Dems Should Really, Really, Really Want to Run Against George Allen

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Of all the Democratic presidential candidates for 2008 now in the field, the one that Republican strategists most want is Hillary Clinton. That doesn’t mean that she is an easy win for them and doesn’t mean that she won’t clobber her challenger — but the Rove-minions want her.
But who do Dems want?
In my view, the most challenging Republican contender is Senator John McCain. McCain is a complicated person, but he’s no duplicate copy of George W. Bush and he appeals to many Democrats and Independents — as well as a broad cross-section of Republicans. I have admitted many times on this blog that there are many characteristics and positions of John McCain I admire.
But put my views aside for a moment. I think McCain is the toughest challenger Dems have before them.
A smart strategist would do all he could to maneuver McCain’s opponent(s) to a win in the Republican primary. While always tough to rig outcomes in either party, McCain’s biggest opponent for the time being is George Allen. I’d place Brownback next actually despite the euphoria among some moderate Republicans for Mitt Romney.
George Allen is getting pilloried in the press for referring in a crowd to a Jim Webb election worker as “Macaca,” which some have tried to argue is a racist and demeaning term. You can watch the video and learn more here.
I’m not that impressed by George Allen’s intellectual faculties and have a hard time believing that he would knowingly call someone a racial slur while he knew the camera was going.
But the bigger issue here is that Allen is divisive. He’s not all that smart. He allegedly hung a Confederate flag and noose in his old office to remind himself of his state’s history.
I don’t think he’s a flaming bigot, but he is the right guy for Dems to try and run against.
So, what to do?
Stop demonizing McCain, and start demonizing George Allen.
I have no idea whether Allen will win against Democratic Senate challenger James Webb or not — but odds usually favor incumbents and George Allen is hungry for the presidency.
The best thing bloggers and progressive journals of opinion could do right now is to give John McCain a big embrace, highlight the good stuff in his past (and I think there is a lot), give him a pre-endorsement if progressives and liberals were choosing a Republican candidate.
I’d love to see a split cover on both The Nation and The American Prospect on why they endorse John McCain for the Republican ticket and loathe and despise Senator George Allen.
Put George Allen on every magazine cover and blog with horns and a devil’s tail.
Dems should really, really, really want to run against George Allen.
But thus far, most Dems I encounter don’t have the Rovian gene and are doing little to maneuver whom they most want to run against and to undermine those who they should most fear.
— Steve Clemons
Update: One of my favorite Republican bloggers, Robert George, tackles George Allen too. Allen is bad — real bad. Dems just need him to win the Republican presidential primary.

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89 comments on “Dems Should Really, Really, Really Want to Run Against George Allen

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  3. Mitchel Schapira says:

    I have been praying that the Republicans run Guliani. He is currently the R with the highest approval ratings. But when he runs it will, of course, become obvious that he is pro-choice, pro-Gay marriage, and the business partner of Bernie Kerrick. This is the guy who notified his wife that he was getting a divorce over the airwaves, and had a restraining order prohibiting from going to his home, which happened to be Gracie Mansion, the official residence of the Mayor of NY. So he went to live with two gay guys. I could go on about this two faced piece of work, but just the irony of Republicans trying to get their base all ginned up with homophobia and then finding Rudy on the ballot tickles my fancy.
    Visit the Schapira blog, “What we know so far …” http://schapira.blogspot.com
    “… and tell ’em Big Mitch sent ya!”

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  4. bob h says:

    Hasn’t the example of Bush made it pretty clear that the world is too complicated and dangerous a place for another dumb, Southern cracker?

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  5. Carroll says:

    A word to DB….
    In all kindness I have to say you are either an increditably stupid activist for the right wing zionist, or a anti-Israel plant …because your comments do nothing but encourage people to have an even lower opinion of the extreme zionist movement represented by racist like Daniel Pipes…particulary when you call people like Al Franken a self hating jew….it seems to me Franken embodies more of the original jewish values than someone like you does.

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  6. Robert Morrow says:

    Establishment Republicans – i.e. Rove and Bush – are on their knees praying that the Demos nominate Hillary. These people are idiots. There is a saying “be careful for what you wish for.” Hillary’s 20% chance of winning a general election is 20% too much for me. I urge my Demo friends to nominate MARK WARNER for Prez. in 2008. If not then Al Gore, John Edwards or Bernie Sanders is a much better substitute for Hillary. If it can down to Bernie or Hillary I would vote for the socialist over the sociopath/street criminal.
    Hillary, a sponsor of the Privacy Act, has for 20 years hired a secret police to harass, intimidate and terrify Bill’s sexual assault victims and girlfriends. Hillary, who founded the 1st rape crisis hotline in Arkansas, has been covering for a rapist and a sexual predator for her entire adult life.
    The Clintons sent thugs to beat up Gary Johnson (6-26-92), the neighbor of Gennifer Flowers, because he had security camera tapes of Bill often entering her condominium.
    There is a very real possibility that Hillary/Bill/Buddy Young organized the murder of Jerry Parks (9-26-93) because he had been hired to do surveillance on Bill for almost a decade by Hillary and her boyfriend and emotional husband Vince Foster.
    Hillary and Bill are worthy of a jail cell, not any major party’s nomination. If you need any info on the Clintons, please give me a call at 512-306-1510. Hillary has spent much of her life trying to cover up the Clintons’ wildly dysfunctional Jerry Springer lifestyle with criminal intimidation tactics.
    The Clintons are black widow spiders who violate almost everyone they come in contact with.
    As for who I like on the Republican side: I will support Tom Tancredo, with George Allen in 2nd place.

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  7. NH Dem says:

    Oh, DB?
    I haven’t bothered to follow your and POA’s (who, quite frankly, I roll my eyes at rather more often than not) recent back and forth, but here’s a word to the wise.
    There are a number of ways to swiftly discredit yourself in conversation. One of these is to lob about idiot cant phrases peculiar to rigid ideological cults. Back in the good old days, when the Chinese Communists were, you know, actually Commies, adherents of their cult could be immediately identified by their dropping into conversation such glorious proletarian rhetorical gems as “running dogs” and “imperialist lackeys” and “the Chairman is not in a vegetative state, he has merely been cutting brush at his summer retreat for the last three months.”
    These days, with the dictatorship of the proletariat being sadly out of fashion, and with “states’ rights” more often on the lips of alarmed liberals and libertarians than those of racists, one of the leading catchphrases for people who absolutely, positively have to get written off as irrational drones immediately is “self-hating Jew.”
    And even among your trusted fellow cadres, denouncing Al Franken as a self-hating Jew has to seal one’s reputation as an addle-pated fool.

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  8. NH Dem says:

    Allen as McCain’s toughest rival? Hardly. Especially now.
    Hagel, as one poster said, could be a tougher general election adversary than McCain, but he’ll never be nominated because A: the GOP considers him a traitor for what he’s said about Bush’s conduct of the war in Iraq and B: barring a stroke or (please God, no!) nude photographs, McCain steals 98% of Hagel’s voters.
    But back to Allen. I rooted for George W. Bush in 2000 because he was a blatantly unqualified screw-up machine that was bound to get beaten to a pulp. And the SOB won — or at least came close enough that it was easy to drag him across the finish line before the other guy. Be careful what you wish for. You may think that this nation has had its fill of ignorant sneering knuckle-dragging born-rich bigot-winking big-talking fratboys for the time being. And you’re probably right. But after 2000, and 2004, I’m not about to bet on it.

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  9. DB says:

    First off, I’m not alec, I’m DB, which further proves my point that to you, all Jews look alike.
    I will respond point by point:
    1. “Give me an EXACT example of my comments that give you that impression.”
    You have an obvious bias. To be fair, Carroll is the one that really strikes me as vicious. Your reasoning is at least an attempt at some logic, although I would say it’s tarnished by a false and unfair premise, which is what I feel is the anti-semetic part.
    2. “Show me one single instance of me making that argument.”
    Based on what you perport, that seems to be the only way out- you seem to say that Israel is not allowed to defend herself as she has through several wars, after some of which she did gain teritory. If Arabs attack her, shouldn’t they be willing to accept the consequences. Sorry the 1967 lines don’t exist anymore, but frankly, Egypt was offerred Gaza in 1979 and wants nothing to do with it, and Jordan wants NOTHING to do with the West Bank Arabs. In fact, the “Palestinians” are a worse off MAJORITY in Jordan than as subjects of Israel, and if they’d accept a deal like they could have in Y2K, they’d have a state, but to me it seems they are hell-bent on the destruction of Israel, so I ask you-
    WHAT DO YOU SIGGEST ISRAEL SHOULD DO?
    3. “No, thats not true. I maintain they DO have a “reason”. Its called genocide.”
    OK- that’s why I call you an anti-semite. Before Jews were bombed by Hezbollah, they go no warning. On the other hand, Israel dropped leaflets into all the towns of Lebanon before they took action.
    Is it genocide when Arabs kill Jewish civilians? I’ve not seen you call it that.
    See the difference. No I guess not….
    4. “Again, you ficticiously create my position so you have a platform from which to spew your useless irritating crap. Show me one single comment from me that implies what you state.”
    Well- then state your position, because all we see from you is a relentless attack on Israel and Jews, and never a criticism of any Arab. Takes 2 to tango. That’s why I can’t escape the fact that you don’t accept what occurred in 1948, because if you did, then you’d give Israel the right to defend herself ( it’s Jews and the VERY HAPPY 1 million Arabs living within her borders ).
    Last-
    Oh I see- when I ask you to back up your positions, I’m disrupting your website. Gee- this site would be much simpler for you if you and all the other Israel bashers could whine together about the fact that everything is the Jew’s fault.
    Steve- go ahead and ban me. I only heard about you from appearing on the Air America Station. It’s a bummer that a self hating Jew like Al Franken would promote you and your cohorts POA and Carroll.

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  10. Pissed Off American says:

    “You are clearly anti-semetic. I’ve seen your posts all over this website. It’s not an personal attack- it is a statement of fact.”
    Give me an EXACT example of my comments that give you that impression.
    “Your solution to the world’s problems is to drive the Jews out of Israel because they don’t belong there.”
    Show me one single instance of me making that argument.
    “You also believe that the Jews are war mongers who kill civilians for no good reason. Isn’t that also true.”
    No, thats not true. I maintain they DO have a “reason”. Its called genocide.
    “I’d go further to say that you believe all the rockets launched by Hezbolah who’s ONLY purpose is to attack civilian targets are justified. Also true???”
    “I think you also believe that the bombers who board busses in Israel for the purpose of murdering civilians are also justified. True??”
    Again, you ficticiously create my position so you have a platform from which to spew your useless irritating crap. Show me one single comment from me that implies what you state.
    “Let me ask you a question. When did the ARAB state of Palestine EVER exist – please give me a date.”
    Go order someone else around, alec, I don’t post at your beck and call. Hopefully Steve will dump you quick, because your post above certainly shows you are not here to do anything other than disrupt this website.

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  11. DB says:

    Free pass on Joe Biden on this blog huh?
    Oh- right. Democrat. Couldn’t actually be a racist. 🙂

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  12. DB says:

    POA-
    You are clearly anti-semetic. I’ve seen your posts all over this website. It’s not an personal attack- it is a statement of fact.
    Your solution to the world’s problems is to drive the Jews out of Israel because they don’t belong there. You also contend that they’ve stolen land from the Palestinians. Are either of those 2 facts incorrect.
    You also believe that the Jews are war mongers who kill civilians for no good reason. Isn’t that also true.
    I’d go further to say that you believe all the rockets launched by Hezbolah who’s ONLY purpose is to attack civilian targets are justified. Also true???
    I think you also believe that the bombers who board busses in Israel for the purpose of murdering civilians are also justified. True??
    Hezbolah is also justified for murdering 6 IDF soldiers and kidnapping 2 more?
    Let me ask you a question. When did the ARAB state of Palestine EVER exist – please give me a date.
    DB

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  13. NealB says:

    Hard to believe the Republicans would nominate George Allen for President. They’re not that stupid.

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  14. Antonio Manetti says:

    I think McCain will be a very tough customer.
    He is seen as a maverick with impeccable security credentials who won’t be burdened with the failed policies of the current administration.

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  15. Pissed Off American says:

    Carroll –
    Every post you have seems to blame the Zionists, errr Jews, for all the world’s problems, and then you somehow claim that these are not real Jews, because most of your closest friends are Jews. Yeah.
    I see clearly that you’re sorry Hitler didn’t finish the job.
    Are you friends with POA??
    Posted by DB
    Ah, heres “alec”s replacement. I notice upthread that the poster that implied I was anti-semitic had the screen name “cela”. I suppose it is just a coincidence that that is “alec” spelled backwards, eh? Notice on this thread I have said NOTHING about Israel, yet we see the above kind of horseshit coming off of our resident troll’s keyboard. Well, we’ll see if Steve means it when he says he will not allow further “ad hominem attacks”.

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  16. DB says:

    Facing criticism, potential 2008 presidential candidate Joe Biden on Friday defended his recent remark that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
    The Delaware senator said his words were taken out of context.
    On a recent edition of the C-SPAN series “Road to the White House,” Biden is shown in New Hampshire boasting about his support among Indian-Americans.
    “I’ve had a great relationship. In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking,” the senator said.
    The clip made its way through cyberspace this week and caught fire in Washington, where Biden is known as one of the more long-winded senators.
    Visiting troops and officials in Iraq this week, Biden was asked about the comment during an interview with CNN’s “The Situation Room.”
    The senator said he has had an “incredibly strong” relationship with the Indian-American community in Delaware and that his comment was misinterpreted.
    “I was making the point that up until now in my state, we’ve had a strong Indian community made up of leading scientists and researchers and engineers,” Biden said. Lately, he said: “We’re having middle- class people move to Delaware, take over Dunkin’ Donuts, take over businesses, just like other immigrant groups have, and I was saying that … they’re growing, it’s moving.”
    “I could have said that 40 years ago about walking into a delicatessen and saying an Italian accent in my state,” Biden added.

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  17. DB says:

    Carroll –
    Every post you have seems to blame the Zionists, errr Jews, for all the world’s problems, and then you somehow claim that these are not real Jews, because most of your closest friends are Jews. Yeah.
    I see clearly that you’re sorry Hitler didn’t finish the job.
    Are you friends with POA??

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  18. Carroll says:

    Slim Loner…about this..
    “Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, in Pittsburgh to address the World Affairs Council, recalled memories of Sep. 11 while referring ominously to a stateless enemy hidden in American towns.”
    The neocons are doing a full court press to get the Muslims and Arabs here rounded up…I kid you not…listen to the right wingers and the zionist…they have been all over TV and press with this “enemy among us” demonizing of Muslim-Americans….beside the fear factor, it is straight from the old Daniel Pipes plan to get rid of the Muslim population in this country because they are a demographic threat in terms of voting power and future political influence….
    Unf****** believable…but that is exactly what they are up to ….

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  19. km4 says:

    Jim Webb SLAMS Bush-Cheney Middle East Policy
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/16/202043/842
    Today, Jim Webb delivered a major address on national security policy at the Knights of Columbus in Arlington. It was a very strong speech, very well received (two standing ovations). Here are some highlights (quotes as accurate as possible; official transcript pending):
    “National security policy under the Bush-Cheney Administration is in total disarray.”
    “Al Qaeda is stronger today than 5 years ago,” in large part “as a result of our occupation of Iraq.”
    “Those who are leading us lack strategic vision.”
    Continues…
    Steve Clemons this is right up your alley for a follow up post !

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  20. slim loner says:

    Heads up, POA
    Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, in Pittsburgh to address the World Affairs Council, recalled memories of Sep. 11 while referring ominously to a stateless enemy hidden in American towns.
    “The most dramatic change,” said Gonzales, “is the nature of the enemy our country today faces — a stateless enemy sometimes hidden and nurtured here in our neighborhoods, taking advantage of the very laws they mock with their killing and destruction, as a shield from detection and prosecution.”
    Gonzales, further emphasizing the perceived domestic danger, stated, “The threat of homegrown terrorist cells may be as dangerous as groups like al Qaeda, if not more so.
    “It is therefore essential that we continue to develop the tools we need to investigate their actions and intentions with the help of our partners, and prosecute those who travel down the road of radicalization.”
    http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Attorney_General_Terrorists_are_in_our_0816.html

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  21. Pissed Off American says:

    Gads, its like the friggin’ Twilight Zone. Mention the fact our votes aren’t getting counted and the prattle just continues as if the issue didn’t exist. Its a shame the elephant doesn’t have shorter legs. Maybe if a few of these people ran head first into some low hanging nads it would knock some sense into them.

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  22. realtime says:

    He can not be any dumber than Junior. When Junior graduated from Andover his advisor asked him what he was going to do. He replied that he was going to go to Yale. The advisor told him he would not get in. It shows what donating a $6 million pool to the school can do. He could not get into the University of Texas Law School, but he got into Harvard. I heard one of his teachers at Harvard discuss him. He was not impressed with Junior.

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  23. ksb says:

    This is atrocious. George Allen should be made to resign over this. He is a disgrace to the United States Senate and brings shame to the state of Virginia.

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  24. km4 says:

    Former president to help Webb in Senate campaign
    Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Jim Webb has snared the big guy — former President Bill Clinton — to help him raise money for his Senate race. A spokeswoman said the time and place for Clinton’s visit have yet to be worked out. Webb is running against U.S. Sen. George Allen, a Republican, who ended the June 30 fundraising period with a $6 million edge over Webb.
    Expect that $6 million edge to dry up pretty quickly with Clinton on the case and George Felix Allen Junior’s explanations – and those of his Republican “friends” – rolling out by the hour.
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/16/171011/759

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  25. km4 says:

    France to head new Lebanon force
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4800053.stm
    Aug 16, 2006
    Yes nice call Steve on this…
    The Diplomacy Prize Goes to France
    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001592.php
    August 11, 2006
    Should be quite a party at French Ambassador Jean-David Levitte, home on Sept 6 in Wash DC.
    BTW, are CondiLiza and John Bolton invited for all their fine diplomacy work they’ve done and in Bolton’s case his very cooperative nature and standing at the UN ?

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  26. erichwwk says:

    ah a refreshing bit of honest and reality:
    “Our political system has become A JOKE” and
    “If that is what politics hs become in America, then this grand experiment is OVER. It is up to US to refuse to accept this kind of governance, and if we do not soon find our voices than our democracy will be irretrievable.”
    To even be discussing reverse psychology and deviant rovian behavior to me is just further evidence of how low we have sunk as a nation, and how pathetic are proposals for solutions. What small folk we have become.
    Or is this reverse psychology what is at play in our efforts to export our political system to those countries that are perceived to be our enemies? To offer them a trojan horse of filth and dishonor?

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  27. Pissed Off American says:

    BTW, I CHALLENGE any poster to refute the information contained in the three links I provided.
    A warning; Just drooling some bullshit about me being a “conspiracy theorist” does NOT constitute a serious rebuttal. It only underscores your inability to demonstrate that voter fraud did not occur. The facts support the conclusion that the 2004 election was criminally STOLEN, and if these people can do so in 2004, they can do so again. AND WILL DO SO. Until we address this corruption of our electoral system, AND FIX IT SO IT CANNOT BE CORRUPTED, these discussions about “candidates” are nothing more than useless prattle and wishful thinking on our parts.

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  28. Pissed Off American says:

    In light of the posts I have made exposing IRREFUTABLE evidence of widespread voter fraud, perhaps Steve will show us an instance of McCain or Reid advocating investigations, indictments, or reform.
    In light of the fact that evidence exists that widespread voter fraud has occurred, why do we even bother to pretend that these posturing bastards are willing to work in America’s best interests?
    Perhaps a politician, (believing that the so called “war on terror” serves America’s interests), might overlook the LIES that were used to justify attacking Iraq. But what politician can continue to IGNORE a corrupted electoral system, yet claim to be acting in America’s best interests?

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  29. chris_from_boca says:

    George Allen is getting pilloried in the press for referring in a crowd to a Jim Webb election worker as “Macaca,” which some have tried to argue is a racist and demeaning term.
    In fact there is really no argument about it. It is a racist and demeaning term, and he is someone who is in a position to know this by virtue of living in Northern Africa where the epithet is often employed. Don’t give the bigot any cover. He knew what the term meant and he used it deliberately.

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  30. Pissed Off American says:

    And yet another…..
    http://www.blackboxvoting.org

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  31. Pissed Off American says:

    There is an elephant in the room….
    http://www.johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={BD0FBB2E-BAE6-4A15-9517-E9E135D8F0C7}

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  32. MP says:

    “Things have changed. Not because of 9/11, but because of the end of the cold war. The threat of “intervention” resulting in nuclear exchanges has ended and the neo cons have rediscovered militarism. Unfortnately they also have forgotten the lessons of Imperialism and Colonialism, but they are essentilly leftists with an unlimited arsenal. They are not even remotely “conservative” in the sense of Bill Buckley or George Will and pay homage to Conservatism only indomestic matters. In foreign policy, Right has become Left with a militant twist, and the rest of us are trying to deal with the pole shift.”
    yes…Yes…YES! Totally agree. All these guys were former Liberals and Democrats. To your other points, Jimmy Carter was the last president I recall talking about human rights and spreading democracy. The last one who made it a foundation stone of his administration and foreign policy, and he was trashed as weak and feckless. But the militarism is bad…Bad…BAD!

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  33. Daniel DiRito says:

    The remarks made by Senator George Allen have all the makings of a Dick Wadhams campaign. Wadhams cut his political teeth in Colorado and has been seen as the person behind the rise of Senator Wayne Allard, a Colorado veterinarian. Wadhams went on to orchestrate the campaign against Tom Daschle in South Dakota and is now leading Allen’s reelection effort.
    Dick Wadhams is a man many have called Karl Rove’s protégé. During Wadhams work in Colorado for Senator Wayne Allard’s 2002 reelection, he gave one of the most acerbic victory speeches I have ever witnessed. While gloating at the defeat of Ted Strickland, his comments were vile and hateful. The man is Karl Rove absent a scintilla of decorum and decency…if you can imagine that! It appears that George Allen believes that two bullies are better than one.
    Read full article here:
    http://www.thoughttheater.com

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  34. BurnedOut says:

    Wes Clark could go against John McCain….and Karl Rove…and win. The Dems need to get smart…and start thinking two moves ahead…

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  35. mlaw230 says:

    Let’s separate the wheat and the chaff, and try to figure why this neocon stuff sells in America in the first place.
    In my opinion, we make a mistake in demonizing the neocons, including the President. At its root neoconism is just utopianism run amuk, and history has temporarily aligned it with the Reupblican Party, and it has opportunistically flourished while we have been threatened,and prudence seems cowardly.
    As most of us grew up, we were forced to accept the cruelty of the Soviet Union, and our country supported authoritarians around the globe to the sacrifice of liberal pluralism, as the alternatives, i.e. nuclear war, justified virtually everything. During that period, the typical non violence of the left and militarism of the right found an uneasy peace in cold war containment. I remember clearly rueing the fact that the country that had freed europe could do nothing for Eastern europe, or Asia, etc. and we had to rely on the slow evolution of freedom.
    Things have changed. Not because of 9/11, but because of the end of the cold war. The threat of “intervention” resulting in nuclear exchanges has ended and the neo cons have rediscovered militarism. Unfortnately they also have forgotten the lessons of Imperialism and Colonialism, but they are essentilly leftists with an unlimited arsenal. They are not even remotely “conservative” in the sense of Bill Buckley or George Will and pay homage to Conservatism only indomestic matters. In foreign policy, Right has become Left with a militant twist, and the rest of us are trying to deal with the pole shift.
    So the problem is that in most American’s hearts there is this idea that we are the White Knight destined to save the world. That idea sells. We embraced the soft power of liberalism during the cold war only because we had to, and we never really learned the lessons of non violent power. That utopianism, the single combat warrior, mythic heroes from Shane to John Wayne, to Clint Eastwood resonate in America, and that is not altogether a bad thing. So when we label the neocons the “war party” bent on death and destruction, and foolish military adventurism a great portion of our countrymen see only those willing to fight for truth justice and the american way.
    Reality is teaching us, and I expect the neocons, the lessons we whould have learned a long time ago. But ultimately if we are the party of “can’t do” of apeasing the forces of authoritarinism, we will loose. Instead , we have to embrace the goals of the neocons, i.e. to spread democrracy, and capitalism and pluralism, the worthy goals that have and always will “sell” but articulate a plan as to how we are going to accomplish that without the militarism. If we do not give our people a choice they will opt for reckless idealism over prudent defeatism every time.
    This has been terribly OT, but McAin for my money seems to “get it” and although I would prefer a more progressive candidate I believe that 7 years in a Hanoi cell have probably taught him the dangers of utopianism and the reality of war. Were he in the Whitehouse I doubt seriously we would be in this mess now.

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  36. Jack B. Nimble says:

    Iraq is and will be an albatross for McCain in ’08. It was a grand miscalculation on his part, one of many.

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  37. Sylvia I says:

    Steve,
    What is your definition of a “flaming bigot”?
    What, beyond calling a non-caucasian a macaque (2 times), hanging a confederate flag in his home and hanging a noose on a ficus tree in his office, would Allen have to do to convince you that he is a flaming bigot? Just curious.
    Sylvia

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  38. MP says:

    “If that is what politics hs become in America, then this grand experiment is OVER. It is up to US to refuse to accept this kind of governance, and if we do not soon find our voices than our democracy will be irretrievable.”
    I agree with your post here completely. The problem is, the truly honest folks tend not to run. So voters can either vote for lessers of…or howl in the wilderness. But staying away from the voting booth doesn’t do much. We already have an incredibly low turnout rate as is. And it simply leaves the playing field to the folks in power. WHY DON’T YOU RUN? I’m serious. Or start a third party? Unless voters can SEE an alternative, they won’t do anything. They need good leaders.

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  39. F M says:

    Steve,
    I think your observation that progressives should be supporting McCain is a great starting point. It makes perfect sense for progressives for numerous reasons that don’t need to be listed here.
    And while your “endorsement” may seem rovian, it doesn’t have that “politics for personal and corporate profit” edge that is the stalwart of the GOP strategy.
    Well said,

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  40. Unimpressed says:

    George Allen is a well fed BIGOT. Period.
    http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/08/detailed-look-at-gop-senator-george.html
    You lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. Embracing this treasonous, Confederate scum is unthinkable.

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  41. Pissed Off American says:

    No, POA, we just laud McCain’s embrace of his tolerance for homosexuality and any other thing that is repulsive to the far right so as to torpedo his chances in the primaries. We are against McCain being the Republican running for President. Can’t you understand this devious strategy? Laud McCain to political death; that should sound good to you.
    Posted by boca rat
    If that is what politics hs become in America, then this grand experiment is OVER. It is up to US to refuse to accept this kind of governance, and if we do not soon find our voices than our democracy will be irretrievable.

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  42. Hedley Lamarr says:

    You write about macaca: “…which some have tried to argue is a racist and demeaning term.”
    You need to do your homework here. There is no doubt that it is indeed a racist’s term.

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  43. boca rat on says:

    No, POA, we just laud McCain’s embrace of his tolerance for homosexuality and any other thing that is repulsive to the far right so as to torpedo his chances in the primaries. We are against McCain being the Republican running for President. Can’t you understand this devious strategy? Laud McCain to political death; that should sound good to you.

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  44. Pissed Off American says:

    Man, its amazes me that we can be so long winded and evasive when debating the REALITY of this administration and the politicians surrounding them. I mean Jesus Christ, lets get real here. These fuckers LIED this nation into a WAR. And those that weren’t doing the lying ALLOWED the lying to occur, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT IT WAS A PACK OF LIES. McCain is one of the worst. ANYONE complicit in embarking our nation on this horrible clusterfuck in Iraq IS NOT WORTHY of a leadership role, and instead should be languishing in a federal prison. Every man woman and child that has died as a result of our policies in Iraq has been MURDERED by the politicians that formed these policies, and by the politicians who are not screaming for impeachment and indictments. Has this nation reached the point where we just ACCEPT our politicians holding themselves above the law, and we actually LAUD the political credentials and history of those that are complicit in this disdain for our constitution???
    Not me, by God. These bastards such as McCain are anethema to EVERYTHING we stand for. Our political system has become A JOKE, and the joke is on us. Until we DEMAND accountability here, and equal applicatiom of the law, we DESERVE these lying posturing sons of bitches.
    Heres the deal…..
    WE WERE LIED INTO A WAR. PERIOD.
    DO WE REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT AND LAUD THE BASTARDS THAT LIED US INTO THIS MESS?
    If not, what are we going to do about it? What CAN we do about it???

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  45. bubba says:

    Steve, it is with much disappointment and regret that I read your “endorsement” of Mr. McCain in this post. I could have agreed with you, had I read it 4+ years ago. However, darn near everything Mr. McCain has done this past 4+ years shows that, although he might have showed personal courage in his military life, he has shown none in his political life these past 4+ years. He has had numerous opportunities to stand up to this administration on all sorts of divisive and just plain erroneus policies, and has failed to so so in each instance. He has placed party above country on almost every occasion. All for what, to win over the far right extremists? To garner contributions from those who would rather see this country torn apart than working together to actually solve problems? That shows not only a lack of political courage but a lack of principle and common sense. McCain does not deserve your support. Whatever respect he had earned he should have lost by now. If you truly want change in the current American political landscape you need to put down your rose colored glasses and see this man for what he has become–an out and out political coward who will will do anything, say anything just to become president. This country deserves more that that.

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  46. MP says:

    Steve writes: “I’m not that impressed by George Allen’s intellectual faculties and have a hard time believing that he would knowingly call someone a racial slur while he knew the camera was going.
    But the bigger issue here is that Allen is divisive. He’s not all that smart. He allegedly hung a Confederate flag and noose in his old office to remind himself of his state’s history.
    I don’t think he’s a flaming bigot, but he is the right guy for Dems to try and run against.So, what to do?
    Stop demonizing McCain, and start demonizing George Allen.”
    Steve, mostly I’m a bit confused by your post here. OTOH, you seem to have a moderate opinion of Allen, i.e., whether he’s a bigot or not. OTOH, you are suggesting we “demonize” him, I guess because this is the better strategy for beating him even if he doesn’t deserve it. Personally, I have trouble “demonizing” folks; but I have a lot of trouble doing it if they don’t deserve it. So, your post shows (to me) that you haven’t thought your thoughts or feelings about Allen–except that you’d like to seem him go. The post was pre-mature in that sense.
    It’s pretty clear that Allen is a bigot, whether “flaming” or not. That’s unacceptable in a public official. Beyond that, he’s just wrong on a lot of issues and needs to go. Beyond that, just at the level of competence, what has done for the state or country? Not much, as far as this Virginian can see.
    Virginia IS a weird state. We’re red as can be except around DC, where we’re true blue, and where we have the highest population density. We’re the former home of the confederacy and the first state (I believe) to have elected a black governor. Mark Warner, as a Dem who’s won in a red state, would be a strong presidential candidate.

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  47. Nell says:

    By the way, Allen _is_ a flaming bigot. And there’s nothing “alleged” about the noose and Confederate flag he had in his office. He needs to be voted out of the Senate this year.

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  48. Nell says:

    Too clever by half, Steve. There is a Senate race on, one we can win, one that could make the difference in taking back the Senate. Allen has demonstrated why he doesn’t belong in the office he holds, much less the White House.
    But instead of taking advantage of the moment, and urging support for Jim Webb — a man with intelligence, courage, and independence — you choose to focus on tricksy, Rovian positioning for 2008.
    Democrats need to offer voters reasons to believe we can turn this mess around. And we can. And if we do, we’ll be able to win against any Republican, including John McCain. Your post projects fear of his candidacy; that’s just the kind of cringing, weasely attitude that has turned independent voters off of Democrats.
    We can beat John McCain. He’s a hard-line militarist, a hypocrite in a bunch of ways (not least campaign financing), and in any case he’s going to have one hell of a time getting past the foaming fundamentalists that have taken over his party to win nomination.
    Policy is your strength, not politics.
    As a former DC Statehood supporter, I grieve that you have no Senators to represent you. But that frees you up to support Jim Webb! This is a great time to contribute: go to webbforsenate.org.

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  49. Easy E says:

    Haven’t heard diddly about Cheney lately. Maybe this is why: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N15401689.htm

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  50. Easy E says:

    Off Subject – The following is from Juan Cole’s Informed Comment
    Ray Close: The Building War on Iran
    http://www.juancole.com/2006/08/close-building-war-on-iran-ray-close.html

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  51. .... says:

    mlaw, 2nd great post from you in one day..thanks for sharing your views.

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  52. Pissed Off American says:

    I propose that we take up a collection to send POA, as our community’s representive, to Iran’s exhibition of Holocaust Cartoons where he could get his sense of humour back in whack while laughing himself sick. I’m sure he’d come back more relaxed and ready to hit the keys with a new refreshing outlook.
    “Iran displays Holocaust cartoons”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4795709.stm
    Posted by cela
    Ah yes, the ‘ol back door approach of “lets accuse POA of being an anti-semitic” without actually having the balls to say it, OR the BASIS for saying it.
    Anyone ever notice these kinds of cutless slimey back stabs are usually posted by heretofore never seen screen names? Suprise suprise.

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  53. Easy E says:

    To mlaw230 Aug.15th 7:44pm
    Excellent Post. Many of us powerless who are watching have very good ideas. Unfortunately, we are lacking leaders and enablers with knowledge and wisdom.

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  54. Den Valdron says:

    Gee Whiz Steve, I’m powerful curious. So this Allen guy gets the Rich White Man’s exemption for not uttering a racist slur in the middle of a room full of cracker? Gotcha.
    Y’know, this is one of those moments when your credibility takes a wobble, and I spot a glimpse of high heels and jack boots under that conservative moderate business suit.
    So, help me out, Steverino. What is it that you figure Allen meant when he used the word Maccaca?
    Hmmm?

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  55. marky says:

    Want to kill McCain’s candidacy?
    Do these things:
    1) Get Howard Dean to make some mildly positive–but believable—remarks about McCain every once in a while. Then make sure these remarks get a lot of play… perhaps by having progressives howl and scream over Dean supporting McCain. The ReFascists hate Dean even more than Hillary, and even the mildest endorsement of Dean would be the kiss of death for McCain
    2) Play that film clip in which McCain criticizes Cheney and then gets a call from Cheney right then. This is the clip—I believe it was from “Why we fight” that caused McCain’s campaign manager to go into major overdrive to show that McCain’s tongue was still firmly planted up Cheney’s butt.
    3) Play that pathetic clip from the 2000 NC primaary again.. make some cool video out of it, so people want to see it again.
    This video is great because it makes Bush look horrible, and makes McCain look like a girly loser at the same time.
    It’s possible that Kerry’s decisive mistake was when he chose to respect McCain’s wishes about not using that clip. It’s devastating.

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  56. mlaw230 says:

    When I was a child: When I was a child I believed in what I was told, I believed in what America “stood for”, like the Perishoner who finally learns that the liturgy is more than what the Priest says it is, ultimatley I learned, it is what it is and truth means something, in fact, means everything, despite what the priest says.
    The truth here is what it always is. We find what we expect to find, we have a church of “divine violence” and so do they. They mourn their dead as do we. We redefine selfdefense to whatever we want it ot be. It does not matter much how we define them or us.
    In the end, we will be sitting at a table trying to decipher what in the world the other side is saying, and some professor will write a treatise on what we didn’t know. Why don’t we learn?
    One reason is that the leaders of our country have not had to learn. We wonder why our leaders do not have the stature of past leaders, but the truth is, we know.
    The truth is that the leaders of this generation did not learn their lessons by watching the blood of their brothers drain into some distant swamp. They learned the lesson that there is “us” and “them”, the used and the user, the safe and those at risk, the privileged and the ordinary, and although there is a general feeling of appreciation there is also a feeling of expendability, – there are some people who are just more valuable than others.
    So as a nation we believe that if we apply enough power, enough terror, the other side will cave in even though it has never been shown to be true. yet we expect those less than ourselves to fold under pressure.
    So, Steve can try vainly to fine a medium, a fertile niche in which he can cast his reasonable seeds, yet we who watch know that we will be at war soon, on an unimaginable scale and there is not a thing we can do about it.

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  57. cela says:

    I propose that we take up a collection to send POA, as our community’s representive, to Iran’s exhibition of Holocaust Cartoons where he could get his sense of humour back in whack while laughing himself sick. I’m sure he’d come back more relaxed and ready to hit the keys with a new refreshing outlook.
    “Iran displays Holocaust cartoons”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4795709.stm

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  58. Easy E says:

    FEINGOLD-HAGLE ’08

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  59. Matthew says:

    We need Hagel. He’s the only one with half a chance who can at least articulate a foreign policy that wasn’t approved by AIPAC or the Saudi Royal Family.

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  60. plot says:

    Yo el dqueue,
    Steve ain’t sayin’ to be honest with yourself about how you feel about McCain and then being a straight shooter about it. Steve’s sayin’, we don’t want to have to run against McCain, so we become a poisin pill by trumpeting all his attributes that the Right wing primary voters dislike about McCain. And our embrace of McCain on issue the Right loathes will sink him in the primaries. Its a Judas kiss, we’re out to destroy McCain with our love. We wanna make Karl Rove proud of us. No straight shooter stuff, but demonic two faced political assassination! The devil’s work. Hope they don’t find out what we’re up to.
    “I love McCain’s complete unwavering tolerance of the homosexual lifestyle, he’s my man!”
    That’s the ticket!

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  61. dqueue says:

    I began to form an acceptable opinion of McCain some time ago; however, that opinion was rescinded at the moment he capitulated to the bush crime family last year. After the rove machine had thoroughly trashed and thrashed McCain, he went crawling back to them on hands and knees… Yeah, yeah, it’s just politics…
    I tend to believe McCain is rather smitten with the military industrial complex. While, he may not be in bed with the MI complex, he’s certainly comfortable enough to pull up a chair and sit down with them.
    With his capitulation to (and embrace of) bush, McCain sacrificed his spine, in my opinion. I can’t discern if his sacrifice was in his quest for power, or due to his blind fealty to the criminal president…

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  62. lester says:

    First things first, meaning let’s concentrate on winning this year meaning getting George Allen beaten in November. If we can beat him there he’s not running for President. Then after that’s done, we can love McCain to political death to get Brownback which may come under “be careful what you wish for, you just might get it,”, because if that guy wins in 2008 he’s way worse than Bush on Armageddon/Rapture/End Times issues at home and abroad!

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  63. Not a Liberal, if that's what you're thinking says:

    I have to say if you want McCain, go after the hypocrisy. DO NOT make Abortion a center issue here.
    To those who care about choice, I am down with you, but it’s a lose-lose as a political football. Attack the man’s hypocrisy, not his personal beliefs on abortion.
    I wish the Dems would not harp on abortion so much.

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  64. km4 says:

    Wes Clark ( if he runs ) will wipe the floor clean against ANY Republican opponent.
    I think Chuck Hagel may be tougher opponent than McCain.
    Regarding Allen he’s already ‘poxed’ and Jim Webb is going to beat him in VA.

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  65. Steve Clemons says:

    Earl — it’s all about the far Right Wing voters in the Republican primary process. They don’t trust McCain because they think he’s too progressive, though many progressives don’t believe it. Thanks, steve

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  66. earl says:

    I don’t understand the reverse psychology here. We can help Allen win the nomination if we start attacking him and begin singing McCain’s praises. Huh? I don’t see it.

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  67. Carroll says:

    A friend of mine wrote this article and it’s such a good short roundup of how we got to where we are now that it is worth reading just to keep your thinking on the straight and narrow as the Ministry of Propaganda bears down on us…personally I am not voting for anyone who doesn’t acknowledge the truth contained in this article and vow to do a 180 in our foreign affairs and condemn the mad dog loonies like Roberson and the zionist.
    Mad Dog On A Leash
    by Sheila Samples
    http://www.opednews.com
    See this page for links to articles on OpEdNEws that articulate both sides on the issues in the middle east. It is the goal of OpEdNews to air opinions from both sides to stretch the envelope of discussion and communication. Hate statements are not accepted. Discussions of issues and new ideas for solutions are encouraged. .
    “We should prepare to go on the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.”~~David Ben-Gurion, May 1948
    I have been stunned by many things on the US political scene since I was jerked violently awake on Nov. 22, 1963. However, one thing that simply flew under the cuckoo’s nest of my awareness was the total influence on our Congress; the control of our media, our courts, our universities, our entire society — even our religion — by the state of Israel. I had no idea.
    I’ve learned a lot about both Israel and the United States in the last five years — most of which I fervently wish I didn’t know. I learned very quickly in the wake of 9-11 that the neoconservatives in the US claim an ideological right — the Zionists in Israel a theological right — to do whatever they want to whomever they want whenever they want, and those who question their increasingly bloody aggression are labeled “anti-American” or “anti-Semitic.” Those who protest are ostracized from both religious and patriotic society (not to be confused with “civilized” society) and are immediately bombarded with ridicule and vicious ad hominems. Some receive death threats. Some receive death.
    I learned that there is a vast difference between Jews, or people of Israel, and the warmongering Zionists who control the state of Israel, just as there is between most American citizens and the cowardly neo-fascist chickenhawks who control the United States. The people of both regimes cry out against the barbaric genocide and ethnic cleansing perpetrated in their name — they shriek, they march in protest, but the world media pushed the “mute” button long ago, and no sound emerges from the weeping masses. As these two “democracies” force their way across the Middle East, it’s as if Charles Manson is stalking the innocent with a mad dog on a leash. Neither can be reasoned with, and no living creature in their path is safe. But it is easy to tell where they’ve been, because the landscape is littered with rotting corpses of innocent men, women and children, with mass graves and displaced millions fleeing for their lives.
    From the Frying Pan…
    The current conflict raging in the Middle East has less to do with self-defense or protecting the homeland than with zionist politics, Christo-fascist talking points and corporate media spin. It is a war of extermination — a carefully planned crusade for world dominion, and it has been simmering on US and Israeli back burners for decades.
    Every writer addressing this subject since George Bush was fraudently installed in the White House has pleaded with Americans to pay attention to the plan, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century” penned by Dick Cheney while he was defense secretary, by Donald Rumsfeld, Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz and Jeb Bush, which calls for seizing the world’s resources and establishing permanent military bases throughout the Middle East. That plan was immediately put in place and is being relentlessly carried out.
    Ninety pages too formidable? Okay, try the September 2002 “National Security Strategy of the United States of America,” whose 35 pages puts in place a barbaric pre-emptive war policy that destroys 230 years of honor, dignity, decency — and democracy. This manifesto was also written by Cheney and Wolfowitz, and is a direct result of behind-the-scenes input from then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Colin Powell.
    In his article, “Dick Cheney’s Song of America,” David Armstrong writes, “In early 1992, as Powell and Cheney campaigned to win congressional support for their augmented Base Force plan, a new logic entered into their appeals. The United States, Powell told members of the House Armed Services Committee, required “sufficient power” to “deter any challenger from ever dreaming of challenging us on the world stage.” To emphasize the point, he (Powell) cast the United States in the role of street thug. “I want to be the bully on the block,” he said, implanting in the mind of potential opponents that “there is no future in trying to challenge the armed forces of the United States.”
    Armstrong’s article is 11 easy-to-read, eye-opening pages and was entered into the Congressional Record by Rep. John Larson (D-CT) in Oct. 10, 2002 — one month after Cheney’s National Security Strategy was released.
    If you’re wondering what these homework assignments have to do with what’s going on in Lebanon, Israel and Gaza today, take a look at “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm,” a document written in 1996 by neoconservatives Douglas Feith, Richard Perle and David Wurmser, among others, for incoming Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. No more Mr. Good Guy when dealing with the Palestinians, “A Clean Break” calls for a hot pursuit policy — in effect, a familiar smoke ’em out, get ’em on the run and chase ’em clean out of the realm. Those who choose to stay and fight for their land will die. It’s their choice.
    “Clean Break,” although the Likudnik game plan, was written by American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) power-mad neocons, who fantasized that Israel could seize the “strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon,” and suggested that after these wars, which would all be successful, of course — Israel could reshape “the strategic balance in the Middle East” by attacking Saudi Arabia and Egypt. “Clean Break” is a mere six pages, and is a Zionist’s wet dream…
    Into The Fire…
    They can’t stop now. They wouldn’t, even if they could. The neo-cons’ thirst for blood has reached unquenchable proportions. No one has worked more feverishly for total Middle East war than the Weekly Standard’s ghoulishly grinning editor, Bill Kristol, who wrote in his July 24 “It’s Our War” that Hezbollah is intent on wiping Israel off the map for Iran, and now is the time to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities.
    “Why wait?” Kristol asked. “Does anyone think a nuclear Iran can be contained? That the current regime will negotiate in good faith? It would be easier to act sooner rather than later. Yes, there would be repercussions-and they would be healthy ones, showing a strong America that has rejected further appeasement.”
    Then there’s Dick Cheney, the madman who pulls the levers, who is chillingly indifferent to suffering and — being bloodless himself — doesn’t see what all the fuss is about. Cheney’s plans go beyond just controlling the world’s resources; he knows he won’t be here much longer, so he’s desperate to seize all the riches, if you will, and take them with him. In this administration, Cheney is the “go to” guy for arrogant, barbaric murder.
    According to journalist Seymour Hersh, whose article, “Watching Lebanon,” will be published in the Aug. 21 issue of the New Yorker, Israeli officials came to Washington earlier this summer “to get a green light for the bombing operation and to find out how much the United States would bear.”
    Hersh writes that “Israel began with Cheney. It wanted to be sure that it had his support and the support of his office and the Middle East desk of the National Security Council.” After getting Cheney’s blessing, Hersh said he was told, “persuading Bush was never a problem, and Condi Rice was on board.”
    And evangelical Zionists, such as Pat Robertson, who are lusting for Armeggedan, at last see an opportunity to rid the Holy Land of the Palestinians. Only after a crusade wherein the entire Middle East explodes in a tsunami of blood –only then will Robertson be swept up in glory, leaving the rest of us below to choke to death on depleted uranium dust and to drown in the blood of the innocent.
    Those of you who don’t know Robertson are, well, damn lucky. Robertson makes Charles Manson look like a pussy. As far back as 1985, Robertson told his brain-dead followers that God wants all Palestinians exterminated. “God told the Israelites to kill them all — men, women and children — to destroy them,” Robertson said.
    What are we to think of that? Robertson, God’s most vocal confidant, says Palestinians are an abomination — a contagion for which there is no cure and whose only function is to “cause trouble for the Israelites, and pull the Israelites away from God, and prevent the truth of God from reaching the Earth.” He explained it was “more merciful” to kill Palestinians sooner rather than later because if they continue to reproduce, Israel will be burdened with having more to kill in the future. According to Robertson, the only way to look at such mass extinction is, “God, in love, took away a small number so that He might not have to take away a large number.”
    Last, but not least, we have Israel’s militant leaders — and America’s Decider, George Bush. The Zionists are very good at what they do, whether blowing things apart with US bombs and missiles or crushing everything in their path with US bulldozers. But don’t take my word for it. In his book, “You Gentiles,” Maurice Samuels (p.155) wrote, “We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.”
    One has only to stumble through the ruins of Sabra, Shatilla, Jenin, Gaza and Qana — to recall the torture, assassinations, collective punishment of civilians, destruction of infrastructure, denying sustenance to those dying of thirst and hunger — to realize that Israel is the “cod piece” of the Middle East. The Zionists who control it make Charles Manson’s mad dog look like a pussy.
    And, what of George Bush — what part is he playing in all of this? It is incomprehensible to believe he is in charge of, even aware of, anything. In recent weeks, I have watched Bush, the man at the helm of the most powerful nation on earth, run and hide, blather and bumble his way thorugh fund-raising speeches, make an ass of himself at the G8 Summit gathering in Russia, crudely grope another world leader, and refuse to discuss anything more serious than “slicing the pig.”
    Two weeks into the Lebanon crisis, wherein “Condi,” as Bush crudely calls this nation’s Secretary of State, lurched around the Middle East and was sent home empty-handed — twice — he was finally backed into a corner and asked about the bombs dropping on Lebanon and the Hezbollah rockets raining down on Israel. Bush responded inanely that Israel was merely exercising its right to defend itself,” before launching into his familiar, Texas-style “Remember the 9-11 Alamo…”
    Are We Done Yet?
    These widely different factions have divergent goals but they need each other to achieve them, and their eyes are riveted on a single prize — Iran. This oil-rich nation must be brought to its knees before the neo-cons can have their New World Order, before Cheney can control the world’s resources, before Israel can have its final solution in the Holy Land, before Bush can spread freedom and democracy and death and rid the world of yet another safe haven for plotters and planners and evil terrorists…. Iran is all that is standing between true believers and their ascension into Heaven. The same people who lied us into the Iraq war are telling the same lies about Iran — the WMDs are now nuclear bombs, and no UN resolution, no US Congress, no US media will stop the madness.
    They will have their war, knowing full well that an assault on a nation fully capable of retaliation will sign the death warrants of millions of innocents as well as of every US service member on the ground in the Middle East. Unfortunately, such losses carry little weight with all but a handful of the members of the US Congress and the majority of the American people who blindly support Zionist Israel and who advocate ethnic cleansing as a final solution to the problems of the Middle East.
    Edward Said, the late Palestinian-American theorist, wrote one month before the Iraq invasion, “We cannot in any way lend our silence to a policy of war that the White House has openly announced will include three to five hundred cruise missiles a day (800 of them during the first 48 hours of the war) raining down on the civilian population of Baghdad in order to produce “Shock and Awe”, or even a human cataclysm that will produce … a Hiroshima-style effect on the Iraqi people… What sort of God would want this to be a formulated and announced policy for His people? And what sort of God would claim that this was going to bring democracy and freedom to the people not only of Iraq but to the rest of the Middle East?”
    Said pleaded with the American people to speak out before it’s too late. “Who knows what more evil will be done in the name of Good?” Said asked. “Every one of us must raise our voices, and march in protest, now and again and again. We need creative thinking and bold action to stave off the nightmares planned by a docile, professionalised staff in places like Washington and Tel Aviv and Baghdad. For if what they have in mind is what they call “greater security” then words have no meaning at all in the ordinary sense…The question is, how long can they keep getting away with it?”
    How long, indeed. Look around. They have come for the others. Only we the people remain, and most of us are blind to our shame, our national disgrace. If we do not raise our voices now and again and again, we will be done. Then, God help us, we will realize — too late — that we are all Charles Mansons now.
    Sheila Samples is an Oklahoma writer and a former civilian US Army Public Information Officer.

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  68. MP says:

    Steve wrote: “For Dems to beat McCain — and I don’t see many who can right now — it’s best to get realistic about his strengths and weaknesses.”
    Perhaps by attacking him on not being straight talking enough and drawing a bright line around those issues that are less well publicized, e.g., unnuanced, anti-choice stance. Serious hypocrisy on the Bob Jones and religious right angle. He claims to be honest; hold his feet to the fire. Get him to lose his temper and seem crazy like Dean was made to look. “Do you want this man with his finger on the button?” Use his record against him. Dog him in each “market” to keep him from fudging his positions to suit the moment.

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  69. croatoan says:

    When you say “to remind himself of his state’s history,” you mean California, right? Mr. Sidarth’s a native Virginian; George Allen was born and raised in California.

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  70. MP says:

    “But we also need a more probing consideration of the forces that have made all this possible.”
    John, I’m glad you printed and linked to this post by Josh. I think it’s incredibly important and should be mined for all its meaning. It’s important, even, to go beyond white supremacy. A LOT of folks voted for Bush, even the SECOND time when all of his spots were clearly discernible. Now that the CONSEQUENCES are more fully developed, some of his supporters may be having second thoughts. But still, a lot of Americans voted for Bush with eyes wide open. And a lot of people don’t agree with us.
    That says a lot about how we need to run the upcoming elections if we want to win.

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  71. Frank says:

    Allen’s “Macaca” remark tore the mask off his racist character. He competes with Bush in the braindead category, hence an excellent choice for the republican nomination for president.
    As for McCain, his support for Bush, after giving McCain the finger on the “torture” bill (not to mention the 2000 South Carolina primary), trashed McCain’s principled statemanship qualitys. He has, sadly, become an excellent example of how low a politician will stoop (bow) to in order to become president.

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  72. Zathras says:

    God. More aspiring 2008 campaign strategists.
    Look, if you want to beat George Allen, then beat George Allen. He’s a not very productive Senator with a potentially strong opponent in what promises to be a lousy year for Republicans. What are you waiting for?
    Truth is, Virginia right now is more a Republican state than a Democratic one, at least on national issues, so a Republican candidate for Senate, especially an incumbent is going to start with an advantage. My guess is that’s the only way a Democratic candidate like Jim Webb gets nominated; he was Reagan’s Navy Secretary, he isn’t famous for being enthusiastic about proliferating lawsuits or slaughtering inconvenient unborn children or making Israel the 51st state or any of the other causes near and dear to the hearts of the organized interest groups that dominate, nay own the Democratic Party.
    But he’s the Democratic candidate now, and with enough money and a competently run campaign he could win. That’s not enough?

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  73. Carroll says:

    I don’t think McCain will be the secret for the repubs winning….regardless of who the dems put up…unless of course it is Hillary.
    But a couple of things about McCain..just in case anyone is thinking of voting for him if he does get the nod.
    McCain came across as a moderate during his run against Bush…BUT….there is something bubbling under the surface with McCain…a sort of “temper” always waiting to happen that you can see he has to work very hard to contain. I wouldn’t trust him in a position where he could use that temper any more than I trust clueless cowbaby.
    As for his being against torture…he could hardly can come out in favor of it considering his experience. So that didn’t take much courage. Had he not been against it he really would have been considered a nutcase.
    The only repub I have heard that makes any sense is Hagle ..and I am still waiting to hear anything from most dem hopefuls. John Edwards is still pounding away on his “one America” and the rest are still fence straddling according to which way the wind is blowing on any given day.
    I wonder what would happen if a repub and dem joined up in a run for 2008? How about a Hagel-Edwards?…how about anything different from the usual crapola?

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  74. Doginfollow says:

    Steve,
    Congratulations on a very Rovian post. Except the trick is not to convince Republicans that Democrats and independents would love to vote FOR McCain, but rather that Democrats would love to run AGAINST McCain. (See Karl Rove’s strategically placed comments about Howard Dean circa January 2004).
    McCain’s crossover appeal is no secret to the GOP, nor is the fact that he is not a down-the-line kool-aid drinker. They won’t nominate him if they don’t think they have to. But they might think they have to, given the current administration’s unpopularity and the extent to which it continues to discredit the right.
    Praising McCain just feeds this dynamic, and assures his nomination. But if Democrats start punching holes in McCain’s moderate armor, that will dent his general election appeal. Then Republicans will think (hopefully), if moderates are cool to McCain anyway, why not go with a true believer instead? Someone like George Allen.
    QED.

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  75. John Powers says:

    Josh Marshall made a point yesterday:
    President Bush and his acolytes and enablers deserve all the blame in the world. But it’s not sufficient. As Americans I think we need to grapple with what’s happened. And it goes beyond President Bush. He did after all win reelection. He marginally expanded his congressional majorities. In the rough and tumble of the political moment, the fight needs to be taken to the president and his party. But we also need a more probing consideration of the forces that have made all this possible.
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009417.php
    One of those “forces” is white supremacy. I don’t agree that Democrats should embrace McCain because he is a “movement conservative.” His pilgrimage to Bob Jones University is easy evidence for it. Every bit as much “code” as Allen’s bullying racist slur. There’s no use in ignoring what’s right in front of our eyes.
    Marshall is right that the problem is us. White folks like me don’t want to point a finger lest two fingers get pointed back at me. Still white supremacy is an ugly ideology and we’d all do well to face what’s so convenient to ignore.

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  76. John Powers says:

    Josh Marshall made a point yesterday:
    President Bush and his acolytes and enablers deserve all the blame in the world. But it’s not sufficient. As Americans I think we need to grapple with what’s happened. And it goes beyond President Bush. He did after all win reelection. He marginally expanded his congressional majorities. In the rough and tumble of the political moment, the fight needs to be taken to the president and his party. But we also need a more probing consideration of the forces that have made all this possible.
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009417.php
    One of those “forces” is white supremacy. I don’t agree that Democrats should embrace McCain because he is a “movement conservative.” His pilgrimage to Bob Jones University is easy evidence for it. Every bit as much “code” as Allen’s bullying racist slur. There’s no use in ignoring what’s right in front of our eyes.
    Marshall is right that the problem is us. White folks like me don’t want to point a finger lest two fingers get pointed back at me. Still white supremacy is an ugly ideology and we’d all do well to face what’s so convenient to ignore.

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  77. John Powers says:

    Josh Marshall made a point yesterday:
    President Bush and his acolytes and enablers deserve all the blame in the world. But it’s not sufficient. As Americans I think we need to grapple with what’s happened. And it goes beyond President Bush. He did after all win reelection. He marginally expanded his congressional majorities. In the rough and tumble of the political moment, the fight needs to be taken to the president and his party. But we also need a more probing consideration of the forces that have made all this possible.
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009417.php
    One of those “forces” is white supremacy. I don’t agree that Democrats should embrace McCain because he is a “movement conservative.” His pilgrimage to Bob Jones University is easy evidence for it. Every bit as much “code” as Allen’s bullying racist slur. There’s no use in ignoring what’s right in front of our eyes.
    Marshall is right that the problem is us. White folks like me don’t want to point a finger lest two fingers get pointed back at me. Still white supremacy is an ugly ideology and we’d all do well to face what’s so convenient to ignore.

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  78. John Powers says:

    Josh Marshall made a point yesterday:
    President Bush and his acolytes and enablers deserve all the blame in the world. But it’s not sufficient. As Americans I think we need to grapple with what’s happened. And it goes beyond President Bush. He did after all win reelection. He marginally expanded his congressional majorities. In the rough and tumble of the political moment, the fight needs to be taken to the president and his party. But we also need a more probing consideration of the forces that have made all this possible.
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009417.php
    One of those “forces” is white supremacy. I don’t agree that Democrats should embrace McCain because he is a “movement conservative.” His pilgrimage to Bob Jones University is easy evidence for it. Every bit as much “code” as Allen’s bullying racist slur. There’s no use in ignoring what’s right in front of our eyes.
    Marshall is right that the problem is us. White folks like me don’t want to point a finger lest two fingers get pointed back at me. Still white supremacy is an ugly ideology and we’d all do well to face what’s so convenient to ignore.

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  79. Pissed Off American says:

    “POA, my question to you then is, who DO we support?”
    The first person that finally, and publically, tells Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush to go f**k themselves, and works activelly to throw their treasonous lying asses in a federal penitentiary.

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  80. Pissed Off American says:

    “You know I’m not a cookie cutter progressive…This is not a place to come to read material that just affirms what you want to hear.”
    Oh come on Steve. Have I REALLY given you the impression I come here just to “affirm what I want to hear”? You have your take on McCain, I have mine. But the bottiom line is that the media gives us these frauds on a silver platter, and if they weren’t “affirming what Americans want to hear” they wouldn’t be bandied in front of our faces as viable “candidates”.
    The depth and the extent of the criminal actions of this administration are such that ANY politician that is not screaming for impeachment has completely lost touch with what this country was supposed to be. McCain simply reads from his own particular script, and damn the truth, and to hell with telling us what he will REALLY do if he gets the Monkey’s Boy’s position as President. Simply put, it is the ONLY way these bastards can assume office these days, is by lying and posturing. And THAT fact is only relevent if you completely IGNORE an electoral system that is IRREFUTABLY corrupt and rigged. So you can spoon feed us these so called “candidates” till hell freezes over, and it won’t change the fact that if they have a shot at the presidency it is only by the virtue of the fact that they are lying scum. Because if you AREN’T lying scum, then you can’t play the game in Washington.
    PERIOD.

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  81. MP says:

    “George Allen comes across as a bad actor playing a bad salesman in a bad B movie.”
    The question is…to whom? To a lot of Virginians, he doesn’t; that’s why he got elected (in part). You and I may see him that way, but we can’t settle the VA senatorial race alone. And viewing him that way doesn’t really help us throw him out.

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  82. MP says:

    “I get depressed everytime I see Steve act as though ANY of these assholes are worthy.”
    POA, my question to you then is, who DO we support? It’s an honest question. Conyers can’t run in every district and state. I think we have to support folks who are going to move the ball forward, if only a little bit. In fact, at this point, I might settle for someone who “did no harm.”

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  83. Marcia says:

    I think McCain is too old to be a valid candidate. He is from another time, he caved on his own torture bill, is too hawkish and rigid under the smiling grand-daddy can give a smack or a candy exterior.
    George Allen comes across as a bad actor playing a bad salesman in a bad B movie. He does not seem to have much to sell at any rate. A bad actor carrying an empty suitcase.
    Both would make bad presidents so the Democrats had better get a candidate capable of offering some backbone and enthusiasm. No matter how bad the situation every generation needs hope.

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  84. Steve Clemons says:

    POA — John McCain has many outstanding qualities. He’s not a shill for the military industrial complex. He understands realism in war — though I completely disagree with him on the Iraq War and would be running against that vulnerability of his if running as a Dem challenger. He was willing to sacrifice political capital on the torture issue — and lots of other things. I won’t demonize McCain, who made a huge mistake speaking at Falwell’s university — but who has many other strengths.
    For Dems to beat McCain — and I don’t see many who can right now — it’s best to get realistic about his strengths and weaknesses.
    You know I’m not a cookie cutter progressive…This is not a place to come to read material that just affirms what you want to hear.
    I think McCain is a very formidable and impressive challenger — and I think Dems better figure out how to run against George Allen or Sam Brownback if they want to win.
    best,
    Steve

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  85. Pissed Off American says:

    I get depressed everytime I see Steve act as though ANY of these assholes are worthy. McCain? WTF has that posturing opportunist done for America lately, except talk a good rap, only to promptly re-assume his position kneeling under Bush’s desk?
    Bottom line, if they are powerful enough and in enough pockets that the media is willing to give them the time of day and tout them as candidates, then you can bet your bottom dollar that they are lying conniving human trash.

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