her level. For a President to be concerned with someone who is subordinate as opposed to his own vision as a leader is pretty petty and it does get noticed.
    He’s fumbling every step of the way.
    Obama had better get off of the “Me/I” talk and get onto the “We” talk.
    He needs to remind people that there are concrete examples of republican policy that he must tag to each issue.
    It’s better to vote present than vote absent mindedly, could have been a good counter there.

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  16. Sweetness says:

    Wig writes: “If McCain wins will you admit that you should have
    supported Clinton and that supporting Obama was a mistake?”
    What Hillary might have done is utter speculation. No one can
    tell. Many, many people felt she was too divisive to ever win.
    She only “got down” with the working class when she was
    casting about for a way to beat Obama. She was no working
    class hero before that. In fact, she was the epitome of the
    Eastern elite.
    And frankly, if she had run her campaign as incompetently as
    she ran her primary campaign, there’s a reasonable chance she
    would have lost. To my mind, her biggest weakness was her
    assumption that she was somehow entitled to the win, and this
    same sense of entitlement could easily have doomed her general
    campaign.
    But CLEARLY, there is NO way to tell. Saying otherwise is just
    fun parlor games.
    And this statement is a doozy: “By the way, if Obama wins I will
    be happy to admit, that despite the fact that I preferred Clinton,
    Obama was a strong enough candidate to win.”
    Whether you’d be willing to admit this or not is of absolutely no
    consequence, because if Obama wins, he will have been strong
    enough to win. You’re agreeing to admit a fact is hardly a
    concession. By contrast, you’re asking us to agree to something
    that can never be anything more than speculation.
    So no, if Obama loses, it does NOT follow that Clinton would
    have won. I’m sorry. You’re starting to “reason” like Carroll,
    which should worry you. (Pssst. Jews are supposed to be smart.)

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  17. Carroll says:

    This may sound petty and snide but I am begining to wonder if McCain’s injuries from being a POW are being exaggerated. I saw a news clip that showed McCain and other POW’s getting off the plane on their return to the states and he didn’t look bad off at all, not as bad as the others. He was limping slightly on one leg but otherwise was very perky, walking fast and swinging his arms and shaking hands. He didn’t look bent over and stiff like he does now. I think maybe whatever his injuries were are exacerbated more by his not aging well and not being physically active.

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  18. Linda says:

    Y’all sure know how to go off topic and ruin a fun TGIF thread.
    One of my favorite operas/musical comedies is Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill’s “The Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny”.
    TE, it’s a lot darker than “Les Miz.” Then I had to LOL because it’s so appropriate! You can check it out on Wikipedia.
    Scroll down to Scene 4 and read about one of the main characters, Jimmy Mahoney, an ALASKAN lumberjack who sets out with three of his buddies to go to Mahgonny. Then look at Scene 11 because a HURRICANE is threatening the city.
    Perhaps Ike, Bertolt and Kurt are just looking down and having some fun with us!

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  19. WigWag says:

    Sorry for the multiple posts. It’s the captcah thing again.
    Mea Culpa!

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  20. Jim says:

    **Forget that he can’t type on a keyboard because of his severe
    war injuries.**
    Good lord.
    Is it his “severe war injuries” that prevent him from sharing his
    magickal super secret formula for winning wars? and capturing
    bin Laden? From telling the truth about his running mate’s
    record? Understanding issues like the difference between Sunni
    and Shi’a? His own position on immigration? Birth control as
    medication? Foreign aid used to fund birth control (this was
    what prompted the should-be-famous “what’s my position on
    that?”)? His position on education (The SBF “I’ll let Senator
    Lieberman explain my position on that”)? His disgusting flip-
    flops on, um, torture?
    Personally, I’d attribute it to the same intellect that made him
    fifth from last in his class rank at the Naval Academy, to which
    he was admitted as a legacy.
    It’s ironic that Obama is dimissed as the empty rhetorician.
    McCain entire governing ‘philosophy’ could be reduced to a
    half-dozen ringing, but ultimately hollow, key words: Duty,
    Honor (a sick joke at this point), Sacrifice (tax cuts for you! more
    debt for your children!), Something Larger Than Ourselves…
    Waddaya know? He doesn’t even have six.

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  21. WigWag says:

    “Clinton would have been beaten badly”
    Oh really, questions. Let’s put your theory to the test.
    According to Five Thirty Eight, these are the states that Obama currently has a strong lead in: Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware, New York, Maryland, Washington, D.C., Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, and California.
    Five Thirty Eight says he has a weak lead in Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon and Washington.
    I can’t help but wonder which of these states you think Hillary Clinton might have lost.
    Care to mention one or two? The only one that looks even remotely possible to me is Iowa. Other than Iowa she would have been doing as well or better than Obama in every single one of these states.
    Now here are the states that Five Thirty Eight says that Obama is currently losing. If he won the right combination, they would put him over the top.
    Florida. Hillary Clinton won the primary and as a New Yorker would easily have won. Bill Clinton carried it twice. Ohio. Governor Strickland was a huge Hillary supporter. She won the primary, Obama lost the primary. Missouri. This one is hard for any Democrat but Clinton won the primary not Obama. Indiana. This state is also tough for any Democrat but Clinton won the primary even though the state borders Obama’s home state of Illinois. That is remarkable. It would be like Obama beating Clinton in New Jersey. Arkansas. Obama’s chance in Arkansas is zero. Due to her popularity and Bill’s she would have won Arkansas in a cake walk. West Virginia. Bill Clinton won it twice. Hillary Clinton absolutely crushed Obama in the Primary. They love the Clintons in West Virginia. One paper said if Hillary and Bill moved to West Virginia they would be given a crown and scepter and invited to be King and Queen for life. Nevada. Obama is behind. Bill Clinton won Nevada the second time he ran and Hillary Clinton beat Obama in the Nevada primary despite the best effort of the leaders of the Hotel Workers Union. The rank and file defied their leaders to vote for Clinton.
    Now let’s look at states where Obama is now losing but his supporters think he is strong. Virginia. Obama is probably stronger than Clinton is in Virginia but with a big Senatorial win by Mark Warner, who knows what might have happened. Colorado. Obama may be stronger than Clinton would have been in Colorado. But at the moment Five Thirty Eight shows Obama losing Colorado despite the fact that the Democratic Convention was there.
    Now lets look at all the States that Obama supporters claimed would be in play for him but not for Clinton.
    Texas, Clinton won the primary but the bizarre Democratic rules gave more Texas Delegates to Obama. Obama is getting blown out and has now pulled all his field people from Texas.
    South Carolina. Obama supporters claimed that Obama could win in South Carolina. They ridiculed Bill Clinton for disparaging Obama’s victory there. Obama is getting blown out by McCain. Obama’s chances are zero.
    Georgia. Obama supporters claimed he could put this state in play. Obama trails McCain by double digits.
    North Carolina. Obama supporters pretended he could win there, but even they knew the chances were zero.
    Indiana, despite Clinton’s primary victory, Obama supporters claimed that because it was a neighboring state, he could win. No one thinks Obama will win Indiana.
    Montana. Obama trails by 9 points in the most recent poll.
    Questions your assertion that Clinton would have been beaten badly just doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
    Most importantly, Clinton would be doing far better in the three states that matter most: Pennsylvania (where Obama is clinging to a 3 point lead), Florida where Obama trails by 6-8 points and Ohio where Obama trails by 4-7 points.
    Any objective observer would have to conclude that Clinton would be doing far better than Obama is, at least so far.

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  22. Jim says:

    Forget that he can’t type on a keyboard because of his
    severe war injuries.
    Good lord.
    Is it his “severe war injuries” that prevent him from sharing his
    magickal super secret formula for winning wars? and capturing
    bin Laden? From telling the truth about his running mate’s
    record? Understanding issues like the difference between Sunni
    and Shi’a? His own position on immigration? Birth control as
    medication? Foreign aid used to fund birth control (this was
    what prompted the should-be-famous “what’s my position on
    that?”)? His position on education (The SBF “I’ll let Senator
    Lieberman explain my position on that”)?
    It’s ironic that Obama is dimissed as the empty rhetorician.
    McCain entire governing ‘philosophy’ could be reduced to a
    half-dozen ringing, but ultimately hollow, key words: Duty,
    Honor (a sick joke at this point), Sacrifice (tax cuts for you! more
    debt for your children!), Something Larger Than Ourselves…
    Waddaya know? He doesn’t even have six.

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  23. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “You are crossing into Separation of Powers issues on that”
    Fact of the matter is, if the vindictivbe bitch had nothing to hide, the investigation would be over by now. So all you criminal jackasses have left is legal manuevering and cries of executive privilege, separation of powers, yadayadayada.
    Anyone that has paid even a SMALL amount of attention to the FACTS, the KNOWN facts, knows that Palin was on a vendetta, she grossly abused her power, and she has lied, irrefutably, on at least two occassions about this issue. Now she is stonewalling like there’s no tomorrow, while the GOP spin machine reaches out to the slobbering ignorant masses of Limbaughland.
    What amazes me is the lengths you people will go to to deny truths. Gads you are a despicably slimey lot.

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  24. Mr.Murder says:

    You are crossing into Separation of Powers issues on that.

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  25. PissedOffAmarican says:

    YES!!!!!
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/
    AK Judiciary Committee Votes to Authorize Subpoenas in Trooper-Gate, Including for Todd Palin
    By Kate Klonick – September 12, 2008, 3:40PM
    The Alaska Senate Judiciary Committee voted today to authorize Trooper-Gate projector director Hollis French (D) to issue subpoenas requested by investigator Stephen Branchflower. The subpoenas are part of the continuing investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin, and include a subpoena for the testimony of the First Gentleman, Todd Palin.
    Branchflower requested the power to issue thirteen subpoenas, including a request for the testimony of the governor’s husband because he is “such a central figure” to the Trooper-Gate controversy, he thought “one should be issued for him.”
    The committee debated for over two hours, with Sen. Bill Wielechowski (D) pushing to keep politics out of the investigation and moved to pass the motion in the senate.
    Exact wording of the motion from the Senate Records:
    SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI moved:
    Pursuant to AK 24.25.010(b), I move that you be authorized to issue subpoenas to the following individuals and for the following documents: Frank Bailey, Diane Kiesel, Annette Kreitzer, Nicki Neal, Brad Thompson, Michael Nizich, Don Bitney, Ivy Frye, Kris Perry, Janice Mason, Todd Palin, Randy Ruaro, Murlene Wilkes; cell phone records for Frank Bailey for the period of February 1, 2008 through March 31, 2008. This authorization is contingent upon concurrence of the Senate President.
    Passed 3 to 2.
    Sen. Charlie Huggins (R) crossed the aisle, voting in favor of the motion, and joined Wielechowski in his plea to move the investigation forward.
    “I see all this duck-foot action under the water,” Sen. Charlie Huggins (R) said. “And I’m here, on a break from my moose-huntin’ trip, to say let’s just get the facts on the table. ”
    Sen. Lesil McGuire (R) attempted to amend the motion so that the subpoenas would not be issued until after the election. The amendment was voted down by Huggins, Wielechowski and French.
    The House Judiciary Committee was present as well and voted unanimously in an advisory capacity in favor of allowing Branchflower to issue the subpoenas. The authorization of the motion is contingent on Senate President Lyda Green’s (R) concurrence with the Senate Judiciary Committee.

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  26. questions says:

    Clinton would have been beaten badly. Plenty of Clinton hatred to energize the base, plenty of nasty issues, plenty of WigWag-diagnosed media sexism, no energized young dems pouring money in via the internet, and Bill, as you noted, couldn’t break 50%. Evangelicals freak over abortion and Clinton, money people freak over Clinton, Obama die-hards freak over Clinton….
    The Repubs are very effective at ruining political discourse and running national campaigns. They get a lot of support from talk radio and Fox and the networks and many newspapers. They have some good and devious people who figure out ways to charge others with their own faults and make the charges stick.
    Just look at the Clinton sex scandals — how many of the impeachers were guilty of the sins they were casting stones for…..
    So, no, not a mistake.
    The real mistake is that people in this country don’t get the info they need, sometimes can’t get over racism, often misidentify their class and class interests.
    Maybe it’s time to start doing economics readings of politics. All the irrational behaviors economists have identified could likely be applied directly to political decision-making. There’s a dissertation in there somewhere.
    And, finally, the election isn’t over. The numbers are still very close and Obama may yet surge ahead.

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  27. Mr.Murder says:

    She respects other’s views, so long as she can cloak her contempt of liberals in coded language or mock persons.
    Let’s see how well that plays to a world stage.
    What happens when she gets all hat no cattle with Putin over the offshore oil rights for waters in the Bering?
    Think she won’t try to treat him like we’ve treated Castro? Someone else that she seems not to have been asked about.
    We’re way out ahead of you on this one.

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  28. WigWag says:

    This is a question for any Obama supporter out there with more guts than the candidate you support.
    If McCain wins will you admit that you should have supported Clinton and that supporting Obama was a mistake?
    By the way, if Obama wins I will be happy to admit, that despite the fact that I preferred Clinton, Obama was a strong enough candidate to win.
    I will be very happy to have been wrong!
    What about you?

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  29. Mr.Murder says:

    It’s Cheney doctrine, not Bush doctrine.
    Cheney’s unitary authority is granted by the President.
    No person in America is granted the power to grant marques of nobility. It should be argued that Bush cannot grant any power not stated to him, and not bound the same procedural parameters.
    Cheney’s attempt to claim otherwise constitutes the assumption of nobility. His post defies oversight under the Yoo/Addington/Roberts doctrine.
    This is antagonistic to the very notion of a Constitutional Republic.

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  30. Neo Controll says:

    Pull the plug. He’s over the top. Encouraged by being in the spotlight.
    –NHQ

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  31. Tahoe Editor says:

    Palin explicitly stated she respects others’ views on abortion. She is literally the perfect American candidate on this issue — she chooses life at all turns but won’t push it on others. With the American electorate, that is absolutely WIN-WIN.
    Ensuring a woman’s right to make sure a born-alive baby can be smothered? Not such a winner with the electorate.

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  32. questions says:

    The main elements of the Bush Doctrine were delineated in a National Security Council document, National Security Strategy of the United States, published on September 20, 2002 and this document is often cited as the definitive statement of the doctrine.
    The doctrine of pre-emptive war is the most notable and contentious element in that 2002 document. Gibson’s definition, to me, seems dead on. Karl Rove’s own definition confirms it:
    …He said that the biggest Bush legacy will be what he terms the “Bush doctrine.” It “says if you train a terrorist, harbor a terrorist, feed a terrorist, you will be treated like a terrorist yourself. And then the corollary of that, which is that we will not wait until dangers fully materialize before taking action.”
    The corollary is the point. The way Krauthammer is splitting hairs really shows that Gibson’s interview cut the right-wing to the bone. Palin was completely oblivious. I don’t think we can back down now.
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/12/194815/160/233/596756

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  33. Mr.Murder says:

    As for real contact, the DNC/DLC/DLCC has contacted me at different times.
    Most recently, a advocate contacted me about down ticket support and candidate information.
    We vote line Democrat except for local races here. A family member is a four time elected independent incumbent. I thanked him for the call and his efforts, encouraged the young man, and told him that they need to get word out in broad terms.
    No more Obama about Obama, “I/me” and lots of “WE” for how we address solutions.
    How does this affect the everyday voter? Let’s put it in terms that benefit the average American.
    It’s my belief the recent visit with Clinton, the counsel Obama received from Bill addressed this the same way.
    Volunteer contacts, down ticket support, local races.
    If I hear one more person mention Sarah Palin being Pro Life I want to hear her address the fact the pro lifers got in the Schiavo business.
    I want to hear Sarah Palin explain why she supports the GOP policy that limits liability awards for unborn infants loss of life like it does everything else. Why does she support a double standard?
    Follow the money. The GOP never cared about life. What about unborn Iraqi babies that died from war?
    Shut these god-damned crotch Nazis up about their efforts to get in the business of a woman’s personal sovereignty. The GOP wants a flip flop on Palin’s daughter and still wants to get in your own daughter’s lifestyle choices for access to contraception or the availability of a morning after pill.
    McCain/Palin ’08
    Palin/coat hanger ’12
    That’s where where this is headed.
    Keep doctors decisions in the hands of doctors, the decision of a woman is hers to make.
    I’m no fan of Obama, very lightweight, scant result at actual governance or leadership. That doesn’t mean I’ll surrender the idealogical soul of the country’s future to a bunch of drunken, NRA, Salem city council types who want to witch hunt the personal business of Americans and burn their book cards at the library.
    Look at what that world view reaped for them.
    What about the fact that Palin’s baby has universal health care needs and she’d scuttle the availability of that for the working class?
    Is she somehow absolved of being negligent to the health care needs of a country that is the only first world nation lacking universal coverage? Explain how this makes us competitive? Alaska gets the most per capita dollars of any state, a true nanny state. Funny how the GOP wants to brand universal coverage as a nanny state solution and they actually get a person for VP from a state that relies on the model of funding.
    Just because her daughter got knocked up she gets a free pass on shaping an entire generation in ignorance? Just because the Fed foot the bill on her state she has solutions to deny that for others?
    What about her liability limit support, doesn’t that violate the very awards she delivered for oil company graft in her own state? I got mine, not for you?
    I’ve yet to be convinced either candidate is much to vote for.
    Let’s see them move to policy that respects individual sovereignty on a consistent basis.
    Let’s see the same standard applied within the world community, provided human rights remain a protective threshold to transparency.

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  34. Tahoe Editor says:

    Exactly. And Olbermann is screaming on a loop on MSNDC: “She didn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is! She didn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is! She didn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is!”
    He plays clips from the Palin interview and then he plays a clip of the Miss America contestant saying, “such as” blah de blah.
    Anyone who is a true Dem believer should be outraged that this B.S. network is taking this stuff so lightly.
    MSNDC is at the bottom of the ratings barrel. When Obama loses, it will disintegrate.

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  35. questions says:

    “Yes, Sarah Palin didn’t know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn’t pretend to know — while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and “sounding like an impatient teacher,” as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes’ reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage. ”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457_2.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
    So Sarah still didn’t know. So there are 4 Bush Doctrines. So Gibson is a snob.
    “At least she didn’t pretend to know” — oh my — that’s all she’s been doing –pretending to know things.
    New talking points!!! Gibson is a snob everyone. Nvm that Sarah didn’t know any of the four formulations.

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  36. Tahoe Editor says:

    Maybe we can all get together and change the rules and caucus for the general election! Let’s caucus and get together and bring ice cream and watch Barack’s inauguration!

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  37. Mr.Murder says:

    A big difference between knowing how to use a mouse and being the prodcut of ratfockers.
    How’s that caucus state support goin’ for ya, newbie?

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  38. Tahoe Editor says:

    That’s a great story, DonS, but an attack that can be mocked & shot down in a matter of minutes is not political smarts. Granted, Obama doesn’t know how to attack, because he doesn’t attack, because he’s the New Kind Of Politics, until he’s finally in full panic mode and does attack, and does it very very poorly.
    If the Obama campaign has to trot out someone with polio and demonstrate his apt use of a PC to justify their ad, you know they are losing.
    American political campaigns have been vicious since the nation’s founding. This “once in a generation” faux leader is not going to change that.
    The media built him up, the media will dismantle him in 50 or so days.

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  39. DonS says:

    “Forget that he can’t type on a keyboard because of his severe war injuries.”
    A friend of mind is a polio victim and cannot move anything above the waist. He has to breath voluntarily, or die. He uses a ventilator at night. He is a professor of philosophy and has been for 30 years, and types with his feet.
    You are a slimy concern troll, Steve’s opinion to the contrary.

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  40. WigWag says:

    “Pelosi & Reid must be shown early retirement like a race horse that never performed. How’s that?”
    Perfect!

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  41. Tahoe Editor says:

    Nice faux indignation. I’m just sayin what happened.
    Obama hits back with “he can’t even use a computer or send an email!”
    Forget that he can’t type on a keyboard because of his severe war injuries.
    “In a similar vein I guess it’s an outrage that the blind governor of New York David Patterson doesn’t know how to drive a car.”
    Obama-Biden in full meltdown mode!
    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTliMTNiZjg5ZDEwZWNiZDYwZWFjN2JlNjNjNjkxZmM=

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  42. Matt says:

    I love how Tahoe Editor looks down with repugnance on Obama’s so-called “Put Down strategy” in one post, and then in the next praises a narrative for SLAUGHTERING idealistic students. You sound like a real sicko, Tahoe. Please stop putting us all through your own misery.

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  43. Tahoe Editor says:

    No, the French students were SLAUGHTERED.
    Barack should start rehearsing his concession song:
    “EMPTY SEATS IN EMPTY STADIUMS”
    There’s a grief that can’t be spoken.
    There’s a pain goes on and on.
    Empty chairs at empty tables
    Now my friends are dead and gone.
    Here they talked of revolution.
    Here it was they lit the flame.
    Here they sang about “tomorrow”
    And tomorrow never came.
    From the table in the corner
    They could see a world reborn
    And they rose with voices ringing
    I can hear them now!
    The very words that they had sung
    Became their last communion
    On the lonely barricade at dawn.
    Oh my friends, my friends forgive me!
    (The ghosts of those who died on the barricade appear)
    That I live and you are gone.
    There’s a grief that can’t be spoken.
    There’s a pain goes on and on.
    Phantom faces at the window.
    Phantom shadows on the floor.
    Empty chairs at empty tables
    Where my friends will meet no more.
    (The ghosts fade away)
    Oh my friends! my friiiiiieeeeeeeends! DON’T ASK ME
    WHAT YOUR SACRIFICE WAS FOR
    Empty chairs at empty tables
    Where my friends will sing no more.

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  44. Jan says:

    Regarding the nasty comment of your “regular reader”:
    Yes, but the French students won in the end, no?
    Liberte, egalite, fraternite!!

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  45. Tahoe Editor says:

    Sadly it’s been “developing” all day.
    Pelosi & Reid must be shown early retirement like a race horse that never performed. How’s that?

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  46. WigWag says:

    Tahoe, I prefer the phrase “forced to reliquish power” to the word “eliminated.” Your word sounds like something out of the Sopranos.
    Any idea when the Drudge story will appear?

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  47. DonS says:

    You know what, with concern trolls like y’all, we really don’t need an opposition claque.
    If you two are so damned concered about the fate of the coutry, why don’t you wait until after the election to wring your hands?
    John McSame and Kewpie Doll Palin spell the worst of the worst (and certainly of the options).
    Feh.

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  48. Tahoe Editor says:

    Pelosi & Reid must be eliminated.
    Drudge is developing a story that Reid referred to “President McCain.” He sure is quick to declare wars lost!

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  49. WigWag says:

    Right again, Tahoe (although I was once a fan of Saul Alinsky).
    And the Democrats need new leadership. People like Hillary Clinton, Governors Strickland and Rendell, etc.
    Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean are the problem not the solution. They only know how to appeal to a very narrow base of Democratic voters. Until they are forced to relinquish power, the Democrats are going no where fast.

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  50. Tahoe Editor says:

    An apt metaphor. The next day that namby pamby crew of pie-in-the-sky elitist student idealists was slaughtered on the barricade and was washed away in a river of their own blood.
    It’s my favorite musical.
    We don’t need BULLETS! We have HISTORY on our side! Onward! This Our Moment! This Is Our Time!
    The political establishment needs a mechanism to transfer the lessons of McGovern to the next generation. The Dems reinvent disaster every four years. They don’t need a New Kind of Politics; they need a New Kind of Organizing. Saul Alinsky doesn’t fly.

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