JOHN BOLTON CONFIRMATION IS DEAD

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Several well-placed sources close to the Bolton nomination process have reported to me that the Bolton confirmation process is now dead.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is “highly unlikely” to reconsider Bolton’s confirmation again as things now stand.
One insider reported, as far as the Committee is concerned, “we consider the confirmation over. It’s dead.”
American diplomacy may get a boost in January. She’s tough and not a darling of many progressives, but my vote for Bush’s next nominee to serve as US Ambassador to the United Nations is Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs Paula Dobriansky.

Senator Lincoln Chafee
gets this week’s ‘Conservative with a Conscience’ Award for his principled stand on the importance of America’s Middle East diplomacy and for making the Bolton confirmation process an appropriate vehicle to express his concerns.
— Steve Clemons

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  2. tower defense says:

    In fact, the majority have supported a pull out of most of the settlements for a long time…and have put their votes where their mouths are. Kadima was voted in on a platform of pulling out of Gaza and the West Bank. So, in that sense, they aren’t excusing it. But Israeli politics, like American politics, and maybe politics everywhere there is any kind of “hot spot” are easily swayed by security fears.

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  4. Pat Carder says:

    Steve, Your talk was excellent last night! Thanks for coming to B’ham. Pat Carder

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  5. Pissed Off American says:

    My apologies, MP. It was JR that made the comment.

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  6. MP says:

    “This one’s for MP, who wants to bandy this ridiculous figure of 1500 dead Lebanese as the cost of Israel bombing Lebanon into the dark ages……..”
    Sorry, but I don’t recall ever saying anything about 1500 dead. You must be thinking about a different MP.

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  7. Pissed Off American says:

    GENOCIDE

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  8. Pissed Off American says:

    AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
    Public Statement
    AI Index: MDE 18/008/2006 (Public)
    News Service No: 233
    8 September 2006
    Lebanon: Grinding impact of maritime blockade on civilians
    Amnesty International hopes that Israel’s lifting of its air blockade of Lebanon yesterday will lead to an improvement in the human rights situation as Lebanon struggles to recover from the devastating effects of the war. However, the organisation is concerned that the civilian population of Lebanon continues to be affected by Israel’s ongoing maritime blockade.
    The blockade, which Israel states is aimed at preventing the re-arming of Hizbullah and the transport out of Lebanon of two captured Israeli soldiers, has continued to hamper reconstruction and recovery efforts. Thousands of shipping containers have had to be re-directed to other ports in the eastern Mediterranean, or remain at sea, drastically increasing transport costs and delaying the economic and social recovery of the country. Economic activity was already severely impacted by the war and Israeli bombings, much of which targeted civilian infrastructure including a number of large businesses, and certain sectors are completely devastated. Amnesty International delegates have met with a range of individuals in Lebanon including representatives of the fishing, construction, agricultural and medical sectors which remain affected by the sea blockade.
    While blockades are not prohibited per se by international humanitarian law, they must never prevent foodstuffs and other essential supplies from reaching the civilian population. The manner in which they are imposed should also minimize the adverse impact on the civilian population. Israel’s maritime blockade has meant that sufficient medical supplies and other vital equipment and goods have not been able to reach Lebanon.
    Among more vulnerable sectors of the civilian population who have suffered most through more than eight weeks of blockade are the country’s fishermen. Unable to fish since the start of the conflict the boats of some 8,000 fishermen remain idle and many of the men and their families have become destitute. In addition, in an Israeli air-force attack of early August that was a possible war crime, the fishermen’s port at al-Waza’i near Beirut was destroyed including 400 fishing boats and various workshops and offices. Even when the lifting of the maritime blockade occurs, the fishermen and their families will continue to be affected by the huge oil spill caused by the Israeli bombing in mid-July of the coastal Jiyye power station. The slick from some 10-15,000 tons of fuel oil presents a long-term threat to marine life of the region and to the people whose livelihoods depend on it.
    continues at…..
    http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=ENGMDE180082006

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  9. Pissed Off American says:

    This one’s for MP, who wants to bandy this ridiculous figure of 1500 dead Lebanese as the cost of Israel bombing Lebanon into the dark ages……..
    Poisonous clouds of pollution spread after Israel air strike
    Lebanese minister says damage was deliberate, causing ‘an even bigger disaster than the war itself’
    By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
    Published: 10 September 2006
    More people will die as a result of pollution unleashed by Israel’s bombing of the Lebanon than perished in the month-long war itself, the Lebanese government believes.
    Yacoub Sarraf, its Environment Minister, speaking exclusively to The Independent on Sunday, said last week that a highly poisonous cloud spread over a third of the country – an area that is home to half its people – from a fire in a bombed fuel tank that burned for 12 days.
    The same bombing released about four million gallons of oil into the sea, in the largest ever spill in the eastern Mediterranean. He insists that the environmental damage was “deliberately” caused. Experts say that, if this was so, it would constitute a war crime, in breach of both the Geneva Convention and the statute of the International Criminal Court. Israel retorts that any such suggestion is “very ridiculous”.
    The damage began on 13 July, when Israeli rockets hit a fuel storage tank at the Jiyyeh power station 18 miles south of Beirut. The government managed to repair the damage and prevent an oil spill. But two days later, he continued, the rockets returned, not merely hitting the same tank again – just 25 metres from the sea – but fatally damaging its protective burm, a concrete and earth barrier designed to stop any oil spilling from the tank from reaching the Mediterranean.
    “It was definitely deliberate.,” he said. “They did not hit the power station, just the fuel storage, and this was the tank that was closest to the sea.”
    He expects the greatest “catastrophe” from the toxic cloud that was blown by the prevailing wind over Beirut and one-third of the country. Tests have shown, he says, that it contains high levels of poisonous lead and mercury, and highly dangerous PCBs.
    “Not only have we been breathing this for a month, but all the agricultural produce has been subjected to it. Even worse, all these poisons will come down with the rain, and some will seep through the soil and give us a polluted water table.
    “Then in a couple of years every single citizen in Lebanon will definitely be subjected to poisonous matter in his drinking water.” He expected more Lebanese to die from the pollution than the 1,300, overwhelmingly civilians, killed in the war. He added that studies have shown there would be decreased fertility and higher rates of cancer. “This is a bigger disaster even than the war itself,” Mr Sarraf said.
    A spokesman for the Israeli government said: “We deny the minister’s accusations. They seem to be very ridiculous.
    “We never deliberately targeted any civilian capacity or place, we only targeted places or facilities relevant to Hizbollah.”
    More people will die as a result of pollution unleashed by Israel’s bombing of the Lebanon than perished in the month-long war itself, the Lebanese government believes.
    Yacoub Sarraf, its Environment Minister, speaking exclusively to The Independent on Sunday, said last week that a highly poisonous cloud spread over a third of the country – an area that is home to half its people – from a fire in a bombed fuel tank that burned for 12 days.
    continues at……
    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1433338.ece

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  10. MP says:

    “Doesn’t matter MP if the majority is excusing the minority…as in, if you are considering yourself in the majority and don’t appprove why are you excusing it? It’s the “excuses” MP ..
    Posted by Carroll at September 9, 2006 12:46 PM
    But, in fact, the majority have supported a pull out of most of the settlements for a long time…and have put their votes where their mouths are. Kadima was voted in on a platform of pulling out of Gaza and the West Bank. So, in that sense, they aren’t excusing it. But Israeli politics, like American politics, and maybe politics everywhere there is any kind of “hot spot” are easily swayed by security fears.

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  11. Linda says:

    Kervick,
    Have to agree with you as I am concerned that Paula Dobriansky could be just like Condi Rice, Karen Hughes, and Elain Chao. They all can be charming, articulate,etc. but they are wrong on policy.

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  12. MP says:

    “Absolutely. We could not have gotten here without the degradation of American societal values that has allowed our government to become corrupt and self serving. And the apathy, ignorance about events and policies, and disengagement we see around us in our supermarkets and neighborhoods is the root enabler of a government run amok. If we were any differnt than our leaders we would be on the streets, en masse, screaming for their indictment.”
    I don’t necessarily disagree with this as far as it goes. But the truth is that Americans have ALWAYS been apathetic, except for a few instances, say, WWII and maybe the Depression, when everyone pitched in. Those who marched against Viet Nam were a small, though vocal, and much publicized, minority.
    In some ways, Americans are much less apathetic than they’ve been in recent times. Though they may not be charged up to support the causes you and I would support. I would say that it’s less apathy and more susceptibility to being manipulated by fear–fear fueled by ignorance. As you said a while back, foreign policy as BOO.

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  13. Dan Kervick says:

    Steve said:
    **Dan — Paula Dobriansky is an acquaintance of mine, just like John Bolton. I have sparred with her over small things in the past — but my knowing her has nothing at all to do with my proposal that she succeed Bolton.**
    Fair enough Steve. But then I don’t know why on earth you would be promoting her, since her politics and global agenda do not seem markedly different than those of John Bolton. She may be more charismatic and enthusiastic than Bolton, with lots of infectious idealism and diplomatic charm as opposed to Bolton’s crabby and offensive belligerance. But all of that idealism and charm are going to be put to use in pursuing the very same agenda that Bolton has pursued.
    Bolton may have been inclined to threaten and browbeat the Security Council into tolerating a bombing of Iran; while Dobriansky may seek to win them over with inspiring rhetoric about the global democracy wave and the need for a Magenta Revolution in Tehran, or some such such stuff.
    But the bombs will fall either way.

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  14. Carroll says:

    “There’s a lot more to Israel than what this minority does.”
    >>>>>>>>>>
    Doesn’t matter MP if the majority is excusing the minority…as in, if you are considering yourself in the majority and don’t appprove why are you excusing it?
    It’s the “excuses” MP ..

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  16. JollyRoger says:

    Snidely Whiplash won’t get confirmed, and the Chimperor’s handlers almost certainly knew this.
    It’ll make a good rallying cry for getting the wingnuts out come November.

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  17. Pissed Off American says:

    “Do he and his supporters pretty much sum up American culture?”
    Absolutely. We could not have gotten here without the degradation of American societal values that has allowed our government to become corrupt and self serving. And the apathy, ignorance about events and policies, and disengagement we see around us in our supermarkets and neighborhoods is the root enabler of a government run amok. If we were any differnt than our leaders we would be on the streets, en masse, screaming for their indictment.
    Like I said before, they only sell us that that we’ll buy.

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  18. Steve Clemons says:

    Dan — Paula Dobriansky is an acquaintance of mine, just like John Bolton. I have sparred with her over small things in the past — but my knowing her has nothing at all to do with my proposal that she succeed Bolton.
    Thanks, Steve

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  19. MP says:

    “You know that is just the kind of “excusing” that most normal people find shocking…but that has come to be the typical response from Israelis.”
    But, Carroll, I wasn’t doing any sort of ‘excusing.’ I was making a point based on the genocide conventions you quoted for us. I would also disagree that the settlers’ mentality and methods “pretty much sums up the Jewish state’s ‘culture.’ There’s a lot more to Israel than what this minority does.
    Would you be willing to say that the Native American holocaust pretty much sums up American culture? Slavery? Lynching? Segregation? Nagasaki? Or, more recently, George W Bush? Do he and his supporters pretty much sum up American culture? They are in power–but do they “sum it up?” A lot of people support him–but does that mean that they sum it up?

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  20. Carroll says:

    Anyone come up with a better description for this than Nazis yet? POA’s “monsters” doesn’t seem harsh enough..too Halloweenie…I think we should continue calling this what it is.. genocide. Repeat after me..Israel is committing genocide…stamped with the US seal of approval…and of course unlimited check writting privilages on the taxpayers account. So when our children ask “what did you do during the genocide Daddy?”, we can tell them we did nothing except finance it.
    http://news.independent.co.uk/world
    /middle_east/article1431114.ece
    Palestinians forced to scavenge for food on rubbish dumps
    Published: 09 September 2006
    The Israeli military and economic siege of Gaza has led to a collapse in Palestinian living conditions and many people only survive by looking for scraps of food in rubbish dumps, say international aid agencies.
    “The pressure and tactics have not resulted in a desire for compromise,” Karen Abuzayd, the head of the UN Relief and Works Agency is said to have warned. “But rather they have created mass despair, anger and a sense of hopelessness and abandonment.”
    Israel closed the entry and exit points into the Gaza Strip, home to 1.5 million Palestinians, on 25 June and has conducted frequent raids and bombings that have killed 262 people and wounded 1,200. The crisis in Gaza has been largely ignored by the rest of the world, which has been absorbed by the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon.
    “Women in Gaza tell me they are eating only one meal a day, bread with tomatoes or cheap vegetables,” said Kirstie Campbell of the UN’s World Food Programme, which is feeding 235,000 people. She added that in June, since when the crisis has worsened, some 70 per cent of people in Gaza could not meet their family’s food needs. “People are raiding garbage dumps,” she said.
    Not only do Palestinians in Gaza get little to eat but what food they have is eaten cold because of the lack of electricity and money to pay for fuel. The Gaza power plant was destroyed by an Israeli air strike in June. In one month alone 4 per cent of Gaza’s agricultural land was destroyed by Israeli bulldozers.
    The total closure imposed by Israel, supplemented by deadly raids, has led to the collapse of the Gazan economy. The 35,000 fishermen cannot fish because Israeli gunboats will fire on them if they go more than a few hundred yards from the shore. At the same time the international boycott of the Hamas government means that there is no foreign aid to pay Palestinian government employees. The government used to have a monthly budget of $180-200m, half of which went to pay 165,000 public sector workers. But it now has only $25m a month.
    Aid agencies are frustrated by their inability to persuade the world that the humanitarian crisis is far worse in Gaza than it is in Lebanon. The WFP says: “In contrast to Lebanon, where humanitarian food aid needs have been essentially met, the growing number of poor in Gaza are living on the bare minimum.”
    It is possible for foreign journalists to visit Gaza but it is a laborious process passing through the main Israeli checkpoint at Erez and then walking down a long concrete tunnel. The kidnapping of two Fox television employees by criminals – though they were later released – has also dissuaded several TV companies from covering the crisis.
    The total closure imposed by Israel dates from the seizure of Cpl Gilad Shalit by Palestinian militants on 25 June. Between then and the end of August, Israeli security forces killed 226 Palestinians, 54 of them minors, in the Gaza Strip, according to the Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem. Of these it says that 114 were taking no part in any hostilities.
    The quickest way to alleviate the crisis would be for Israel to allow the Rafah crossing into Egypt to reopen, according to the mayor of Gaza City. But any restoration of the economy would require the reopening of the other crossing points at Erez and Karni.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5326378.stm
    UN warns of Gaza ‘breaking point’
    More that 220 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since the end of June
    Living conditions for Palestinians in Gaza have reached breaking point, a senior UN official has said.
    The warning came from Karen Abuzayd, head of the UN Relief and Works Agency.
    She said Israeli military action in Gaza over recent weeks was creating suffering and mass despair, rather than any desire for political compromise.
    Israel keeps Gaza’s borders largely sealed and conducts regular military operations, prompted in part by the capture of an Israeli soldier.
    The pressures and tactics have not resulted in a desire for compromise… but rather have created mass despair, anger and a sense of hopelessness and abandonment
    Ms Abuzayd said that Gaza was becoming increasingly isolated by financial sanctions, the Israeli siege of the territory and daily targeted killings.
    “It would be great to have an international presence, civilian, military, whatever,” she said, adding that an international force of peacekeepers could offer Gaza’s 1.5m people some protection.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/760450.html
    Last update – 10:31 08/09/2006
    Israel continues banning Gazans from studying in West Bank
    By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent
    The defense establishment said on Thursday it would continue banning Palestinian students from the Gaza Strip from studying in the West Bank.
    Hundreds of Palestinian students whom Israel has prevented from continuing studies in West Bank universities for the past six years have recently petitioned the High Court of Justice to instruct the state to allow them to complete their studies.
    The petition was supported by Israeli professors, who protested the infringement on the students’ freedom to study.

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  21. Carroll says:

    “But an individual criminal may be guilty of genocide even if he kills only one person, so long as he knew he was participating in a larger plan to destroy the group.”
    I would think, then, that suicide bombers and certainly Hezbollah rockets qualify for this definition of genocide, because both H and H have stated their intent to destroy the Israeli state and its inhabitants. I guess, since Iran and Syria, provides Hezbollah with their rockets, they are complicit, too.
    Posted by MP at September 8, 2006 06:52 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You know that is just the kind of “excusing” that most normal people find shocking…but that has come to be the typical response from Israelis.
    But I will play…let’s start here:
    Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949
    “”The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”
    Because that is what a court would look at in determing ” motives” and “intent” of the two parties.
    And there are 425,000 Jewish settlers living in the West Bank today, including East Jerusalem.
    And these settlements have already been declared ILLEGAL under international law. So we have one party blowing up people to get their land “back’ and we have another party party killng people to “steal” their land.
    And this pretty much sums up the Jewish state’s “culture”:
    “”Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.”
    Ariel Sharon, 15 November 1998
    And this pretty much sums up the world’s opinion:
    “I am a black South African, and if I were to change the names, a description of what is happening in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank could describe events in South Africa.”
    Archbishop Desmond Tutu, during Christmas visit to Jerusalem, December 25, 1989
    Now let’s even pretend that they aren’t killing and collectively punishing and causing deprivation on residents of the land they are occupying…that still makes them parasites and land theives under the law.
    And I won’t even go into Lebanon which was the last straw for me personally as far as the slimey satanic coupling known as Ismerica is concerned.

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  22. 'ticia says:

    Coming Soon:
    Bride of Bolton
    Les Diaboltoniques
    Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Bolton
    Invasion of the Bolton Snatchers
    Rosemary’s Bolton
    The Invisible Bolton
    What Ever Happened to Baby Bolton?
    The Bolton of the Baskervilles
    Night of the Living Bolton
    And, in development:
    Boltenstein

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  23. elementary teacher says:

    Carroll & Linda, Carter would be wonderful! Out of the box is essential.

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  24. Carroll says:

    I think George Mitchell woud be a good choice…Carter would be ideal, but that’s hoping for too much.

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  25. Linda says:

    It’s Linda who started some of this with the first comment on this thread. First of all, I respect Steve’s opinion from much greater knowledge and experience than I have. So I am in no position to challenge or even oppose his statement that Dobriansky is an excellent diplomat. “Neo-con” is hard to define. And I guess not every signatory to PNAC letters/principles should be given that label.Who knows if Dobriansky will ever be nominated to be Ambassador to the UN. My main point is that if she ever again is up for any position that requires Senate confirmation, I think she should be asked about this and her views today because going into Iraq and not finishing the job in Afghanistan was a big mistake. And I don’t want anyone confirmed who can’t publicly admit it was a mistake.
    A couple years ago I looked at all 18 persons who signed that PNAC letter urging the military overthrow of Sadam in 1998, and 11 of the 18 were in the Bush Administration in May, 2004. A few have changed positions since then. Ten of those 11 were in the Bush Administration as of 9/11/01.
    Elliot Abrams is the only one who was not in Bush Administration as of 9/11/01. He was appointed to National Security Council in 12/02.
    Richard Armitage was confirmed as Deputy Secretary of State on 3/23/01.
    John Bolton was confirmed as Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security on 5/8/01.
    Paula Dobriansky was confimred as Undersecretary of State for Global Affairs on 4/26/01.
    Zalmay Khalilzad was appointed to National Security Council in 5/01.
    Richard Perle was Chairman of the Defense Policy Board.
    Peter Rodman was confirmed as Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs on 7/12/01.
    Donald Rumsfeld was confirmed as Secretary of Defense on 1/20/01.
    William Schneider, Jr. was named Chairman of the Defense Security Board in 3/01.
    Paul Wolfowitz was confirmed as Deputy Secretary of Defense on 2/28/01.
    Robert Zoellick was confirmed as U.S. Trade Representative on 1/23/01.
    So the Bush Administration was full of people in high positions at State, NSC, and DOD who favored military action against Sadam/Iraq from the start.
    As far as I know (and not very far really), Cheney never was a PNAC signatory though I think he was involved in that bad decision too. But it’s pretty easy to see just from that list why we went into Iraq.
    Anyhow since Norm Mineta has left the Cabinet, Bush needs to be bipartisan and appoint a Democrat to be Ambassador to the UN–somebody like Jimmy Carter, Sam Nunn, or George Mitchell would be fine with me.

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  26. Dan Kervick says:

    Steve,
    Is Ms. Dobriansky a friend of yours?

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  27. Pissed Off American says:

    “I would think, then, that suicide bombers and certainly Hezbollah rockets qualify for this definition of genocide……….”
    Posted by MP
    Naaah… they’re just exercising their right to defend themselves. Just like Israel is doing when it bulldozes some farmer’s date farm. Or shuts off the water to a couple hundred thousand people.

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  28. Pissed Off American says:

    “In all seriousness, you folks — many of you — and I disagree with Paula Dobriansky, whom I know is not the favorite of many environmentalists. But she is smart — a very effective diplomat — gets results — and is well respected by Republicans and Democrats in DC.”…..
    Clemons
    “Well respected”??? Yeah, well Delay was “well respected” too, Steve.
    Tell me, Steve, what quality demands respect from these criminals in Washington these days??? A bank account in the Caymans? A six figure annual donation from AIPAC??? Perhaps a son wearing a six pack of Coors. Or hey, you REALLY want respect, steal an election or two.
    And “gets results”??? Hell, oh goody cool and wow man……so does Bush. Just look at Iraq. And New Orleans. And some asshole like Bolton carrying the torch for America. Yeah, these bastards get results alright. Trouble is, I am not sure how many more of these “results” the United States can survive.

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  29. Pissed Off American says:

    “JR has clarified matters for me.
    If only 1500 Jews had been gassed during WWII, it would not have been a crime against humanity.
    Thanks, JR!”
    Posted by Marky
    That figure of 1500 is pure umitigated bullshit, and JR knows it. How do you calculate the loss of life that results when you take out a country’s infrastructure, detroy thousands of dwellings, displace about a million people, sprinkle bomblets all over the landscape, and impose sanctions and blockades on the importation of supplies? This criminal action of Israel’s cost far more than the 1500 lives that JR would have us believe it did.

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  30. MP says:

    “But an individual criminal may be guilty of genocide even if he kills only one person, so long as he knew he was participating in a larger plan to destroy the group.”
    I would think, then, that suicide bombers and certainly Hezbollah rockets qualify for this definition of genocide, because both H and H have stated their intent to destroy the Israeli state and its inhabitants. I guess, since Iran and Syria, provides Hezbollah with their rockets, they are complicit, too.

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  31. Carroll says:

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3301443,00.html
    Posted by Pissed Off American at September 8, 2006 04:57 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I wouldn’t worry about it…we are going to have on of those great cultural blood baths right here in the US before all this over anyway…when people start agreeing with Buchanan you know the tipping point isn’t far off.

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  32. Kathleen says:

    Well, I for one, am thrilled Bolton’s nomination is DOA, for whatever reason. They just rushed to bring a vote up again during the hostilities between Isreal and Lebanon to put certain liberals on the spot and perhaps force them to vote for Bolton, out of fear of seeming not in support of Israel, if they opposed Bolton.
    Also, they probably wanted the vote before the election.
    If, by chance, he were recess appointed again, we, the people, can register our objections to the UN General Assembly, to Bolton’s credentials being accepted by the UN, on the grounds that he was not duly appointed by the US gov’t and that he does not support the UN Charter, something which the UN has a right to require.
    I’ve been asking Senators, when I call them on Bolton, to do just that, if the recess provision is abused again as a way for Busholini to circumvent the constitutional requirement of obtaining the advice and consent of the Senate. John Kerry’s office liked the idea.
    When Bolton’s term expires, we can have a vacancy until the new Congress is sworn in.
    A very different kind of candidate may have to be proposed by Dopey and Darth.
    When NeoCon just doesn’t say it, I say NeoNutzi.

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  33. Carroll says:

    No, Steve isn’t a neo..banish the thought…!
    He is being “pragmatic”….and thinks she has better “manners’ than Bolton…and so is the lesser of evils that has a chance.
    Whereas I personally would like to see her and her fellow travelers all expelled to the Congo to work on bringing about their imperial vision of democracy. And I can say that because I am not a diplomat and can say exactly what I think.
    As for the “educational” qualification and smartness of this brand of diplomat, Dr. Mengals was educated and smart too and it didn’t do a damn thing for his ethics and morals.

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  34. Marky says:

    I missed the 30 second deadline—darn!
    I’m sure Dobrianski is smart, but would she play an effective role shepherding the UN into allowing an attack on Iran? I don’t want that kind of effectiveness.
    Look at it this way, Steve. Maybe Dobrianski is a fine, principled woman who is well-qualified for the job. If she takes it, she will be stained for the rest of her life. Do you really want to see another conservative with conscience destroyed by Bush? If you really want to nurture the moderate middle, encourage them to stay the hell away from Bush!

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  35. Steve Clemons says:

    Marky — you get 30 seconds to withdraw that accusation. You are really smart, have followed this blog for a long time. How could you ever think I was a neocon. You clearly want to get a rise out of me. 😉
    In all seriousness, you folks — many of you — and I disagree with Paula Dobriansky, whom I know is not the favorite of many environmentalists. But she is smart — a very effective diplomat — gets results — and is well respected by Republicans and Democrats in DC. Kerry did not win the election, and that means that a Kerry-type will not be appointed to the UN.
    I also know that Cheney has veto power over candidates, and he will not veto Dobriansky — who fits the bill on other fronts.
    She is only a possibility. Despite my own policy differences with Paula Dobriansky, I think that she is a superb public servant who has done an effective job.
    I try to think beyond my own parochial preferences to think about not only who would be good — but pragmatically, who could get the confirmation.
    Paula Dobriansky is right at the top of that list in my view.
    Steve

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  36. marky says:

    Carroll,
    I’m afraid the evidence leads me to believe Steve C. is himself a necon—just one who wishes the neocons in power were not so incompetent.

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  37. Marky says:

    JR has clarified matters for me.
    If only 1500 Jews had been gassed during WWII, it would not have been a crime against humanity.
    Thanks, JR!

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  38. Carroll says:

    I am curious Steve why you keep promoting this woman?…
    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives
    /000598.php
    Do you something we don’t?…because every word she has ever spoken puts her totally in the neo’s camp that thinks the US should spread democracy to the “universe” even if it kills said countries.

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  39. Pissed Off American says:

    Speaking of those ‘lil ‘ol clusterbombers of the Middle East, since when does a foreign government hawk curriculum for American schools? Think the textbooks will show the dismembered Lebanese children their cluster bomblets are killing, or Israeli bulldozers razing Palestinian farmlands? Or maybe they’ll tell these kids about dancing Israelis on 9/11, or acts of espionage waged against the United States. Ya think?
    New Yorkers to study about Israel
    City council approves curriculum on Israel initiated by Israeli Consulate in New York; curriculum to be integrated into training program for educators teaching in 1,400 public high schools
    Yaniv Halili Published: 09.08.06, 20:36
    NEW YORK – The New York City Council’s education committee approved a curriculum on Israel initiated by the public relations department of the Israeli Consulate in New York.
    The curriculum will be integrated into the training program for educators teaching in 1,400 public high schools in New York City. The teachers will be able to register to a 30-hour course dealing with the history of the State of Israel, its economy, the high-tech industry, Israeli art and Ethiopian Jews.
    The incentive offered to teachers who will take the course: Credit points for an academic degree.
    The teachers responded so positively to the course, that by the third day of registration all seats were taken. Following the teachers’ request, the consulate decided to add more seats.
    Israeli Consul General in New York Aryeh Mekel said that “through the teachers a generation of leaders will be educated to maintain the special relations between the United States and Israel.”
    We are not bringing politics, but are exposing them to Israel as we know it and as we would like people to know it,” he added.
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3301443,00.html

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  40. Carroll says:

    Another way is that there’s absolutely nothing in common with the Final Solution and anyone who makes the comparison is beneath contempt.
    Posted by JR at September 8, 2006 03:22 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    The way I see it JR is anyone who defends genocide is beneath contempt…that’s the way the laws on genocide read..let me say this again..the Israeli goverment is guilty of genocide in Palestine..in intent, motive and systematic patterns…Slam dunk legally.
    And according to the laws the US could most likely be gotten for …(e) Complicity in genocide. ”

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  41. vachon says:

    Steve, an aside if you’ll permit me:
    I watched John Roberts manage to piss off your friend Peter Bergen on CNN last night all the way to Kabul. If Peter wants to haul off and shave Robert’s hairdo, I’ll testify he was with me all day having coffee. lol!

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  42. Pissed Off American says:

    Gee, JR, what do YOU choose to call the framers of Israel’s crimes against humanity? Come on, JR, enlighten us. Justify this human tragedy unfolding in Lebanon and Gaza. Come on JR, clue us in, what do YOU call these butchering child murdering cluster bombing bastards?

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  43. JR says:

    Fade, is there no room in your world for distinctions between “x is wrong” and “x is a Nazi”?

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  44. Michael says:

    Recess appointments and pay
    A recess appointment receives the normal salary of their position for a year. The President can reappoint the person at the end of that term, however they will receive no remuneration unless confirmed by the Senate.

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  45. Fade says:

    Well, With Bush’s record- He might appoint MechaGodzilla next since no one likes Bolton. I shudder at who could be his next choice = he doesn’t give a damn.
    And JR> anyone who defends the murder of 1500 civilians IS TRULY Beneath contempt, not just someone who doesn’t like comparisons. Is 18,000 dead civvies still just a teensy number to ya?
    Alright, I was wrong. You get my contempt.

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  46. JR says:

    The Nazis burned the corpses of 4,000 Jews per day at Auschwitz alone. In the war in Lebanon, there were 1500 Lebanese civilian deaths. One way to look at it is that the Israelis are trying to wipe out the Muslims, they’re just not very good at it. Another way is that there’s absolutely nothing in common with the Final Solution and anyone who makes the comparison is beneath contempt.

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  47. DFW says:

    There is a great song about Bolton at
    http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/freedomtoastrep or http://www.thefreedomtoast.com and if it’s outdated soon, so much the better.

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  48. Carroll says:

    Just so we are all on the same song sheet when discussing current events in the ME….read carefully.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Articles II and III of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.
    Article II describes two elements of the crime of genocide:
    1) the mental element, meaning the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”, and
    2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called “genocide.”
    Article III described five punishable forms of the crime of genocide: genocide; conspiracy, incitement, attempt and complicity.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and
    Punishment of Genocide : In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
    (a) Genocide;
    (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
    (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
    (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
    (e) Complicity in genocide. ”
    ——————————————————————————–
    It is a crime to plan or incite genocide, even before killing starts, and to aid or abet genocide: Criminal acts include conspiracy, direct and public incitement, attempts to commit genocide, and complicity in genocide.
    Punishable Acts The following are genocidal acts when committed as part of a policy to destroy a group’s existence:
    Killing members of the group includes direct killing and actions causing death.
    Causing serious bodily or mental harm includes inflicting trauma on members of the group through widespread torture, rape, sexual violence, forced or coerced use of drugs, and mutilation.
    Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group’s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.
    Prevention of births includes involuntary sterilization, forced abortion, prohibition of marriage, and long-term separation of men and women intended to prevent procreation.
    Forcible transfer of children may be imposed by direct force or by fear of violence, duress, detention, psychological oppression or other methods of coercion. The Convention on the Rights of the Child defines children as persons under the age of 18 years.
    Genocidal acts need not kill or cause the death of members of a group. Causing serious bodily or mental harm, prevention of births and transfer of children are acts of genocide when committed as part of a policy to destroy a group’s existence.
    The law protects four groups – national, ethnical, racial or religious groups.
    A national group means a set of individuals whose identity is defined by a common country of nationality or national origin.
    An ethnical group is a set of individuals whose identity is defined by common cultural traditions, language or heritage.
    A racial group means a set of individuals whose identity is defined by physical characteristics.
    A religious group is a set of individuals whose identity is defined by common religious creeds, beliefs, doctrines, practices, or rituals.
    Key Terms
    The crime of genocide has two elements: intent and action. “Intentional” means purposeful. Intent can be proven directly from statements or orders. But more often, it must be inferred from a systematic pattern of coordinated acts.
    Intent is different from motive. Whatever may be the motive for the crime (land expropriation, national security, territorrial integrity, etc.), if the perpetrators commit acts intended to destroy a group, even part of a group, it is genocide.
    The phrase “in whole or in part” is important. Perpetrators need not intend to destroy the entire group. Destruction of only part of a group (such as its educated members, or members living in one region) is also genocide. Most authorities require intent to destroy a substantial number of group members – mass murder. But an individual criminal may be guilty of genocide even if he kills only one person, so long as he knew he was participating in a larger plan to destroy the group.
    For a more detailed description of the crimes described in Article II (Rome Statute Article 6) see the Elements of the Crime of Genocide agreed upon by the International Criminal Court Preparatory Commission in June 2000.

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  49. Carroll says:

    Paula Dobriansky?….this is a joke…right?
    Look …we have to break up this little incest ring handling our foreign relations.
    She “talks” a good game on human rights except where it applies to what applies to the US and Israel actions.
    Off with her head…says the Red Queen. Enough of these people.

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  50. Pissed Off American says:

    “Nazi”??? Gee, thats a term I like to save for Cheney. “Nazi” doesn’t work on Bush because he just does what people tell him God told him to do, and if providence hadda put someone good in the position of handing him his marching orders, Bush would probably be doin’ good things.
    As far as these abominations formulating Israel’s policies towards the Muslims I am not too fond of the term “Nazi”. Den’s monicker of “monsters” seems to fit pretty well, and I am kinda partial to “butchers” as well. But hey, I realize its highly anti-semitic of me to decry Israel’s systematic program of genocide against the evil doers, so, in the interest of civil discourse I will heretofore just refer to the leadership of Israel as “child murderers”.
    Or hey, hows “muslim erasers” sound?
    Or gee, does “cluster bombers” sound good??? I mean hey, if we can lump the Pals into the “suicide bomber” category, can’t we apply the same labeling standards to the Israelis???
    Yep, I’ll just call all them Israelis “cluster bombers”.
    I mean, all’s fair in love and genocide, right?

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  51. Donald Cormac says:

    Well, Bushmeat can still give the @$$hole another recess appointment. It just means that Bolton would not be paid a salary for the position. Something tells me that J.B. is NOT in it for da money. (:>

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  52. Anwar al-Insurgent says:

    Ding dong the twitch is dead…
    which old twitch?
    the wicked old twitch!
    Ding dong the wicked twitch is dead…
    It is news that can be celebrated and rekindles that slowly strangulating flicker of hope and a flame of democracy just might reignite and deliver a people from tyranny.
    One can only hope!

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  53. Rob says:

    Linda:
    Not it is not the same Schneider, here is the guy…
    http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1351

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  54. Glic says:

    yes, but you need to spell it SchnAEIder.

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  55. Carroll says:

    Steve, I know this is an open and free-wheeling site, but trolls who never miss an opportunity to say that Israelis are Nazis really shouldn’t have place here.
    Posted by JR at September 8, 2006 01:49 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Nazi is a handy term applied these days to anyone who acts like a nazi…those who have a master plan for domination, indulge in collective punishment, ect….nazi is not a copyright term….we seem to have some 21 century midget nazis wannbes in both the US and Israel….unless you can come up with a better word for their mentality and actions nazi will probably continue to be used to describe them…

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  56. civil behavior says:

    Can you say PNAC? God, how quickly we forget…
    When will the left really acceept the truth? We were dead meat Nov 3 2004.

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  57. James Hogan says:

    Re: Comment by Linda @ 9:19am
    Is the “William Schneider, Jr.” who signed the PNAC letter of 1998 the same “Bill” Schneider (of the American Enterprise Institute) who reports on polling results for CNN?

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  58. chronic says:

    LOL I bet Bush is a cranky lil pwezidunce today!
    Republicans will do anything to retain thier power. Lie, cheat and steal!

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  59. JR says:

    Steve, I know this is an open and free-wheeling site, but trolls who never miss an opportunity to say that Israelis are Nazis really shouldn’t have place here.

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  60. Via says:

    I understand what Punchy means. He may technically lose, but then he cheats and retaliates. He always seems to get what he wants in the end, and manages to kill and maim thousands in the process.

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  61. Pissed Off American says:

    You know. In this mix of characters, there are a few that KNOW exactly what happened on 9/11. They know WHO was involved, and how deeply. My bet is that any such person, or persons, is a card carrying member of the PNAC. Factor in a foreign intelligence service that was hypothetically involved, and you have plenty of ammunition for one hell of a blackmail plot.

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  62. Punchy says:

    He can recess appoint someone who’s been voted down? What the hell? Why even have a voting process if the guy can get in regardless?
    Well, there’s his move. Re-up him in the face of criticism.

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  63. Joe Buck says:

    The language that says that a recess appointee receives no pay applies only if the nominee is voted down, and then the president appoints him/her. It doesn’t apply if the nomination never comes to a vote.
    So, as far as I know, Bolton is being paid.

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  64. Punchy says:

    Greg–
    Always loses when stakes are high? Um…Nov. 2004?

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  65. Greg in LA says:

    Punchy, Bush lost NYC on 9-11, New Orleans and the soul of America. He lost his principles when he invaded Iraq and his credibility when he said we don’t torture and wiretapping requires warrants. Never loses? Ha! He always loses when the stakes are high.

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  66. NeilS says:

    What the H happened? Does anyone know? I do not follow these things closely, but if the powers that be (Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld) wanted him as UN Ambassador, then I expect that is what they would get.
    I find it difficult to believe that Bush would not get his choice for ambassador simply because a Senator in his own party refused to support him.
    Did Bolton piss one of them off?

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  67. Pissed Off American says:

    Maybe Disney will give him a job doing a screenplay for a docu-drama about the rampant anti-semitism that is blocking Israel’s efforts to use the final solution on the Muslim problem.

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  68. profmarcus says:

    as first pointed out by linda above, since she’s a signatory to pnac’s statement of principles and your (steve’s) professional judgment notwithstanding, she can go directly to hell and take the mustache of serial abuse with her…
    http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/

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  69. KCinDC says:

    Surely some arrangement could be made for Bolton to be paid by some conservative think tank or lobbying firm. Maybe not immediately, but after his service is finished. He could live on his savings for a couple of years and then leave in 2009 for a high-paying sinecure as is traditional for those eligible for “wingnut welfare”.

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  70. Cole Moore Odell says:

    I realize that this is politics, so it may be a distinction without a difference, but did Chafee take a brave, principled stand, or did he plead to have the vote scrapped a week ahead of his contentious primary?

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  71. Den Valdron says:

    Wait for it:
    John Bolton Returns
    John Bolton, The Mustache that Roared
    John Bolton and Robin
    John Bolton Forever
    Beneath the Planet of John Bolton
    Battle for John Bolton
    John Bolton: Resurrection
    John Bolton, the Final Chapter
    John Bolton takes Manhattan
    John Bolton versus Jason
    John Bolton versus Freddy Krueger
    Attack of the Fifty Foot John Bolton
    John Bolton Raids Again
    John Bolton versus MechaGodzilla

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  72. Thomas Brock says:

    Absolutely, Mr. Bolton can be reappointed during a recess. The consequences are that the appointee receives no pay and allowances for the term, however. This CRS report has more information. http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RS21308.pdf#search=%22recess%20appointment%22

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  73. Punchy says:

    Call me incredibly cyanical, but can Bush re-reappoint Bolton during a recess? Who “forces” Bolton out? Because if it’s Congress…well…
    I’ve noticed that Bush never, ever loses. Anything. When he’s told to stop something, he doesn’t. When told he’s wrong in Iraq, he keeps going. I don’t think he’ll take this “failure” in a proper manner.

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  74. Matthew says:

    And once his nomination is pulled, can the Democrats finally remove Charles Schumer from heading the Senate Campaign Committee. The fact that he would praise Bolton disqualifies him from a leadership position. Loyal opposition still means “opposition.”

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  75. Linda says:

    Steve,
    She has a very impressive resume, but I have to add that she did sign 1998 PNAC letter to Clinton urging military action to over Sadam. The signatories were Elliott Abrams,Richard L. Armitage,William J. Bennett, Jeffrey Bergner, John Bolton,Paula Dobriansky,Francis Fukuyama, Robert Kagan,Zalmay Khalilzad,William Kristol, Richard Perle, Peter W. Rodman, Donald Rumsfeld, William Schneider, Jr.,Vin Weber,Paul Wolfowitz, R. James Woolsey, and Robert B. Zoellick.
    So if she is nominated, I do hope Senate Foreign Relations Committee asks her a lot of questions about what she now thinks, given events of eight years since that letter. As far as I know, only Fukuyama has recanted.
    It’s also interesting to note that she is the only female among the 18 who signed the PNAC letter. It probably is not relevant, but I’d like to know if she has children and if they are serving in the military. Women can be chicken hawks too.

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