Saint Sarah Beats Expectations in Saint Paul

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Dividing a presidential convention between two cities — Minneapolis and Saint Paul — that are a half hour cab ride apart is a very good way to deflate enthusiasm and raw political energy, but tonight. . .finally. . .this convention woke up with a spark provided by former NY Mayor Rudy Giuliani and then a powerful home run speech by Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.
Expectations of Palin had been set so low by all of those who doubted her abilities and experience that perhaps any semi-competent talk would have done the trick, but clearly she was comfortable speaking powerfully to tens of millions on television and a packed stadium in St. Paul.
Substantively, I strongly disagreed with her tongue-in-cheek dismissal of Obama for wanting to stand by those who deserve to have their rights read to them in a way consistent with democracy. She portrayed herself as being a believer in liberty — distrustful of government, and then seemed to argue that some accused (possible terrorists) didn’t deserve the benefit of doubt that liberty promises and argued that an empowered government could judge who was evil and who was innocent without regard for basic human rights.
Palin talked a lot about fiscal responsibility, of sacking her chef, and selling former Senator and Alaska Governor Frank Murkowski’s state-provided luxury plane on EBay and wanting to bring those practices to Washington — but she mentioned nothing of the irresponsibility of waging the second most expensive war in American history with no regard to raising revenue to pay for it.
Like Bush and McCain and Cheney, Sarah Palin embraces war and lowering taxes. Suggesting that that is a fiscally responsible posture is neo-Orwellian.
Palin tried to build on the silly meme that Obama is somehow positioning himself as a modern Messiah:

What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he’s done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger. . .

It is the government of George W. Bush that she and McCain are trying to succeed that has made the reach of government into people’s private lives the most extensive and invasive in modern history — and the size of government as measured by the gap between receipts and expenditures is also the largest in American experience.
Palin, like George W. Bush and Cheney, seems to think that by asserting falsehoods or juxtaposing contradictory goals like maintaining a large forward based troop presence in Iraq but keeping taxes from going up sells just fine to Americans.
She may be right. I think that in contrast to Obama — whose selection of Joe Biden was smart and important in shoring up the Obama Team’s gravitas — Palin has been set up by McCain to be a new kind of 21st century “saint.”
She has a large, seemingly wonderful family — juggles her home cooking with running a large state as its chief executive. She has a snow mobile racing husband who is a North Shore oilman and she tackles corrupt “lobbying interests” and their cozy deals with politicos wherever she goes.
It’s a great story on many levels. Her husband is even a member of the United Steel Workers. Faint applause on that line though.
But despite my substantive differences with Palin, this performance tonight beat expectations and moved her to a new level. Her competition at this incredibly flat, low energy confab in St. Paul is thin — so one could easily argue that she had a lot of room to pull off a success. But that is too cynical.
She did a great job — and stared her doubters and the challenge down.
There is much about Sarah Palin we don’t know yet. Unlike Biden and Obama, we didn’t get much time to have our own public vetting of her before McCain’s decision — so there will be more fits and starts and twists and turns as other parts of her life are dredged up, over-analyzed, and judged by the American public.
But this is going to be very close race, particularly if nothing new and surprising shows up on Palin.
What no one will say just yet — but which I think the McCain folks tried to convey is that “Saint Sarah” just made her real debut in Saint Paul.
— Steve Clemons

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108 comments on “Saint Sarah Beats Expectations in Saint Paul

  1. Chesire11 says:

    Am I the only one who thought that Palin looked and sounded like a younger, more attractive version of Roseanne Barr? Down to her sneers and sarcasm – I found it chilling.

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  2. Tahoe Editor says:

    Pregnancy Truth Now! Pregnancy Truth Now!

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  3. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Read Tahoe’s last post.
    Anyone see anything there about wife beating? Yet thats the mantra he has fed us. Google Palin and “wife beating” and you will find thats the mantra ALL these scumsucking RW trolls and mouthpieces like Hannity are spewing. YET THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WOOTEN EVER BEAT HIS WIFE.
    And Tahoe is wrong, I DO know the truth about this more than many others, because I WANT the truth, and I look for it.
    Now, above, you see this asshole Tahoe blathering about my beliefs about the two Palin family pregnancies. Fact is, there is plenty of DIRECT EVIDENCE through which to conclude that many aspects of both pregnancies, as presented to us, are suspect.
    It is this piece of crap Tahoe’s JOB is to make sure that many DON’T know the truth. Thats what the scumbag DOES. Thats why he’s here.
    BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT WOOTEN EVER BEAT HIS WIFE. Yet thats what Tahoe has been saying for a coupla weeks now, that Wooten is a “wife beater”. And, gee, just coincidentally its the same shit being spread on ALL the RW blogs. So, its justa a bit stupid to consider Tahoe honest, credible, likable, possessing integrity, or more human than mud, isn’t it? Poor thing. It must suck making a living being a scumbag. But hey, thats politics today I guess.

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  4. Tahoe Editor says:

    Will’s last name is Bower, and he still lives in Washington.
    This election looks to be shaping up as Teddy Roosevelt vs. Saul Alinsky. TR wins, hands down.

    GERARD BAKER: It’s go west, towards the future of conservatism
    It never ceases to amaze me how the Left falls again and again into the old trap of underestimating politicians whom they don’t understand. From Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher to George Bush and Mrs Palin, they do it every time. Because these characters talk a bit funny and have ridiculously antiquated views about faith, family and nation, because they haven’t spent time bending the knee to the intellectual metropolitan elites, they can’t be taken seriously.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4677799.ece

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  5. egads says:

    Tahoe Editor, I read this blog a lot but don’t post here and basically just want to start a rumor.
    A while ago on this blog I read that Will Bowers is a friend of Steve Clemons and you mention that you are a friend of the estimable owner of this blog and so have the thought, based entirely on intuition nothing more, that you are Will Bowers.
    Here is an interview with Will Bowers, and his personality and opinions remind me of you, Tahoe Editor, from what can be gleamed of your writings on this blog…mind you, it’s an interview that goes back a few months:
    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/17/will-bowers-on-neil-cavutos-show/
    Will Bowers is a member if not the founding member of PUMA, someone who is so pissed off that Hillary didn’t get the nomination, is seeking to undermine Obama’s bid for presidency, for a multitude of reasons, not least of which is a desire to see the Republicans gain the presidency so they can continue to screw up the country, and therefore hope that Hillary runs again, and this time successfully, in 2012.
    Tahoe Editor or Will Bowers, this Sarah Palin could be highly toxic and dangerous for America. She is attractive on some levels which makes her difficult to deal with politically. But clearly as McCain’s partner she is part and parcel of the failed and shamed government that America now has…it’s hard to understand that anyone who has admired what Hillary has worked towards, would in any way try to defend this candidate mcCain and now her, his running mate.
    It’s just unbelievable that anyone who is remotely smart would do something like this.

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  6. Paul Norheim says:

    BRIEF GLIMPSE INTO PALIN`S VIEWS ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS
    Here`s a couple of quotes from Washington Post today:
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    Experts Helping Palin Brush Up on Foreign Policy
    By Michael Abramowitz and Juliet Eilperin
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Friday, September 5, 2008; Page A25
    ST. PAUL, Minn., Sept. 4 — Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman is among
    several national security experts helping brief Republican vice
    presidential nominee Sarah Palin on foreign policy issues as she
    prepares to hit the campaign trail while cramming for a debate
    with her Democratic opponent, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.), in
    less than a month, according to officials from Sen. John
    McCain’s campaign.
    Lieberman, who was the 2000 Democratic vice presidential
    nominee but is now an independent, has helped introduce Palin
    to officials of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the
    leading pro-Israel lobby. In a meeting Tuesday, the day before
    she delivered her prime-time address at the Republican
    National Convention here, Palin assured the group of her strong
    support for Israel, of her desire to see the United States move
    its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and of her opposition to
    Iran’s aspirations to become a nuclear power, according to
    sources familiar with the meeting.
    The exchange offered a brief glimpse into the views of the one-
    term governor of Alaska, who has virtually no record on foreign
    policy and has not traveled extensively outside the United
    States.
    (…..)
    One of Palin’s few meetings this week with outside groups was
    with AIPAC, a sign of how politically important it is for the GOP
    ticket to demonstrate its support of Israel. “We had a good,
    productive discussion on the importance of the U.S.-Israel
    relationship, and we were pleased that Governor Palin expressed
    her deep, personal commitment to the safety and well-being of
    Israel,” AIPAC spokesman Josh Block said. “She also expressed
    her support for the special friendship between the two
    democracies and said she would work to strengthen the ties
    between the United States and Israel.”
    ————
    Surprised?

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  7. arthurdecco says:

    yer a nut bar, Tahoe Editor. Bigga time!

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  8. Tahoe Editor says:

    1. A miserable man who accuses Sarah Palin of faking her pregnancy to cover for her daughter is a piece of crap.
    2. Piss = scumsuckin’ troll posting horseshit
    — Wooten threatened to kill Palin’s father and sister: “Mr. Palin will ‘eat a fvcking lead bullet’ if he helps his daughter divorce me.”
    — He drinks in his patrol car
    — he Tasered his step son
    You & I don’t know the truth of this more than anyone else, copy/paste as much as you like. My point, succinctly and finally, is that Wooten is not Alaska’s finest and Palin wants to take guns and badges and public funds away from law-breaking dead-beats. You can go down the trailer trash road if you need to, but I think this is less than a speed bump, is akin to Little Rock whisper campaigns, and in this instance the story gets her more sympathy, not less. The meme that because she wants the man who used to be married to her sister but is now off his rocker and is a law-breaking slacker who doesn’t rep the finest off the dole this makes her Dick Cheney and she will eliminate anyone who gets in her way, well, call MoveOn and have them print up the signs:
    Palin = Cheney! Pregnancy Test Now!
    Cuckoo for Coco Puffs.
    Never thought Josh Marshall would be dancing with Ken Starr I mean Steve Branchflower.

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  9. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Gee Tahoe, I’m sure all this stalling, equivicating, and legal manuevering is because she did nothing wrong, right? Uhm, uh, I’m still weaiting for you to substantiate your claim that Wotten is a “wife beater”.
    Tahoe, I’m just a little curious. Wouldn’t you say a person that accuses someone of being a “wife beater”, when they have no evidence with which to substantiate the accusation, is a real piece of crap?
    Just asking.
    Palin Refuses to Testify
    09.03.08 — 11:07AM By Josh Marshall
    It didn’t take long. We’ve already brought you news of the official investigation into Gov. Palin’s firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Steve Branchflower, the lead investigator, began trying to arrange a deposition of the governor days before her veep selection. And despite claiming executive privilege to shield requested emails, up until that point Palin had promised full cooperation with the probe.
    Now, however, she is refusing to submit to questioning by Branchflower unless he and the legislative committee that appointed him agree to relinquish control of the investigation and turn it over to a state review board made up of three Palin appointees.
    Yesterday, Palin took the unusual step of having her lawyer, Thomas van Flein, file an ethics complaint against her with the state’s Attorney General. This, she hopes, will lead the AG to give the investigation to the aforementioned state personnel board. Unless that happens, and Branchflower agrees to close down his investigation, she will refuse to testify.

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  10. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Still haven’t substantiated your claim that Wooten is a “wife beater”, I see. Actually, Tahoe, thats pretty funny. Seeing as how that was the ONLY rationale you offered for Palin’s actions in regards to Troopergate. Seems like the one argument you offered, by rote, doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, does it?
    Don’t you just hate it when your lies expose you as just another scumsuckin’ troll posting horseshit?

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  11. Paul Norheim says:

    Sorry about the broken link to the Palin-bikini-gun (photoshop-
    fake) article.
    Go to: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograp
    her/blog_index.html
    and scroll down a little bit, and you`ll find it.
    It`s an excellent photo blog, BTW.

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  12. Paul Norheim says:

    “Doesn’t an armed & loaded bikini-clad Sarah Barracuda beat
    William Ayers trampling the flag in Rolling Stone when it comes to
    the voting booth?”
    Tahoe, you still love that picture? Or do you appreciate it simply
    because it will convince the American people that Sarah Palin is a
    patriot?
    Well, you better get over it, because that photo was a fake. A
    lie. Change the GOP way – with a little help from Adobe
    Photoshop:
    http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograp
    her/2008/09/palin-spoof.html#comments

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  13. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Fired Commissioner: Palin Hasn’t Been Truthful on Trooper-Gate
    By Zachary Roth – September 4, 2008, 12:47PM
    It looks like the figure at the center of the Trooper-Gate probe thinks Sarah Palin hasn’t been entirely honest about her involvement in the matter.
    Walt Monegan, the former Alaska public safety commissioner, told ABC News today: “I think there are some questions now that, coming to light about how transparent and how honest she wants to be,” Monegan said.
    Monegan also said, as he has before, that he believes he was fired because of his reluctance to fire Mike Wooten, a state trooper who was embroiled in a bitter dispute with Palin’s family.
    Palin has been caught out in falsehoods on Trooper-Gate at least twice before. She originally said that her administration didn’t exert pressure on Monegan to fire Wooten, but had to backtrack after evidence emerged that contradicted that stance.
    She also has claimed that she discussed Wooten with Monegan only in the context of the safety of her family. But yesterday, the Washington Post published emails from Palin to Monegan in which she expressed frustration that Wooten was still employed.

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  14. Tahoe Editor says:

    That was re: arthur & Piss

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  15. PissedOffAmerican says:

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/
    New Complaint Against Palin on Trooper-Gate
    By Zachary Roth – September 4, 2008, 5:40PM
    Sarah Palin could be facing another investigation in relation to Trooper-Gate.
    NBC News reports that the police officer’s union of Alaska has filed an ethics complaint on behalf of Mike Wooten, the trooper who was embroiled in a dispute with the Palin family, and who the governor is alleged to have attempted to have fired.
    According to NBC News:
    The complaint alleges that the governor or her staff may have have improperly disclosed information from Wooten’s personnel records. The complaint alleges “criminal penalties may apply.”
    The union argues that recordings of a phone conversation involving Palin-aide Frank Bailey — released last month as part of the Attorney General’s own Trooper-Gate probe — suggested that Wooten’s records were accessed improperly.
    In response, the McCain-Palin campaign told NBC News that the files were not protected, and that Wooten himself had signed a waiver allowing a divorce lawyer to gain access to his personnel records. They added that Todd Palin, the governor’s husband, was the source of information for Bailey, and that the information came from Wooten’s divorce proceedings.
    In other words, the McCain campaign is saying that Todd Palin gathered damaging information on Mike Wooten by looking through his divorce proceedings, then passed it on to an aide to the governor, who later used it to try to have Wooten fired. That may or may not be legal, but it doesn’t exactly sound like the kind of ethical, reformist approach to government that Governor Palin claims to stand for.

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  16. Paul Norheim says:

    TAHOE: “Abject obsequiousness for someone who thinks WHAT
    about Sept. 11 and Sarah Palin’s pregnancy?”
    PAUL: ???

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  17. Tahoe Editor says:

    Was John McCain’s first wife onstage as Grace Slick screamed “Barracuda”? Doesn’t an armed & loaded bikini-clad Sarah Barracuda beat William Ayers trampling the flag in Rolling Stone when it comes to the voting booth? Hillary at least had a chance.

    ACT LIKE YA BEEN THERE: The Story of Howard Dean
    FURTHERMORE, I maintain that if Howard Dean hadn’t blown a gasket reciting the great states of our union, we may have been spared the disaster that is still the junior senator from Massachusetts and possibly a two-term W.
    I’m really into the I-told-you-so narrative.
    Joe Scarborough: Vince Lombardi once said, first game he coached at Green Bay, a guy had ran down the field, scored a touch down, danced a little in the end zone, came in, high-fiving everybody. Lombardi wouldn’t look at him. The guy kept waiting for this tough coach to say, “Way to go.” Finally, about 10 minutes later, he walked over, put down his clipboard and said, “Next time you get to the end zone, act like you’ve been there before.” She acted like she’d been there before. There were no Dan Quayle moments. No glee. She acted like she belonged.
    MICHAEL GERSON: The amazing thing was for someone who’s only been on the national stage for 20 minutes, she performed like she’s been on the stage for 20 years. The way that she delivered the speech, the way that she kind of laid in to lines, which was very Reagan like, it was pretty extraordinary. It showed a natural political talent. We must have seen what John McCain saw when he first met with her that was hard to tell from just reading the articles. And that’s what a good speech does. It reveals the character of the person giving it.
    BARBARA COMSTOCK: To borrow a Barack Obama phrase, she’s really the improbable journey. She did start out as somebody who just wanted to improve her kids’ education. She’s a doer. If you want something done, ask a busy woman. This was her story. Think Erin Brockovich. It shows you what McCain saw in her — doubling down on the reformer/maverick spirit — somebody who is wanting to get something done. She didn’t run for office to be somebody. She wouldn’t have been out in Alaska; she would have moved to a more politically � a state that historically produces presidents. Because of that real life, that authenticity, she really spoke to a lot of people. Last night featured a lot of women, accomplished doers.

    Mike Barnicle: The governor is so appealing. I want to be her driver. I want to hang with her �
    Mika: But if you know her she doesn’t want a driver.
    Barnicle: Because I have seen her in 100 hockey rinks, up and down the East Coast �
    Joe S: You know her?
    Barnicle: I absolutely know her. And I was stunned. It’s not easy to get out on that big stage and give that kind of an adept delivery, with the timing down, you know, the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull — “lipstick” — great stuff aimed right at families gathered around their kitchen table.

    “Welcome Back, Dad” — Michael Reagan
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/welcome_back_dad.html

    It looks like Teddy Roosevelt vs. Saul Alinsky. TR in a landslide.

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  18. Tahoe Editor says:

    I’m not seeking love and respect. I’m speaking my mind. And I’m not exactly keeping track of who says what, and the more vulgar voices tend to drown others out.
    Clinton, for experience. Yes, that was my overriding issue. I even bought the “got experience?” T-shirt. I had a great four years with Clinton in the White House while I was at Georgetown.
    I’m getting a Margaret Thatcher feel from Palin. If Thomas got to the Supreme Court first, why wouldn’t a conservative woman lead the free world first? Merkel? Conservative. What’s Segolene Royale up to these days? Organizing some more?
    My position pretty much hasn’t changed from this: If Obama takes the nomination, McCain takes the White House.
    I guess I just don’t have enough Hopeâ„¢.

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  19. Tahoe Editor says:

    Wow. Abject obsequiousness for someone who thinks WHAT about Sept. 11 and Sarah Palin’s pregnancy? Pecking order indeed.

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  20. Paul Norheim says:

    Posted by Tahoe Editor Sep 04, 9:40PM – Link
    —————–
    Tahoe,
    WOW! And sincerely: thanks for sounding more like a human
    being than a PR machine!
    With this comment, you`ve clarified your position a bit as
    well.
    I think you know my position after all these exchanges, but a
    couple of comments:
    TAHOE: “The man (Jeremiah Wright) peddles in hate, division,
    grievance and anger, and Obama went along with it for two
    decades because it was politically expedient; it’s how he got a
    leg up.”
    PAUL: This is a familiar Tahoe/WigWag argument. While most
    people would say that this simply was his church, you would say
    that it was a “politically expedient instrument”. You (and
    WigWag) are capable of accusing Obama for eating, drinking,
    sleeping and taking a shower – as evidence of his lack of
    character; examples demonstrating his self serving nature.
    Obama clearly distanced himself from his former Pastor.
    Palin`s views seem to be perfectly in accordance with her
    former Pastor. This represents a huge problem if you are
    elected as a VP on a GOP ticket, and mainstream media should
    focus on this grave issue as soon as possible.
    TAHOE: “I was a thorough Hillary supporter throughout the
    primaries. I’ve never been gung-ho McCain, though this
    convention is growing on me.”
    PAUL: Because of her character? Gender? Experience?
    Or did you agree on issues? If the former: pick anyone who
    suits your taste! If the latter: Obama/Biden is almost identical to
    Hillary/(…) on issues, and very far from the McCain/Palin ticket.
    And honestly, you`ve sounded like gung-ho Palin for a while
    now.
    Except for this, you know my positions. But again: If you`re
    honest in your comment above, congrats! You never know –
    eventually, if you continue to talk like this, people here may
    begin to like and respect you!

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  21. arthurdecco says:

    My last paragraph was not directed at you, POA. There’s red white AND blue Blood running through your veins and EVERY bone in your body is moral.

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  22. arthurdecco says:

    POA said: “If you aren’t ashamed of what we’ve become, then you’re either comatose or dead.”
    To which I would add: …or stupid or venal.
    We have to start calling spades spades, POA. There isn’t time for ‘nice’ just now. And as much as some will laugh – I think you’re much too polite when you choose to engage your ideological opponents – the intellectual gnats of the internet who always seem to swarm anyone who talks plainly, intelligently and accurately about current events. They only seem intent on demolishing consensus or honest dialogue between respectful opponents. They’re never here to actually participate on any honest level, are they?
    If I’ve learned anything since 2001, it’s that playing ‘nice’ with Sociopaths like Bush and Cheney and their Enablers gets MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE KILLED. …Killed Dead, dead… Stinking corpses…eyes filled with flies…
    And it gets the rest of us splattered with the gucky guilt that comes from our ill-considered and cowardly acquiescence with casually-entered-into war crimes by our ‘leaders’ with the screeching right’s rabid and rapacious bullying approval. (Seig Heil!, shouted hoarsely and anonymously from the thousands of slouching seats parked in front of computer screens, comes to mind.)
    Think about that! And if a horrid shudder doesn’t run through you, top to bottom and back again, there isn’t an ounce of red blood in your veins or a moral bone in your body.

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  23. Tahoe Editor says:

    Of course Obama does not believe the government created HIV to kill black people.
    But he spent 20 years in the pews of a pastor who thinks this, preaches this, and inflames this so he can have three Mercedes and a 10,000-square-foot house. The man peddles in hate, division, grievance and anger, and Obama went along with it for two decades because it was politically expedient; it’s how he got a leg up. He gave this man loads of money to proliferate his message of damning this nation and castigating whites — not because he bought the message but because it was a rung on the ladder in his neighborhood. Not for spiritual fulfillment or guidance — but for street cred. And he brought his daughters in for good effect. Oprah has better judgment.
    You say Palin takes away McCain’s “experience” argument and you get in a twitter with the “heartbeat away” canard, but I believe that when we compare Palin’s experience — “community organizer with responsibilities” — to Obama’s experience, it’s a loser for the Democrats, because half the country is already nervous about Obama being president by virtue of his own heartbeat. Yes, McCain’s age complicates this point, but I still believe the place on the ticket trumps his age. We’re voting for Obama or McCain, and MAYBE Biden & Palin. Maybe I’m wrong here, but there seems to be a lot of consensus that the Palin-Obama experience discussion can only hurt the Democratic ticket.
    I’m against Obama mostly because I’ve never felt he knows what he’s talking about; secondarily because I feel his career has been about selling himself rather than taking real risks to get things done and make Changeâ„¢. He’s The Candidate. If/when he’s elected, it’ll be “Now what?”
    I was a thorough Hillary supporter throughout the primaries. I’ve never been gung-ho McCain, though this convention is growing on me.

    ST. PAUL — The McCain campaign must be giddy with this news, just out from Nielsen: Sarah Palin’s speech generated 37.2 million viewers, just a 1.1 million viewers fewer than watch Barack Obama’s Invesco Field acceptance speech. As Nielsen notes, only six networks carried Palin’s speech compared with ten for Obama’s.
    http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/palin_just_11_million_fewer_vi.html

    CBS Poll: McCain, Obama Tied
    McCain Closes Eight-Point Gap From Poll Taken Last Weekend
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/opinion/polls/main4416798.shtml

    Welcome Back, Dad — Michael Reagan
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/welcome_back_dad.html

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  24. Tahoe Editor says:

    Any focus group agreeing with this statement …
    “Once she started mudslinging, I thought, it’s the same old crap as other politicians. McCain used her to get the women’s vote. And she’s using McCain.”
    … is a victim of a push poll, which of course is meaningless except for its use in a fantasy-based jeremiad such as this.
    Dems always pull the wool over their eyes toward the end; then comes this abject disappointment.
    The coming disappointment will be worthy of Styrofoam columns.

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  25. pauline says:

    “Who goes the longest without pukin’ gets the last piece of pie in the fridge”
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6nm18_sarah-palin-vice-president-family-g_fun

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  26. pauline says:

    September 4, 2008…11:25 am
    “Governor Palin’s Speech to Nowhere and Obama”
    Governor Palin’s speech went a little too far and entered the realm of lies and mudslinging, to the degree of even turning off the undecideds. In two different focus groups of Clinton-supporting Nevada women — married and unmarried — conducted immediately after Gov. Sarah Palin’s Wednesday night speech to the Republican National Convention, a few common reactions quickly took shape.
    First, women in both groups were impressed with Palin’s speaking ability and poise. But they were hardly convinced that she was qualified to be vice president, or that she truly represented the “change” they were looking for, especially in light of what was deemed an overly harsh “sarcasm” pervading her address.
    In the married group, the majority agreed with this statement. “Once she started mudslinging, I thought, it’s the same old crap as other politicians. McCain used her to get the women’s vote. And she’s using McCain.” The unmarried group also voiced similar objections to the harsh, partisan edge of Palin’s remarks. “I’m not impressed with her at all as a person.”
    Now let’s break down her speech where she stretched the truth, lied and dig into the attacks also.
    PALIN: “I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending … and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress ‘thanks but no thanks’ for that Bridge to Nowhere.”
    THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a “bridge to nowhere.”
    PALIN: “The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars.”
    THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama’s plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain’s plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
    Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
    He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.
    Palin had the nerve to talk at length about John McCain’s “torturous interrogations” in the very same speech when she all but condoned the continuation of similar, abhorrent practices that have been directed for eight years by our own U.S. leaders, when she stated that Democrats are “worried that someone won’t read them their rights.” That to me is mudslinging; Palin’s mocking of civil rights and the rule of law is alarming. I would also add that-when you don’t have a record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from.
    Palin belittled “community organizers” — thousands of Americans who work long hours for little pay in some of the toughest neighborhoods, trying to assist the American Dream that even the poorest among us can pull themselves out of the muck with a helping hand. Palin and other GOP speakers have turned a noble job into a dirty word tonight — shame on you!
    These vicious attacks—which do not acknowledge even some of his tremendous achievements, (such as, of the 15 bills Senator Obama sponsored or co-sponsored in 2005-7 that became law: Two addressed foreign policy, three addressed public health, two addressed national security, you get the point, I’ll stop there) that he has already accomplished something impressive that says something positive about America and the progress we’ve made—were utterly lacking in class.
    Maybe putting lipstick on a Rottweiler doesn’t make a potential President. Just a thought.
    from —
    http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/governor-palin%E2%80%99s-speech-to-nowhere-and-obama/

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  27. pauline says:

    “Why You Won’t Hear Alaskans Criticize Palin”
    By witty1 – September 4, 2008, 5:30PM
    It’s simple.
    Fear of retribution.
    Even the unions are scared to really talk about the hypocrisy of Todd’s membership and McCain’s push to pass Federal Right to Work laws, (doublespeak for union dismantling).
    If McCain/Palin wins, Palin will note the names of the people who publicly came out against her.
    If McCain/Palin loses – Palin has 4 more years as governor – she will note the names of the people who publicly came out against her.
    Most of the people who really don’t like her are small business owners, she ultimately controls State spending which many of these small business owners depend upon.
    Palin completely failed to understand and respond to Alaska’s unique business cycle and held the capital budget too long for any meaningful
    work to start in 2008.
    You won’t hear anyone criticize her publicly – the only people praising her locally are the super-duper born-agains she’s helped win office or work.
    No one from Wasilla will come out publicly against her – even the Republicans (who hate her most) will sit down, shut up and take their medicine, (or retire like Senate President Lyda Green).
    Anne Kilkenny seems like the only Valley resident (of the Matanuska Susitna Valley that Wasilla is the center of) willing to speak out, but like her letter said – she doesn’t have a job for Palin to take away from her.
    from —
    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/why-you-wont-hear-alaskans-cri.php

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  28. Paul Norheim says:

    “Posted by Paul Norheim Sep 04, 5:16PM – Link
    POA, Dan Kervick and others,
    (…)
    But this (talking about the Palin family) is an ethical (/principal),
    as well as a tactical (/political) issue.”
    ————–
    Perhaps no big deal, but I want to make a correction here. I
    would rather say: “But this is a moral (/principal), as well as a
    political (/tactical) issue.”
    However, one of the biggest problems within a moralistic
    society in general, is that you may loose all the big political
    talents – because they have done some private mistakes – in
    favor of mediocre politicians with a perfect CV.
    Palin is not a good example here (average CV +/-; terrible
    politician on a national level?), but Bill Clinton certainly is
    (perhaps Dan Kervick disagrees with the latter example, but you
    get my point?)

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  29. Sweetness says:

    “Barack Obama didn’t disown Jeremiah Wright because of his
    theology; he left the church because his pastor called him a
    politician.”
    Look…
    The charge that HIV was created by American government to kill
    off blacks and others is a common RUMOR within some
    segments of the black community. It’s been around a long time.
    Apparently, JW reiterated this rumor himself. However, it has
    nothing to do with his THEOLOGY…liberation theology…or the
    prophetic tradition in the black church. BO disavowed his pastor
    because of his incendiary remarks with which BO disagrees…and
    because the whole dust up had become a huge distraction to the
    message he was and is trying to communicate. He didn’t
    disavow him because JW holds to the prophetic tradition. I’m
    sure he still admires him for that…as well he should.
    I guess, Tahoe, it becomes increasingly clear to me that you are
    not a constructive critic of the Obama campaign, but, in fact,
    want to see the Obama campaign fail. And the McCain campaign
    win. So your criticisms of the Obama campaign, such as they
    are, lack relevancy and impact and are fundamentally dishonest.
    Dishonest, mostly because you never say where YOU stand–
    Obama or McCain? After this deluge of anti-Obama posts, it’s
    hard to imagine your voting for him. So, will ye nill ye, it must
    be McCain for you.

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  30. Paul Norheim says:

    Tahoe,
    Obama made his position crystal clear several months ago
    regarding Jeremiah Wright. If you insinuate that Obama agrees
    that “America created HIV to kill black people”, then provide some
    evidence. Of course you can`t do that; you`re just pissing in the
    wells.
    The relationship between the hockey mom and the Wasilla
    Assembly of God seems to be crystal clear as well: she agrees
    with her former Pastor, Mr. Kalnins.
    If the democrats focus on this, the eggs will explode in your face.

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  31. Sweetness says:

    Mr. T writes:
    “The left’s problem is you can’t bring up Palin’s religious exploits
    without bringing up Obama’s; you can’t bring up Palin’s so-
    called inexperience without bringing up Obama’s; you can’t
    bring up Palin’s desire to care for her fertile family without
    bringing up Obama’s intention not to let his daughters be
    “punished with a baby.”
    But here’s the thing: Experience is the issue the RIGHT hoped to
    use, not the left. So now the right can’t use it without focusing
    attention on Palin’s inexperience and her position a heartbeat
    away from the presidency.
    You can most certainly bring up Palin’s religious exploits,
    because these are things SHE has said SHE believes. And they
    concern the greatest foreign policy mistake of our generation.
    Obama’s “exploits” have to do with what his PASTOR said and he
    has now disavowed.
    And NO ONE on the Obama team is bringing up anything about
    Palin’s fertile family–SHE is and McCain is. Obama leaves all of
    that alone to focus on the issues.

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  32. Paul Norheim says:

    “Posted by ………. Sep 04, 5:29PM – Link
    Paul,
    You may not know how POA established his reputation for
    absolutely rigorous thinking when it comes to conspiracies…”
    “……….”,
    I am aware of POA`s suspicions re. 9.11., and I disagree with
    him on that issue. I also disagree regarding the Palin
    pregnancies (but I may be wrong in that case – we`ll see).
    However, his core convictions are as far from “paranoia” as
    you can get – they are actually quite ordinary, modest and
    rational (checks and balances; respect for the the constitution
    and the laws; political gangsters at the highest level should be
    punished etc).
    I frequently disagree with POA. I would certainly not vote for
    Cheney, Bush and the others getting hanged in the Rose
    Garden… not because I don`t think they deserve it, but because
    I`m principally against capital punishment. (However, this is
    none of my business, as a Norwegian citizen).
    But as far as I can see, POA is one, among a handful of
    commentators here, with a focus on the crucial issues, good
    instincts, a good and entertaining pen and usually very sound
    judgement.
    If not, I would not bother to argue so much with him.

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  33. Tahoe Editor says:

    Barack Obama didn’t disown Jeremiah Wright because of his theology; he left the church because his pastor called him a politician.
    Praying for local economic progress. That might not erupt in controversy. Praying for the damnation of the nation. Another story.
    The left’s problem is you can’t bring up Palin’s religious exploits without bringing up Obama’s; you can’t bring up Palin’s so-called inexperience without bringing up Obama’s; you can’t bring up Palin’s desire to care for her fertile family without bringing up Obama’s intention not to let his daughters be “punished with a baby.”
    So the battles should be picked carefully. Pastors and Pregnancy Truth Now are probably not the way to go.

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  34. Paul Norheim says:

    Tahoe
    the obvious difference is, as you know very well, that Obama
    has unambiguously distanced himself from his pastor.
    It was not Obama who claimed that America created HIV to kill
    black people. Jeremiah Wright said that.
    However, it was not Pastor Kalnins, but the hockey mom and
    governor of Alaska who said (addressing the graduating class of
    commission students at her one-time church, Wasilla Assembly
    of God) in June this year: “I think God’s will has to be done in
    unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so
    pray for that”.
    Sarah Palin has not yet distanced herself from the Wasilla
    Assembly of God and the many crazy statements of Pastor
    Kalnins. And if she doesn`t distance herself from her lunatic
    pastor (but how could she, without alienating her core
    supporters, the Evangelical Christians, and without betraying
    her own core religious convictions?), then you and Rove may be
    in big trouble.
    It requires one interview with Pastor Kalnins, with questions
    like:
    “Do you believe that those who vote for Obama will go to hell?”
    And then an interview with the hockey mom, asking if she
    agrees with specific statements within the lunatic world view of
    her former Pastor, Mr. Kalnins.

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  35. .......... says:

    Paul,
    You may not know how POA established his reputation for absolutely rigorous thinking when it comes to conspiracies: he hunted down every single conspiracy theory about 9/11 and believed almost every single one of them.
    Having any conversation with a paranoid nutbag like POA is damaging to your mental health.

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  36. Tahoe Editor says:

    I’ll put Palin-style Christianity up against “God Damn America for Creating HIV to Kill Black People” any day.

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  37. Paul Norheim says:

    POA, Dan Kervick and others,
    I have apologized to What Grief is Good. I hope she`ve noticed
    it. I overreacted.
    However, I have some comments on these issues/non-issues.
    KERVICK: I can’t agree with the estimable Paul Norheim about
    the nature of what is happening. We no longer have a case of
    anyone invading the Palins’ “privacy”. Instead, Palin and the
    Republican party have decided to drag Palin’s family out as
    cheesy props in an unappetizing televised entertainment.
    NORHEIM.: They dragged Palin`s family out at the convention,
    and that changes the game, right? I sort of agree. But this is an
    ethical (/principal), as well as a tactical (/political) issue. I don`t
    need to explain the ethical aspects to you, and of course Sarah
    Palin was the one who invited everyone into her home by using
    her family for political reasons.
    But if the Palin family is fair game, and you open up for a
    massive combination of scrutiny, voyeurism, moralistic attacks
    and sentiments upon that family, I think you`ll loose big time.
    The good, fact based arguments will drown in the ocean of
    sentiments, sensationalism and moralistic attacks. If – and this
    is an if – there are no mammoth size skeletons within the
    family, the Palins have EVERYTHING going for them. Ordinary
    people with no strong interest in political issues, as well as
    Evangelical Christians will forgive them anything: they love
    human weaknesses and sinners if they confess – and if these
    sins are committed in the context of such a narrative. The
    mixture of an extraordinary/ ordinary family is a winner. The
    more extraordinary, the better. The more ordinary, the better.
    POA: Personally, I think the huge questions surrounding these
    two pregnancies are HIGHLY relevant, because this woman is
    being marketed as motherhood personified. And
    REALISTICALLY, the whole surreal way these two pregancies
    have been presented to us IS PURE UN-ADULTERATED
    UNBELIEVABLE BULLSHIT. There is simply NO WAY.
    NORHEIM: They are relevant indeed, if the questions are huge.
    I have my doubts.
    POA: If you knock a hole in the very essence of what these lying
    posturing pieces of shit have marketed Palin as being, than you
    have just sent her to the sidelines. And for the good of this
    nation, she NEEDS to be sidelined. Its imperative. And this
    whole pregnancy fantasy is ONE BIG GAPING HOLE. You have to
    be a total IDIOT to buy into her story. And this “story” is the
    biggest chink in her armor. Quite honestly, it defies all common
    sense and logic.
    In short, its crap.
    NORHEIM: Yes, she needs to be sidelined. No sane person would
    trust her to have access to the nuclear codes, to deal with Putin,
    Ahmedinejad, the mentally unstable Pakistani leader, Middle
    East issues, China, Taiwan, North Korea, etc…
    POA: And yes, there are other issues.
    NORHEIM: EXACTLY. Troopergate. Alaska first, etc. And
    ESPECIALLY her religious background.
    If those who oppose the GOP, as well as those who oppose
    the sheer irresponsibility of picking Palin as VP, succeeded in
    portraying her as a fanatical zealot, a hockey mom who is
    bringing God`s will into the most controversial foreign policy
    issues and Bush`s war of choice – and this should be an easy
    task: someone should for a start make an interview with the
    Pastor at her former church in Wasilla – then she might not
    appear as such a charming gal outside the Evangelical Christian
    base after all.
    POA: But just because the RW slime machine tells you its hands
    off on the pregnancies, doesn’t mean the issue doesn’t carry
    wieght with the American people. You show her as lyin’ about
    Iraq or Troopergate, and it will roll off a lot of shoulders. But
    you show her as lying about these pregnancies, then you just
    sunk her boat. And the ONLY logical explanation for this whole
    bizarre pregnancy thing is SHE IS LYING.
    NORHEIM: I hear you. I may be wrong, but I don`t think there is
    much more to find regarding the pregnancies.
    This is hot stuff. And any newspaper will print it if they find
    anything – because sensations sell. But of course, POA, if you
    discover anything, go ahead.
    However, I would guess that the Enquirer is working overtime
    on this stuff. My suggestion: do some research on her religious
    background.
    Achmedinejad is a religious zealot, but there are moderate
    voices in Teheran as well, balancing forces. If America elects a
    semi-senile gambler as Commander in Chief, assisted by a
    religious zealot from the church of Wasilla – who will represent
    the more responsible, more rational and balancing forces in US
    domestic and foreign policy in the coming years?

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  38. Tahoe Editor says:

    MICHAEL REAGAN: Welcome Back, Dad
    I’ve been trying to convince my fellow conservatives that they have been wasting their time in a fruitless quest for a new Ronald Reagan to emerge and lead our party and our nation. I insisted that we’d never see his like again because he was one of a kind.
    I was wrong!
    Wednesday night I watched the Republican National Convention on television and there, before my very eyes, I saw my Dad reborn; only this time he’s a she.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/welcome_back_dad.html

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  39. cathy mccallum says:

    Steve, I think the speech must have played better in the auditorium than it did on television. In the fresh morning light, it appears that the only people inspired by it were the Republican base. For the rest of the electorate, she came off as the pit bull with lipstick she claims to be. Which isn’t really an attractive picture, you know? We haven’t progressed far enough beyond sexism to be able to suppress an instinctive shudder at the antics of the mean girls.

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  40. ToddinHB says:

    A former beauty queen-wannabe and sportscaster should have had no problem with a prewritten speech on a teleprompter… and she didn’t. But I came away with the distinct feeling that I was being lectured by my old high school trigonometry teacher, whereas Obama reminded me of a spirited lecture from a grad school professor.
    I suspect that she will wear thin very quickly. Too bad for McCain that he couldn’t spring her on the electorate in late October.

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  41. Linda says:

    Thank$ Tahoe,
    I’d rather you $tay.
    And FYI, 3-4 day$ ago, I e-mailed $teve and told him to tell Marko$ to $top writing all that junk about Palin becau$e it wa$ doing more harm than good.

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  42. downtown says:

    12:54AM: “…are an insult to the intelligence of the average American…”
    I wish I could share your optimism.

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  43. Carroll says:

    I like quality clothes but this is a bit much.
    And since we being catty, what is with that Elizabeth girl with the beach surfing hairdo and the squeaky voice?
    I wouldn’t be caught dead at the repub convention (or the dem one for that matter) but this has to be the tackiest convention I have ever seen.
    Republican National Convention
    | The 2008 Election
    Cindy McCain’s $300,000 Outfit
    by Vanity Fair
    September 4, 2008, 10:29 AM
    One of the persistent memes in the Republican line of attack against Barack Obama is the notion that he is an elitist, whereas the G.O.P. represent real working Americans like Levi “F-in’ Redneck” Johnston.
    It caught our attention, then, when First Lady Laura Bush and would-be First Lady Cindy McCain took the stage Tuesday night wearing some rather fancy designer clothes. So we asked our fashion department to price out their outfits.
    Laura Bush
    Oscar de la Renta suit: $2,500
    Stuart Weitzman heels: $325
    Pearl stud earrings: $600–$1,500
    Total: Between $3,425 and $4,325
    Cindy McCain
    Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
    Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
    Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
    Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000–$25,000
    Shoes, designer unknown: $600
    Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100

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  44. Chesire11 says:

    Allow me to rephrase, he treats her candidacy as legitimate, she is a political gimmick. Focusing on the marketability of her “myth” is a distraction from the honest, hard-hitting analysis by which every candidate should be tested. It also distracts from the grave questions her selection and the manner of her selection raises about McCain’s judgement and suitability to lead.
    The moment this hockey-mom secessionist is exposed to real analysis, her profound unsuitability for the office will be clear.

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  45. Tahoe Editor says:

    “He legitimizes her candidacy.”
    Give me a break. “She’s not legit” and “The GOP Is Irrelevant” (a recent Jack Craperty headline) are why Democrats always end up saying, “How did Bush win? I don’t know anybody in this country who voted for him!”
    Linda, you’ve totally disarmed me. I don’t want to be a fundraiser for Obama. I have no idea what to do now.
    One of Steve’s best qualities is that he not only tolerates but invites & encourages opposing views.
    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: If you want an echo chamber where dissent is banned, hit Kos. You’ll never get it here.

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  46. Chesire11 says:

    “She has a large, seemingly wonderful family — juggles her home cooking with running a large state as its chief executive. She has a snow mobile racing husband who is a North Shore oilman and she tackles corrupt “lobbying interests” and their cozy deals with politicos wherever she goes.”
    Yes, but how does any of this folksy drivel help pay my mortgage, my oil bill this winter, my children’s medical bills or help us save for their college educations and my retirement? If it doesn’t, then why the hell should I care whether the Palin clan enjoys home-cookin’ every night or what her husband likes to do with his down time?

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  47. Paul Norheim says:

    What Grief is Good,
    I`m sorry. I overreacted in my comment above.

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  48. Chesire11 says:

    So essentially all a political neophyte needs to do to be considered a credible candidate for the Vice Presidency of the United States of America is do a competent job of reading a speech off a teleprompter?
    Seriously???
    In that case, why don’t we just elect my local weatherman president and be done with it!
    This country is in crisis – economical, political, military and constitutional – yet Steve is willing to accept the selection of a person with ZERO foreign policy experience, ZERO experience of federal government, minor experience of economic policy as a credible candidate for the second highest office in the land? Because she correctly pronounced a speech written for her by the McCain campaign or because she looked great doing it?? In fairness, he does note their disagreement on policy issues, but despite her glaring lack of credentials he essentially legitimizes her candidacy. That’s like saying, “I disagree with my dog’s policy of trying to kill the cat, but hey, his views on the issue at least merit discussion!”
    Call me old fashioned, but personally, membership in an explicitly secessionist political party should be considered a bit of a stumbling block for someone who aspires to the vice presidency.
    I’m sorry to go off on a blog-rant about this, but when even well informed, insightful “policy wonks” like Steve approve the dumbed-down politics of personality, I honestly despair for this country.

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  49. Arun says:

    Steve,
    I’m glad you’re looking forward to working with VP Sarah Palin on foreign policy issues.
    Best,
    -Arun

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  50. Linda says:

    Tahoe Editor,
    I’ve never addressed you directly in years on TWN because I didn’t think your “contributions” were worth it, but I owe it to POA who went to work.
    We don’t need to interrupt the meme just change it: Do you really want 16 more years of a female George Bush in the West Wing?
    You won’t go away; so I repeat what I wrote a couple days ago that we should turn you into an Obama fundraiser by giving $1 to Obama campaign every time you post here.
    Feel free to stay and be an Obama fund raiser or go away.
    I like win-win solutions.

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  51. calling all toasters says:

    Shorter Tahoe Ed:
    Stop the presses! Right-wing hacks (and the idiot John Dickerson) are out hacking for Palin!

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  52. questions says:

    September 04, 2008 9:42 AM
    The Detroit Free Press invited a panel of Michigan voters to weigh in on Gov. Sarah Palin’s speech last night. Their reactions run the gamut, but the independents didn’t seem to care for her very much.
    Ilene Beninson, 52, Berkley independent: “Her speech contained few statements about policy or the party platform. … I am not convinced that Palin’s experience as a mayor or governor in Alaska meet the qualifications to be vice president much less one stroke or heart attack away from being commander in chief.”
    Mike Kosh, 38, West Bloomfield independent: “The way it looks to me, she’s the Republican vice presidential nominee for one reason: Because Hillary wasn’t selected.”
    George Lentz, 66, Southfield independent: “I was completely underwhelmed. She was a Republican novelty act with a sophomoric script. It was not even a speech I would expect for someone running for the local PTA, much less for vice president.”
    Diane Murphy, 42, Sterling Heights independent: “It appears that once she makes up her mind, that is the end of it. We live in a gray world, not every answer is black and white.”
    Jan Wheelock, 58, Royal Oak independent: “Nothing worked for me. I found her barrage of snide remarks and distortions to be a major turnoff. She is not a class act. The most important point she made is that she will be an effective attack dog.”
    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/michigan-indepe.html
    INTERRUPT THE MEME ’08!

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  53. Tahoe Editor says:

    JANET DALEY: Sarah Palin gets the spiteful Margaret Thatcher treatment
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/09/04/do0404.xml
    ROGER KIMBALL: Palin Derangement Syndrome
    http://tinyurl.com/6o8rgd
    DAVID BRODY: Democrats Have a Problem on Their Hands
    http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/437991.aspx
    JOHN DICKERSON: Why the smiling, sudden, relentless Sarah Palin should scare Democrats.
    http://www.slate.com/id/2199250/
    JOHN KASS: Palin’s small-town ways will play big across U.S.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-rnc-04sep04,0,1078669.column
    DANIEL HENNINGER: What’s So Special About Sarah?
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/whats_so_special_about_sarah.html
    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS: Sarah Palin’s perfect premiere
    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/09/04/2008-09-04_sarah_palins_perfect_premiere.html
    BOSTON HERALD: Sarah Palin rises above the feeding frenzy
    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/editorials/view.bg?articleid=1116850
    FRED BARNES: The Natural
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/515sdsvu.asp

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  54. JohnH says:

    It’s been a long, long time since the corporate media had a REALLY good sex story. Now they have a dilemma — will they follow their political preferences and get their McCain elected? Or will they follow their greed and thoroughly vette Palin? She’s such a tantalizing target, a moralistic, self-righteous beauty queen with a pregnant teen daughter and who knows what else. People love it when hypocrites get outed.
    My guess is that they will decide that they can always destroy Obama later, so they might as well go for the gold now. As I’ve said, grab a beer, sit back, and prepare to be entertained. Even if they come up empty it will be entertaining, though you will have to feel for what the family is going through.

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  55. Harlan says:

    POA, Chelsea is also a polar opposite of her profligate parents with Bill’s countless affairs to Hillary getting back at him through Vince Foster and who knows who else. Just ask Robert Morrow.

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  56. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Ok Tahoe, you can come out now. I’ve gotta go to work, so I guess you’ll be spared the embarrasment of being asked to substantiate the ignorant horseshit I’m sure you’ll deposit here today.
    Get to work, troll, there’s lies to be told.

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  57. Harlan says:

    Adam, McCain does not bring up his children because he still has a bad taste in his mouth from 2000 South Carolina primary when Bush/Rove found McCain had an unexplained Negro child in his family and since then McCain is laying low about his children. He lost South Carolina because an unaccounted for child of his was revealed and he’s not going risk any more questions by bringing his children into the picture.

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  58. PissedOffAmerican says:

    What amazes me, and not in a judgemental way, is how so many of these rabid RW zealots have children that are the polar opposite of their own pious advocations. Cases in point, Cheney’s daughter, or Bristol Palin. Remarkably, their rhetoric would lead you to believe that Chelsea Clinton is the kind of model example of youthful integrity that their pious and judgemental leanings would instill in their offspring.
    The way these kids of Palin’s have been thrust into the spotlight BY PALIN, is despicable.
    Uh, BTW, don’t they have SCHOOLS in Wasilla? What are Bristol’s odds of graduating now? Perhaps Palin can fire the School superintendent if he refuses to issue Bristol a diploma, eh?
    But hey, getting away from the kids, and into the true grist of Palin’s qualifications, there are actually a few dithering jackass pundits out there claiming Alaska’s proximity to Russia adds to Palin’s expertise in foreign policy matters.
    But really, the truly bizarre aspect of this is that ANY OF IT is being discussed or debated as if it resembles rational, honest, or constructive politics. This is a fuckin’ freakshow, from Obama’s sensational rocket ride to fame with no fuel other than a media blitz, to this hayseed Annie Oakley redneck who will squash her own kids like bugs if she thinks it will land her in the White House with this doddering old retrobate McCain.
    Pathetic.
    If you aren’t ashamed of what we’ve become, then you’re either comatose, or dead.

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  59. jan says:

    Watching Palin I felt like I was watching a Julia Roberts clone, same voice same verbal style same hair (from some mivies) same mannerisms (the same smile would have been over the top though), very weird.
    A bit like when I thought Hillary was channeling Ellen Degeneris.

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  60. adam Selzer says:

    One of the most admirable things about McCain is that, even now
    that’s he’s taken to bringing up his POW status regularly, he NEVER
    uses his children to score political points.
    Palin’s speeches so far have done this shamelessly, and she turned
    her daughter into fodder for every tabloid journalist in the world to
    dispel a rumor about them. Everyone agrees that her children’s
    privacy should be respected, but she clearly doesn’t respect it
    herself.
    She’s been set up as tasty bait not for the Hilary supporters so
    much as the people who vote based on which candidate they’d
    most like to have a beer with, and needs to be exposed as the
    hypocritical monster she is.

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  61. JohnH says:

    I agree with Steve that “Palin, like George W. Bush and Cheney, seems to think that by asserting falsehoods or juxtaposing contradictory goals…sells just fine to Americans.”
    The GOP may finally have what the neocons, AIPAC, NAM and US Chamber of Commerce have so desperately needed–an effective mouuthpiece to perpetuate the lies. Sad part is that Americans will continue to fall for it as long as people just pay attention to what they say, and remain clueless about what they are actually doing.

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  62. Linda says:

    Sarah Palin and the Republican Platform on abortion for victims of incest and rape are to the right of McCain’s position. On the environment, she also is to the right of McCain as she wants to drill in the Alaska Wildlife Reserve.
    Palin is confident that she is correct about everything because she is the female George Bush in lipstick, high heels, and able to dance backwards.
    Suggest people go to the website of the Independent Women’s Forum and read a bit as I did when I happened upon a seminar on women’s rights presented by them on C-Span on a quiet weekend afternoon three years ago. For about ten minutes, I was thinking “what intelligent, poised, etc. women”…..until I heard enough to realize how right wing and conservative they were.
    It is a respected and legitimate nonprofit organization, but its purpose is clearly to empower feminist Republican women, and they’ve been doing this for over a decade.
    It would be too glib to call them “Stepford politicos” or this an “Invasion of the Policy Snatchers.” But if we stay asleep, they will put one of theirs in the West Wing for perhaps the next 16 years. And that would be a nightmare for this country and the world.
    Then find the Wikipedia on Linda Lingle and read all of it. I’d never heard of her until I read her name and title on the Republican Convention program last night. She’s the Governor of Hawaii in her second term doing interesting things in a very Democratic state–much more experience than Palin. Why wasn’t she on the short list? Hint: She’s Jewish, twice-divorced, no children–not exactly a role model for the family values of the Religious Right.
    So I have a message for the PUMA folks, largely female, gay, Jewish, to at least research this on your own and maybe then at least talk with your friend about, maybe even work for, or at least vote for Obama. You don’t have to love him, like him, or trust him–just think very hard about possibly 16 more years of a female George Bush in
    the West Wing.

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  63. DonS says:

    Reading around the net, it seems the take of bolgs I respect (and even some I disagree with ) is quite clear: Palin’s speech was nasty and lowdown, canned and divisive. Delivered well with the midwest vanilla accent of a trained broadcaster.
    Red meat for the base. Fool’s gold for the gullible.
    Oh, and apparently the Philadelphia Enquirer, of Edward’s affair expose, is on to a story obout Sarah havig and affair. Interesting. More wood on the fire for McSame to lie about in outrage. I note Sarah did a nice outrage bit herself. Rush must be proud.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/03/mccain_aide_rips_tabloid_repor.html

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  64. Neo says:

    Obama seems to have left out this job from his resume ..
    “Recently [1995] he [Obama] was appointed president of the board of the Annenberg Challenge Grant, which will distribute some $50 million in grants to public-school reform efforts.” http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/951208/
    … this would be an excellent comeback for Obama to all those complaints that he never had executive experience or handled a payroll.

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  65. rich says:

    questions,
    The quote is not correct; I entered it 15 seconds after it was uttered and didn’t verify it. Even Karl Rove isn’t going to dehumanize through grammar (‘that’ vs. ‘who’) when uttering this kind of zinger, not in the context of brute, broad Obama bashing that basically relies on the Big Lie strategy, repeated loudly and often. See any of WigWag’s comments for the litany of crude attacks intended to delegitimze Obama as a candidate and as a human being.
    Second, the pork issue isn’t gonna get traction. The job of every politician is to bring home pork. The only problem is the Republicans and esp the Alaskan delegation became so mired in their own greedhead corruption that they couldn’t stop gorging at the trough.
    Like the trapped animal who takes the bait but can’t get free only because they won’t release the goodies, Ted Stevens and Don Young were taking huge hits politically. They couldn’t let go of the Bridge to Nowhere even though it was a huge political liability that came to symbolize Tom DeLay’s open corruption and all the pork he doled out.
    But Sarah Palin killed it—against the wishes of Stevens and the powerful, if corrupt, Republican delegation. Who cares if Alaska gets other money to spend, if they choose, on that same bridge? She took on the Republican establishment, took a gross political liability off the table, and didn’t lose overall resources for her state.
    She gets credit for political acumen and guts—and guess what? She went against the grain, made a smart decision on several levels, and will be credited for that. The ‘contradiction’ won’t be mentioned much in the press, and will get no traction at all among the voters she needs to turn out and vote.
    Expect a Teflon Candidate. Sarah Palin will skate on the issues, and will hew to the Ronald Reagan Script for Winners. Be likable, be charming, use wit, avoid substance, lielielie, come across as one-of-you-the-voter, and be as reassuring as possible.
    She’s gonna rake in the votes. As long as she can avoid actual legal liability, she’s headed for much bigger things.
    Funny, though: you don’t hear so much about Tom DeLay’s brand of Republican corruption these days. Why is that?
    After all, why should millions of American families face up to their problems and vote for real solutions, when they can vote for someone just like them?

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  66. chopper says:

    She beat expectations the same way George W. beat them. By not having any.
    I have to agree with some of the others. Palin’s speech, while hitting all the applause and cheering lines for Republican you would expect, was stilted and weak. Definitly not “a powerful home run” as you claim. It felt canned and pain-by-numbers, with her obvious pauses after every snarky dig waiting for applause.
    It was a little too snarky for a such an important speech. Some digs are expected, even demanded especially of the VP. Hers felt over the top and more numerous than actual policy descriptions and personal history.
    It definitly appealed to her base and gave the radical right finally something to cheer about. I’m not sure how much it appealed to undecideds and supposedly unhappy Dems. I suspect it reinforced more of her negatives than positives, amongst the non-believers.
    Most of her claims have already been refuted and will be again easily. Some of the ones she made were flat out lies, which will drag on her further. She’s already gaining an image as power-abusing, administratively incompetent, personally vindictive and despotic. Almost exactly in the mold of George W. Bush.
    Definitly not a homerun. More like eaking out a double from a single blooper, with a big assist from the umps. The umps in this case being the media falling all over themselves to proclaim how she beat (nonexistant) expectations.

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  67. questions says:

    PALIN: “There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it’s easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform _ not even in the state senate.”
    THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.
    PALIN: “The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars.”
    THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama’s plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain’s plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/ap-attacks-praise-stretch_n_123771.html
    AP fact checking her speech, incl. the Biden number of votes crap…..
    STICK TO THE FACTS, INTERRUPT THE MEME ’08

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  68. DonS says:

    Steve used the term “neo-Orwellian”. Much overused, but not in this case.
    Michael Steele??? By God I wish Steve Gilliard were still alive to set his Uncle Tom ass straight.
    The chant: “USA USA USA”. What’s that about if not the rabid cries of the jingoistic and xenophobic. Could have been straight out of the bund. So what did this sound like in the hall? Not a kinder, gentler America I would think?
    Palin whipped them up with allusions to the paper mache colums of the dmes, while standing in front of a tennis court sized screen of old glory. Red meat. Reasonable repubs must be shaking their heads and wondering if they’ll ever have a party again.
    We are in a post Orwellian world, but boy was he on target.
    Embarrassing, at least, to anyone with a view of America and the world much bigger than Wasila.

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  69. questions says:

    And one other subtle, to whom were they communicating note — she mentioned “sealgate” — WTF? Who knows about the Obama seal that Steve flipped about? Was that a message just for Tahoe?
    Comments posted at WaPo not super rabid — usually they are. I don’t think it was a home run. NYT headlines more generous than others I’ve seen.

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  70. questions says:

    Rich, two things, first, if you have the quotation EXACTLY correct, note the grammar structure — “that” is never supposed to refer to human beings, “who” is the correct pronoun. She/ her speech writers just subtly dehumanized Obama. That’s pretty vile.
    Second: There are those who use PORK to further their careers and there are those who are real reformers. (a crawl list of Sarah P’s Pork Projects)
    Any use for “The thrilla in Wasilla”??! Or half baked Alaska? “Wasilla goes to Washington, and brings home 27 million dollars!” D’Juneau that Sarah Palin is corrupt?
    It’s early in the morning!
    INTERRUPT THE MEME ’08

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  71. DonS says:

    I put my short comments on the previous thread. I stick with them. Palin is an embarrassment, throwing red meat to the lions. Mischaracterizing (lying) about big government — which has mostly been the fault of the repubs for the past 8 years — and evincing a mean spirit with a smile.
    Repetitive line/chant (policy??) of the night: “Drill Baby Drill”). Give me a break.
    Total avoiding of “the economy”
    No mention of Bush.
    Racism gone wild. (By the way, Rudy was beyond pathetic, and craven. His speciality).
    Palin and these red meat repubs are embarrassing throwbacks. And we ought recognize it. Even if she smiles well when she says it. She needs to be decimated like Rush needs to be decimated. You can’t be polite with these neanderthals. She set up Obama as an elitist and he needs to come out swinging at the gut level, and substantive at the policy level.

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  72. p.lukasiak says:

    As a PUMA, I have no dog in this fight — so its interesting to watch people bringing their own agendas to this discussion.
    I thought Palin was extremely effective when talking about her background/family, and when talking about “reform”, and did well on the advocacy for McCain and patriotism stuff.
    Less effective were the shots at Obama — not so much because of her delivery as the audience reaction, which was over-the-top rabid.
    I thought she was effective in saying that her expertise on energy issues made her ready for the national stage, but she needed to put more emphasis on alternative fuels — those are the things that people what to hear about.
    I also thought that she missed a major opportunity in not talking about environmental issues — she could have made an effective argument about how Alaskans live “in the environment”, and understand how the balance of nature works.
    All in all, I give her an A- on presentation, and a C+ on content. She needs to “pander” less to the GOP base, and find ways of framing her issues in a way that is more appealing to moderate and independent voters.

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  73. rich says:

    Posted this last night during the Palin’s speech:
    >>
    Anybody watching Sarah Barracuda?
    This is a Home Run.
    You’re watching the future President Palin.
    The husband schtick is particularly effective. Fisherman, snowmobile champ (Nascar), union member, indigenous — “he’s still my guy.”
    Repubs are doing a Clintonian ‘end welfare as we know it’ here—special needs kid and union Dad added to the PTA hockey mom thing. “Difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick!” She’s not gonna have to plead for votes.
    Giuliana, though, stated Palin has more executive experience than the entire Democratic ticket. If Biden can’t out-charm her, he’s done.
    “I guess a small-town mayor is like a community organizer, only with actual responsibilities.”
    Senator Obama had better bring his A-game.
    As I predicted, Palin is running against the Washington elite—and slaying the complaint she lacks sufficient experience. If people like her, saying she’s the Gov of a “small” state like Alaska or the Mayor of Wasilla isn’t gonna be an indictment, but rather a recommendation.
    — —- — —-
    Sarah Palin has the Ronald Reagan Factor nailed. MAny Americans would much rather vote for a pretty, familiar, reassuring lie than for the guy with a actual policies that face up to our problems. No one thought Reagan beat Jimmy Carter on the power of his intellect or on his honesty.
    No surprise, then, that Palin went attack dog on the Dems, wasn’t particularly honest, and didn’t offer policies to solve problems. All that’s beside the point if the Repub base turns out in massive numbers because they find her appealing.
    __ ___
    Also wrote last night:
    Some unbelievably lackluster speakers . . . think about how brightly Sarah Palin is shining after that endless line of bad speakers with bland lines and nothing to say about wrongheaded policies. Palin just ascended beyond Rudy, Mitt.<
    Noting the contrast isn’t “cynical,” Steve, as I don’t mean it downplays Palin’s performance at all. She did a great job and just shines brighter than anybody else. She’s got the Reagan act down cold, and that’s all that matters to many voters. Especially as they cling to what they know.
    So, She may not be honest. She may not have great policies. She won’t be great for America. But she’s obviously a highly skilled politician and plenty of folks’ll just plain eat this up.
    Whatever baggage she carries will just be ignored.
    This will be interesting. And the outcome is clearly in doubt.
    Palin:
    “There are those that use Change to promote their careers; and then there are those who use their careers to promote Change.”
    Anybody got a retort? I sure hope so.

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  74. andrew says:

    You can’t be serious. You seem to call her speech a “homerun”, but call it rubbish al the same. Well, it was rubbish, and Neo-Orwellian is a spot-on analysis. The GOP are frightening.

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  75. pauline says:

    I personally couldn’t stomach watching 911iuliani up there. Earlier he was proclaiming Gidget from the North could have handled 9/11 [almost] as good as the rude one himself because of her “experience”. Ask the NY fighter fighters and EMT workers what they think of 911iuliani and you’re getting much closer to his truth.
    I can’t agree more with Tony. The O team must stick to the core issues, stay with the economic hardships the rethug fascists have created for virtually all Americans, and let’s see if Gidget can continue to sell ice to her own.
    The biggest victim in political campaigns is the pure and simple truth. Folks, campaigning is all political theater and drama pushed to the extreme. The more outrageous the statements made by the policitcal actors, the more applause they seem to muster. (Steve seems to be flip-flopping more than McSame and that takes some doing.)
    The biggest liars were up on stage last night and that was just Act 1.

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  76. questions says:

    Body language: She curls her right (I think) lip/cheek into some kind of weird smirk when she is delivering particularly nasty lines. She enjoys the nastiness.
    Huckabee didn’t applaud and looked very uncomfortable in the (C-SPAN) camera shots. Some groups in the audience also seemed uncomfortable with some of her lines.
    Her son Track’s face changed dramatically when she talked about his deployment. I think he realized he could die — realized right at that moment.
    Trig was handed from Cindy M over to the dad, to the younger daughter and made the rounds. Not sure I get this. Handing a baby like a football? Is it a sleeping/do not disturb baby or a political prop? Yes, arms get tired, but not that tired.
    The crowd was ready for blood– ZERO ZERO ZERO– and she delivered it — while wearing lipstick, just like she said.
    Giuliani was frightening. But now I know that Wasilla and NYC are equivalent.
    The small town anti-Ivy League bs was really bs. Talk about dividing the country by region/class/education. So what is the point of improving school standards and leaving no child behind if getting into a top college is not a goal? Of course, there is no point. Good enough is good enough, great is too good, and who wants those fancy degrees anyway? SNEER.
    What a nasty evening full of misdirected and foolish policy concerns. Health care? Just go to a doc-in-a-box. Rural depopulation? Just spend lots of pork on small low population areas (Alaska anyone?) and tell the kids that the big city is evil and LIBERAL. Energy? Drill here and drill now!!! Remember to feel fear, remember that you’re on your own, remember that reading a terrorist his or her rights is a waste of time, and remember that governing Alaska is the toughest job there is.
    She’s all Republican all the time.
    No home run here, just a desire to shower with Lava soap.
    INTERRUPT THE MEME ’08!

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  77. PissedOffAmerican says:

    (It always pisses me off to see Paul Norhiemn tell another poster to leave.)
    Paul, for all I know “Grief” could be a RW troll, trying to “Enquirerize”, or could be a truly concerned American, who sees the prenancy issues as relevant and pressing.
    However, it simply doesn’t matter. If Steve wants someone to stop posting, or go elsewhere, trust me, he’ll let that person know.
    Personally, I think the huge questions surrounding these two pregnancies are HIGHLY relevant, because this woman is being marketed as motherhood personified. And REALISTICALLY, the whole surreal way these two pregancies have been presented to us IS PURE UN-ADULTERATED UNBELIEVABLE BULLSHIT. There is simply NO WAY.
    If you knock a hole in the very essence of what these lying posturing pieces of shit have marketed Palin as being, than you have just sent her to the sidelines. And for the good of this nation, she NEEDS to be sidelined. Its imperative. And this whole pregnancy fantasy is ONE BIG GAPING HOLE. You have to be a total IDIOT to buy into her story. And this “story” is the biggest chink in her armor. Quite honestly, it defies all common sense and logic.
    In short, its crap.
    And yes, there are other issues. But just because the RW slime machine tells you its hands off on the pregnancies, doesn’t mean the issue doesn’t carry wieght with the American people. You show her as lyin’ about Iraq or Troopergate, and it will roll off a lot of shoulders. But you show her as lying about these pregnancies, then you just sunk her boat. And the ONLY logical explanation for this whole bizarre pregnancy thing is SHE IS LYING.

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  78. kotzabasis says:

    Steve-Why your clever ironical metaphor of ‘“Saint Sarah” just made her real debut in Sain Paul,’ which potentially could be used by the ‘McCain folks’, is not in the same category as Sarah’s ironical metaphor of ‘turning back the waters and healing the planet’-in fact paraphrasing Obama-and on the contrary you consider Sarah’s to be a ‘silly meme that Obama is somehow positioning himself as a modern Messiah?’

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  79. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Steve, your blog could serve the very real purpose of exposing the TRUTH about Palin, particularly in regards to Troopergate.
    But more importantly, you could work to expose her radical religious fervor, that current world events have certainly demonstrated is a very dangerous zeal for a world leader to possess.
    Personally, I found her speech terrifying, this is a woman that is a zealot, and seems to, (if past statements can be held as example), believe that God told us to murder a million Iraqis, and that Israel must be protected at all costs as a matter of faith rather than national security.
    In June, Mrs. Palin told ministry students at her former church that in going to war with Iraq, the United States is “on a task that is from God,” the Associated Press reported.
    Are we really to believe “God” told us to raze a sovereign nation and kill a million of its citizens? All based on deception, propaganda, and greed for power and resources? Is that the God we want our Vice President to worship?
    Anyone that says “God” sent us war in Iraq is a bigot. That is the only possible term for such a person. “Good”, the Christians. “Evil”, the Muslims.
    If one views the vindictivness this woman has focused on the State Trooper Wooten, justified by assertions that no one seems to be able to provide substantiating evidence for, one cannot fail to surmise that this woman can become quite dangerous wielding the power that the VP slot bequeaths to its holder.
    Watching these war mongering lyin’ sacks of shit justify the abandonment of Habeas Corpus, continue to seek to legitimize genocide, imperialism, and domestic fascist police actions is indeed heartbreaking. The speeches at these conventions are a travesty. This partisan bloodletting, propaganda, and bickering is destroying us as a people, and as a nation. We are losing our nation to monsters, liars, murderers, thieves, bigots, and religious fanatics.
    Surely, Steve, you know the “rights” and respect these people afford you and your loved one? Are those the values, tenets, and beliefs you want in power?
    Yes, this ghoul Palin has been marketed as a saint. And whats worse, she has the religious background and fervor to actually believe it. And that is truly terrifying. God help this world if this woman sees a chance to advance biblical prophecy.
    Watching the Conventions convinces me more than ever, our nation is in grave danger from within. We are truly in deep shit.

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  80. TonyForesta says:

    I mean’t to say: {The “myth” is that the gop, McCain or Palin, or the fascists in the Bush government care one iota, or give a flying crap about any Americans who are {NOT}superrich or white. Republican promote and advance a government of the superrich, by the superrich, and for the superrich exclusively, – the rest of us are meaningless to them.

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  81. Bill R. says:

    You have to be kidding, Steve. “Saint Sarah” the matriarch of the Jerry Springer clan. We’re just beginning to get the extent of dysfunction of that family. The husband and kids refused to move to Juneau when “Saint Sarah” won, so they ran wild while the hubby went off to work on the North Slope and play with his snowmobiles. So the 17 year old runs wild and gets pregnant by a teen jerk who says he doesn’t want kids and has a foul mouth.
    She is trying to stonewall an ethics investigation, refusing now to give testimony after it’s been proven she has lied in public statements. She has left behind a trail of enemies who are all ready to tell their stories.
    And you forget, Steve, in Alaska everyone knows everyone, and as the National Enquirer and the other press corps make the rounds there will be plenty of tales to tell.
    Because of time they didn’t play her video bio this evening and she spent most of the time being a rather vile pit bull rather than someone you want to be your president. Nope.. the Rs want to play the culture wars all over again but this is 2008, and the economy is on the eve of destruction.

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  82. Theresa says:

    I expected her to give a great speech from what I’ve heard about her. So perhaps for me it was a case of unrequited expectations.
    While it was good, I also got a little bored. She attacked too much and too often, while not giving that much information on herself. To me, it came across as a bit egotistical, especially the line about how much better she was than a community organizer. While I realize she probably didn’t say those words, that’s what I remember.

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  83. Dan Kervick says:

    While Palin’s positions on the various issues are clearly relevant, they are not THE issue posed by her candidacy. THE issue is that the vice president in our system of government has only one really important job. That job is to be prepared to assume the presidency, possibly on a moment’s notice, in case the president dies or is incapacitated.
    Absolutely nothing Sarah Palin said tonight, or showed, gave any indication that she is even remotely well-prepared for that job. So I would conclude that, far from exceeding expectations, she failed utterly to do the thing people most needed to see her do.
    The astounding thing is that Republicans don’t even bother arguing this point. Instead all they do is try to congratulate themselves about their awesome skill at subverting our system of government, and demeaning it, and using the position of the vice presidency for a clever political stunt aimed at recruiting “hockey moms” on grounds that have nothing to do with their candidate’s capacity to perform the job for which she has been nominated. Well, their cleverness is too clever by half, and their not going to get any advantage out of it.

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  84. TonyForesta says:

    The “myth” is that the gop, McCain or Palin, or the fascists in the Bush government care one iota, or give a flying crap about any Americans who are superrich or white. Republican promote and advance a government of the superrich, by the superrich, and for the superrich exclusively, – the rest of us are meaningless to them.

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  85. susan says:

    “Sarah Palin fails the focus group.”
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2008/09/video-sarah-palin-fails-focus-group.html
    Frank Lutz kept saying, “Wow” as a majority of the focus group participans expressed doubts about her.
    I think Barak Obama is sleeping well tonight.

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  86. bks says:

    Two words not found in Palin’s speech:
    Bush, Republican
    * * *
    I liked the single sentence in which we are, apparently supposed to give the oil companies what they want in AK, because they are so horrible.
    –bks

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  87. Mr.Murder says:

    You realize that immunity(pleading the 5th) can only come with full cooperation that it will drive discovery?
    Telecomm immunity should compel full disclosure of who Cheney spied on.
    Let’s wait, so they can all be pardoned. Congress sold us out.
    As for the topic on the speech, I agree that Palin did well in presentation. Her main problem was in resurrecting the tired campaign spiel of Rudy G, etc. One per centers, all of ’em.
    Rich tax cuts, playing scare cards. She had a chance to redraw some of the lines. It was squandered for expedience and the intellectually lazy who still think they are on the same narrative.
    Rudy mention Osama Been Forgotten. Was he not renditioned for doing that?
    Remind me again who was POTUS on 9-11? The greatest intelligence failure in history. They tried to travel the same road. “Run on the war.”
    The speech helped define her into the same narrow swath of sloganeering that lost Congress back to Democrats.
    Are you better off now than you were four wars ago?
    This isn’t to say it’s any better than the legalese of Obama. Combat troops out, temp service contractors in, war by any other name is still the same…
    It’s time people started filing restraining orders on the whole lot of them. If their own citizenship can’t compel to act in the common good, then someone should compel judges to act in their stead, or prohibit the sorry lot from staining the posts they are entrusted.
    It could have been wide open. There’s still many other background items at play. This was a return to normalcy, on steroids. Most Americans want normalcy again, compared to the last eight years, but the facts are being shaped.
    This is simply another episode of America becomes first in the race for second place, part 111+45.

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  88. Linda says:

    Paul,
    While I agree that “What Grief Is Good?” was perhaps too emotional and repeats items that should not be discussed at all about Palin’s personal life. Anything that is in the public domain as part of the political campaign is fair game.
    My concerns about Palin are about her positions on issues and her lack of qualifications for the job; however, most parents would not take a 5-6 month old baby to be on display that way nor the daughter and her fiance. That was pure “in-your-face” politics. It’s doesn’t qualify as child abuse, but it surely isn’t what I would call exemplary parenting skills, judgment, or character.
    BTW, a male candidate could have an infant child and a teenage pregnant daughter (exact same situation), and I’d judge him the same.

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  89. Steve Clemons says:

    Obama planted the seeds of his mythdom when he published his first memoir. Governor Palin has no such memoir — but she wrote a chapter of it at the Convention. Myth creation and promulgation is important to both sides.
    — Steve Clemons

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  90. Tahoe Editor says:

    Have you ever called Barack Obama’s life a “myth”? Or are we just playing identity-politics favorites now?

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  91. Dan Kervick says:

    Steve, I watched the speech on CNN. When you get a chance to see the televised speech, let us know what you think of the many shots of Palin’s family, and the impression conveyed by these shots to America and the rest of the world.
    In the last few days, we have seen a lot of commentary from various quarters in which the commentators seem to assume that they understand the true populist soul of America, and that with that great insight they can see that Americans will take to the indecorous exploits of the Palin family. These commentators seem to believe that most Americans are actually like the reality show nitwits they watch for laughs on television.
    I don’t buy it. Somehow I think the whole spectacle of the daughter’s hockey hunk boyfriend, rushed into a rustic shotgun wedding, dressed up in a suit and dragged out into the prime seats of the Republican convention, to be presented to America and the world as the model American family, is just too base and disturbing for the average American viewer. Most Americans aspire to a certain level of middle class decorum and respectability. They do deal with situations like pregnant unmarried daughters with hell-raiser boyfriends, of course, but they have some tact and modesty, and don’t flout their private indiscretions before the whole community. And I don’t think they appreciate seeing this kind of tawdriness dragged out before the world as representative of our country and our leaders.
    The Republicans have sunk into the pits of the lowest kind of cheap seats populism. And I think that they have sorely miscalculated. They are now pitching a public relations tableaux and story line that appeals to an audience that falls significantly below the intelligence level of the average American, and for most of us offends our sense of decency and decorum.
    If the Republicans have given up on the issues entirely, and want to try to turn this election into a mere spectacle, with a style contest between class and dignity, on the one hand, and a trailer park melodrama on the other, along with a laughably ill-equipped vice presidential candidate thrown in for comic relief, then I welcome them to it. Most Americans think better of the image and reputation of their country than Republicans think they do.
    I can’t agree with the estimable Paul Norheim about the nature of what is happening. We no longer have a case of anyone invading the Palins’ “privacy”. Instead, Palin and the Republican party have decided to drag Palin’s family out as cheesy props in an unappetizing televised entertainment.

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  92. Mr.Murder says:

    She doesn’t want terror suspects getting rights, Obama doesn’t want Americans being spied on to get rights.
    Is there anyone who wants to “do the rights thing?”

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  93. TonyForesta says:

    Progressives,
    Quit this insane focus on Palin. Look at the realities. She is a Rovian invention and trap. She’s a gun toting hardcore wingnut, she’s hot, she articulate, (speaking in front of a large national audiance is a talent that cannot be taught) she has experience managing at least a small state, she’s a self admitted pitbull, and she’s a woman. Focus on the issues. What are the republicans running on? Iraq? China won the first oil contracts, Maliki replaced his “Status of Forces” negotiating team, we’re spending $10bn of the peoples dollars a month there, our military is so bogged down we do not have any capacitity to effectively counter Russia’s checkmate in Georgia. The economy is a horrorshow for working Americans. Ecological issues threaten the stability of the entire planet, the Constitution is “just a goddamn piece of paper”, corporate abuses and abusers are granted immunity from the government, the government is the largest most porcine in American history and bailing out our criminal financial institutions out of desperation with our tax dollars and borrowed money from China, Saudi Arabia and Dubia. Creationism is anti science. The government the wingnuts are so eager to minimize is feverishly at work policing spying on Americans without due process or just cause. And the government the fascist are so keen or minimizing is bent on granting immunities to the criminals responsible for these crimes.
    Wake up Americans! Wake up. The republicans are pathological liars wrenching control of what little is left of our once more perfect union and handing it carte blanche to the fascists and the criminals in the predator class who have brought us to the depths of shame, and calamity we all must hazard and endure.

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  94. Paul Norheim says:

    “What Grief is Good”:
    many of us here disagree with Sarah Palin`s opinions and were
    shocked when McCain chose her as VP. But your insistent
    speculations, gossip and petty little private moralistic
    indignation regarding pregnancy & family life of the Palin family
    is becoming more and more disgusting and out of place at
    TWN.
    Why don`t you just apply for a job directly at The Enquirer,
    instead of spreading their crap and mindset her first? You seem
    to have a special talent for invading privacy and legitimating
    your petty curiosity with moral indignation and acting as
    politically “concerned”.
    “I still can’t get over them handing the five month old baby to
    Palin’s youngest daughter who is what — six?”
    No, obviously you can`t get over it – I cant remember how many
    times I`ve read you repeating that. There are literally millions of
    blogs on the web where such “concern” will be taken seriously.
    Please go there!

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  95. Linda says:

    She played well on TV and will which was no surprise to me. She has given speeches for years, was trained and worked in broadcast journalism, and was a beauty queen. And she is very confident because she knows God is on her side. And she will remain that way. She obviously has a high Q score, and with low expectations that can trump a high IQ score.
    Obama-Biden need to get their message particuarly on taxes and the economy down to sound bite/slogans that they can repeat over and over–Are you better off? The deficit–wrong on Iraq, etc.
    And it’s worth noting that the base of the party surely doesn’t look like America–but more like the demographics of Alaska.

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  96. What Grief Is Good? says:

    The Enquirer is already working on the Palin (her’s) infidelity
    story. Five years ago with her husband’s best friend is what is
    being claimed.
    Other press outlets are working on son Track, the “hero” who’s
    going to be deployed on Sept. 11 (fancy that coincidence!) who
    was rumored to be going to go to jail for vandalizing school
    buses but the judge offered a choice of jail or the military.
    And then there are the two stories that refuse to die, the first
    because Palin has confirmed it herself:
    1) that Palin flew after her water broke not telling the airlines
    that she was pregnant and might go into labor with a special
    needs child.
    2) that her daughter Bristol might be the parent of Trig and/or if
    she is pregnant again, would have gotten pregnant around the
    time Trig was born if they’re not lying about how far along
    Bristol is.
    In either case, Palin is either a liar or an unbelievably negligent
    mother to two of her children.
    I still can’t get over them handing the five month old baby to
    Palin’s youngest daughter who is what — six?
    Piper didn’t hold the infant’s neck, and stroked his soft points on
    LIVE TV WHILE THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHED. Probably every
    mother, except for mothers who make up the GOP’s fruitcake
    base, bit her lip.
    What a massive cluster f*ck. And the sad part is, given the utter
    insanity of the U.S. public, this person, Sarah Palin, who has
    admitted recently that she doesn’t know what a VP does, and
    that she doesn’t know anything about U.S. foreign policy, and
    who just kissed the Israel lobby’s ass via her command
    performance in front of the American Israel Public Affairs
    Committee, might actually be the President of the U.S.
    If there is a god, she’s screwing with us massively. Take that
    you horny men — the world will end because McCrazy picked
    T&A and your sorry asses, and the sorry asses of emo women,
    voted for it.
    Well, that is if the voting machines actually register the will of
    the people for the first time in 9 years…

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  97. aresluna says:

    Lose the period at the end of the link and it should work. Sorry

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  98. Aresluna says:

    Check out this letter from a resident from Wasilla. http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html. If this has any validity to it, this woman is the second coming of W.

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  99. calling all toasters says:

    Steve–you think Republicans doubted she could convincingly read from a teleprompter? All this Sarah-mania has a shelf life of about 48 hours. Hell, even the MSM is starting to report that here ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ lies are just that. Meanwhile the investigation into her abuse of power and the detailing of her extreme views will continue to grow as stories. She probably did just well enough to keep McCain stuck with her. In other words, he’s still screwed.

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  100. Steve Clemons says:

    I should add that I was there in the Hall — so this may have had a “different feel” on TV. Not sure about that. But I thought she had to push the myth of her life, her competence and compare herself to Obama in a compelling way. I think she did this for those at the Convention who desperately wanted to find an onramp to supporting and liking her.
    The Convention here has been dead, flat, without energy, stale — until tonight….this was a real pickup in energy. You could feel it if you were there.
    But again, on the level of substance, I agree with a lot of Dan K’s positions — and made some of my differences clear. I have other differences as well — but am whacked/tired.
    more later.
    Steve Clemons

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  101. Steve Clemons says:

    Thanks Dan — I didn’t like her speech substantively, but it did what it needed to do to correct the position of many doubting Republicans. I didn’t listen to spin from others. I made clear my disagreements with her positions — but my sense is that rank and file Republicans and some others were taken with the speech. Best, steve

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  102. diane ham says:

    she can read a speech that was written for her by her handlers. She had all day to practice it and her delivery was o.k. Does anyone think those were her ideas and thoughts??

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  103. Dan Kervick says:

    I’m sorry, Steve, but I think you are very wrong about the expectations of the American people. Palin was worse than could possibly have been imagined. Her performance was an abysmal national embarrassment, and the attempts by some media and operatives to spin it otherwise are an insult to the intelligence of the average American. Palin looked and sounded like a fish out of water, and came off like she was just reading words others had written for her. Her cadence, facial expressions and body language were forced and awkward. And the actual content of the speech is close to gibberish, as the passages you cite only begin to suggest. It was like a high school assembly speech. I think Americans expect major party candidates for Vice President to perform much better than that, even candidates who come in with the proverbial “low expectations.”
    And what could the speech writers possibly have been thinking when they decided to insult every community organizer in the United States, from either party? You know, here in purple state New Hampshire, we pride ourselves on the highest rate of community volunteerism in the country. How do you think all those volunteers are going to respond to being told they are a bunch of lazy asses with no responsibility? “Ayyup. She exceeded my expectations”? Her rhetorical attacks were weak, forced and ineffective. They only made her look pathetic and undignified.
    I do think parts of the public may still be in some shock, and perhaps can’t quite come to grips with the utter contempt the Republicans have for them. But I think the shock is about to become anger, really fast.

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  104. TonyForsesta says:

    The gop is the party of pathological liars. They say things on TV, but in practical application they are the party whose interests are of the superrich, by the superrich, and for the superrich. The rest of us are merely integers in their fascist calculus. The wingnuts disparagingly frame Obama as a messiah, not theleft. We want change, and an end to the lawlessness, warmongering, profiteering, evangelical LIES that have defined, and almost destroyed America over the last eight years. McCain who votes with the fascists 90% of time is no maverick. Palin stood up to the oil companies while supporting them on practically every issue including drilling. It’s a joke, and a pathological lie.
    The future is green technologies like or not, and irrespective of all the wingnut and oil and energy oligarch disinformation and propaganda to the contrary, – America either moves into the future, or is doomed to suffer the consequences of clinging to the failed past. Palin is not the issue. Rather it is the unabated nazification of Amerika that must end, or we will all get and deserve whatever fiery pit and hell the fascists and McCain/Palin will hurl us into.

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  105. Tahoe Editor says:

    “Palin, like George W. Bush and Cheney … ” wow, you won’t budge from Eli Pariser’s talking points! Good luck with lashing Palin to Cheney; you’ll be as successful as Chris Matthews convincing Americans that they AREN’T American if they don’t cry when ZERO speaks.
    “the silly meme that Obama is somehow positioning himself as a modern Messiah”: IF you elect me, THEN my nomination was “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planets began to heal.” IF you don’t elect me, all bets are off.
    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/09/sarah_palin_cho/#comment-114528

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  106. TonyForesta says:

    Palin delivered a knockout. Obama and the DNC need to concede this savage defeat, lick their wounds for falling into the Rovian trap of attacking this woman on personality, and stick to the issues.
    The gop has nothing to run on. The economy is teetering on the brink of calamity, and while superrich white people may be comfortable, the rest of America is in deep ca ca. Creationism is a joke. Iraq is a crime scene. America is impotent in responding to Geogia. Iran won Irag. Evangelicals are neither true followers of Jeshua ben Joseph, nor concerned about Americans outside of redneck Amerika.
    Obama’s stump speech is hollow now. If this race is about personality, the fascist remain in power for at least four more years if not another decade. The party is on now, and progressives, the Obama team, and the DNC need to stop focusing on Palin (a Rovian trap) and start hitting McCain on the critical issues that will shape the lives of all Americans.
    The gop set aside their American hats, now that Gustav passed with little impact, and inflicted several cuts into the democratic candidates and platform. DO NOT ATTACK this woman. McCain is the presidential candidate, and while Palin must stand on her record, policies, and ideologies, we have wasted five valuable days whacking at the fascists focused on this stealthy pitbull.
    Nothing has changed in terms of the issues, or the dread concerns we all must hazard and endure. It is time for democrats to learn how to win an election and set about doing it.

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