Did Someone Slip John Bolton Some Carrots?

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A loyal TWN reader sent me this short clip of Ambassador John Bolton‘s appearance on the Jon Stewart Show Tuesday night — and it’s well worth watching.
At about 4:45 in the 5 minute and 23 second clip, Bolton agrees with Jon Stewart that President Bush should stop with oversimplified black/white pandering of “freedom is good” narratives vs. “people who hate liberty are trying to kill us” rhetoric.
While I would debate John Bolton’s underlying current of anti-internationalism, he was very reasonable in this interview and poked at “the idealists.” Who are the idealists Bolton is referring to?
Well, of the idealists that matter in US foreign policy circles today, liberal interventionists and neoconservatives stand out — and it seems to me that the idealism of the Bush administration has been driven more by the neocon crowd, many of who are John Bolton’s colleagues at the American Enterprise Institute.
I wish John Bolton had been at a dinner the New America Foundation/Middle East Policy Initiative hosted last night for former Israel Shin Bet Chief Ami Ayalon — a leading star in Israel’s Labor Party in the Knesset who narrowly lost a race recently against Ehud Barak to head the party.
Ayalon revealed that in discussions he had with former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz before the March 2003 Iraq invasion, Wolfowitz and he were discussing how “democracy” could be achieved in the Middle East. Ayalon reported that Wolfowitz said that “when tyranny and tyrants are removed, democracy will just burst out.”
I think Bolton would have concurred with Ayalon’s skepticism of Paul Wolfowitz’s alleged view. To be fair to Wolfowitz, I happen to know that his views on nation building are substantially more complex — but in the heady times in the Bush administration between the 9/11 attacks and the decision to invade Iraq, it’s easy to imagine Wolfowitz and other Bush administration idealists/neoconservatives making such statements.
Bolton’s reasonableness may in fact be spreading to other quarters inside AEI. Jacob Heilbrunn, author of They Knew They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons is speaking at an AEI lunch on Friday.
I have already heard of internal angst inside AEI over Heilbrunn being invited — but I commend those at AEI who did pull this lunch together and think that it’s a testament to any institution that it can entertain speakers and ideas that may run at odds with the general milieu of an organization. I might even go.
More later.
— Steve Clemons

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24 comments on “Did Someone Slip John Bolton Some Carrots?

  1. Carroll says:

    Posted by arthurdecco at January 17, 2008 11:21 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I have already exploded….can’t you tell.
    I can’t take credit though for a lot of time spent finding stuff. A lot of articles and comments I quote come to me from a group of friends who mail each other almost every day and got very political after Bush and Iraq. I am a multi tasking freak and leave my computer on all day so I can explode in cyber space instead of real life because my husband threatened to tranquilize me if I didn’t calm down. LOL

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  2. FaceOnMars says:

    Maybe Bolton is simply trying to stay close to the power base of the next administration and is attempting to hedge his bet in order to ride it out for the long run? If the description of him being “kiss-up & kick-down” is accurate, then surely he sticks his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. I suppose the same could be said regarding the current administration; maybe he’s never really been 100% on board with the neo-cons, yet readily tows their fundamental line while they’re running the show?

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  3. Captain Dan says:

    A statement “when tyranny and tyrants are removed, democracy will just burst out” is inane, sophomoric, shallow, and indicative of hallucination!

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  4. 777 says:

    The moral decline of our society has sunk to such depths and strayed so far from the path of righteousness that the only way to get back to what God intended for his people is to destroy the whole vile cesspool this American society has become and build it up again in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
    You all are correct that we are on the brink of destruction, but what you don’t realize is that Our President and our people in government brought this end about on purpose. It was planned all along, for when the people suffer they flock towards religion, the greater the suffering the more that come back to the basics, of which belief in God is central.
    As Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed so shall our deviant country only to rise up again cleansed, redeemed, in the spirit of the Lord with God’s people restored to the helm.
    No revival of the one true way was or is possible for our beloved country through conducting business as usual. We are too far gone. The only way, God’s ultimate way, is complete destruction of the mortally corrupted society, followed by its guided rebuilding in Christ’s name.
    Finally, let me say, we are not armed to the teeth for nothing. There is a time and a place for everything under heaven. Brace yourselves, come into the fold of Christ’s redeemers, or be dispatched in due time to the firey pit. Repent Sinners!
    The End Is Near.
    All praise goes to Jesus.
    Blessed be the name of the Lord.

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  5. easy e says:

    try again on human craving for violence.
    http://www.livescience.com/health/080117-violent-cravings.html
    >>>>>>>>
    Ditto arthurdecco on Carroll passion & 10:25pm Wolfie post.
    On another note, Bolton & neocon crowd must be wallowing research results of human aggression & violence—http://www.livescience.com/health/080117-violent-cravings.html.
    -:)

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  6. easy e says:

    Ditto arthurdecco on Carroll passion & 10:25pm Wolfie post.
    On another note, Bolton & neocon crowd must be wallowing research results of human aggression & violence—http://www.livescience.com/health/080117-violent-cravings.html.
    -:)

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  7. kotzabasis says:

    Bolton would never accept the gratuitous “Slip…Carrots” of the liberal intelligentsia. As their diplomacy is an open door policy of appeasement to irreconcilable and deadly enemies. Bolton to the liberals is Hamlet’s Ghost. Whose appearance and “tale unfold”, in foreign affairs, “would harrow up their soul/Freeze their blood…And each particular hair to stand on end/Like quills upon the fretful porcupine”. But the spines of the liberal fretful porcupine would hardly hurt the intellectually hard skinned Bolton.

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  8. arthurdecco says:

    “…ha,ha..I want to hear more about the neo “intellectuals” and the complex thinking of Wolfie. Opps…there goes Clean Break and PNAC..even a half ass united Arabia means ISR’merica’s dream of Israel as the sole supreme super power in the ME is over.
    And it only took a trillion US dollars and 3,000 dead Americans and half a millon dead Iraqis to prove them wrong.” posted by Carroll
    This is powerful stuff, Carroll. Truth can do that. (Psst…How do you keep the intensity up without exploding?)
    But…before you explode, I thought I’d thank you for your passion, your focus and your outrage.
    (Btw, where do you get the time?)

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  9. Carroll says:

    Complex this Wolfie….
    From Marc Lynch: GWU & aardvark.com
    “First, al-Jazeera reports that Iran intends to participate actively and fully in the upcoming ‘neighbors conference’ on Iraqi security to be hosted by Kuwait in April. While Iran also participated in the last round in Istanbul, the fact that this time the Iranians will be holding forth in a key American Gulf ally is striking.
    In a press conference in Tehran, Kuwaiti Foreign Minister Mohammed Sabah al-Salem stressed that Kuwait’s excellent relations with Iran did not contradict Bush’s position, though they evidently declined to elaborate on this non-contradiction.
    Meanwhile, the Saudi paper al-Sharq al-Awsat turns over part of its op-ed page to Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh, whose call for more Arab-Iranian dialogue is pointedly at odds with the American message.
    Dabbagh writes that it is time to think seriously about Arab-Iranian dialogue based on national interests rather than on ideology or emotion, and tries to reassure Arab audiences that they have nothing to fear from a Shia-dominated Iraq. It is clear, he concludes, that the American view of the Iranian threat does not match the Arab view.
    And in what must surely be a pure coincidence, Ghassan Cherbel – the editor of the other major Saudi-owned Arab paper al-Hayat – today pens a lengthy featured column exploring Iran’s legitimate security fears and the reasons for its perception of threat. This attempt to understand Iranian perceptions and the role of the US in stoking its fears is, again, a bit off the American message. The Arabs have no interest in a frightened, defensive Iran, writes Cherbel, nor in Iran imposing its hegemony. The Arab interest is in Iran being a normal state with which the Arabs can do business and cooperate without the shadow of fear.
    In the same issue of al-Hayat we can find a lengthy, approving survey of the Egyptian-Iranian rapprochement as well. Mubarak recently called for a peaceful solution of problems with Iran, and seems keen on exploring that relationship despite American entreaties.
    So all told, on Iran issues the GCC and other key Arab states seem to be going right on exploring engagement with Iran despite the American sabre-rattling. Most analysts see Bush leaving empty-handed, with the savvy Egyptian political scientist Mohamed al-Sayid Said writing in the UAE paper al-Ittihad that Bush’s completely fruitless visit to the region will likely go down in history as one of the strangest and most pointless visits to the Middle East of any world leader.”
    …ha,ha..I want to hear more about the neo “intellectuals” and the complex thinking of Wolfie. Opps…there goes Clean Break and PNAC..even a half ass united Arabia means ISR’merica’s dream of Israel as the sole supreme super power in the ME is over.
    And it only took a trillion US dollars and 3,000 dead Americans and half a millon dead Iraqis to prove them wrong.

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  10. Rudy Guliyani says:

    Is this guy running for president of the U.S. or another country?
    http://www.joinrudy2008.com/files/misc/PalmcardJewishRudy.pdf

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  11. MexicanAppleThief says:

    You know that Wolfowitz’s views on nation building are complex? You mean like when he was saying that oil revenues would pay for our invasion?…

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  12. Kathleen says:

    I saw Revoltin Bolton on Jon Stewart’s Daily Show and I wish Bolton had been to dinner at Gitmo… all the goddamned carrots he can eat… it’s the tropics, baby, what more can he want?

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  13. Carroll says:

    Posted by easy e at January 17, 2008 01:59 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Good one.

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  14. easy e says:

    POLITICAL “STICKS”: Revolution – Latin Style.
    Progressive transformation in the U.S. will only occur through Latin-style political battles.
    Time for real progressives to mobilize & retool machinery to wage effective war against neocon apparatus, AEI, etc.
    LEST WE FORGET here in the U.S.:
    • Politics of Fear.
    • Be Afraid.
    • Iraq Invasion.
    • War against Terrorism.
    • They hate us for our ‘Freedom’.
    • Thousands of deaths.
    • Looting the National Museum.
    • Disbanding the Iraqi army.
    • Donald Rumsfeld.
    • Shock and Awe.
    • Paul Bremer.
    • Inciting sectarianism.
    • Abu Ghraib.
    • Thousands of detainees held without charges.
    • Torture.
    • Kill them ‘there’, so they can’t get us ‘here’.
    • Spreading Democracy.
    • Oil.
    • Ghost WMDs.
    • The Niger connection.
    • Exposing CIA agent, Valerie Plame.
    • Halliburton.
    • Blackwater.
    • No-bid contracts.
    • Deadly security contractors and mercenaries.
    • Fallujah.
    • Haditha massacre.
    • Blind support of Israel.
    • Instigating suffering of Gaza.
    • Ignoring the expansion of illegal colonies in West Bank.
    • Defying United Nations resolutions.
    • Securing “a Jewish State”.
    • Allowing Israelis to extend destruction of Lebanon in 2006.
    • Supplying Israel with Bunker Buster bombs to maximize destruction.
    • More War on Terror.
    • “The Crusade”.
    • Clash of civilisations.
    • Where is Osama Bin Laden?
    • Afghanistan.
    • Bagram massacre.
    • Bombing media offices.
    • Guantanamo Bay.
    • Kangaroo courts.
    • Indefinite detention.
    • Presidential orders to ignore Geneva Conventions.
    • “Unlawful enemy combatants”.
    • Illegal National Security Agency wiretapping.
    • Fingerprinting visitors.
    • FISA Law.
    • Black prisons.
    • Rendition.
    • Kidnapping foreign citizens on foreign lands.
    • Khalid Al Masri, Abu Omar, Maher Arar.
    • Central Intelligence Agency, Torture.
    • Waterboarding = ‘Aggressive interrogation techniques’.
    • Destruction of Torture (‘Interrogation’)tapes.
    • Iran tension.
    • Fake Hormuz incident.
    • Isolating Syria.
    • Embracing Syrian opposition, “Iraq style”.
    • Venezuela and The Chavez Coup.
    • Denial of global warming.
    • Rejecting Kyoto Protocol.
    • Marginalisation of the United Nations.
    • John Bolton.
    • Paul Wolfowitz and the World Bank.
    • Karl Rove.
    • Irving “Scooter” Libby.
    • Alberto Gonzales.
    • Firing attorneys.
    • Nepotism.
    • False democracy promises.
    • Katrina.
    • U.S. Constitution.
    • Human Rights.
    • Negative U.S. record surpasses most Third World countries.
    • Crimes against Humanity.
    • War Crimes.
    • Dick Cheney, Dick Cheney and more Dick Cheney.
    • Etc., etc., etc……
    Forget impeachment…..Prosecute>Indict>Convict>Imprison!!!!!

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  15. DonS says:

    I see that the Fed has compliantly agreed to try to goose the economy with some more cheap/free money. God forbid the stock market should take a major hit (it may well anyway).
    Free markets for all, except for the big boys and big corporations, should be the motto.
    Well, add me to the list of those who are skeptical it will work. The trickle down effect of this recession will not be curtailed by folks buying us out of it. Not when all their credit cards are maxed out, in default, and the line of last resort, any home equity that may exist, is also in free fall. No, there’s going to be much more collapse and rot to the underpinning of indiviual’s economic positions, and the economy in general.
    But we can all agree, that the fats cats and insiders will not suffer greatly if at all.
    Give me some of that dreaded European socialism anytime.

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  16. Carroll says:

    I look forward to the American’s people’s last “option on the table”.
    The day when US power has waned even more, when we are finally totally broke,when we can’t even issue paychecks to congress, when China refuses to loan us any more money, when Saudi and the UAE have bought up all our greed ruined, broken down financial vehicles, when the CEO of bankrupt Countrywide has to take his 12 million pension payment to Brazil for his own safety, when the elite and neo’s have to hire Blackwater just to go back and forth to the pundit shows,when the hyphen- exile parasites have to move on to another host to fulfill their dreams of re conquering and ruling their former homeland, when the multi corps move “all” their bizness off shore and don’t need to hire congress and think tanks any longer, when Americans have to ask for some foreign aid instead of sending it abroad on our credit cards, when there isn’t enough jet fuel to fly our politicans to their offices in Israel, when there is nothing left here for the Wolfowitz’s, the Perle’s, the Feiths, the Boltons, the Curveballs to use any longer, when our foreign policy “portfolio” is stamped closed due to insufficent funds.
    Then maybe we can set about having a country once again instead of being an international ATM and bed and breakfast for every crook, criminal politican, crackpot intellectual and cultist in the universe.

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  17. judyo says:

    To “PissedOff” – as one of the little people, I totally concur with all of your points.
    We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

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  18. Carroll says:

    Ayalon needs to take his show on the road across America to every university and church…speaking in the salons of DC isn’t going to do the job soon enough, if ever. When the American public is as familiar with the Israeli apartheid as they were with South Africa’s then you will see some movement.
    “At an annual meeting of the Israeli Finance Ministry’s budget division in the year 2000, Ami Ayalon spoke against the Israeli policy of “separation” from the Palestinians. “Is the option of a Jewish democracy with apartheid acceptable? In my view, it is not. That’s a dilemma we’ve always wanted to delay.” He added that the Palestinians should not be expected to be content living “in a Bantustan”, separated from Israel, as well as from Egypt and Jordan “for security reasons”.[5] He also observed:
    “The things a Palestinian has to endure, simply coming to work in the morning, is a long and continuous nightmare that includes humiliation bordering on despair… We have to decide soon what kind of democracy we want here. The present model integrates apartheid and is not commensurate with Judaism… We will never attain security without an in-depth discussion about this issue.”[6]
    Ayalon’s comments were barely reported in the West. One exception to the rule was the Los Angeles Times which reported Ayalon’s comments as follows:
    “[I]n public remarks… a former head of the Israeli domestic security service blamed government policies for triggering the Palestinian revolt. Ami Ayalon, retired head of the Shin Bet security service, said Israel is guilty of ‘apartheid’ policies that go against the spirit of Judaism. He suggested that the Palestinians were following a logic in choosing violence, and spoke of the profound ‘humiliation’ that Israel inflicts on Palestinian workers and others who seek to enter Israel.”[7]
    “We thought about visiting Hebron because we thought about apartheid. No other place in the occupied territories can better illustrate the brutal essence of the Israeli occupation and the local version of apartheid. In Hebron, a tiny minority of about 400 people cruelly controls a huge majority of 140,000 residents, about 30,000 of whom live under direct Israeli military rule; tens of thousands of Palestinians are subjected to curfews and closures due to a holiday or demonstration or any other whim of the Jewish minority; there are roads for Jews only; stores are burned down and market stalls are overturned; acts of violence occur almost daily; the security forces stationed there do not lift a finger when the violence is perpetrated by the ruling minority, but respond severely when the violence comes from the subjugated majority. A guerrilla war is being waged by the occupied against the occupier; between the two peoples – not to say the two races – surges a deep and violent hatred commingled with fear.”
    Gideon Levy, Correspondent for Ha’aretz
    (‘Like the old days in South Africa’, Viewpoint, 7 June 2001)

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  19. JohnH says:

    George Galloway shows how to take on a neocon:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d0DKbbv0Lg
    Frum ends up saying nothing but ad hominem attacks.
    In contrast, American ‘foreign policy experts’ selected to face neocons typically end up appearing as quivering little toadies.

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  20. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Not that it matters, but we’re still waiting for the first apology. Better yet would be impeachment and war crimes trials.”
    No Don, apparently this astounding criminal enterprise of the last seven years is to be treated as just a “phase”. Obviously, no one is to be held accountable, and nothing is to be repaired.
    The housing slump is the worst in 27 years. I am in the high end portion of it, so the contractor that uses my services exclusively is not yet being hit. Yet. But most of the contractors locally are sweating big time. Some of the mechanical subs I have talked to, plumbers and electricians, old established outfits with good names, are laying off and already crunched financially.
    This one is going to be bad. And it underscores just how tenuous our so called “security” is, and the high cost we, (the citizens), pay for inept governance and leaders that do not represent the interests of their constituency.
    This Administration, aided and facilitated by the mewling cowards now posturing to con their way into the White House, have ignored a downward domestic spiral in order to pursue a disastrous and expensive foreign policy fueled by radical ideologies that have served to bring this nation to its knees.
    And not suprisingly, I honestly believe that insiders such as Steve, blinded by their proximity to power, do not see how close to the brink we really are. And as it worsens for the majority of Americans, the working class that lives from paycheck to paycheck, the response we can expect from Washington, (our politicians, the think tanks, the media, the pundits, and insiders such as Steve), is an endless litany of finger pointing, blame shifting, intellectual rationalizations, and denials of complicity framed in partisan excuses.
    Impeachments and prosecutions are not enough, In truth, we should have hangings. But we will have neither, because those who have brought us to this point are unaffected by their own malfeasance. Their wealth has grown, not diminished. Their power has been for the most part unchallenged, and their malfeasance and criminality has not incurred a cost to them, only to us.
    We will pay the cost. And this one ain’t gonna be cheap.

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  21. DonS says:

    “. . . the heady times in the Bush administration between the 9/11 attacks and the decision to invade Iraq . . .”
    That period in which those of us who cautioned a reasonable, rational, responsible approach to foreign policy, and certainly not to rush to an illegal and ill-conceived “preemptive”, stovepiped war, were scorned, scoffed at, demonized, ridiculed, marginalized, labelled unpatriotic, naive and obviously wrong.
    Words fail to describe the cabal that coalesced around a scheme straight out of hell and took over the apparatus of government and manipulated the national conscience and policy, and still prevails to large extent
    Not that it matters, but we’re still waiting for the first apology. Better yet would be impeachment and war crimes trials.
    This history of shame should not be forgotten nearly so easily as the pundits and the media and politicians seem to. Just shop more and it will all be better, or something like that.

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  22. eCAHNomics says:

    This is just the beginning of the rats eating their own as the American Empire project fails. Get me some popcorn.

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