Israel Strikes Gaza

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From a CNN news alert:

— Israeli aircraft launch air attacks across Gaza, causing many deaths and injuries, according to CNN journalist.

Over 100 now reported killed in attack.
— Steve Clemons

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66 comments on “Israel Strikes Gaza

  1. rosalyn aimer says:

    today is 29th january and ive just seen on press tv that israel are striking gaza yet again when there is meant to be a ceasefire. that just proves to me that israel can do as they please they are above all laws. they have always been above any international law and always done whatever they chose to do with total disregard for the un and any international law. what happened in gaza was war crimes on both sides. hamas are breaking the law firing rockets indiscriminately and israel are breaking law bombing civilians and un schools and other buildings. however at end of the day the palestinians have been treated despicably for many years by the israeli government and all the world governments are well aware of it but sit back and do nothing so while condeming the rockets fired by hamas i can understand their frustrations and the provocation they are experiencing. i dont know where this will all end apart from what the bible says that when jesus returns he will bring peace to the whole earth and really he is the only one who can….

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  2. Matt says:

    (Joe M)
    I cant understand why you fight violence with violence? this will not solve any future peace talks with attitudes like yours.
    Innocent people should not suffer for this! Children dieing over land, whats wrong with you?

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  3. yoni from israel says:

    All the bullshit about that the Israeli start the
    conflict is wrong when the Israeli nation started
    the Israeli got only 45% of the land and Palestine’s did got the rest they were holding
    more land then Israel has and the Palestine’s were
    not happy that they didn’t get 100% of the land
    and the conflict began and the Zionists won
    and claimed little more land and after all the wars.
    the Palestine place left was Gaza and hamas now
    control it and now do terror to Israel eight straight years with the kassams on the something like fourth year we evicted gaza from Israelis
    and now forget what i said the Palestine people
    does want peace the hammas are actually from Iran
    and i think yesterday was a Palestine who did
    escaped from Gaza were in my house and he talked
    about in how much fear he were in Gaza, when he
    drink’s coffee in the street a hammas man can come
    and he dont understand their language first he
    bit they’re crap off and then ask what they did said.
    so all my point is stop saying we the Israeli are
    evil or what ever just(sorry for the bad words)
    shut your fucking mouth before you say something
    you don’t even know.

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  4. Anton says:

    No offense caron but Israel has a right to attack Gaza. Gaza is the home of the Hamas terrorist group. The Hamas have been firing missiles and rockets into Israel for a long time, and Israel finally got sick of it. Hamas deserves what it is getting. If Canada fired missiles and rockets into the US, I am pretty sure the US would launch either a full offensive into Canada or fire missiles.

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  5. S. Redcox says:

    I hope Israel will wipe out Hamas ( the worst possible Terrorists on Earth). I pray the rest of the world should relax, sit back enjoy the show on T.V and when Gaza is finished, say things like uh,ho thats interesting..Hmmm… Glad the US is staying out.

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  6. محمد رضا جاوداني says:

    ننگ اعراب دوباره عيان شده است . كربلا غزه و كوفه قاهره شده است .down whit israiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil

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  7. Paul Norheim says:

    “I would like to go back 2000 years when Mohamed came on to
    the scene – incedently this was almost the same time as Jesus.”
    Congrats, Roy Bettesworth.
    Why don`t you go back to when Galileo Galilei entered the scene?
    Incidentally this was “almost” the same time as Billy Preston
    joined the Beatles on keyboards for the Let It Be recordings.

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  8. ROY BETTESWORTH says:

    I would like to go back 2000 years when Mohamed came on to the scene – incedently this was almost the same time as Jesus. Two different religions started and have since grown. The Muslim religion has however from start been extremely separtist and hankered after world domination. They had after the Roman Empire collapsed created the Ottoman empire which included most of the Mediterranean including Spain and parts of Italy. They were very dominating and no one else could use the Mediterranean. The Europeans got together and in about 1571 defeated them in a great Naval Battle.
    So although the Ottoman Empire (Sultan Osman after who the empire is named) disolved the Turkish, Iranian,and all the other nations in that area were still very much in exsistance.
    The point I am making is that what we are seening in Iran, Iraq ,Palastine and all the Muslim nations is still the same . They still want to rule the world – are very separatist and this can be seen by their extreme behaviour. Everything that happens in the Middle East or any where else where there is a terrororist attack must be seen in this context.

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  9. rich says:

    POA @ 11:54 —
    You’ve been doing yeoman’s work, so I offer this short video clip as a well-earned reward.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjRQwvnjpPw

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  10. mark says:

    I have been following this on news . there has been no condimnation of hammas firing rockets into israel ,… none . I have no dog in this fight, but it seems to me that there is a huge double standard here . when the regional players start treating both sides the same, then maybe there can be a solution .. stupid sh.ts

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  11. Manus says:

    Gaza is not Mexico. For a start it is not a country as the Palestinian state do not exist.
    . Israel as the occupying power under article 55 of the Geneva Convention “has the duty of ensuring the food and medical supplies of the population; it should, in particular, bring in the necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the resources of the occupied territory are inadequate”. Israel failed to do so and used it as a bargaining political instrument for oppression. In fact, 1.5 million inhabitants are effectively prisoners. Israel strategy is to cut the blood supply to create an environment of chaos and destabilise the Hamas regime in Gaza. Israeli internal politics struggles also had a major influence on how the military campaign will be directed. Kadima and Avodah would have lost the elections handsomely if they have not shown that they are tough and a successful campaign in Gaza seriously improves the leftists’ chances in the elections. Also, a political readjustment with the arrival of a new American administration in few weeks was necessary. This kind of cynicism is nothing new to Israeli politicians and their miserable calculations.

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  12. peace says:

    israel killing children , woman. down with israel.that lands owner Palestinian. after israel came and bought them land. so Palestinian people fighting for freedom (no gun no tank etc..with stone) . you must research their history. israel must stop.
    (sorry for my english. its not good)

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  13. Paul Norheim says:

    Sure, Elan. But how could you overlook the racist comment from
    Gefen, two inches above your own complain?
    It doesn`t bother you at all, does it?

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  14. Elan says:

    Yael was correct in her comments about “Joe M”. Joe M’s statements have no place in any rational discussion and simply discredited him and the blog that would leave them up.

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  15. American Patriot says:

    Gefen, I can smell your smegma from here you filthy shmuck.

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  16. Gefen says:

    Its good to hear that Israel has struck hard on these thugs and terrorists. Israel has the right to defend itself. These Arabs are bent upon destroying Israel. Its not about just west bank and Gaza, they want the entire Israel for the grab. Though some Arabs have accepted the reality and want a solution, some still believe they have a shot to destroy Israel. This is never going to happen. The Arabs have plenty of land of their own. The Israelis have just a small part of it which belongs to them. They have lived and loved this land for thousands of years like others in middle east and they have every right to protect their precious land from rag headed Arabs.

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  17. Rirou says:

    it s very easy : israel can not exist within peace.
    and we all know the story of the jews .. btw lived in peace under islamic protection during centeries.. the story of israel which is allways repeated again and again and it will also happen again soon or later: ISREAL will DISEPEAR.

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  18. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Gads, how’d the blathering fool know I had a fat mouth???
    Okay, TWN, fess up, who ratted me out?

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  19. zayd says:

    Israel wants everyone to believe that the conflict began when a bunch of crazed Muslims started firing on them (sic). The state of Israel was formed in 1947 when Jewish terror gangs started attacking the villages of Palestinians in an attempt to create an exclusive Jewish state (Ben Gurion’s Diaries). The Zionist founders of Israel were not satisfied with a UN partition of the state that gave them 50 percent of a land that was 93 percent owned by Arabs (Moshe Sharett: “We can never let the world view maps). And since then, the Israelis have squeezed more and more Palestinian land as the world has watched. That is why the Palestinians are attacking.
    But in Israeli myths presented to the American taxpayer, history begins with the last spilling of Jewish blood. The Palestinians daily humiliation, their total subjection to Israeli military occupation, the confiscation of over 80 percent of Palestinians land by Israel–that does not count as history or suffering (See the work of Israeli Meron Benvenisiti, former deputy mayor of Jerusalem).

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  20. Joe M. says:

    Contrary to what you arrogant, idiotic Americans think, we Arabs don’t give a damn about you. All you do is bring death and destruction. Why should we take you seriously? Why is your advice valuable to anyone (except gravediggers). For years the Americans have been begging us to act peacefully to the Zionists, and we have gained nothing but more death from your advice. For one, POA, you should shut you fat mouth.

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  21. Joe M. says:

    Do you think we give a shit what you think?
    My point is specifically to push the debate into a more radical direction.
    And it is amazing that you, POA, being such an empty loud mouth in general, would have a problem with that.

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  22. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Yeah, you jackass, your way is really getting positive results, isn’t it?
    Go ahead, you bleepin’ idiot, blather on about “Israel must die” and see how far that gets the Palestinians.

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  23. Joe M. says:

    “Iraqi-American”
    You are clearly not a nuanced thinker. Israel is not a nation-state. It is a state only. And a colonial one that was built upon stolen land, at that. Jews might consider themselves a nation, but that is a different matter that I have not discussed here. I never said anything against Jews as a group. But Israel, the state, is a cancer and it must die. I will repeat that Apartheid South Africa was also a cancerous state that did die (Note: there was not mass killing of white South Africans when Apartheid died). Israel is no different. As I have said this before. And do not be so stupid to believe that the West Bank and Gaza are Palestine, they are not. Israel stole Palestine, and they have no right to our land. Just as the Americans can’t create their own State in our land in Baghdad.
    POA,
    It is not for you to determine what the “interests of peace” are, or what the “problem” is. My family members are in Palestine, not yours. And we have to live with all you happy talk about peace, and all the bullshit process that the likes of you support.
    To make things totally clear, I support a one-state solution and complete right of return for the Palestinian refugee families like my own. But I have no desire to talk happy about Israel. It is a vial, racist cancer. And there is no debate about that. If the Jews want to stay in peace with equal rights, that’s one thing. If they want supremacy and a justification for stealing our land, they will face the anger of millions. The Jews are already outnumbered even in their own country, and will eventually be forced to leave (even if we do not have the power to force them out today) unless they give us our land back. They have a choice, either dismantle their vial, stinking corpse of a state and live in peace with us, or they will eventually be forced to leave. There is no answer through a “two-state solution”.

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  24. na says:

    “It’s about time that Hamas will stop its terror attacks and start being human.”–Abu Bird…
    Wow, so massacring 200 people, as children were in school and as festivities went on to honor the policemen in Gaza, is humane to you?
    You don’t stop fire with fire! The rockets that were launched by Hammas was nothing like the caliber of these Israeli strikes. Demonstrations are going on in Lebanon, in Jordan, in Syria…these are NOT 3rd world countries. They are ALL effected by the violence in Palestine.

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  25. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “i am Palestinian on the other side, and grew up spending time in both Jordan and the USA”
    Than you especially should understand the incendiary nature of your comments about Israel being a “cancer”. You aren’t serving the interests of peace any more than Abe is.
    And your failure to provide capitilizations causes your prose to seem immature and childish. Both your message and your delivery is irritating, even to someone such as myself, that decries the actions of Israel.
    If you think that stating “Humanity will be better off when Israel ends” somehow advances the cause of the Palestinbian people, than you are no better than some idiot that thinks that starving the Palestinian people helps eliminate rocket attacks.
    Hate to break it to you Joe, but you’re part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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  26. Iraqi-American says:

    Well Joe, you give Iraq a bad name. To say that a nation-state “must die” is an argument that hopefully will always be opposed with maximum force, regardless of who that nation-state is. And if a people are disenfranchised enough not even to have a nation-state, as is the case with the Palestinians, it should also not be acceptable to say of them that they “must die.” Although you hear that uttered fairly casually about Palestinians and Iraqis in U.S. Nonetheless, you’re a shame to Iraqis for using your position as a hated man to further spread hatred. Oppose expansion of settlements in the West Bank all you want. Oppose IDF bombing raids in Gaza all you want. But don’t call for the death of a country, and expect not to be called out for it. Israel is not going away, and you have to learn to accept that. Your goal, if you’re interested in the well-being of your Palestinian family, which I’m sure you are, should be to seek a viable Palestinian state. Like it or not, given geopolitical realities, the state of Israel is a necessary precursor and partner in that viable Palestinian state.
    OK people, I’ve had enough of this. Feel free to call out your fellow tribesmen too, if you think they’re spreading hatred. Hatred is, after all, the enemy. Right? Can I get an “Amen” or a “Shalom” or a “Salaam” or a “heck yeah” or something? I hope we’re not so far gone as a country that that statement isn’t incontrovertible.
    -E

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  27. Joe M. says:

    for the sake of completeness, i am Palestinian on the other side, and grew up spending time in both Jordan and the USA.

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  28. Joe M. says:

    joy to you, I am Iraqi myself on my father’s side (from monsur, baghdad). And, if you read my post, i questioned your alleged ethnicity because you seem to support the Zionists.

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  29. Iraqi-American says:

    Thanks Joe M, for trying to dismiss, with the wave of a hand, my ethnicity and the difficulty of being ethnically Iraqi in the United States. My family’s originally from Mosul, Iraq. I was born in the U.S. The last of my family to leave Iraq did so shortly after the war started in 2004. I’m not sure what your basis for doubting my heritage is. I’d say it’s my eloquence, but that would sound arrogant and accuse you of racism at the same time. Hmmm… that sounds about right actually.

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  30. Iraqi-American says:

    Again, I haven’t read all the comments serially, but am accessing them randomly as I’ve joined the discussion midstream. I also take objection to Abe Bird’s comment that Hamas isn’t human. Regardless of their actions, the group is still made up of human beings, who, no matter how they act as individuals or collectively, deserve to be recognized as human beings and afforded basic rights. Those who hate should be allowed to come to regret that hatred. And if they’ve acted criminally, they should be allowed to come to regret that hatred in prison. That includes George Walker Bush and Richard Bruce Cheney.

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  31. Joe M. says:

    I am going to say one more time, Israel is a political state. “Israel” is not people. Israel, the state, is a cancer. Apartheid South Africa was also a state, and was also a cancer. It was a victory for humanity when it died. Israel is absolutely a cancer and it must die as well. Humanity will be better off when Israel ends. Zionism is racism, and that racism is the fuel that powers Israel. Zionism is equally a cancer and must end.
    Then you have Yeal and Abe calling for the bombing of Gaza, and that is acceptable. It is a disgrace.
    I highly doubt that “Iraqi-American” is Iraqi at all, but probably some Zionist using a fake name. No Iraqi in their right mind would support Israel more than the Palestinians (unless, of course, they are on the american or Israeli payroll).

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  32. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “1.2 million Iraqis have died due to the irrational hatred of Iraqis within the United States”
    Save a few monstrous abominations in the upper tiers of our government, I have seen no evidence that the American people have an “irrational hatred” of the Iraqi people. In fact, the elections of 2006, and our adminitions to this fuckin’ fraud Obama to get us the hell out of Iraq would seem to indicate the opposite. What evidence can you cite to confirm the presence of this “irrational hatred”?

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  33. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Uhm, but Abe saying that Hamas members aren’t “human” isn’t hate speech? Singling out Joe M for censorship, while ignoring comments like Abe’s, is a telling indicator of just how biased and lopsided this debate usually becomes.
    Its always amazing to me how willing people are to avoid commenting on the actual statistics in regards to casualties. Its like the facts don’t exist to these people.
    There are instances of Israeli leaders publically stating that a Palestinian life has far less value than the life of a jew. Yet such massages of hate and racism are rarely cited. Instead, we are subjected to a steady litany of mis-translations of Ahmadinejad’s statements through propaganda tools like MEMRI.
    In truth, why are Joe M’s statements any less incendiary than Abe’s? Both display a rabid fanaticism that will never serve the pursuit of peace.
    There are many questions surrounding this latest military action. Why are Palestinian police stations being targeted, when it is they that are tasked to apprehend those that are launching the missiles against Israel? Why were these air-raids launched just as Palestinian children were leaving their schools? Why are these lyin’ sacks of shit on Fox News claiming this action was “unexpected”, when the internet has been abuzz with premonitions now for over a week?
    Its quite telling that Israel always seems to precede these military actions with blockades, diminishing hospital stores and stocks in advance of inflicting mass casualties. Are we to believe thats by accident?

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  34. Iraqi-American says:

    To call a country a “sickness” and a “cancer” and say it “must die” is of a different mode than criticism of policies. Take it from me, the demonization of a country starts with one Laurie Mylroie, but it can become a raging wildfire. 1.2 million Iraqis have died due to the irrational hatred of Iraqis within the United States. The U.S. hasn’t benefited from this irrational hatred either. No one who has been through that process of dehumanization to death on a mass scale would wish it on another people.
    -E

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  35. ... says:

    creat a prison camp – gaza – and get offended with the prisoners rebel… better yet, murder them.. interesting approach that is supposed to endear us to those who have created the prison camp? i don’t think so…

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  36. ... says:

    yael wants to support murder and genocide and is disappointed when someone from the other side wishes the same… how do you spell hypocrite???????????

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  37. Iraqi-American says:

    Steve,
    I hadn’t read all the comments, just somewhat selfishly scanning for replies to my comments, but Yael is 100% correct. Joe M’s comments have to go. There’s absolutely no reason why even a heated discussion on foreign policy and geopolitics should devolve into hate speech. As someone who has been on the receiving end of it, I oppose it in all its shifting forms. Hatred is the true cancer.
    -E

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  38. Yael says:

    Dear Steve Clemons,
    I urge you to remove from your website the comment posted above by “Joe M.” at 11:47 AM. This kind of hate speech and incitement should not be tolerated.

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  39. Cee says:

    I knew this attack was coming after reading about the cyberterrorism involving the undersea cables being cut AGAIN.
    POA,
    I told someone the other day that we can’t be sure of who is really firing those worthless missiles into Israel. I do know they benefit from them.
    I haven’t forgotten this exchange:
    Ricks told Kurtz, “One of the things that is going on, according to some U.S. military analysts, is that Israel purposely has left pockets of Hezbollah rockets in Lebanon, because as long as they’re being rocketed, they can continue to have a sort of moral equivalency in their operations in Lebanon.”
    http://www.prwatch.org/node/5066

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  40. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Again more of the anti-Israel drumbeat. They get pummeled with rockets on civilian targets and it’s all their fault”
    And the Israeli siege has no role in this? How come Israel’s actions are alway justified by the citation of the rocket attacks, yet the rocket attacks are never justified by the citation of Israel’s action’s? To hear you people tell it, the rocket attacks are committed in a vacuum, with absolutely no provication on Israel’s part.
    As I said above, Hamas is a direct, and understandable, result of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinian people.
    BTW, why aren’t Patriot missile batteries deployed in Israel? Are you saying that the crude Hamas rockets cannot be defended against? Israel has full access to our anti-missile technology. Is the effectiveness of these anti-missile technologies misrepresented by these lyin’ sacks of shit in Washington, or, (considering the extremely low casualty rate inflicted by these Hamas rockets), is Israel actually allowing the rockets to get through as a propaganda tool of justification for its continued collective punishment of the Palestinian people? Or worse, is the origin of the rockets often misrepresented? Is anyone here dishonest enough to claim that Israel is not known to use false flag attacks as justification for military action?

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  41. PissedOffAmerican says:

    International Witnesses Speak Out from Gaza
    For Immediate Release
    For More Information, please visit http://www.FreeGaza.org , or see contact details below.
    (Besieged Gaza , Palestine – 27th December 2008 ) – Human Rights Defenders from Lebanon , the UK , Poland , Canada , Spain , Italy and Australia are present in Gaza and are witnessing and documenting the current Israeli attacks on Gaza .
    Due to Israel ‘s policy of denying access to international media, human rights defenders and aid agencies to the Occupied Gaza Strip, many of these Human Rights Defenders arrived in Gaza with the Free Gaza Movement’s boats. FREE GAZA boats have broken Israel ‘s siege of Gaza five times in the past four months.
    “At the time of the attacks I was on Omar Mukhtar street and witnessed a last rocket hit the street 150 meters away where crowds had already gathered to try to extract the dead bodies. Ambulances, trucks, cars – anything that can move is bringing injured to the hospitals. Hospitals have had to evacuate sick patients to make room for the injured. I have been told that there is not enough room in the morgues for the bodies and that there is a great lack of blood in the blood banks. I have just learned that among the civilians killed today was the mother of my good friends in Jabalya camp.” – Eva Bartlett ( Canada ) International Solidarity Movement
    “Israeli missles tore through a children’s playground and busy market in Diere Balah, we saw the aftermath – many were injured and some reportedly killed. Every Hospital in the Gaza strip is already overwhelmed with injured people and does not have the medicine or the capacity to treat them. Israel is committing crimes against humanity, it is violating international and human rights law, ignoring the United Nations and planning even bigger attacks. The world must act now and intensify the calls for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel ; governments need to move beyond words of condemnation into an active and immediate restraint of Israel and a lifting of the siege of Gaza ” – Ewa Jasiewicz (Polish and British) Free Gaza Movement
    “The morgue at the Shifa hospital has no more room for dead bodies, so bodies and body parts are strewn all over the hospital.” – Dr. Haidar Eid, (Palestinian, South African) Professor of Social and Cultural Studies, Al Aqsa University Gaza
    “The bombs began to fall just as the children were on the streets walking back from school. I went out onto the stairs and a terrified 5 year old girl ran sobbing into my arms.”- Sharon Lock (Australian) International Solidarity Movement
    “This is incredibly sad. This massacre is not going to bring security for the State of Israel or allow it to be part of the Middle East . Now calls of revenge are everywhere.” – Dr. Eyad Sarraj – President of the Gaza Community Mental Health Centre
    “As I speak they have just hit a building 200 metres away. There is smoke everywhere. This morning I went to the building close to where I live in Rafah that had been hit. Two bulldozers were immediately attempting to clear the rubble. They thought they had found all the bodies. As we arrived one more was found.” – Jenny Linnel (British) International Solidarity Movement
    “The home I am staying in is across from the preventive security compound. All the glass of the house shattered. The home has been severely damaged. Due to the siege there is no glass or building materials to repair this damage. One little boy in our house fainted. An eight year little boy was trembling on the ground for an hour. In front of our house we found the bodies of two little girls under a car, completely burnt. They were coming home from school. This is more than just collective punishment. We are being treated like laboratory animals. I have lived through the Israeli bombardment of Beirut and the Israel ‘s message is the same in Gaza as it was in Beirut- The killing of civilians. There was just another explosion outside!”- Natalie Abu Eid ( Lebanon ) International Solidarity Movement

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  42. Bill R. says:

    Again more of the anti-Israel drumbeat. They get pummeled with rockets on civilian targets and it’s all their fault.
    Hamas isn’t interested in a peace process unless Iran is interested. They are totally dependent on Iran and have become an instrument of Iran’s foreign policy. Until their is a change in Iran, there will be no change in Gaza or until Hamas is expelled.

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  43. Cee says:

    I meant shoulders. Soldiers too I suppose.
    Report: Obama advisors want NATO troops in West Bank
    Date: 03 / 12 / 2008 Time: 20:55
    Bethlehem – Ma’an/Agencies – US President-elect Barack Obama is considering a deployment of NATO forces to the West Bank as part of a plan for resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict, an American newsmagazine reported on Wednesday.
    Former US-national security advisors Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski reportedly endorsed the strategy in recent days. Meanwhile, Obama’s nominee to head the National Security Council, Gen. James Jones, apparently favors the idea, all according to Newsweek, a weekly American newsmagazine.

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  44. Iraqi-American says:

    “I wish I shared your optimism. But judging from how quickly he back-peddled from his ‘plight of the Palestinians’ comments, and how he kissed AIPAC ass, I doubt your optimism is founded in reality.”
    Notice I didn’t state that he’ll be able to restrain Israel forever. Nor did I state that he’ll be able to achieve a two-state solution, just that he’ll be able to move the process forward. That process can always be moved back later. What I’m saying, is that I think Iraq (i.e. their oil) is the “prize” the U.S. wants most. Furthermore, a little Palestinian bloodletting, followed by a munificent Obama calling for peace (however temporary) might be (in American minds) the way to convince Iraqis to give away the vast majority of their oil. This is speculative analysis, folks, and I’m willing to admit that. But we’re talking about a people who thought they could pacify Iraq by dropping pink plastic radios with hand cranks that were hard-tuned to Voice of America in Arabic. We’re talking about a people who think that their training in Future Problem Solving and Odyssey of the Mind has prepared them for empire. Obviously, it hasn’t. Iraqis demand the complete withdrawal of all U.S. troops (“combat”, “trainers”, “advisers”,…) and “contractors” according to the timetable recently laid out in the SOFA.

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  45. Cee says:

    When will someone throw this yoke off of our soldiers?
    THEY are triggering another (false flag?) attack on the US.
    Intel report: Hizbullah may strike in US
    Homeland Security Threat Assessment for the years 2008-2013 says Hizbullah may foment terror attack in US if there is some kind of ‘triggering’ event. ‘The threat of terrorism and the threat of extremist ideologies have not abated,” Chertoff says
    Associated Press Published: 12.25.08, 23:52 / Israel News

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  46. Sam Thornton says:

    Don’t get so excited, folks. It’s just Israel’s
    way of sending Season’s Greetings.

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  47. alan says:

    Neither side has clean hands. But the US tilt towards Israel is what matters. The day after winning the Democratic nomination Obama went before AIPAC and made his “peace” with Israel, thus securing much of the J vote. Palestine has never had a chance to organise itself into a decent political state.

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  48. carol says:

    I would like to think PE Obama would change the direction of this crisis….I think unfortunately he thinks along the same lines as what we have in place now.
    What is it about this constant sucking up to Israel that it seems all Presidents hold the same view…I don’t get it??

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  49. DonSt says:

    Israel’s “self defense” has not proven effective to stop attacks. If, as it has been used here before, the “peace business” is the best we can expect from the situation, that’s one thing. I don’t think it is, but for the life of me I don’t know why I’m in the least optimistic.
    It does seem like denying Hamas is the route to more bloody stagnation. We can keep arguing about who’s right and who’s wrong, but it seems irrelevant. Only engaged pressure and support for the aggrieved parties can changes the equation. So far, and even worse in the past few years, the US has uncreatively supported Israel and downed Hamas. That is a formula for more of the same.

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  50. Joe M. says:

    POA,
    You are wrong about my statement. Israel is a political state. It is not people. Israel, the political state, is a true cancer and it must die. Any ethnic state is by definition racist and wrong, especially colonial ones like Israel.

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  51. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “No doubt things will get worse in Israel/Palestine until Obama is inaugurated. Then, miraculously, he’ll find a way to restrain Israel. Furthermore, he’ll show real motivation and achieve true progress at moving a two-state solution forward”
    I wish I shared your optimism. But judging from how quickly he back-peddled from his “plight of the Palestinians” comments, and how he kissed AIPAC ass, I doubt your optimism is founded in reality.

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  52. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “If Mexico fired regularly fired rockets at the US, would you be alright with that?”
    Depends. If we cut off their supply of foods and medicine, started systematically stealing land south of our border, and razed their crops, I suppose I’d expect them to retaliate.
    But in truth, I’m a bit embarrassed that I even bothered to repond to your asinine comparison.
    Which would you prefer, a hammer or a machete?

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  53. Iraqi-American says:

    In my humble analysis, the goal in all of this carnage and hysteria is the same. Enjoy this bloodiest of Hollywood movies folks, and happy holidays. No doubt things will get worse in Israel/Palestine until Obama is inaugurated. Then, miraculously, he’ll find a way to restrain Israel. Furthermore, he’ll show real motivation and achieve true progress at moving a two-state solution forward. As a result, he’ll gain credibility and clout in much of the Arab world. Good for him if this happens, and good for the Israelis and Palestinians too.
    The U.S. will still have to leave Iraq completely without acquiring one single drop of oil. In the meantime, enjoy the opening scenes. Because if you want this to end with the U.S. strong-arming Iraq into signing the Hydrocarbons Law or some similar form of resource theft, you won’t enjoy how this movie ends.

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  54. carol says:

    Posted by Alex Dec 27, 11:38AM – Link
    Yes, it’s definitely about time.
    If Mexico fired regularly fired rockets at the US, would you be alright with that?
    Israel has every right to defend itself. I hope they kill all of the terrorists and Hamas leaders.
    Why is it alright for Israel to do what they do and yet Palestine have NO RIGHTS in your book to do the same???
    Israel wants to dominate that region,I suppose you don’t see them as terrorists either…it’s only Palestine who have the terrorists???
    Israel have too much power over the US and other countries and we all just jump when they say how high….it’s pathetic.
    Why are the leaders of Palestine regarded as terrorists, is it just because they choose to defend their country?
    No one claims Israel to be terrorists when they do such awful things ,why is that we wonder…we in the US defend their actions as well and don’t condemn a darn thing they do.

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  55. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Israel is a true cancer and must die”
    Then you have the other side of the coin, that is just as monstrous as Abe’s racist horseshit. Its a shame we can’t take these assholes like Abe and Joe and turn them loose at each other with machetes and claw hammers, letting the more reasonable people get on with seeking peace.
    But reading Abe’s post, and Joe’s, who can possibly be optimistic for peace? It seems the circus is ran by these kinds of hate filled jackasses, and they are the norm rather than the exception.

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  56. Don P. says:

    Hamas won an election awhile ago. Yet the US and Israel chose to ignore the “voice of the people” and tried to bring the gov’t. down(Which they did on the West Bank) Add to this the years of illegal colonization of the West bank and the terror-like attacks of the Israeli armed forces and the balkanization of Palestinian Territory. What do you expect from the Palestinians? It would be nice to hear the true story in the US media instead of what AIPAC wants printed. The Israelis have created a Gulag for the palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank and are carrying out their own Holocaust. wg66gh

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  57. PissedOffAmerican says:

    What a crock of shit Abe is attempting to feed us.
    I wonder if Abe will bother to include the Palestinian casualty count for the last few years, as opposed to the Israeli casualty count.
    You can rest assured the Israelis will not be going out of their way to avoid killing Palestinian men, women, and children that are not Hamas.
    It is obvious that the Israeli leadership does not consider the Palestinians to be human, therefore undeserving as basic human rights.
    Hamas was created by Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. You cannot collectively punish, imprison, starve, abuse, murder, and degrade an entire population, and not expect retaliation, and for the Palestinians to seek redress by any means possible. Crude rockets against one of the most modern military powers in the world? For this the Israelis will once again exercise the military aspect of their policies of genocide?
    I wonder, will these racist monsters pepper Gaza, illegally, with millions of cluster bomblets, like they did in Lebanon?
    http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org/
    123 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,050 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.
    1,062 Israelis and at least 4,876 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.
    8,341 Israelis and 33,034 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.
    During Fiscal Year 2007, the U.S. gave more than $6.8 million per day to Israel and $0.3 million per day to the Palestinians. (View Source)
    Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.
    1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.
    0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.
    The Israeli unemployment rate is 7.3%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 23%.
    Israel currently has 223 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.
    http://www.peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=370&docid=3430

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  58. Joe M. says:

    Israel is a true cancer and must die. Israel is a sickness. Anyone who supports their shit pile of violence must have a dysfunctional brain. It is amazing the course of the Jewish people, from experiencing the genocide to perpetrating their own. I wish the Palestinians could defend themselves from Zionism, unfortunately they can’t. With luck, the American/Israeli project of colonizing the Arab world will soon come to an end.
    This shit “country” they call Israel is just digging its own grave. It is amazing arrogance that they think they can get away with such acts. The Palestinian people do not forget actions like this, they have never forgotten any of the Zionist crimes. With hope, they will get their revenge soon enough.

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  59. Alex says:

    Yes, it’s definitely about time.
    If Mexico fired regularly fired rockets at the US, would you be alright with that?
    Israel has every right to defend itself. I hope they kill all of the terrorists and Hamas leaders.

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  60. carol says:

    I don’t agree that Hamas are the only problem here, Israel think they have the right to complete ownership of the Middle East!!!
    With all the air power/tanks etc that Israel can use on the Palestinian people, plus of course our constant approval here in the US of whatever they do….do they not expect any form of retaliation from them!!!!
    You use the term “Hamas want to eliminate Israel.”…well I would hardly call what Israel do to Palestine a walk in the park either!!!!!
    No, there is enough blame to go around I feel, and I get fed up with this constant siding with Israel at every turn…you bet your life there will be no condemnation from the US about Israel killing people in Gaza…but we’ll be out there condemning Palestine attacks on Israel.
    Then we wonder why we are so hated by a lot of people in that region…we are not honest brokers here we enable and condone these acts and that is not right.

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  61. Abe Bird says:

    carol; it’s ONLY about the Hamas behave. Hamas argument is not political but genocidal. Hamas purpose is to eliminate Israel.
    JohnH; It is ONLY security. Thousands of rockets for some years on Israel have security significant.
    It has nothing to do with elections.

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  62. Abe Bird says:

    IAF success is much needed for both sides. It’s about time that Hamas will stop its terror attacks and start being human.

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  63. JohnH says:

    This has nothing to do with Israel’s security. As jonst says, “nothing good will come of this.” Nor is anything intended to come of it.
    After all, it’s election time in Israel…
    (Maybe Daniel Levy will enlighten us.)

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  64. carol says:

    Here they go again, why is it when Israel attack Palestine it’s alright….but when it’s reversed it’s seen as so bad????
    Israel have all the power on their side and of course the usual backing of the US, I’m sure we will hear no condemnation from the US about Israel attacking Gaza at all….I find that totally amazing.
    How can there ever be any kind of peace in that region when we here in the US only see one side of the argument?
    There are two sides to every argument and both sides need to be heard to get true peace and favouring one side over the other doesn’t work in my book.

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  65. jonst says:

    This action may or may not be legal. This action may or may not be necessary. But whatever it is, you can be assured Yael, the word “success” will never be associated with it. No good will come of this.

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  66. Yael says:

    It’s about time. On Tuesday the HAMAS legalized crucifixion. On Wednesday they and their friends in Islamic Jihad launched more than 60 Kassam rockets and dozens of mortar shells into Israeli homes, factories and a playground. I wish the IAF much success.

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