Anti-Obama Racism in Israel?

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Al Jazeera has just run a provocative but important clip capturing some public attitudes of Israeli Jewish views toward Obama. One of those questioned — an otherwise seemingly reasonable young man said that he would harm the President if he had the chance and others had no problem furthering the fabrication that he is an Arab or that he is a Muslim.
Max Blumenthal, author of Republican Gomorrah: Inside the Movement that Shattered the Party, did a similar experiment earlier this year around the time of Israel’s elections and found plenty of young and inebriated Israelis to publicly say some outrageous things about Barack Obama. Clayton Swisher‘s subjects are not drunk but are offering their comments while sober and during the day.
If one did a similar set of interviews in any number of Arab countries, I think it would be easy to find many who would say pretty awful anti-Semitic things about Israeli Jews, so there is no path to moral superiority on one side of the Arab/Israeli line over the other.
However, there is a question of whether more Jews in Israel — who feel threatened because of what the media has been feeding them or feel threatened by the prospects of Obama seriously pursuing a peace plan — are diverging from American Jewish views or not in their perspective about the President.
This video clip is not scientific and can’t really answer that question — but my own sense of leaders in the American Jewish community, whether from AIPAC leaders or from the American Jewish Committee, is that they would strongly protest the kind of statements that people in the Swisher/Al Jazeera video are making.
What is more disconcerting, however, is the seeming absence of criticism of this kind of threatening and racist commentary by leading Israeli government officials.
Over the last few years, until the healthy national shift represented in the election of the Democratic Party of Japan, I wrote now and then about the growth of a strident, dark, pugnacious nationalism in Japan in which violence — threatened and real — was more and more a part of the tool kit of Japan’s far right nationalists. They intimidated leading elected and civil service officials and their families for expressing what they believed were unacceptable views on China, on the imperial system, or Japan’s past historical deeds. What was disconcerting was the reluctance of both Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi and his successor Prime Minister Abe to criticize this violence and to speak out against Japan’s growing thuggery.
Today, what is more worrisome than the views on the street that Al Jazeera was able to record is the absence of national condemnation of those views.
I remember when former Deputy Spokesman of Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs Gideon Meir once told me that Israel’s diaspora — including AIPAC — often try to help so much that it hurts, that Israel’s view of the world sometimes were different and less dire and certainly more complicated than the diaspora groups could comprehend.
Well, in this case, I think it is the American Jewish community that has a far greater fix on appropriate conduct with regard to Barack Obama than some of the rank and file citizens of Israel. This is a time when listening to the diaspora voices would be important.
And reversing the obvious ignorance of many in Israel about Barack Obama’s faith and background is long overdue.
— Steve Clemons

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30 comments on “Anti-Obama Racism in Israel?

  1. Duncan Hill says:

    So the story is that Zionist Jews are racist against Blacks, Arabs and Muslims…
    In other breaking news, the Pope has been revealed to be Catholic.

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  2. Kathleen Grasso Andersen says:
  3. ... says:

    nadine quote “Do you have any rules of the game here besides “whatever the Palestinians do is justified, and whatever the Israelis do is fascism”?
    i don’t have any rules for talking with an idiot…

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  4. nadine says:

    …regarding those dispossessed in 1948:
    Sure, I am all for a class action suit regarding compensation to those Palestinian Arabs who lost their property in 1948, just so long as all those Jews of the Arab lands are also covered for compensation. There were more Jews with more lost property, but they never even get mentioned.
    In fact, compensation has been offered repeatedly as part of a regional settlement, starting in 1949, and was refused by the Arab states because they would not negotiate any treaty with Israel.

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  5. nadine says:

    “glad you articulated that nadine… does this mean you are interested in supporting the palestinians who were evicted by the ”’new owners” of the land previously, or can you just write that off conveniently as it works out only for those you favour???
    nadine, we aren’t just talking politely of israel discouraging those it is opposed to… we are talking israel throwing people in jail without legal justification, or making it up as they go along… it’s called fascism, not justice…”
    In 1948 Jordan took the land and ethnically cleansed it of Jews, seizing their property. That’s okay with you apparently. So, if that’s okay, would it have been okay for Israel, when it took the West Bank after Jordan attacked Israel in 1967, to have done the same in reverse, i.e. ethnically cleanse the West Bank of Arabs and seize THEIR property? In any case, Israel did NOT do this and left the West Bank Arabs in place and in possession of their property. The Israelis left property disputes to the courts, which are independent in Israel. The losers of the court case were declared non-owners and were evicted.
    It’s not like the situation is unique to Israel. There were property disputes like this all over Europe after WWII, and again after the fall of Communism, as dispossessed property owners sued to recover their property.
    Do you have any rules of the game here besides “whatever the Palestinians do is justified, and whatever the Israelis do is fascism”?

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  6. ... says:

    “given to new owners in 1948, and was the subject of a long, tortuous legal case by the descendant of the original owner to get his property back,”
    glad you articulated that nadine… does this mean you are interested in supporting the palestinians who were evicted by the ”’new owners” of the land previously, or can you just write that off conveniently as it works out only for those you favour???
    nadine, we aren’t just talking politely of israel discouraging those it is opposed to… we are talking israel throwing people in jail without legal justification, or making it up as they go along… it’s called fascism, not justice…

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  7. nadine says:

    “nadine, lets talk of those families in east jerusalem that were thrown out of their homes just a few short weeks ago”
    Sure, you mean Shepherd’s Hotel? Let’s see…this building was bought by Jewish owners in the 19th century, seized by Jordan and given to new owners in 1948, and was the subject of a long, tortuous legal case by the descendant of the original owner to get his property back, which he then sold to a developer, who dispossessed the squatters. Only the last part of this history is usually mentioned, but that is the whole of it. What about it? The Israeli courts adjudicated it. You have a better method for resolving property disputes than an independent judiciary?
    Israel allows plenty of human rights monitoring. The Red Cross/Crescent has access to prisoners, for example (which is more than they have to Gilad Shalit). But Israel is getting very sick of pro-Palestinian activists coming from Europe, especially when they are being astroturfed by their governments, as has been discovered more than once. Esp. since some of them came as “human rights monitors” and stayed as terrorists; several who came with ISM became suicide bombers during the last intifada. It’s no wonder Israel is trying to discourage them. Israel has more human rights monitors per capita than anywhere else; it’s so much safer than trying it in Lebanon or Syria, for example.

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  8. ... says:

    nadine, lets talk of those families in east jerusalem that were thrown out of their homes just a few short weeks ago…. lets talk about your direct responsibility for supporting these acts and skip the diatribe about previous generations, or are you capable of that?
    i doubt you will acknowledge your responsibility in any of this, as you get very enraged when it’s pointed out to you – a sign that might help you gain some insight into a deeper part of yourself… i think you will pass on this window of opportunity into some insight on your character as well..
    here’s something else to be offended by..
    Mohammad Othman is a human rights activist who was detained by Israelis when he came in from Jordan earlier this week after a visit to Norway where he had pushed for boycott. His arrest is evidently part of a new pattern of Israel cracking down on the very idea of human-rights monitoring.
    Mohammad is involved with Stop the Wall, the grassroots anti-Apartheid Wall campaign and War on Want partner organisation, and has dedicated the last 10 years of his life to the defence of Palestinian human rights. His village, Jayyous, in the occupied West Bank, has lost most of its fertile agricultural land to Israel’s illegal Wall and settlements.
    It is believed that Othman is the first Palestinian to be imprisoned by Israel in response to BDS advocacy activity.
    Mohammad’s ability to talk passionately about the effects of Israel’s illegal Occupation, combined with his warmth and good humour, has made him a popular activist in Palestine and with internationals alike.
    http://www.petitiononline.com/stopwall/petition.html
    israel is making a laughing stock of itself with actions such as this and it is only the tip of the surface… digging deeper one can see the angst and pain that masks itself with tough fascist behavior coming out of present day israel…

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  9. nadine says:

    Hi Israeli expat,
    Thanks for the comments. Nobody should be surprised that the most racist possible interviews from Jerusalem were obtained. It’s all in support of the leftist narrative, where the most extreme right wing Jews (they love the religious/nationalist settlers) are contrasted against the most moderate (but powerless) Palestinians to send the message that it’s all Israel’s fault there is no peace.
    You see it on this blog where they try to make out that not only is Abu Mazen is a moderate, Hamas is moderating too and ready to accept Israel. Naturally, in order to support this narrative they have to ignore Palestinian polls and politics. You won’t find a single mention of the Fatah general convention on this thread, nor a discussion of what PA policy will be when Mohamed Ghaneim takes over. That would only undercut the narrative.

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  10. nadine says:

    …, but you want the descendants of Jews who survived Auschwitz or were thrown out of Baghdad to give up their homes in Tel Aviv. So you want Israelis to be responsible for their great grandfathers’ acts, just as I’m asking Brigid. But not Arabs nor anybody else. Just Israelis.

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  11. Israeli Expat says:

    I’m not sure if I’ll get through all the madness in these comments
    but several things:
    1. Israel DOES have a huge problem with racism. No doubt about it.
    I experienced it first hand growing up with a non-Jewish father.
    And it definitely comes up when Obama is concerned.
    2. Israel has no concept of political correctness whatsoever. It’s
    just not part of the culture. So if someone is racist – you’ll know it.
    3. This journalist went to the heart of right-wing nuttery –
    Jerusalem – to interview people. The people he talked to probably
    represent Likud and further right.

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  12. ... says:

    brigid
    thanks for articulating all that! people like nadine would like you to be held accountable for any possible actions of your great grandparents but are unwilling to be held accountable for their own direct actions happening in the PRESENT~!… the fact you are drawing attention to this drives these same folks batty, although it could be argued they are already their and have been for quite some time… this is the insanity coming from these same folks where no amount of the obvious is ever enough for them to have any kind of awakening or acknowledgment of their present crimes and misdeeds…

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  13. questions says:

    Nadine, darling,
    My response to … was that the US has its own way of policing intermarriage. So your response is still out in lala land somewhere. In fact, I was noting how completely common it is to make sure that daughters remain pure, and I noted that it shows up in Shakespeare a lot. Daughters marry without fatherly permission with varying results. Juliet died. Desdemona died. Hmmm. Emilia died too, and we can assume that marriage was okayed.
    And what is the deal with the window glass image. I’m missing something somewhere…..

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  14. Outraged American says:

    Hesus Christos, just realized Yummy Kippers, the Jewish Day of
    Atonement, is on Monday. Need to nail a mezzuzah on the side
    of the door, next to the crucifix and an upside down picture of
    Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam.
    And get out my well worn copy of the Talmud to make sure I
    have Kol Nidre down right, because this year I have a lot to atone
    for including being mean to Wig and Nadine, and their
    grandchildren, the TWN interns.
    And accusing easy e of sexual molestation, and Steve of being a
    male prostitute, and threatening to whack-off POA’s special
    part, and telling Questions the truth, that she really is a 47-
    year-old virgin, always hard to hear, and accusing Paul of having
    a beard in his lice.
    And threatening to bomb Canuckistan. And telling … that he
    needs to get a new keyboard — my worse transgression this
    whole year — no one wants to hear that their keyboard has
    gone south, although Mexicans can’t fix nothing.
    Here’s the text of Kol Nidre, the first prayer of Yom Kippur, the
    Jewish Day of Atonement.
    Wish they had this in the Catholic church, but if they had I would
    have been knocked-up at 13 and the richest Wall St. trader at
    28.
    “All personal vows we are likely to make, all personal oaths and
    pledges we are likely to take between this Yom Kippur and the
    next Yom Kippur, we publicly renounce.
    Let them all be relinquished and abandoned, null and void,
    neither firm nor established.
    Let our personal vows, pledges and oaths be considered neither
    vows nor pledges nor oaths.”[4][5]
    The leader and the congregation then say together three times
    “May all the people of Israel be forgiven, including all the
    strangers who live in their midst, for all the people are in fault.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kol_Nidre

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  15. nadine says:

    brigid,
    Do you live in the United States? When can we expect you to give your house back to a Native American. Don’t tell me you a such a hypocrite as to keep your house on land obtained by colonists!

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  16. nadine says:

    questions, who brought up killing daughters? I did, because that what the window glass people, aka the Palestinians, do to discourage their daughters from dating Jews. It provides some – what’s the word – context to Israeli attitudes. You don’t see American Jews react the same way when their daughters date Christians, even though they may be dismayed, because the cultural and attitudinal gulf is not the same. The Jewish wives of Christians are not going to wind up being beaten or killed for honor at anything like the same statistics.
    I know this is a fun parlor game – “hey, let’s bash the Israelis for being warlike Mideasteners some more, it’s their duty to behave like the Swiss,” while censoring any information that would remind people that they do live in the dangerous neighborhood called the Middle East. And never a mention how the neighbors measure up to the standard by which you hold the Israelis!
    I protest the double standard. I think all women should have human rights to have a say in choosing their own husband, and not to be murdered. That’s what I say. What do you say?
    The template for this is old as the hills:
    “Jews steal”
    “But other people steal too”
    “Ah, but we are talking about the Jews”

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  17. brigid says:

    The mind of colonization and theft of the land of others requires the dehumanization of others. Exhibit A is the Christian Zionist Huckabee who goes to Israel and makes his statement of support for ethnic cleansing. This, by the right winger who worships property rights at home. In Palestine/Israel only human beings have property rights, and Arabs, (and those of African origin) by inference are not human beings.
    In the colonization of the United States, the same logic was used. The native people were not human, and hence could be killed or rounded up with impunity. There is an entire tribe in Southern Oregon (Rogue Indians) who have ceased to exist because the gold and land seeking settlers used them for Sunday target practice, men, women, and children.
    For some Israelis, (not all, not even the majority, I believe), those who make any defense of the Arab, as Obama has done, by association become connected with the sub-human, and they become a target of hatred and murder. The fact that he is a person of color and has a name of Arabic origin makes it all the easier.

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  18. ... says:

    that article was also provocative.. from my pov that is just the sort of thing that encourages racism which is the same dynamic coming from some of those interviewed in the street… it only makes sense when you live in a racist country.. it doesn’t have much of anything to do with ‘freedom” especially with regard to women, or men for that matter who support it..

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  19. Outraged American says:

    It’s a real pain in the breast.
    Read that article about Christian Zionists. We have seen the enemy
    and it is…well, beyond them, the military/ terrorism/ prison
    industrial complexes, Uigers, shuttle drivers in Colorado who own
    scales, Steve…

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  20. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Let’s put it this way POA, I’m kind of top-heavy”
    Thats too bad, I feel for you.

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  21. Outraged American says:

    One needs to understand the power of Christian Zionism in the
    US too. They are the GOP voter base and estimates range that
    they make up anywhere from 20-40% of people in the US who
    bother to vote.
    There’s a man at a university in Ohio who studies this and we
    had him on a few times. I’m too lazy to look it up. Oh hell, I’ll
    just do it.
    John C. Green at the University of Akron in Ohio.
    He didn’t write this article on Christian Zionism, but its very well
    sourced and a MUST READ if you want to understand how
    Zionism affects US foreign policy in truly self-destructive ways
    to both countries:
    The Alliance between Israel and the New Evangelicals
    http://tinyurl.com/yevo2bd
    You also don’t understand the influence of Zionism on US media.
    My rule of thumb or rather penis size, is when you go to another
    country watch TV news. Then one gets a much better idea of
    their propaganda versus yours.
    CNN international, is, or used to be, entirely different than our
    domestic CNN. Honestly, I once saw Paula Zahn interview
    Netanyahu and it looked like foreplay in a porn flick.
    Even when I was in Canuckistan in 2004 (my husband had to go
    back to his homeland to recharge his aura) I was amazed at how
    much better and fairer Canadian media covered the upcoming
    US elections.
    In the US we don’t see dead bodies of children our UsRael
    bombs have slaughtered. Pictures of one dying marine just
    sparked yet another round of national insanity. On our show,
    we showed as much as we could get of Iraq, Gaza, Afghanistan,
    including pictures of dead kids. People need to see the results
    of their actions, or in Americans’ case, inaction.
    As I’ve said before, in the run-up to our second invasion of Iraq
    I was shocked and horrified by the “kill them all and let God sort
    them out” attitude of my OLD friends. People I’d known since I
    was a child, and my “Catholic” family. Even the priest at the
    church I’d attended as a child encouraged the “Give ’em Hell
    Georgie” attitude.
    And I told every single one of the people I knew, “Go outside and
    shoot your neighbor’s kid in the head, because that’s what we’re
    about to do.”
    I lost, permanently, about 70% of my friends, who still won’t
    admit that we did anything wrong, because that would admit
    they slaughtered more than a million people for no reason
    beyond their own rah-rah nationalism and refusal to think
    critically.
    POA the perv “I mean egads, whats that say about her bra size?”
    Let’s put it this way POA, I’m kind of top-heavy. It’s all that
    brain matter.
    When Easy e wasn’t staring at the waiters’ butts he was
    entranced by my enormous, um, …forehead. Because that’s what
    men seek out in a woman — the ability to yammer on about the
    Padilla case, or forced fingerprinting in school lunch programs,
    or…what’s that last thing I’m always yammering on about?
    I did see a moving van parked across the street with a bunch of
    guys wearing yarmulkes dancing on top of it.

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  22. DonS says:

    “What in heaven’s name brought up killing daughters in this context??”
    It’s called distraction, changing the subject, selective comparison. It is touching, though, that Nadine is so concerned about young Muslim women while otherwise implying Palestinians as barely human; certainly not the equivalent of a Jewish life.
    From the upthread link: “According to its website, the organisation receives more than 100 calls a month about Jewish women living with Arab men, both in Israel and the West Bank. It launches “military-like rescues [of the women] from hostile Arab villages” in co-ordination with the police and army.” Sounds like violence or the threat of violence to me. And the Jewish youths who rampage through Palestinian areas reminiscent of ‘wilding’ occurrences? What are we to make of that. No, I think when it comes to person on person violence, better for Israelis not to push the comparison.
    But to the point of Israeli attitudes toward Obama, the reports are that he is in the low single digits. That’s more than political disagreement. That’s on a scale of loathing the man. Now what could account for that beside as significant percentage being racist?
    Many American Jews have had a confused relationship with Israel, some stemming from being guilt-tripped into think they are lesser for being in the diaspora. That’s a big part of the failure to think clearly about Israeli human right’s violations, or to speak clearly.
    Many American Jews, certainly in my acquaintance, can attest that an American Jew is a very different animal from an Israeli. Unfortunately, American Jews have difficulty reconciling this perception, and wind up deferring to assumed religious and ethnic heritage, even if it results stances or silences at variance with common sense.

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  23. questions says:

    Oops, Israelis’ sending — possessive with the gerund. Sorry.

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  24. questions says:

    Nadine, dear,
    What the hell does that comment have to do with Israelis sending psychologists to Jewish girls’ homes to remind them that dating Arabs is a bad idea?
    Did you read the link I was responding to? It’s about how Jewish people in Israel discourage interracial dating. No killing involved. Your active imagination overstretches your grasp of facts on this one. Really.
    In the US, we use housing patterns, family pushes, shame, college placement, private schools, and a wide range of class markers (language, dress, car, house, furniture styles, food preferences…) to keep people in line on the racial purity thing. It’s not 100% effective because daughters have minds of their own! Read just about any Shakespeare play to see how age-old the daughter/marriage/love/lust/independence theme is.
    What in heaven’s name brought up killing daughters in this context??
    I think on kos, this kind of thing is regarded as “jumping the shark.”

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  25. nadine says:

    And if, …, you think there aren’t “plans” in the US (or Canada?) to keep daughters from dating “others” re-think housing and schooling patterns, white flight, “members only” groups and the like. Fact is, keeping daughters “pure” seems to be a huge percentage of the reason we are such a crazed species.
    questions, do you seriously see no difference between housing and schooling patterns and murdering women who step out of line? If so you have stepped through the looking glass for good and all. You have certainly stopped caring about the human rights of the murdered women.
    I’ve noticed that the left speaks less and less of combating sexism in recent years. Only women who are ideologically sound are deemed worthy of protection these days (talk about maintaining purity). Women who are ideologically inconvenient, which includes a long list of Muslim liberals, honor killing casualties, Republicans like Sarah Palin or Carrie Prejean, and even Hillary Clinton when she got in the way of The One, are now fair game for any kind of sexist slur.

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  26. questions says:

    Aside from the style of music on the streets (not so many fiddlers around here), this video could have been filmed just about anywhere in the US, and possibly even in the world. Lots of racism everywhere, lots of crazies, lots of CTs…. Waht is the percentage of USAMERICANS who think Obama is Muslim-y? (or muslin, I guess, since that comes up sometimes, too)
    And if, …, you think there aren’t “plans” in the US (or Canada?) to keep daughters from dating “others” re-think housing and schooling patterns, white flight, “members only” groups and the like. Fact is, keeping daughters “pure” seems to be a huge percentage of the reason we are such a crazed species.
    So when we figure out how to deal with our own truthers and birthers and racialites and “Obama is a socialistfacistcommunistracist” people, then maybe we can fix the rest of the world.
    Fact remains, though, Israel is nutty. I wish us well in dealing with the nuttiness phase.

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  27. nadine says:

    Sure POS, keep telling yourself that the only possible reason anybody could have for opposing far-left appeasement is racism. As Jimmy Carter has told us, that goes for opposition to Obamacare too. Nobody other reason could apply. Guess Bill Clinton WAS America’s first black president then, because he also got some opposition as I remember.
    Nobody in Israel is frightened by the US pursuing the peace process. Everybody knows the peace process isn’t going anywhere right now, Israelis and Palestinians both. Only Obama is too naive to know it.
    Hey, …, how many Palestinian girls date Israeli Jews without becoming honor killing statistics? The big difference is the cultural one where the Jews who are unhappy say “we have no right to stop them” and the Arabs who are unhappy say “they have brought shame on their families and we have the right to kill them.” Before you launch into your usual accusations, go find some examples of Arab girls married to Jewish men.
    The double standard is simply breathtaking. The Arabs teach their population that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are fact, in which the Jews murder and control the world, and force feed them the Palestinian cause propaganda. So what does the TWN focus on? Ooh, some Israelis think Obama is Muslim because his middle name is Hussein!

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  28. DonS says:

    There is no question that this portrait of Israeli attitude towards Obama is shockingly accurate. In the Israeli eye he has two strikes against him to start: some vague Muslim association; and some African blood.
    The sense that American Jews have a much more inclusive attitude is perhaps also accurate, but not without caveat. The picture is complicated because American Jews have in many ways been at the very forefront of progressive movements. The rhyme “when she was good she was very good . . ., etc.” comes to mind. We can perhaps ascribe this avant aspect to education applied to a proper understanding of centuries of persecution.
    But the suspicion and denigration of “the other”, as in the video, persists amongst Jews, just as well as amongst other ethnicities, including in the US. It is idealistic to think otherwise.
    To my mind, if US Jews had really outgrown the prejudice that is so evident in the video they would be far more courageous in speaking out on Is/Pal, having resolved the conflict of tribe over humanity more successfully than is apparent. Acceptance of “the other”, it seems to me, implies acceptance of ALL others. I realize I am generalizing, but I fail to hear unified Jewish voice about human rights in Is/Pal commensurate with ethnic Jewish involvment via Israel as prime actor.
    American Jews may be no better and no worse than other enthnicities when it comes to prejudice. Conventional wisdom says they are better. I don’t know. I would like to see it proved out in the arena where Jewish identity, fairly or not, is most highlighted in our era, as describe above.

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  29. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Oh, this rabid racist rhetoric is not confined to Israel, Steve. Just read Nadine’s posting. Granted, she hasn’t attascked Obama’s race yet, but give her time, she’ll undoubtedly get around to it. Unless, of course, he follows Israel’s lead, and starts dumping white phosphorous and smart bombs on muslim women and children.
    BTW, congratulate Ben about his moderation on the Taylor thread. He has set the benchmark on inexplicably insane blog moderation. You should get all the office staff together and throw a little party for him, give him some sort of a prize. May I suggest a plastic straw and some notebook paper?? Surely he still knows how to shoot spitwads? He can bring up a thread on his monitor, stand back ten paces, and shoot a spitwad at the monitor. He can then reprimand whatever commenter was fortunate enough to have had their comment hit by his indiscriminately delivered projectile.

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  30. ... says:

    steve, thanks for posting this… yes it’s provocative.. something else i read that i also find really provocative is an article on young women in israel..
    Israeli drive to prevent Jewish girls dating Arabs
    http://www.jkcook.net/Articles3/0426.htm
    that would seem to be a bizarre thing to do, but apparently it is happening.. not sure about the idea of ‘freedom’ for women that is so strongly talked about with regard to other middle eastern countries, but this doesn’t look like that to me either…

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