Who Chose Sarah Palin?

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Rumors are swirling that Tim Pawlenty is furious – that he was on the edge of McCain announcing he was the GOP VP running mate – but that at the last moment, that course was rejected in favor of a person McCain met once, six months ago, and did not interview again.
Huckabee is not pleased that he wasn’t even vetted – and he’s letting his followers know.
But it may be that Alaska Governor Sarah Palin wasn’t vetted either!
How did Palin get the job?
This piece by Tristan Snell at Open Left is worth taking a look at:

Who chose Palin?
Well, it certainly wasn’t John McCain.
McCain only met Palin once, six months ago. Unlike every other major party VP nominee in recent memory, Palin did not meet McCain for a final interview before her selection.
A few weeks ago, she wasn’t in the running at all. The scandals and unorthodoxies involving Palin — she flip-flopped on the Bridge to Nowhere and even raised sales taxes on her small town to pay for an overpriced boondoggle — show that the McCain campaign didn’t vet her.
The McCains and Palins looked visibly awkward together, not even speaking as they went their separate ways on a brief shopping trip in Ohio yesterday.
McCain is on record as saying he wanted a running mate with whom he had a strong personal relationship — and who was ready to be president.
This was clearly not his pick. So again: Who chose Palin?
Was it Dick Cheney? Or Karl Rove? Or maybe James Dobson?

Read the rest here.
— Steve Clemons

Comments

134 comments on “Who Chose Sarah Palin?

  1. Hydraulic Valve says:

    Love it,Jack should weigh in on this Trig kid outrage which will only get worse until he takes to the podium and gives Sarah a way to back off her story gracefully.

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  2. Thomas W says:

    Glib and incompetent.. just another Bush/ Rove nominee. This one wears lipstick.

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  3. Palin, A Cinderella Story says:

    .
    Palin, in the next chapter of her Cinderella story has advice for
    women who want to be President, “If you work hard and keep
    your nose clean, you too can have a rich, powerful man come
    and whisk you off to Washington.”
    Her accomplishments to date include: abuse of power whereby
    she fired at least seven highly placed elected officials for calling
    her names and yet with a small smile still manages to convince
    the republicans that she will fight corrupt politicians! Best aerial
    killer of wolves, most drilling for oil in national wildlife refuges,
    largest recipient of pork ear marks (yes you can put lipstick on a
    pig if you’re slippery enough).
    The one however, that will be held in the archives of history is
    how in just ten days, in the guise of a Trojan moose, she has
    managed to distract the country from one big truth: the havoc
    that George Bush and the Republican Party have wrought, and
    that John McCain is committed to continuing.”
    She is also the first political candidate that can have it both
    ways. She can viciously lash out lies and personal sleaze against
    her opponents, but calls in the troops (not Trooper-gate, they
    don’t like her) but the media to lash out when someone calls
    her names. Sources have said that the Bush doctrine has
    recently been revised; the number of acceptable things
    candidates can say have been severely limited. Words not
    acceptable include: God, Trooper, Lipstick, Pig, Abortion,
    Abstinance, Prochoice, Viagra/Birth Control, Unwed, Pregnant,
    Economy, Iraq, Charlie, and Bush doctrine.
    This ultimately really helps McCain. Even though the majority of
    the republican speechwriters have all be assigned to, and are
    frantically working on getting Palin up to speed, one poor soul
    has been reserved for Sen. John McCain whose goal is to
    attempt to combine words and phrases in such a way as to not
    provoke a tight-jawed, dead-eyed smile from the presidential
    hopeful, and has cut several phrases that had the potential to
    draw the 72-year-old candidate’s mouth open in a horrifying
    display of teeth and gums.
    McCain’s campaign is focused on history. We must keep in mind
    that his whole, and only justification for running for president,
    is his war record, which includes: Distinguished Flying Cross
    (Vietnam War); Silver Star (World War II); Bronze Star (Crimean
    War) awards.
    Election 08 WOW, after the stupidity of the Bush reign, what
    does the world think of us now?

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  4. Nichol Draper says:

    What’s this idea that some committee does a better job at vetting a candidate than the public. Sara was elected over a Republican and a Democrat in Alaska. John McCain knows that the citizens of Alaska are better than any Washington committee that Obama has. And Obama is clearly second guessing his reliance on his committee that provided him with a steady decline in the polls. Maybe Obama’s committee needs to be vetted.

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  5. patricia seagrove says:

    If the news people really are doing their job, they will get us answers to the following:
    Sarah Palin doesn’t believe in global warming. what does she base those beliefs? What are the details as to why she thinks being a community organizer does less resposible work than a governor? Is cutting waste in government code for cutting social and educational programs – how does she demonstrate that? Will her version of education reform extend beyond introducing creationism and replacing sex education with abstinence education? Recently, Michael Leavitt introduced a rule change to allow pharmacists who believe birth control pills are abortion since they prevent fertilized eggs from implanting in the womb to not have to dispense birth control pills. Is Sarah Palin in favor of that?

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  6. nurseforuniversalhealthcare says:

    In spite of all the “off-topic” discussions here (about her pregnancy, etc), the bottom line is that she does not have the experience one would expect and desire for such an important position. Limited experience, indeed and certainly not an expert in anything! Is this the best person in the entire country for the job? Really?? She only got her passport last year!! I have more foreign experience than she does!! My God, we are selling our country short. We deserve the best and the brightest.

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  7. Alison Amburst says:

    Check out this news piece – I saw it while looking at other news sites from various countries to see their coverage. Although McCain’s people say they vetted her, too bad they didn’t ask permission from the owners of the song Barracuda before they cranked it out at the convention.
    Details are here… It is from CBC – the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
    http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2008/09/07/heart-barracuda.html

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  8. del3 says:

    Governor Palin really Rocks!
    She has the same positions, ideas and energy policies as Governor George W Bush. Hearing her nomination speech was almost as exciting as Governor George W Bush’s speech in 2000. When she is in the White House I know we will get the same thing we have gotten from a true American social conservative like George W Bush. It is good to hear she can continue the same platform of fixing Washington that GW promised in 2000.
    I also really admire how Governor Palin has the same executive leadership experience as Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, she even has the same folksy way he does, and is dedicated to putting the rights of the unborn first before her country. I was really excited when Huckabee shared his fondness for squirrel meat to the viewers of the Daily Show, but moose stew that is even better.
    I was really impressed that in her speech she stated energy plans identical to what President George W Bush said in his State of the Union speech. Drilling is the only answer and then lies about supporting renewable energy.
    I also really admire her sarcastic insults they are almost as good as Mayor Giuliani’s, she is just as effective as Mayor Guiliani in mentioning 911 in every speech. I wonder if that is just a coincidence or a gimmick, having your son joint the army on 911, just so you can talk about 911 in every speech. It doesn’t matter the important thing is she can say 911 at every speech at least two or three times and we know her entire family is dedicated to supporting Bush and McCain to fight God’s War for another 100 years. Seeing how proud she is that her son will help continue the war in Iraq we know she probably expects you to send your children to fight God’s War also. I wonder if any one will be allowed to ask her about that between now and November?
    Governor Sarah Palin has the sarcasm of Mayor Guiliani, the leadership abilities of Governor Huckabee, the same policy ideas of Governor George W Bush and the honesty of Vice President Dick Cheney.
    She has all the same qualities as the people running Washington today. She has the same religious point of view, the same ideas and policies and plans for energy, the same support for the war in Iraq, the same lack of interest in economic or health care issues, but she passed the critical question about gays and the unborn, the two most important issues to every American. I don’t care if I have a job or not as long as Sarah is rockin’ in Washington with her husband the First Dude protecting the rights of the unborn that is all any American should care about.
    Republican VP Candidate Sarah Palin needs to answer a lot of questions from the American people before she earns the right to govern our country. The first question she needs to answer is what she thinks of President George W Bush and Dick Cheney. She really needs to explain what she thinks of VP Dick Cheney and convince the American how she knows what is wrong with the Washington that is being run by VP Cheney and why anyone should believe that she will be any different. Everything she has said so far sounds the same as George W Bush.

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  9. Kathleen says:

    pauline for Veep!!!! Who chose McCain’s veep? …his internal pollster….it’s called how to keep Repugs from drifiting to Bob Barr….
    CNN is reporting that the Dem convnetion bounce was only 1%…sounds more like a dribble. Biden’s choice caused a 2% dip…Hillary’s speech a 13 point spike… Bill’s down to 8 points. BO down to 1…so go figure.

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  10. Tahoe Editor says:

    Lady, how do you think the right wing reproduces? With Stepford Wife robots who can’t vote? Or with real human women with their own brains who can vote and hate Hillary Clinton with every fiber of their being? And they have daughters who can vote, too.
    Are you shocked, absolutely shocked that Margaret Thatcher & Angela Merkel are CONSERVATIVES?
    Clarence Thomas gets to the Supreme Court first; I’m guessing Palin’s got a better shot at VP than any liberal woman (save Hillary).
    “PALIN = TRAILER-PARK TRASH” — Print up the signs for our Meetup.
    The Dems are so on message.

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  11. Louise says:

    I don’t know who your “women friends” are — but my women friends — and myself — find Sarah Palin to be an insult to women politicians and to women in general. And her family, while somewhat average, is a joke when you look at them on the national stage.
    We also think the press has given Palin and McCain too MUCH of an easy deal.
    And, finally we find the hypocrisy of the MSM, the Republican Party and Fundamentalist Christians to be breathtakingly SINFUL AND SHAMEFUL.
    Is that clear enough for you?
    After how the Obamas had to “prove” they were patriotic and “real” Americans, it is disgusting to find out that all it takes to be considered “authentic” and “All-American” by the Right Wing in this country is to act like Trailer Park Trash. Trailer Park Trash that is able to get their own segment on The Gerry Springer Show.
    It has been sickening. And if this continues to play out — that less educated, less accomplished white people can act in immoral and ignorant ways while educated and substantive minorities have to be saints — this country is truly a racist and shameful place.

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  12. Tahoe Editor says:

    Touché
    Let’s see what happens in the debates.

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  13. Arun says:

    Tahoe Editor,
    It is wonderful, simply peachy, that the Republicans have such a wonderful vice-presidential candidate. Now if only she wasn’t so dragged down by the top of the ticket!

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  14. Tahoe Editor says:

    GERARD BAKER: Sarah Palin vs. Barack Obama
    Democrats, between sniggers of derision and snorts of disgust, contend that Sarah Palin, John McCain’s vice presidential pick, is ridiculously unqualified to be president.
    It’s a reasonable objection on its face except for this small objection: It surely needs to be weighed against the Democrats’ claim that their own candidate for president is self-evidently ready to assume the role of most powerful person on the planet.
    At first blush, here’s what we know about the relative experience of the two candidates. Both are in their mid-forties and have held statewide elective office for less than four years. Both have admitted to taking illegal drugs in their youth.
    So much for the similarities. How about the differences?
    Read on:
    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/09/looks_like_sara/index.php#comment-114062

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  15. Mark says:

    “Circumstantial evidence”? Good God Steve, this was something more like the 9/11 “Truth Movement”. This was a stretch at every level. This was something which should have been vetted in private, before aired in public.
    The press gave Bill Clinton more air cover vetting the Monica story.
    This was a bizarre, invented story based on wishful thinking of radical leftists.
    Pictures were shown (all with either heavy winter clothes, or black business outfits) with statements (i.e., “look at this picture, she doesn’t look pregnant”) right out of the method used by “Loose Change”. None of those sets of pictures showed any of the numerous pictures of Palin from the summer of 2007, showing her to be a skinny as a rail, 7-10 mile a day runner.
    This was a smear attempt, pure and simple.

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  16. Mark says:

    Let’s see, a far-left blog site’s wacky opinions are worth repeating?
    But wacky leftist opinions are so much more interesting than facts.
    Here is a much better article on the subject:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002377_pf.html

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  17. Arun says:

    There is a Washington Times article, July 31, 2008, where Grover Norquist and Newt Gingrich are quoted as saying that Sarah Palin would be an excellent choice for VP.
    If one examines the posts at palinforvp.blogspot.com, it seems there has been a campaign of sorts in the right-wing for Palin to be selected.
    And I think for now, that is the closest we’re going to come to answering who chose Sarah Palin?

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  18. questions says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/01/education/01school.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
    Bushonomics hitting school kids and school districts. Ever go to school without decent shoes? Ever not have 70 CENTS for lunch?
    Increased poverty, increased homelessness, school hours and buses and teachers and support personnel cut back, fewer field trips…. And NCLB sanctions at the end of the year.
    A legit pregnancy just asks the flight question anyway. It’s lose-lose for judgment.

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  19. pauline says:

    Steve,
    You are really convinced of Sullivan’s few shown photos as THE deciding evidence? Really?
    Please go back to Sullivan’s original post with the 17 year old holding the baby, wedding ring on her finger, and search out the other family pictures that show the teen with an early “pregnancy bump”. And explain with much more convincing evidence the teen’s missing months from school (mono?) that conveniently match when she would have fully shown her own pregnancy.
    Then go to the closest costume/wardrobe department and find a choice of “pregnancy” pillows. Ever see your favorite actress play a “pregnant” role?
    Sorry, I definitely need a lot more to convince me.
    Steve, please, politics is a great deal of theater and make-believe. That isn’t too much of a pregnant thought, is it?

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  20. pauline says:

    I talked to my dad last night and he said, “Palin is looking more and more like a Thomas Eagleton”.
    see —
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Eagleton
    I’ve read countless blogs in the past 72 hours on Palin and the one I can’t find again at this moment was an interview in March, 2008, in an Alaskan airport by a Palin supporter where she had someone else take a picture of both of them together. Granted it was a mini-interview of Palin, but my astounding discoveries were (1) even though they both had coats on, Palin DID NOT APPEAR TO BE pregnant which at this late date she would have been 8 months or so and (2) not one question or comment from the Palin supporter about the Palin pregnancy, not even a “good luck” comment from this supporter. hmm. . .
    I also noted the hospital has pulled their daily birth report for the supposed birthdate. Isn’t it required to make public a birth record?
    If Rove or Cheney were responsible for picking more than their noses, both of them would have property vetted to avoid another embarassing “Eagleton-like” candidate. Did the indicted, “crooked bridge to nowhere” Ted Stevens have his dirty hands in it?
    imo, either McCrankster is so incompetent, which is possible, or his “pickers” knew exactly what they were doing and have other plans working deep in the dark basement of the WH.
    Steve, we don’t know and can’t know, so you’re question doesn’t have a public answer. You could find out a whole easier over a DC cocktail weenie than any of us in the hinterlands. This one won’t be as easy though as outing Biden as the dem VP.
    Good luck Steve!

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  21. Paul Norheim says:

    ON TOPIC: WHO CHOSE SARAH PALIN?
    Frankly, when I first heard that McCain had picked Sarah Palin
    as his VP, I wasn`t very surprised. I thought: this is a cynical
    and tactical choice – not neocon, not classical “realist”, and not
    “moderate”; rather something Karl Rove could have come up
    with after some hours behind his calculator.
    Since my parents were missionaries, and I have relatives who
    are very conservative Born Again Christians, I know the
    Evangelical Christians, and thought that my mother, if she were
    alive, would have loved and admired Palin, because of her out
    door activities, her faith, but especially her positions on
    abortion, creationism etc. Palin may also steal some PUMA
    voters, but especially countless votes of undecided women who
    are less concerned about issues, and more interested in
    “personalities” and “her story”.
    I was not shocked. In Europe, I think we got our first big shock
    re. US politics when the American people elected an ex-actor
    from Hollywood: Ronald Reagan. Our second shock came when
    the people of California elected an actor as their governor:
    Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    So why not pick the governor of Alaska?
    And who could say, regardless of their political positions, that
    Reagan or Schwarzenegger was worse than the average
    president or governor? Not me. And not anyone I know.
    I think we even had an explanation for this. It goes like this
    (perhaps familiar to you Americans as well?): An American
    government does not depend on the “man in charge”. He is
    basically a puppet, a pretty face – an actor. The important
    people are hidden behind him: a big administration and an even
    bigger bureaucracy. And behind them: the “military-industrial-
    congressional complex” and the corporate media.
    That was the theory. And if that theory is correct, you could as
    well elect Paris Hilton as your first female president.
    However, there are three factors that currently don`t fit into
    that theory, and they are relevant to the choice of Sarah Palin.
    The first is the fact that under Bush, the power of the president
    has been increased to an unprecedented level. The second is the
    fact that the power of the VP has been increased to an
    unprecedented level. The third factor is that America is at war
    with two countries, and has declared a less specified “global war
    on terror” with huge actual and potential implications.
    In addition, there is a transfer of economical power from the
    West to the BRIC-countries. The US military is currently
    overstreched. Russia is telling the world that they should not be
    underestimated or treated disrespectfully.
    How does Sarah Palin fit into all this? She does not fit into it at
    all.
    In the current geopolitical situation, with actual wars and
    looming wars and economical motives, the powers behind the
    US President (the military-industrial-congressional complex and
    their lobbies and agents in government) become more active.
    But at the same time, the decisions of the US President and the
    advices and manipulations of the VP have become more crucial.
    Dick Cheney understands this better than anyone. I doubt that
    he would have suggested a “hockey mom” as the next Vice
    Presidential candidate. I would guess that he sees this as a
    disastrous joke. And even more if McCain suffered a stroke or a
    heart attack. My guess is that he wants a President and VP that
    is strong, but who also has strong connections to the military-
    industrial-congressional complex. (That Bush perhaps
    happened to be weak, was more a personal benefit for him than
    something going in accordance with his principles).
    Cheney is not behind this.
    And what about Bill Kristol and his neocon friends? Not likely.
    Sarah Palin may be a hunter and pro guns, but certainly not a
    trotskist working for democracy and capitalism abroad and US
    global hegemony.
    Karl Rove? That`s our man. He is not concerned about foreign
    affairs unless they affect domestic affairs. His goal? GOP
    dominance in US government. He is concerned about the Party
    and the elections. And he knows how to use a calculator.
    My guess is that Rove`s calculator told him that Lieberman,
    Pawlently and others were too risky, and that Sarah Palin was
    less risky. He has no sense of responsibility or direct
    consequences regarding foreign relations, he wants to win the
    next US election.
    Perhaps they had little time to vet her, and gambled. But
    according to Rove`s calculator, this was simply the safest
    choice.

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  22. LOL says:

    Go, Tahoe, go.
    I love it. You got them going nuts. You say something insane and they get all elitist logical, then you come back with some twisted illogic to befuddle their elitist logic and it goes round and round till we all fall down laughing, man.
    You are insane, dude.
    Keep up the mayhem, it’s hilarious.

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  23. footstool says:

    God damn it ! This is the same God damn thing that happened to Jack Nicholson !! Growing up he thought his actual mother was his sister and his actual grandmother his mother !! All because his family pulled a switcheroo on who Jack’s real mother was.
    So maybe Jack should weigh in on this Trig kid outrage which will only get worse until he takes to the podium and gives Sarah a way to back off her story gracefully.

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  24. Robert Morrow says:

    the hospital link is NOT working. Did someone pull it down?
    There could be something to this Sarah Palin pregnancy coverup story. It is a possibility.

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  25. Unhappy says:

    There has been a lot of back and forth on blogs (either in
    comments, like on this one, or on the main page of others)
    about the so-called “executive experience” of Sarah Palin. Now, I
    personally have issues with this argument, seeing as experience
    varies greatly, and I have a hard time buying the argument that
    Palin’s time as governor of a small, very unique state is exactly
    huge experience. It’s certainly experience, but I don’t know if I
    can make the leap from that to the vice-presidency, or even the
    presidency.
    But setting aside that, I think the McCain campaign campaign is
    going a bit too far in pushing this experience idea, and it could
    come back to haunt them.
    Today in a post on McCain’s website, in a post entitled “Obama
    Campaign Takes the Low Road” Michael Goldfarb makes the
    astonishing claim that Sarah Palin is “the Governor of Alaska and
    was the mayor of a small town, meaning she has more executive
    experience than Barack Obama and Joe Biden put together.”
    Here’s the link: http://www.johnmccain.com/mccainreport/
    Read.aspx?guid=5408661e-ce6b-4d02-b9c0-85e0156b0d9d
    Yet by the same logic, doesn’t this mean that Sarah Palin has
    more executive experience than John McCain? And if executive
    experience is all that counts, than can McCain continue to make
    the claim that his foreign policy experience (acquired in large
    part while he was in the Senate) really qualifies him to be the
    president? That leads to a discussion of the issues, where
    frankly, Obama has been right as often or more often than
    McCain. I’m thinking in particular of Iraq, and this nonsense over
    never being able to have a timetable, when the Iraqi government
    has just negotiated one with the US, and even Sarah Palin has
    been quoted as saying she worried that there was no exit plan in
    place at the time of the surge.
    Also, by going for the experience argument, the McCain
    campaign is just making itself look ridiculous. Saying something
    over and over again doesn’t make it true, and by trying to plug
    the experience option, the campaign is going to draw a lot more
    attention to Palin’s resume, which though promising, is still
    incredibly thin. I know that this is the current Republican line,
    but mayor of a town of 7,000 is not the kind of experience that
    readies you to president. And they’re going to sound
    increasingly ridiculous to Americans, as even residents of small
    towns will look to their mayors and say, “is this person ready to
    be president?”
    So if McCain wants this, by all means, go for it. But this
    excitement about Palin is premature, given that she’s given two
    stump speeches so far, and has had to show absolutely no real
    knowledge of policy. I’m curious to see what the reaction is
    when she has to actually give an extemperaneous answer on a
    tough policy question. Just something to think about until then.

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  26. Paul Norheim says:

    Steve,
    if anyone here know the people close to McCain, it must be you.
    Who chose Sarah Palin? Any thoughts?
    Because the question is a good one, and the answer may clarify
    other issues as well.

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  27. pauline says:

    kovie,
    Don’t like all this “baby talk”? Let’s look just a bit deeper at Palin’s “professional” qualifications and decision-making skills.
    IMO the issues that are most troubling and need to be addressed immediately by Gov. Palin herself are:
    1. She risked travelling to Dallas, Texas, at 36 weeks pregnant, in the first place, just to give an un-important speech.
    2. Palin didn’t go directly to a Dallas Texas hospital once her water broke which would be the standard medical procedure. She apparently had no cell phone to contact her doctor to get proper medical advice?
    3. Palin flew home (10-12 hour flight) with fluid leaking and risking infection and a serious potential for requiring delivery during air transit without telling the airlines! I’ll say it again — WITHOUT TELLING THE AIRLINES!
    4. Palin bypassed the premier area hospital – Providence which is only 15 minutes from the Anchorage airport (vs. over 60 minutes further to her own hospital which has no NICU). Providence Hospital is the premier area hospital and it has a NICU to handle a 36 week preemie with the double risk of Downs Syndrome baby.
    5. Dr. Johnson, a family practitioner, the supposed MD who delivered Palin’s baby, is known as an area expert in child and adult sexual abuse. Was this a wise choice given your medical circumstances?
    6. Palin’s baby was delivered in the local Alaskan hospital closest to Palin’s house (over an hour from the Anchorage airport) by this MD child abuse “expert”, even though the baby was supposedly 4 weeks premature and had Downs Syndrome. Did your doctor advice this?
    7. Gov Palin returned to work after only 3 days off following this medically-trying ordeal.
    8. Palin decided to accept the McCain choice for her as VP even with all the demands of having a new special-needs baby.
    p.s. Gov Palin, now swear to the God you say you believe and tell all the voters of this great country, is this child your baby or your 17 old daughter’s?

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  28. Paul Norheim says:

    Well kovie, actually the topic of this post was: Who chose Sarah
    Palin?
    Probably not Bill Kristol (see quotes above).
    Tahoe has certainly not tried to answer this – I guess he wants
    us to think that it was the genius and master McCain himself,
    since Sarah Palin is such a brilliant candidate.
    As far as I can remember, no one here have tried to answer that
    question directly.
    Perhaps POA, by implication…
    Since we all know by now that Tahoe thinks it was a brilliant
    choice, perhaps someone could make an effort trying to answer
    that question?
    To quote Tristan Snell: “Was it Dick Cheney? Or Karl Rove? Or
    maybe James Dobson?”
    Yeah, back on topic may be a good idea while Tahoe gets some
    sleep.

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  29. kovie says:

    Less than 10% of the comments here have anything to do with Palin’s professional qualifications to by VP let alone president, or with what it says about McCain’s character and judgement to have chosen her. I can’t believe how much space has been devoted here towards engaging obvious trolls and GOP twits. Stick to the substance, people.

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  30. Paul Norheim says:

    Never thought that I would quote William Kristol – but here it
    goes (from NYT today):
    “There are Republicans who are unhappy about John McCain’s
    selection of Sarah Palin. Many are insiders who highly value —
    who overly value — “experience.” There are also sensible
    strategists who nervously note just how big a gamble McCain
    has taken.
    But what was McCain’s alternative? To go quietly down to
    defeat, accepting a role as a bit player in The Barack Obama
    Story? McCain had to shake up the race, and once he was
    persuaded not to pick Joe Lieberman, which would have been
    one kind of gamble, he went all in with Sarah Palin.
    (…)
    Voters are unlikely to learn much that is new or surprising
    about Obama, McCain or Joe Biden over the next two months.
    Palin’s performance as the vice-presidential nominee, on the
    other hand, is the open and unresolved question of this
    campaign. She is, in a way, now the central figure in this fall’s
    electoral drama.
    If Palin turns out not be up to the challenge for which McCain
    has selected her, McCain will pay a heavy price. His judgment
    about the most important choice he’s had to make this year will
    have been proved wanting.
    (…)
    The Palin pick already, as Noemie Emery wrote, “Wipes out the
    image of McCain as the crotchety elder and brings back that of
    the fly-boy and gambler, which is much more appealing, and
    the genuine person.” But of course McCain needs Palin to do
    well to prove he’s a shrewd and prescient gambler.”
    ——————————————
    Though the general tone of the article is rather optimistic, these
    extracts show exactly what this is about: a desperate gamble.

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  31. Tahoe Editor says:

    Al Hunt: MCCAIN IS NOT BUSH (DUH):
    Republicans are gathering in St. Paul to nominate their greatest hero since Dwight D. Eisenhower and the LEAST-POPULAR NOMINEE WITH THE PARTY FAITHFUL since well before Ike.
    There is little about John Sidney McCain III that is conventional, so why should this convention be any different?
    His party’s conservative base despises the Arizona Republican for offenses ranging from championing campaign-finance reform to his fight against George W. Bush for the presidential nomination eight years ago — it was the Bush forces that did the sleazy stuff — to HIS PENCHANT FOR FORMING ALLIANCES WITH DEMOCRATS.
    There is a gut populism in the Republican nominee. He saw Bush in 2000 and Mitt Romney in 2008 as men of unearned privilege. As a naval officer, politician and the son and grandson of admirals, honor and duty are deeply ingrained in McCain; the notion of getting fabulously rich or being paid 500-fold more than the average worker is not.
    It isn’t clear how this would be resolved in a McCain administration, so appointments would be crucial. Some of his top economic advisers like DOUGLAS HOLTZ-EAKIN and KEVIN HASSETT are sensible conservatives who would adjust to changing economic or political realities.
    On foreign policy, he’s a fervent believer in the Iraq mission, yet this Vietnam veteran also knows that a democracy can’t wage war when it lacks popular support. My hunch is he would look for a faster exit strategy in his first year.

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  32. Tahoe Editor says:

    “In the last day-and-a-half, or whatever it has been, we have raised $4 million on the Internet. I wish I had taken her a month ago.” — John McCain
    Apparently they are scaling down the showiness of the GOP convention and turning it into a giant fundraiser for Gustav — thankfully The One has told us we won’t be accusing anyone of politicizing during this campaign — it’s the New Kind Of Politics.

    Looks like the 2 GOP outsiders might get their chance to Changeâ„¢ things after all.
    [[ Inside the Obama War Room: “But Changeâ„¢ is OURS, it’s OURS. No one else can have Changeâ„¢. Certainly not Changeâ„¢ We Can Believe Inâ„¢. Do we still have That’s Not Changeâ„¢? Let’s try Changeâ„¢ We Needâ„¢. Sh1t, we lost Changeâ„¢! What are we gonna do now? Hopeâ„¢? ]]
    More like Hypeâ„¢
    A lot of women hate Hillary Clinton. They will absolutely fall in LOVE with Sarah Palin.

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  33. Don Bacon says:

    Obama on 60 minutes: “Well, I — I don’t know Gov. Palin. I have not met her before. I had a brief conversation with her — after she was selected to congratulate her and — and wish her luck. But, not too much luck on the campaign trial. And — she seems to have a compelling life story. Obviously, she’s — a fine — mother and — up-and-coming public servant.” –Obama’s off balance, obviously.
    Well, I haven’t met Palin either, but I’ve watched her speak and she’s a lot better at expressing her views and looking you in the eye than the aloof Obama. And, barring some great change, her “compelling life story” which includes her ability to take on tough issues like corruption and motherhood will upstage Obama, Biden and probably McCain. It’s people power in action against the pols. Gotta love it. Up-and-coming female public servants against the go-along, business-as-usual boys-club pols. It’s an American saga. Personally, I don’t care for her politics, where she’s going to, but I love where she’s coming from. She’s a scrapper, this Sarah Barracuda.
    And if the scandals get her it will be a loss.

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  34. JohnH says:

    So, Tahoe, have you noticed that Palin looks a lot like Putin in print? Do you suppose that Wolf Blitzer and some of the other old white dudes anchoring the news or advising Republicans will have as much trouble not confusing Palin with Putin as they do when they try to pronounce the names of Democratic candidates?
    And–oh my god!–her maiden name is Heath. Isn’t that the plant that has leaves which can contain a dusting of a fungus that is a hallucinogenic intoxicant? Did the DEA check her out before she got picked?
    Everyone can play the innuendo game, but it’s only Republicans who make it their primary game, because they can’t win without it.
    Gotta love the MyCane-Putin combo!

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  35. Tahoe Editor says:

    David Broder, reporting from St. Paul:
    Here in this convention city, the initial shock at the choice of Palin has given way to a tentative hopeful prognosis — conditioned by the realization that she has yet to face her real tests.
    The two-step reaction is best capsulized in the comments of a very smart veteran campaign operative, a New Hampshire delegate and early Mitt Romney supporter, who told me: “When I first heard, I was appalled. I thought we had forfeited the election. But then I got a call from my 22-year-old daughter. She’s a pro-choice voter, just like I am. But she was very excited and enthused by this choice. She is captivated by Palin’s life story, the way she has taken on the odds. She may be more acute than I am.”
    That’s the reaction McCain is counting on, not just among Republicans but, importantly, among independents and women, where most of the undecided votes are. And without realizing it, Obama may have boosted the odds on this gamble paying off.
    Obama began his campaign for the nomination as the outsider candidate, promising fundamental change in Washington and offering a post-partisan approach to politics. With time, he has come to be seen as a much more conventional Democrat, now half of a ticket based in Congress, the least admired institution in a widely scorned capital. Millions who saw his acceptance speech heard a standard recital of liberal Democratic programs.
    By picking Palin, McCain has strengthened his reputation not as an ideologue, not as a partisan, but as a reformer — ready to shake up Washington as his hero, Teddy Roosevelt, once did. My guess is that cleansing Washington of its poisonous partisanship, its wasteful spending and its incompetence will become McCain’s major theme.
    The Democrats’ great advantage is that they are not responsible for the pain and frustration that many voters have suffered in the Bush years. But if McCain and Palin can shift the focus to the future, they may be able to appeal to the “change” voters who will in the end decide the election.

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  36. varanassi says:

    hey carroll,
    you asked,
    “I find this story hard to believe. But suppose it is true? What does it show?”
    well, imo IF it is true (and let me just say that i find the scenario highly unbelievable), it shows:
    1. palin is a liar
    2. palin is a criminal
    3. mccain is an incompetent manager
    4. maccain and his team put our country in jeapordy by nominating someone who is living a lie
    5. the palin pick was a rushed, “hair-trigger” decision.
    6. the palin pick was a panic, last minute move – not one born out of strength
    7. that once again, it’s the republicans who are caught with their pants down while breaking the
    law
    8. that hypocrisy has NO friend like the culturally right-wing republican
    9. that there will be a democrat in the white house until 2012
    10. that an unfathomable degree of hubris and greed caused palin to destroy the life of her daughter and her entire family.
    11. that steve schmidt would be better suited a for a job at starbucks
    12. that steve schmidt WILL soon be working at starbucks
    13. that truth is stranger than fiction.
    14. that the mainstream media is a joke
    and…
    15. that we are fucked.

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  37. Tahoe Editor says:

    DIGITAL JOURNAL:
    Risks Of Reporting Rumor As News About Sarah Palin’s Baby Trig and Daughter Bristol
    Daily KoS and those that reported on the speculated rumor, without doing their homework and just repeating the rumor, all have now maligned a 17 year old girl, her mother who is the vice presidential running mate on the Republican ticket and their whole family.
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/259257

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  38. digdug says:

    Except those cops (Monegan) who don’t do as you their told by someone who is threatening their job?
    So again, why do conservatives hate good cops who stand up to power-abusing politicians?
    As far as the tasing of the boy:
    Apparantly he tased the boy at the boy’s own request, with the taser on the test setting. The boy wanted to know what it felt like.
    Bad judgement on Wooten’s part? Absolutly. Malicious? Doesn’t sound like it. Just sounds like another adult who shouldn’t be parenting and doing something stupid. Not something nefarious in that particular incident, but gets spun like it is in a bitter divorce (and by half-truth-speaking forum trolls).
    Ultimately, I believe the Palin thing is being pushed so hard by trolls like Tahoe so we don’t discuss how well Obama and the Dems did last week, and all the gains they made. So I’ll be limiting myself to those discussions from now on. Palin’s scandals are already getting tiresome. She’s becoming the O.J. of the political arena. Endlessly dissecting in painful detail things that ultimately don’t really matter.
    So I’ll be returning to discussing the important things. Like how well the Democrats and Obama did last week. And all the gains they made in proving their worth to the middle class. And how badly out of step McCain and Palin’s ultra conservative views are with mainstream American.
    And how they promise 4 more years of the same old thing.

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  39. Tahoe Editor says:

    I’ll 2nd that. Except Bill & Monica had trysts. Sarah Palin gave birth to a baby with Down syndrome and these people peddling salacious stories (Piss) are off the deep end.

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  40. Carroll says:

    This stuff about Palin is getting disgusting.
    I don’t care if she’s against abortion and a religious fundie or not. I find this story hard to believe. But suppose it is true? What does it show? That she is a hypocritic is some way for being against birth control or not making her daughter take responsibility if it was her baby?
    Pretending that your daughter’s baby is your own for political reasons seems like more trouble than it is worth…because as mentioned above the fundies are big on forgiving themselves. Not to mention we can name dozens of politicans whose offspring were into drugs and other things.
    Why don’t you all just move on and get her on the issues. This sounding like the repubs raking over the details of Clinton’s and Monica’s trist.

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  41. Tahoe Editor says:

    No. 1 reason to pick Palin:
    She offers proof positive that the only inexperience that matters is Barack Obama’s inexperience (Chicago Tribune).
    Obama picked Biden for what Obama is not: ready to lead on Day 1.
    Come to think of it, when has Obama EVER showed leadership?

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  42. Tahoe Editor says:

    Conservatives love cops.
    Americans hate bad cops.

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  43. questions says:

    MarkL, thanks for the compliment!!
    The question of course is what are her politics? Abuse of her executive authority? (She fired the guy who refused to break the law and fire her near-ex brother-in-law– she did not ever fire the brother-in-law himself. She replaced the fired guy with a guy who had to be dumped after a sexual harrassment complaint came to light. She knew about the complaint.)
    She’s relentlessly anti-choice. And allegedly pro-family which is why the whole babygate thing is coming up. She may be lying about this too.
    She doesn’t seem to have any feeling about Iraq, she’s against pork except when she’s for it, Georgia??? She wants to drill here and drill now. She seems to have few substantive positions, but that’s a problem too.
    Attacking her for any of these doesn’t seem like a personal attack to me. Hypocrisy, abuse of power, the utter failure of her reproductive politics, or the bad judgment she showed in babygate — these are issues.
    And regarding “her judgment worked out fine” and she even had to be induced when she finally got to the hospital, it’s sort of immaterial. It’s not about spouting off about a woman’s birth choice. It’s about saying that engaging in high risk practices MIGHT be emblematic of a behavior pattern I don’t particularly want in the executive branch of the government. And when you are RELENTLESSLY pro-life (not even health/life of mother or rape/incest exceptions), and then you engage in birthing practices that seem aimed at less than thriving life, one wonders.
    HIGH RISK PREGNANCY actually means something.
    And don’t worry, I’m sure the Obama campaign will take the high road and say she’s a lovely person and she agrees with McCain and let me tell you all about McCain. And I’m guessing he won’t ever have to mention babygate, troopergate, bridgegate, stadiumgate, Pennsylvaniagate, reproductivegate, pipelinegate, vettinggate or any of the other tasty scandals du jour. That’s what the blogosphere is for. This stuff will out.
    And MarkL, no, the climate isn’t totally going to guarantee a dem win. The electorate is split 48-48 or so. McC already does the (effective) negative crap (celebrity, too exotic, foreign; the media/Fox have convinced a large number of people that Obama is TOO FAR TO THE LEFT, too Muslimy with a crazy Christian preacher and so on. So it’s not such a good idea to ignore the scandal issues. They could sink the dems if they aren’t countered.
    And it’s part of the politics of showing McCain’s MAVERICK side is out of control with this pick. I get the feeling it’s an effective strategy so far. People don’t seem to be lovin’ her.
    Oh, and her popularity rating is in the 60s and sinking in Alaska according to pieces I’ve seen.
    Sincerely,
    Your neighborhood idiot!!

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  44. digdug says:

    “Pressure, shmessure. Americans won’t care about that. They’ll hear she wanted a boy-tasing wife-beater off the dole, and his supervisor wanted to protect him (like many police chiefs do).”
    Monegan is apparantly well-respected.
    Abusing an office for personal reasons is wrong, period. She had no say in the matter. Monegan was the proper authority and decided against it.
    Or are you questioning the legal authority over a public servant abusing her the power of her office on a personal vendetta? Simply because the focus of it is shady himself, does not make it any less of a personal vendetta and abuse of power.
    Or do conservatives not trust our hard-working police officers and their leaders now? Why do conservatives hate cops?
    😉

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  45. Tahoe Editor says:

    Dear Progressives,
    There is a Weekend of Action event in your town on LABOR DAY.
    Our friends from kos will be demonstrating at the nearest ExxonMcCain station carrying signs that say,
    “PALIN DNA TEST NOW. STOP HURTING YOUR FAMILY, SARAH.”
    Can you join us?
    RSVP here:

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  46. Tahoe Editor says:

    Pressure, shmessure. Americans won’t care about that. They’ll hear she wanted a boy-tasing wife-beater off the dole, and his supervisor wanted to protect him (like many police chiefs do).
    This pick is looking better every day. When you have JONATHAN ALTER attacking Palin for going to work with a Down syndrome baby at home, you know the GOP has hit its target.

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  47. KR says:

    I think I discovered McCain’s Veep Selection method. Looks like he had expressed real concern over the latest polls after Obama’s speech, then sought some form of higher power…
    http://www.mushygushy.com/SUW3RD
    (although, I’m not sure if it’s from a credible source. 😉

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  48. digdug says:

    MarkL,
    Palin didn’t fire the trooper, Mike Wooten (her brother-in-law).
    She fired Public Safety Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan who is in charge of the state troopers. By Monegan’s own account, he was pressured to fire this trooper by various Palin associates including Palin’s husband, and by Palin herself.
    Monegan continually refused to fire Wooten, citing Wooten had already been disciplined appropriately and was under watch for further bad behaviour.
    Palin has already walked back her claims about these events. Initially she said there was no pressure. After Monegan went public, she now claims there was pressure from her associates, she just didn’t know about it.

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  49. What Grief Is Good? says:

    Mark L,
    When the National Enquirer came out with its first few stories
    about Edwards infidelity, did you dismiss them out of hand?
    When George W. Bush gave his 2003 State of the Union address
    during which he charge Saddam Hussein with having weapons of
    mass destruction, did you believe him?
    The last eight years have proven, over and over, that our
    government, and both the Republicans and Democrats that
    make up the majority of it, lie non-stop.
    So why, Mark L, don’t you ask for a simple DNA test for Palin’s
    child, her and her husband? That would set everyone’s mind at
    ease, get her young daughter out of the spotlight, and we could
    all go forward?
    Why, Mark L, would you continue to subject Bristol Palin to
    unwanted speculation?
    And, if Sarah Palin were a concerned mother why would she
    subject her daughter and her son or grand son to the same?
    Cowards and thugs all…

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  50. Tahoe Editor says:

    Oh thank G-d for MarkL.
    HUFFINGTON POST: DailyKos Embraces The Palin ‘Fake Pregnancy’ Rumor But Rejects The Edwards Story
    The election hasn’t even been won yet and there’s already a liberal hubris developing. Progressive standard bearers such as DailyKos and Keith Olbermann have been showing signs lately of a nasty tendency towards stifling dissenting opinions and promoting the sort of crazy rumors usually associated with the right than the reality based community.
    It’s not effective, it’s not progressive, and it’s not a good or accurate reflection on Barack Obama or the Democratic Party.
    Update: There’s a weird pivot on this story. What started as ‘she wasn’t pregnant!’ is morphing into Palin getting attacked for her choice (after talking to her doctor) to go back home to Alaska after her amniotic fluid began a small leak.
    Two points. First, nothing bad happened — her judgment in this case worked out just fine. In fact, the baby had to be induced. Second, PEOPLE LOVE TO SPOUT OFF ABOUT OTHER WOMEN’S BIRTH CHOICES.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/why-dailykos-embraced-the_b_122790.html

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  51. MarkL says:

    Questions,
    you are an idiot.
    There’s no need to discuss “troopergate” at all.
    Furthermore, attacking Palin for trying to fire a trooper who tased an 11 year old boy is a losing strategy.
    Why on earth should Democrats be resorting to the politics of personal destruction when the political climate is so favorable to electing a Democrat?
    Hillary had just the right note in talking about Palin; she complimented her for being nominated, and then ripped her politics.
    And this speculation about Palin’s child not being her own? Insane.
    You guys must want Obama to lose. You’ve certainly shown that you are no better than Republicans.

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  52. Tahoe Editor says:

    She has an 80% approval rating. Of course the Alaskan newspapers aren’t necessarily going to be cheerleaders. Let’s talk about how much the Chicago newspapers love Obama.
    Wiki: Maternal age influences the chances of conceiving a baby with Down syndrome. At maternal age 20 to 24, the probability is one in 1562; at age 35 to 39 the probability is one in 214, and above age 45 the probability is one in 19.
    Keep praying for your parenthood scandal. So far you’ve provided links to kos and stupidcelebrities.net. You’ll have to do better than that.

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  53. Paul Norheim says:

    “And the vetting process looks worse and worse by the way. I
    think it was TPM reporting that no one has checked the archives
    of her hometown paper (not available on the web, and so
    needed to be done in person).” (Questions)
    I think this is a story about incompetence (combined with
    cynicism and desperation). “Vetting Palin – why? There is no
    time for that. And hey, she`s a Christian, and a brave and
    honest mother of 5!”
    What perhaps surprised me most about the Bush adm. was not
    that they lied, their abuse of power etc., but their incompetence.
    The most famous examples:
    1) Bremer and all those loyal, but unexperienced people
    working in the Green Zone in Baghdad.
    2) The WH response to Katrina.
    This Palin thing may be the first sign showing that McCain will
    not only inherit Bush`s politics, his war mongering and bad
    judgement in general, but also his incompetence.
    Whatever the Obama supporters may do or not do now, may not
    matter much at this stage. I think this has got out of hand, and
    the crucial thing is what the journalists, mainstream as well as
    bloggers, will dig up during the next days and weeks, and how
    the mainstream media decide to use what they find.
    It`s indeed a surreal story, and the coming week may even be
    more surreal:
    A new hurricane over New Orleans, reminding everybody of
    Katrina. Bush canceling his GOP convention speech because of
    Gustav – trying to repair his image by displaying
    “responsibility”.
    GOP probably delaying and reducing the planned
    arrangements at the convention because of the hurricane, trying
    to display “responsibility”.
    Sara Palin.
    And in the middle of all this, lots of facts and lies and stories
    and rumors about Palin may explode into the convention and
    make her ticket impossible.
    Nobody knows, but I guess the GOP leadership is quite nervous.
    Anything can happen.

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  54. questions says:

    So we attack Palin on the things I noted above. We ignore Palin as not worth the trouble (feminists bite back). But on the family thing, much of the country is pro-choice. The hardliners like Palin are never going to vote dem anyway. And of course, the issue is CHOICE, not aborting wanted babies….
    That’s actually an issue with your point Tahoe. The genius of the Repubs only goes so far. Alienating deeply committed Repubs is fine, they already are. The issue is those swingers in the middle — so every attack has to be focus grouped with the middle.
    And I’m not sure her inexperience will remind people that Obama isn’t the age of Methuselah. They have very different inexperiences, as it were. It’s quite possible that your whole theory of reminding voters of Obama’s alleged weaknesses doesn’t wash. Though I’ll admit I’m intrigued enough to take it seriously.
    I’m not hooked into the cable tv universe, so I don’t know how it’s being spun in tv land. Fox matters a teensy bit. A.M. radio, not a wit. Network news is an issue. Newpapers seem not in love. Her own mother-in-law is not in love. Alaska newspapers are not in love…. It’s quite possible the media will eat her alive without a campaign response…..

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  55. Old Bogus says:

    I am delighted over his choice for our future President! She will be so overwhelmed by all the crap in the WH, she will be clueless OR will become Margaret Thatcher.
    Either way, third parties win with these slates of candidates.
    TE feels that by sheer volume of posts he’ll/she’ll overwhelm the opposition regardless of content. In fact, most of us see the name and scroll down. He is a troll. Or exceedingly naive about Iway debates.

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  56. susan says:

    “Loads of suspicions re Baby Palin
    If she lied, why????”
    When your family is a bill board for fundamentalist Christian “values”, and you have spent your entire political career proclaiming that birth control and sex education are unnecessary (and whenever possible underfunding and cutting programs related to reproductive rights/health), it may be just a bit embarrassing to have an unmarried, pregnant, teenaged daughter.
    In addition, should it happen, it will be even more embarrassing to be outed for lying to the country about this.
    If she has lied, Palin is finished.

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  57. Tahoe Editor says:

    Yes. And Bill Clinton was a governor for 12 years! Imagine that — he did his job for 12 years!
    Obama doesn’t want his daughters “punished with a baby.” He wants every pregnant girl in America to know he’ll dive into the dumpster to make sure that baby didn’t make it.
    This is political genius from the GOP. Attack Palin as unqualified, but you see her record of ACCOMPLISHMENT is longer than Obama’s. Attack Palin for her pregnancy and family choices, and you see Obama is cool with a doctor chasing your baby down the hall and making sure it doesn’t live if you don’t want it to.
    Dems playin with fire.

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  58. Joe Klein's conscience says:

    Tahoe Editor:
    The Governor of any state is the head of the National Guard in that state. Bill Clinton was the head of the National Guard in Arkansas when he was governor.

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  59. questions says:

    Here’s the Tahoe strategy — reverse psychology (and that old child’s taunt, “I’m rubber, you’re glue, what you say bounces off of me and sticks to you”) — let’s all praise Palin and those praises will redound upon Obama — but wait, if we praise Palin she wins. If we criticize Palin, those criticisms redound upon Obama, and so she wins. Obama just needs to quit already…..
    I think we probably have to be careful how we criticize her, but she’s not beyond criticism by any stretch of the imagination. But always play through the ripples of the criticisms before launching massive ad campaigns. I think the Obama campaign actually knows this, though.
    There’s Shakespearean doubling — Biden is white as McC and grumpy too, long in the Senate and talky. Palin is inexperienced, has dark hair at least, is female/male (remember Obama is memed effete at times) — interesting dynamics……
    And the vetting process looks worse and worse by the way. I think it was TPM reporting that no one has checked the archives of her hometown paper (not available on the web, and so needed to be done in person). Last minute decision anyone? Imagine McC deciding to bomb some little country somewhere without bothering to read up on the place…. Now THAT’S the kind of MAVERICK we can all live with (and die with).
    So the Tahoe challenge is to find just the right criticisms that sink Palin without evoking Obama. Put your thinking caps on!!!!
    Troopergate MUST be about abuse of executive power — then the executive experience and abuse are BUSH. The CONSTITUTION requires due process, Palin ignored due process and tried to have her borther-in-law fired…. Obama’s strength — CON LAW…..
    The baby thing, if it comes up, MUST be about falsity and reproductive politics — like lying on the gov’t website about birth control and abortion, about the gag rule and so on. Do we want a vp who can’t handle reproductive truths? Obama’s strength — Sasha and Malia.
    The experience thing has to be about how far removed Alaska is from urban concerns and how much pork they suck up compared to the amount of tax money they kick in. Sure she’s experienced — at sucking up PORK. Check Illinois for pork/taxes paid ratio….
    The small town thing has to focus on her not really understanding transit, commuting in traffic, needing institutions because you don’t always know your neighbors. It’s so nice to have small town values where we all know each other’s business, we all know each other’s babies (!), we all take care of each other. But we don’t all live in small towns and sometimes we need support to deal with the hustlebustle of the city…. Obama’s strength, South Side of Chicago, downtown Chicago, the coming Olympics, tall buildings, lake front…..
    There are ways to give her a plus and a minus all at the same time. Validate her as how she lives, but it’s not how many of us live….
    For what it’s worth….

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  60. Tahoe Editor says:

    Gustav may be a real opportunity here, first by just keeping W out of St. Paul. ABC round table says if McCain doesn’t waste an additional $6 million to rent a stadium to shower himself with praise and adulation with 1,000 spotlights and instead focuses on delivering a message, short and sweet — I’m Not Bush Even Though MoveOn Says So — while really taking over the Gustav narrative to highlight the contrast, it might work.

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  61. Paul Norheim says:

    Sorry for that, Tahoe. In any case, no one can blame you for
    being picky. If there ever was a ridiculous or false argument
    defending Palin or blaming Obama, you`ll instantly quote it to
    keep us informed.

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  62. Tahoe Editor says:

    That’s the new campaign slogan?
    “PALIN DNA TEST NOW”
    I’ll suggest MoveOn start printing up the signs.

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  63. What Grief Is Good? says:

    What “family values” do you exhibit when you drag your teenage
    daughter and her son, or your son, into the international spotlight?
    If my husband and I were Bristol Palin’s parents we would take a
    DNA test to prove that we were Trig’s parents and keep our
    children from further harm and speculation.
    Until Governor Palin and her husband do that, they are harming the
    lives of Bristol and Trig, and by extension, their other children.
    It’s that simple — take the DNA test and then everyone will shut-
    up. More than shut-up — the GOP would have won a huge victory
    by proving that the Dems are scandal mongers.
    Take the test, Sarah and Todd Palin! Do it for your kids.

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  64. susan says:

    Even Andrew Sullivan has some questions for Alaska’s gov:
    Things That Make You Go Hmmm
    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/things-that-mak.html

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  65. Tahoe Editor says:

    Paul, that’s Lindsey Graham, not me. Take a nap.

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  66. Tahoe Editor says:

    She’s the most popular governor in the country.
    If the baby isn’t hers, it’s a problem. If it is hers, and the left is going bat-sh1t over her flying at 36 weeks pregnant, the right will say Obama has something very different in mind for the 37th week:
    http://townhall.com/funnies/cartoonist/GlennMcCoy/2008/08/10
    So you’d better keep hoping against hope that it’s not her child. But even if it’s her daughter’s child, this goes down the family values and privacy road. I don’t know what happens then, but if she gave birth to that child and you want Obama in the White House, I’d shut the hell up about it.
    Cokie Roberts says asking whether she should be running for office with a Down syndrome baby can get lots and lots and lots of women angry.
    It also gets me angry cuz it’s so fvcking stupid.
    World’s fastest promise maker
    http://www.politicalcartoons.com/cartoon/b79454f4-96e5-41e2-b84e-776654f0868b.html

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  67. JohnH says:

    Tahoe said, “she’s the most popular governor in the state.” Last I checked, she’s the only governor. Pretty low bar, seems to me…

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  68. What Grief Is Good? says:

    I don’t know much about DNA testing, but I understand is
    enough to know that Palin and/or her husband could be tested
    and either proved or disproved to be the parents of Trig.
    So my question to Governor Palin and Mr. Palin, as parents,
    whose daughter, Bristol, and son or grandson, Trig, are now
    being subjected to the scrutiny of the world, why don’t you just
    take the test?
    Save your young child and child or grandchild from further
    psychological harm Mr. and Ms. Palin and get tested by an
    independent outfit to prove that you are Trig’s parents and not
    his grandparents.
    To not do so means that you don’t care about your child Bristol,
    and your possible child Trig. All the while claiming that you
    stand for “family values>’
    It’s a simple test –save your daughter more anguish, Governor
    and Mr. Palin and get it done!

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  69. Paul Norheim says:

    “So John McCain is trying to tell the American people, I got it. You
    think you’re government is broken? So do I. I picked somebody
    that knows how to fix broken governments.” (Tahoe)

    Brilliant, Tahoe. McCain picked Palin because she knows how to
    fix broken governments. This is one of your best arguments so
    far.

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  70. susan says:

    POA:
    Here’s another one for you:
    Water BreakGate – all the details, links and facts here:
    http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3422
    Including a story about her daughter having a car accident when she was out of school for Mono – from the Frontiersman newspaper.

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  71. Tahoe Editor says:

    Talking about how terrifying it would be if Palin were president just opens the door for Republicans to talk about how terrifying it would be if Obama were president.
    LINDSEY GRAHAM: “I would dread the day that Senator Obama took the oath and become commander-in-chief.”
    JOHN KERRY responds to GRAHAM below. Kerry points to Obama’s campaign trip to Europe this summer — the first time the (obviously acting) chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Europe actually set foot on the continent — and boasts that Obama “attracted more attention, more support, if you will, than a sitting president of the United States of America.” Wow, John Kerry’s still got it.
    LINDSEY GRAHAM:
    She took on the Republican Party chairman and called him unethical. She took on the attorney general, who eventually resigned because he was doing things that were inappropriate.
    She’s been a governor. She’s been in charge of the National Guard — more than Obama. What has he done? What has he done? What has Senator Obama done in terms of managing a war? The only time he’s been involved in war is when he voted on Iraq. He voted to cut off funding to people in the war. He opposed the surge, said it wouldn’t work, that it would make things worse. His judgment, when it comes to matters of war, have been terrible. She’s tough, she’s talented, she’s ready to lead.
    When you look at her resume of being a governor versus his resume of being a senator, he’s been gone more than he’s been there. She’s been in office since 2006. She’s vetoed budgets that were excessive, she has given money back to the people of Alaska by tax cuts, she’s reformed institutions that are incredibly broken. She’s been bold. She’s been a leader. She’s put her own political career at risk. And Senator Obama has been gone more than he’s been here, and he’s never challenged his own party to do anything different.
    So John McCain is trying to tell the American people, I got it. You think you’re government is broken? So do I. I picked somebody that knows how to fix broken governments. I’ve picked somebody that will stand up to powerful people in her own backyard, and together we’re going to change this place. John Biden is a wonderful man, but there’s not a change bone in his body when it comes to budgets and spending.
    He has national security experience, but experience and judgment need to come together. He voted against the first Gulf War, he opposed the surge. He wanted to partition Iraq. I think Governor Palin has the characteristics of a leader that can take over on a moment’s notice, but the most qualified person to be commander- in-chief of all four is John McCain.
    I would dread the day that Senator Obama took the oath and become commander-in-chief.
    Here’s my choices. My choice is to elect him, Barack Obama, who got it incredibly wrong in Iraq, who would sit down with Ahmadinejad and change the whole dynamic of the Mideast by empowering a nut and sending every wrong signal to extremists and moderates. His judgments in these areas have been terrible — proven to be terrible. I would be proud to call her my president. I think she could step in and fulfill the agenda domestically and internationally that John McCain wants to set for the country. Compared to Barack Obama, I think she’d make one hell of a commander-in-chief.
    We’re putting questions out there about Senator Obama. What has he actually done? He’s been in the Senate since 2006. He’s been gone more than he’s been there. He’s never reached across the aisle to do one hard thing, and when it came to Iraq, he went two and a half years without visiting the country, never sat down and talked to General Petraeus about how the surge is going, declared the surge a failure, never got engaged at all, went to Iraq because we made him go, shamed him into going, comes back and says the surge still hasn’t worked and I wouldn’t have changed my vote.
    So what we’ve tried to do is expose the guy for the calculating politician that he is. And Governor Palin, whether you think she’s a good choice or not, I can tell you, she’s got a resume of taking on hard issues and standing up to tough people. If you can take on Ted Stevens and that crowd in Alaska, you can handle the Russians.

    JOHN KERRY RESPONDS:
    Well, he just admitted the case. He just said we’ve exposed him for being the calculating politician that he is. Barack Obama in his own speech said he’s not going to attack John McCain’s motives. But you’ve just heard them attack John McCain’s motives: calculating. The fact is that Barack Obama has shown judgment that has been correct. Everything — Lindsey Graham’s very glib, he’s very good. But let me tell you something, he just didn’t tell you the truth.
    We’ve been warning against the third term of George Bush. With the choice of Governor Palin, it’s now the third term of Bush-Cheney, because what he’s done is he’s chosen somebody who actually doesn’t believe that climate change is man-made. He’s chosen somebody who has zero — zero — experience in foreign policy.
    The first threshold test of a president of a nominee in choosing a vice president is to prove to the American people that the person that you’ve chosen can fill in tomorrow, that they come with the requisite experience to lead the nation in foreign policy and in national security. You know, she may be — I’m sure she’s a terrific person. I’m not attacking her. I think John McCain’s judgment is once again put at issue because he’s chosen somebody who clearly does not meet the national security threshold, who is not ready to be president tomorrow. And there’s just no way to get over that.
    Barack Obama has been in the United States Senate. He has not been absent more than he’s been there. She’s been a governor for what, two years now? Barack Obama in the four years. But moreover, Barack Obama has traveled abroad. Look at the trip Barack Obama took. It is remarkable to me that the Republicans would try to denigrate a trip that a candidate for president takes where he attracts more attention, more support, if you will, than a sitting president of the United States of America. That’s what you need in leadership for a president. You need somebody who can go to Europe and say to them, we need more help in Afghanistan.

    “But, Obama said, Obama said we weren’t going to accuse each other of taking positions for political purposes in this election! Obama said!”
    Y’all really bought that fake seal, didn’t you?

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  72. GSD says:

    I take it Tahoe Editor was of the same crowd that was crowing about how Karl Rove had things in hand for the 2006 elections and the Democrats were going to lose seats in the House, Senate and Governorships.
    As Jack Murtha once said: Just because they say something, doesn’t make it true.
    A question for you.
    Imagine the conservative response had a pregnant Hillary Clinton jetted around America whil 9 months pregnant doing political speeches. Having been quoted as saying “nothing would keep me from delivering that speech”.
    I imagine you’d cite that as evidence of her poltical connivances and over ambition.
    But it’s OK if you’re a Republican.

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  73. PissedOffAmerican says:

    And heres an aspect of it that Tahoe seems to want to ignore….
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/
    Palin’s Post-Scandal Appointee Served Just Two Weeks
    By Kate Klonick – August 29, 2008, 7:32PM
    It looks like there’s even more muck than meets the eye in Trooper-Gate.
    After the allegedly improper firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) appointed former Kenai Police Chief Chuck Kopp to the post.
    Kopp served just two weeks this summer as the head of law enforcement in Alaska, resigning on July 25, after a past complaint of sexual harassment and a subsequent letter of reprimand surfaced in news reports.
    But Palin made sure he had a soft fall from grace, giving him a $10,000 severance package for just two weeks served.
    While Palin has conceded she was aware of the past complaint against Kopp, she claims that she thought the complaint had been unsubstantiated and was unaware of the letter of reprimand.

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  74. ToddinHB says:

    George W. Bush – Worst. President. Ever.
    Sarah Palin – Worst. Vice Presidential Pick. Ever.

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  75. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Heres the Troopergate article that Questions linked to, in its entirety. I though I should actually post the piece here for reference, so that Tahoe can give us a blow by blow rebuttal.
    Getting Real About Palin
    08.31.08 — 11:00AM By Josh Marshall
    I’ve noticed some people who should know better claiming that bringing up Gov. Palin’s troopergate scandal is tantamount to making a victim of or defending her slimeball ex-brother-in-law who allegedly once used a taser on his stepson.
    That’s awfully foolish. So I thought I’d put together a post explaining why.
    The person in question is state trooper Mike Wooten — Palin’s ex-brother-in-law who’s embroiled in a bitter custody and divorce battle with Palin’s sister. Back in the second week of August, well before Palin became a national political figure, TPMMuckraker was reporting on this story. And as part of the reporting we tried to get a handle on just how bad a guy Wooten was. Most people who are familiar with the ugliness that often spills out of custody and divorce cases know to take accusations arising out of the course of them with a grain of salt unless you know a lot about the people involved. And if you look closely at the case there are numerous reasons to question the picture drawn by the Palin family. Regardless, we proceeded on the assumption that Wooten really was a rotten guy because the truth is that it wasn’t relevant to the investigation of Palin.
    Let’s review what happened.
    The Palin family had a feud with Wooten prior to her becoming governor. They put together a list of 14 accusations which they took to the state police to investigate — a list that ranged from the quite serious to the truly absurd. The state police did an investigation, decided that 5 of the charges had some merit and suspended Wooten for ten days — a suspension later reduced to five days. The Palin’s weren’t satisfied but there wasn’t much they could do.
    When Palin became governor they went for another bite at the apple. Palin, her husband and several members of her staff began pressuring Public Safety Commissioner, Walt Monegan — a respected former Chief of the Anchorage police department — to can Wooten. Monegan resisted, arguing that the official process regarding Wooten was closed. And there was nothing more that could be done. In fact, during one of the conversations in which Palin’s husband Todd was putting on the squeeze, Monegan told Todd Palin, “You can’t head hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference.”
    Eventually, Palin got fed up and fired Monegan from his job. (Palin claims, not credibly, that she fired Monegan over general differences in law enforcement priorities.) This is an important point. Wooten never got fired. To the best of my knowledge, he’s is still on the job. The central bad act was firing the state’s top police official because he refused to bend to political pressure from the governor and her family to fire a public employee against whom the governor was pursuing a vendetta — whether the vendetta was justified or not.
    Soon after this, questions were raised in the state about Monegan’s firing and he eventually came forward and said he believed he’d been fired for not giving in to pressure to fire Wooten.
    After Monegan made his accusations, Palin insisted there was no truth whatsoever to his claims. Nonetheless, a bipartisan committee of the state legislature approved an investigation. In response, Palin asked the Attorney General to start his own investigation which many in the state interpreted as an effort to either keep tabs on or tamper with the legislature’s investigation. Again, very questionable judgment in someone who aspires to be first in line to the presidency.
    The Attorney General’s investigation quickly turned up evidence that Palin’s initial denials were false. Multiple members of her staff had raised Wooten’s employment with Monegan. Indeed, the state police had a recording of one of her deputies pushing Monegan to fire Wooten. That evidence forced Palin to change her story. Palin said that this was the first she’d heard of it and insisted the deputy wasn’t acting at her behest, even though the trascript of the recorded call clearly suggested that he was. (Hear the audio here.)
    Just yesterday, Monegan gave an interview to the Washington Post in which he said that not only Palin’s aides, but Palin’s husband and Palin herself had repeatedly raised the Wooten issue with him and pressured him to fire him. And now he says he has emails that Palin sent him about the matter. (In an interesting sidelight, that may end up telling us a lot, Monegan says no one from the McCain campaign ever contacted him in the vetting process.)
    The investigator appointed by the state legislature began trying to arrange a time to depose Gov. Palin last week — in other words, in the final days before her selection.
    So let’s put this all together.
    We rely on elected officials not to use the power of their office to pursue personal agendas or vendettas. It’s called an abuse of power. There is ample evidence that Palin used her power as governor to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. When his boss refused to fire him, she fired his boss. She first denied Monegan’s claims of pressure to fire Wooten and then had to amend her story when evidence proved otherwise. The available evidence now suggests that she 1) tried to have an ex-relative fired from his job for personal reasons, something that was clearly inappropriate, and perhaps illegal, though possibly understandable in human terms, 2) fired a state official for not himself acting inappropriately by firing the relative, 3) lied to the public about what happened and 4) continues to lie about what happened.
    These are, to put it mildly, not the traits or temperament you want in someone who could hold the executive power of the federal government.

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  76. pauline says:

    “On His Key Issue, McCain VP Pick Rolls The Dice”
    Looking at OnTheIssues.org, here’s what we find on the national security positions of John McCain’s choice for vice-president:
    Sarah Palin on Foreign Policy:
    No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
    Sarah Palin on War and Peace:
    No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
    Sarah Palin on Homeland Security:
    Promote from within, in Alaska’s National Guard. (Nov 2006)
    In an attempt to bind himself to the extreme social conservative base of his party and make news with an unknown, stunt VP pick, McCain has shortchanged the issue which he himself insists is the most important — national security.
    see —
    http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/08/29/on-his-key-issue-mccain-vp-pick-rolls-the-dice/

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  77. questions says:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211769.php
    A nice talking points memo piece on troopergate and what it’s really about.
    And Tahoe, if you note, I posted a caution immediately after — it’s actually kos people who think the baby thing is overblown.
    IF the baby is her daughter’s, then what does it say about shame in that family? What a long way around dealing with teen pregnancy. You want HER to be in charge of funding to Planned Parenthood? Teen pregnancy outreach programs? Funding for prevention/care/schooling for pregnant teens??? If it’s her daughter’s baby and their solution was to fake mono for 4 or 5 months and then fake a delivery and fake parenting, I’d say it’s a bit much…. If it’s her baby, then the travel thing is crazy. Either way, there’s a judgment issue — in my opinion at any rate.
    So there’s certainly some kind of issue here. I just have no idea which issue it is.

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  78. eberit says:

    I called the do not feed the Tahoe TROLL last night and I am now seconded by Neo Control….please ignore him and try to avoid all this breathless gossip girl chatter. I am a former 25 year Alaskan resident (moved to Seattle in 06) Sara Palin is nowhere, nohow, anything as accomplished as Mr. Obama. Please keep the discussion well reasoned.

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  79. Diana Witt says:

    I as flabbergasted as the next person about the Palin pick. But did anyone see today’s NY Times story with a quote from Dick Cheney on what it takes to be VP? In a photo caption on page 22 of the print version he says: “My job as vice president is as an adviser. I don’t run anything.”
    Unbelievable.
    Dianaw

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  80. Tahoe Editor says:

    “dailykos, are you kidding me”
    They banned reporters for asking questions about Rielle Hunter. But what’d you say? Palin’s baby is really her daughter’s? Grab the pitchforks and LET’S GO!

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  81. questions says:

    Read the comments from the diary as well, though, and the suggestion is the Vogue cover is famously faked, and there’s no there there…. It’s a mystery. But again, the baby thing has been debunked off and on, but phoenix like, it keeps coming back.

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  82. questions says:

    POA, This one’s for you!!
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/31/172828/696/266/581468
    Loads of suspicions re Baby Palin
    If she lied, why????

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  83. pauline says:

    “Some say it was a big surprise for John McCain’s picking of Alaska gov Sarah Palin as his running mate. Apparently McCain thought she was a much better choice over Mitt Romney for doing any cpr.”
    Leno

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  84. Neo Controll says:

    folks, even though he provides a useful foil at times, isn’t it about time to label Tahoe Editor a troll and stop feeding?
    –NCHQ

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  85. pauline says:

    “John McCain and Sarah Palin are quite the couple. She’s pro-life and he’s clinging to life.”
    Leno

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  86. pauline says:

    Palin Probe Could Mean Election-Eve Trouble for McCain
    By Kate Klonick and Zachary Roth – August 29, 2008, 6:39PM
    It looks like John McCain’s new running mate, Sarah Palin, could be hit with some decidedly negative PR at the worst possible time. The Alaska legislature’s investigation of whether Governor Palin improperly fired a state employee is scheduled to wrap up and release its findings just days before the November election.
    The firing is at the center of a scandal that has largely remained confined to the Alaska press, but is now likely to become a national story in the wake of Palin’s selection — one that could conceivably have an impact on the presidential race.
    As it happens, we’ve been tracking the story closely here at TPMmuckraker.
    The scandal concerns allegations that Palin’s office improperly fired the state’s public safety commissioner because he refused to remove Palin’s ex-brother-in-law from his job as a state trooper after his bitter divorce from Palin’s sister. In addition to the legislature’s investigation, the Alaska attorney general is also looking into the matter.
    Palin had at first denied that her office had a hand in pushing to have the trooper fired, but was forced to retract those denials when taped evidence emerged that a staffer in her office was involved.
    If the investigation finds that her personal involvement was more extensive than she has admitted, it could create some damaging headlines for the McCain campaign at the worst possible moment.
    Here’s a recap of the story:
    The scandal began on July 11, when Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan was removed from his post with little explanation, a move whose abruptness quickly raised questions in Alaska. A few days later, Monegan decided to blow the whistle, and came forward to tell local media that he had been dismissed because he refused to fire trooper Mike Wooten, the ex-husband of Palin’s sister, after having been pressured to do so by aides to Palin. (Monegan’s replacement, former Kenai Chief of Police Chuck Kopp was only lasted two weeks on the job once past complaints of sexual harassment from 2005 were publicized.)
    Critics pointed out that the effort to fire the trooper might have been directly related to the fact that Palin’s family had a longstanding grievances with Wooten. In an internal state police investigation in 2005, Palin herself had accused Wooten of threatening to harm her father during the breakup of her sister’s marriage. (The Palins claimed, among other things, that Wooten had used a taser on his 10-year-old stepson, and shot a moose without a permit.)
    Since Monegan made his allegations, Palin has denied that she personally had a role in the effort to fire Wooten. On July 28, the state legislative council, a bipartisan panel of senators and representatives, appointed a special commission to probe the matter.
    Her backtrack on her office’s role was prompted by the preliminary findings of a separate ongoing investigation into the matter by the state Attorney General, launched on August 4, that she herself put into motion. At a press conference at which Palin revealed some of that investigation’s finding, she acknowledged that in February, state troopers had taped a phone call from Frank Bailey, Palin’s director of boards and commissions, whom she appointed in August 2007, in which Bailey appeared to push for the firing of Wooten on Palin’s behalf.
    In the call, Bailey appeared to say that Palin and her husband were frustrated that Wooten still had his job. “The Palins can’t figure out why nothing’s going on,” Bailey said in the recorded phone call. “Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads … ‘Why is this guy representing the department, he’s a horrible recruiting tool.’ You know? So from their perspective everybody’s protecting him.”
    The investigation could be particularly poorly timed for the GOP. Steve Branchflower, a former state prosecutor who is conducting the investigation, has a three-month contract for his work, which started August 1, and will end October 31, according to Alaska State Senate Judiciary Committee chair, Hollis French (D), who is overseeing the probe. French told TPMmuckraker that he expects Branchflower to release his report in the days before the November 4th presidential election.
    A spokeswoman for Palin told TPMmuckraker that the governor’s office would be fully cooperating with Branchflower.
    Palin won the governor’s office in 2006 as a squeaky clean reformer. “She portrayed herself as an open-government, ethical person,” Rep. Mike Doogan, a Democratic state lawmaker, told TPMmuckraker. “You can see the obvious problem.” He added: “These things don’t help her [politically].”
    And they may not help John McCain either.
    (ed.note: The original version of this post incorrectly stated that the state legislature was in Democratic hands and ordered the probe of Monegan’s firing. In fact, the senate is under the control of a coalition of Democratic and dissident Republican lawmakers and the House of Republicans. The state legislative council, which ordered the probe, is a bipartisan panel made up of members of both bodies.)
    see —
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/

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  87. Tahoe Editor says:

    She’s the most popular governor in the state. Calling her “ridiculous” downgrades Obama to “absolutely comical.” Keep digging.
    Maureen Dowd is the best female woman-hater the left has to offer.
    Let’s keep arguing whether Palin is more inexperienced than Obama from now until November.

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  88. Mr.Murder says:

    Sarah shattered the glass trophy case.
    *swoon*

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  89. susan says:

    This is reputed to be a picture of Sarah pregnant with her first child:
    http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/pooteeweet28/1stchild.jpg
    If this picture is valid, I would love to know how Sarah managed to keep from getting as big as a barn during her fifth pregnancy!

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  90. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Methinks this is the most fun you’ve had in years”
    Well, yes, it is rather enjoyable watching you tread water so furiously while dreaming up your idiotic rationales and justifications for this Palin choice.
    You didn’t know you signed on to defend the ridiculous, did you, Tahoe? You should probably revolt, or ask for a raise. Your masters are asking too much of you.

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  91. pauline says:

    Let’s all take a timeout for . . . sports?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc3IaB2Pd-o

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  92. PissedOffAmerican says:

    THINK, Kervick. The announcement in the Alaskan news source was posted the same day as the birth, and included a photo. Why would permission to the hospital have been blocked? You’re right, the hospital would have confidentiality rules. And they would also have a legal obligation not to falsify birth records. So, if asked, they don’t have to disclose the particulars of a birth, nor can they lie about those particulars. Now, whats that tell you about the hospital being mum while the Palin spokesperson becomes the timely bearer of the news?
    And I see no way this could work in Palin’s favor.
    Apparently, these “suspicions” concerning Trig’s circumstances were being reported in the Alaskan news agencies even before Palin’s inexplicable launch into stardom. Had she of been properly vetted, don’t you think McCain would have been ill advised to choose a nominee with such volatile suspicions hanging over her head? This story is as much about McCain as it is about Palin. Yes, if viewed simply from the standpoint of family loyalties, motherhood, and a teen daughter in trouble, one can almost condone, even appreciate, Sarah’s actions. (Assuming any truth to the “suspicions”)
    But when these rumors concern a controversial and inexplicably unvetted nominee for the Republican candidacy for VP, they carry far more import, and are far less laudable. If this woman is prone to plots, deceptions, and subterfuge, I understand her desirability to these scumbags in Washington. But good God, couldn’t they at least give us someone that has a history of convincing deceptions, rather than someone that attempts fantastic and easily exposed fairy tales like the circumstances of Trig’s birth?

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  93. Tahoe Editor says:

    “I’m not attacking her family.” What a jokester.
    Keep digging, Piss. Methinks this is the most fun you’ve had in years. The more obscenities you spew, the more I picture your red face and smoky ears and just smile. Smile.

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  94. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Troopergate: Governor and Working Mother Sarah Palin Wants Abusive Cops Off The Dole”
    Actually, she put an abusive chief in place, and gave him 10,000 dollars severence pay after he served only two weeks in office. Thats one aspect of Troopergate you don’t seem to want to recognize, Tahoe. She was also caught lying, twice, about troopergate.
    And I’m not attacking her family. I pity her family. (Partly because of the world assholes like you have rocketed them into). But you can bet by the time this prick Rove gets through with using the Palin family for whatever scheme he’s hatched, the Palins will wish they’d never heard of Washington DC.

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  95. Mr.Murder says:

    Luntz has a pretty transparent seesion going on about study groups on CSpan right now…
    As for Palin, what is this Salem Witch trial about who is the mother of her baby? Could she have done adoption? What got into her, doesn’t she know a mother’s place is to arrange a convenience marriage?

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  96. Dan Kervick says:

    I don’t have any opinion about the baby story. But that page from the Mat-su Regional nursery doesn’t seem very convincing. I assume that the hospital has a privacy and confidentiality policy, and that baby pictures and stats cannot be posted on the nursery web site without the patient’s permission. The list we’re seeing there are comprehensive hospital records, but just a sort of announcement page.
    But if it were to turn out that Palin engaged in a complicated scam to hide her teenage daughter’s our-of-wedlock pregnancy, I’m not sure it would hurt her in the end.

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  97. Tahoe Editor says:

    Troopergate: Governor and Working Mother Sarah Palin Wants Abusive Cops Off The Dole.
    What a scandal. Keep going. Attack her family. It’s brilliant.

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  98. Mr.Murder says:

    Obama risked missing a pick up game of hoops. Scratch that, he still finds to do that when he travels or prepares for major political conventions.

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  99. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Ignoring the story, and attacking me, won’t make it go away you damned fool.
    Palin lied about troopergate. We know that for a fact. And the “coincidences” adding up about the circumstances of Trig’s birth cannot be ignored.
    http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-69834
    Too much just doesn’t add up. You’re blowin’ your cover here, Tahoe. After this mess blows up, you’ll only be able to sign on here as the site buffoon.

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  100. Tahoe Editor says:

    This is a woman who has risked her career. Obama has never risked his career. — David Brooks

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  101. Tahoe Editor says:

    I don’t think it’s even here, you idiot.
    But I do think attacking a working woman’s family is a brilliant strategy. Keep it up.

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  102. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “That’s all you’ve got? A salacious story about Governor Palin and her child? Wow”
    ROFLMAO!!!
    You think this is just going to go away, you idiot?
    http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/find_baby.php

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  103. Linda says:

    As for Palin being “union friendly,” the only way a politician can be “union friendly” is to support The Employee Free Choice Act as the Democratic Platform does. Republican Party Platform opposes it. Union members in MI, OH, and PA know that.

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  104. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Gov. Palin gives birth to son Trig
    By KYLE HOPKINS
    khopkins@adn.com
    Published: April 18th, 2008 02:52 PM
    Gov. Sarah Palin gave birth to her fifth child at 6:30 this morning at Mat-Su Regional Medical Center, her spokeswoman said today.
    The boy’s name is Trig Paxson Van Palin. He’s 6 pounds, 2 ounces.
    “The governor’s labor began while she was in Texas, and I do know that she got on a plane and landed in Anchorage late last night,” said Palin spokeswoman Sharon Leighow.
    Leighow said the governor and her son are healthy and resting comfortably today.
    http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/380134.html
    Now this is interesting, eh? Heres the birth record from that time period at the Mat-su Med Center….
    http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/nursery_calendar.php?month=05&year=2008
    You see Trig’s name on there, Tahoe?

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  105. Tahoe Editor says:

    That’s all you’ve got? A salacious story about Governor Palin and her child? Wow.
    RUDY GIULIANI: Senator Obama had to put all that emphasis on somebody helping him (Biden). During his primary campaign, the judgments that he displayed demonstrated that he doesn’t have executive experience. That whole confusion about negotiating with dictators without preconditions. His three responses to the Russian invasion of advisers. I think it took Obama three different responses to get it right after consulting with his 300 foreign policy advisers. So there’s a whole different set of issues with Senator Obama.
    Nobody doubts that John McCain is ready to be commander in chief, and Governor Palin gives him a chance to do exactly the opposite of Senator Obama. Senator Obama opted for the past in his choice of a vice presidential candidate, for exactly what he’s complaining about — more of the same. 30-40 years in Wahsington. John McCain went with the new generation. He went with someone who’s been an enormously successful mayor and governor, someone who’s been a reformer, a governor who’s considered one of the best in the country, and in fact is the most popular in the country.
    BOB SCHEIFFER: So you really do think that she is more qualified than Senator Obama would be?
    GIULIANI: Than SENATOR OBAMA?! Yeah, I do! (laughing). You know why? She had to make decisions. All Senator Obama had to do was talk. That’s all he does. She’s vetoed legislation. She’s taken on corruption in her party and won. She took on the oil companies and won. She administered a budget successfully. So this is somebody of accomplishment. Senator Obama’s major accomplishment, according to Hillary Clinton, was 1 speech. And now it’s 2 speeches.

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  106. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Disparage me instead of countering my points — that’s a winning message”
    Well, Tahoe, both are such easy targets that its hard to do one without doing the other.
    Whats wrong with recognizing that the braying issuing forth out of the herd probably belongs to the jackass instead of the pinto?
    It now appears that Palin’s kid Bristol just coinkidinkily had “mono” at the same time Palin was preggers, and was pulled out of school for a number of months. Now, of course I realize you don’t wanna get down in the gutter with us rumor mongers, and marvel at the sheer unlikelyhood of the numbers of anomolies and coincidences concerning Palin’s fifth child, but are you really so blessed ignorant that you think this story isn’t going to go mainstream?
    Lets recap, shall we? A pro-life governor, 43 years old, suddenly announces she’s seven months pregnant, despite the fact that she is showinbg NO physical signs of late term pregnancy, and her coworkers are flabbergasted at the announcement for obvious reasons. So, at seven months pregnant, with a sick kid home with mono, its business as usual, and preggers little Pocahontas continues her rigorous schedule, galivanting about the continent, running the state, pausing only for the occassional jog, followed by a moose steak, some sourdough pancakes, and an occassional fishing foray with her Daniel Boone hubby.
    Finally, at late term pregnancy, her water breaks in Dallas, she gives a speech, hops on a red eye, (with layovers), drives herself fifty miles, and gives birth to a bubbly baby boy with Downs Syndrome.
    Gads, Tahoe, it just doesn’t get any more surreal than this.
    Tahoe, I can assure you that you are really making an ass of yourself here. This Palin thing is going to make an ass of everyone of you drooling idiots that seek to defend it. Its truly indefensible, and its going to blow up right in your Limbaugh cloned clown face. I feel a bit of pity for Palin and her family, but when this thing turns to a steaming pile of shit, which it will, you will deserve to have your face rubbed in it, mercilessly, and often.

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  107. Tahoe Editor says:

    You’re twisting yourself in knots. See above post.

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  108. We're Screwed says:

    “Small town, Christian, gun owners,” Tahoe?
    I grew-up in a red state — Arizona, in fact. Do you think that
    Phoenix is a small town and that McCain is a gun owner? I have
    no idea if McCain owns a gun or not but I’m pretty sure Cindy’s
    bodyguards must have some kind of lethal weapon, if not
    McCain’s own security detail.
    Do you think that McCain’s even a Christian, when his own
    pastor at the North Phoenix Baptist Church says that he hasn’t
    been baptized?
    There are tens of millions of “small town, Christian, gun owners”
    in this country. So please tell us how does being a small town,
    Christian gun owner qualify Palin to potentially be the most
    powerful person on Earth over all the other small town, Christian
    gun owners?
    You are too st*pid to argue with, Tahoe. So I would suggest
    that the rest of us stick to posting things and linking to articles
    that will help us get a better grasp of the “big picture” rather
    than engaging Tahoe and his drivel.

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  109. Tahoe Editor says:

    She’s Palin by Comparison
    John Podhoretz
    The twist-yourself-in-knots-to-oppose-Palin-on-grounds-of-inexperience exercise being indulged in by those otherwise ecstatic about Barack Obama and indifferent to his lack of experience is truly astounding to behold. It is leading them into some fascinating mistakes. For example, Andrew Sullivan – who is quickly displacing David Gergen as the most ideologically elastic person in the annals of recent history — this morning: “It’s the most irresponsible decision by any leading presidential candidate since Bush picked Quayle.”
    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/24771
    Palin won’t describe herself as a feminist, but she will describe herself as a champion for women. She has figured out the work/life balance. She is also very union friendly. This could help peel about Obama’s newfound labor support — you know the unions Obama was crying about when they were supporting John Edwards and Hillary Clinton.

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  110. Mr.Murder says:

    Joe Biden thought so much about Iraq, he voted for the war with the country.
    Schadenfreude, it’s what’s for dinner.

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  111. Tahoe Editor says:

    Disparage me instead of countering my points — that’s a winning message.
    Biden voted against the Alaska pipeline 30 years ago. Smooth move. Palin puts him in the camp with “naysayers” and “fear mongers” on energy and will slam Biden as a 30-year Senate relic who’s consistently been on the wrong side.
    Palin delivers the can-do spirit. She’s the woman who 80% of Americans want to bring them new oil.

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  112. varanassi says:

    i just can’t get over this exachange between palin and a reporter for the alaska business daily in 2007 at the time of the iraq surge – a focal point of mccain’s campaign
    iraq?? surge?? executive experience?? commader in chief of alaskan national guard troops??
    “i haven’t really focused much on the war in iraq”
    you go girl…
    http://tinyurl.com/58hszz
    Alaska Business Monthly: We’ve lost a lot of Alaska’s military members to the war in Iraq. How do you feel about sending more troops into battle, as President Bush is suggesting?
    Palin: I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place; I want assurances that we are doing all we can to keep our troops safe. Every life lost is such a tragedy. I am very, very proud of the troops we have in Alaska, those fighting overseas for our freedoms, and the families here who are making so many sacrifices.
    absolutely unfuckingbelievable. a sitting governor who is now on the republican ticket hadn’t “really thought much about iraq” as recently as last summer.
    incidently my nephew who was in 8th grade did a semester long project on the iraq war in 2004!

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  113. JohnH says:

    At least Republicans’ talking points get well represented here by the ditto-head who identifies himself as Tahoe Editor. At least he saves me from wasting my time listening to the talking heads on cable TV.

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  114. Arun says:

    That cartoon is from the country bordering Alaska.

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  115. Tahoe Editor says:

    “total obscurity”? — there are only 50 governors (not 57, Barack). She’s less obscure than many senators.
    The choice of Palin both mocks the Democratic nominee’s inexperience and draws attention to Obama’s disdain for small-town Christian gun owners who he says are bitter and cling to antipathy to people who aren’t like them. McCain is saying, you mean people like this? Like Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin? Sarah Palin, who by the way alleviates the right’s concerns about McCain’s conservative credentials, brings the only executive experience to either ticket and also happens to bring history-making Changeâ„¢?
    The Republicans want liberals and radical centrists to hysterically hit the panic button and insinuate the government will collapse.
    That tiny question mark over Palin’s head gets magnified, and then they put it over Obama’s head.
    McLaughlin is already talking about Palin vs. Clinton in 2012.

    Tim Pawlenty didn’t miss a beat in defending Palin and contrasting her with Obama’s lack of accomplishments on MTP today. This blog is peddling in rumors indeed.

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  116. JohnH says:

    Women should be appalled. Palin’s cinderella story is all too reminiscent of the way women have gotten ahead for centuries. Prince Charming rescues the damsel in distress or, in this case, in total obscurity, and makes her his princess. Followers of Anna Nicole Smith will recognize it immediately. At best, it’s the patronizing white dude in the corner office plucking the babe in the mailroom and making her his administrative assistant. At worst it’s a reminder that all to often for women, bedroom smarts have trumped boardroom smarts.
    The problem for Democrats is whether to let Palin self destruct or to call McCain on it. Hillary Clinton could help immensely by calling McCain’s selection for what it is. Even though Hillary’s success was in part attributable to marrying well, she is the most credible person to counter McCain’s decision, because she built herself a separate brand, became recognized as a highly competent partner in building Bill’s enterprise as well as being an expert on critical national and international issues. She got ahead the right way, not the traditional degrading way that women have gotten ahead for centuries.

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  117. Arun says:

    Palin was a journalism major, but
    “Kenton Bird, director of the University of Idaho’s School of Journalism and Mass Media, said she didn’t write for the independent college newspaper, The Argonaut, and didn’t do any work for the university television station KIUI while she was there”
    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/08/university_of_idaho_professors.html

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  118. Mr.Murder says:

    Lloyd Benson is twice the politician either of the Democratic ticket names are at this time.
    Please remind everyone just how bad the ticket really is. Benson was well spoken and accomplished. That’s what the B.O.B. ticket could hope to claim combined.

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  119. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Interesting. It now appears that Bristol was pulled out of school due to a bout of “mononucleosis” for a number of months.
    Interesting too that if you go to the so-called “conservative” websites, the defenses offered on behalf of this Palin fairy tale closely parallel Tahoe’s ridiculous horseshit.
    So, lets recap. A woman that is vehemently pro-life, 43 years old, announces she is seven months pregnant during the same time period that her seventeen year old daughter has been missing from school for a number of months due to an alleged bout of mono. Showing absolutely no physical signs of an advanced term pregnancy, and despite having a daughter that is too sick with mono to attend school, Palin continues her rigorous schedule, galivants all over the country on various political pursuits, between wilderness forays and commercial fishing trips with her Daniel Boone hubby. Finally landing in Dallas, she breaks water, gives a speech, boards a commercial red eye home, drives fifty miles, and delivers a happy bubbly infant with Downs Syndrome, who will be raised on moose steak and grizzly loin.
    Like I said, you just can’t make this shit up.
    Tahoe, if I was you, I’d fade quietly, and quickly, into obscurity. You’re about to be made into a total asshole by your obvious heroes.
    ——————-
    Bristol was driving around when she was “sick from Mono”…got in car accident in front on clinic
    The baby was born at Mat-Su Hospital in Wasilla, Alaska according to this link:
    http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html
    This is the small town where Palin’s parents live. It is also where Bristol Palin (age 17) had a car accident last February when she allegedly was too sick to go to school for 4 or 5 months. Supposedly the accident took place in front of a health clinic.
    http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:p-HvFrrqJyIJ:blog.m
    Wasilla Police Department On February 8, 2008, at 1737 hours, Wasilla Police responded to two vehicle collision at Seward Meridian Parkway and Fireweed Drive . Investigation revealed that Bristol Palin, age 17 of Wasilla, was driving a 4-door sedan and attempted to turn into a business when she struck a 2-door sedan driven by Joshua Moffet, age 19, of Wasilla. Palin was issued a citation for Failing to Use Due Care to Avoid a Collision. Moffet was issued a citation for an expired registration and no proof of insurance.
    End Quote
    http://www.reddit.com/comments/6f3nq/coverup_alaska_gov

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  120. Tahoe Editor says:

    Palin represents the Americans Barack Obama disparaged at his San Francisco fundraiser. She’s the conservative alternative. The country will love Palin as much as it loved Reagan.
    The more the Dems and radical centrists attack Palin’s credentials, the more they attack their own nominee.
    Clarence Page & Eleanor Clift were in full panic mode today, with Page screaming that Palin is less experienced than Abraham Lincoln was!
    Monica Crowley’s dream is that the Democrats continue to go down this road. She’s right.
    Arguing Palin is less experienced than Obama is a loser — even comparing Palin to Obama is a loser.
    Eleanor called Palin the “Entertainment Weekly” choice. If liberals and radical centrists continue down this condescending road, they will lose.
    Clarence Page is spitting at Rich Lowry that Lloyd Bentsen had such great stature and won the vice presidential debates! He wants us to remember LLOYD BENTSEN’S great lines! Who cares?! DAN QUAYLE was vice president.
    If Dan Quayle passed the test, Sarah Palin will pass with flying colors.
    Think of every Entertainment Weekly metaphor you can do disparage Sarah Palin. It only hurts the Democrats.

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  121. Palin is Pro-Life??? says:

    I wouldn’t usually recommend a site like this but
    WhatReallyHappened.com has a lot of stuff on Palin’s pregnancy.
    This includes a picture of Palin in an earlier pregnancy, when
    she looked like she was about to explode, like most pregnant
    women do at 8 months, but like she didn’t do with her fifth.
    Again, Palin has shown a reckless, callous and stupid streak
    whether she’s the mother of the little boy or not:
    * If she is, then Palin endangered her own child’s life by flying
    and driving after her water broke. Knowing full well that he
    needed extra medical care. But even if he hadn’t, what she did
    was irresponsible in the extreme.
    * If her daughter is the mother of this little boy, then Sarah Palin
    has put her child and her grandchild into an untenable situation
    to further her own ambition. She has exposed both her
    daughter, her grandson, and her political party to ridicule.
    I felt the same way about Edwards — his lies could have taken
    down the Democratic party, and yet he pursued the presidency
    knowing full well that the Enquirer was onto his affair.
    This is our business, in both the Edwards and the Palin case
    because Edwards might well have become the most powerful
    person on the planet, and if McCain kicks it, Palin might.
    And yet they have no hesitation, either of them, in putting their
    families into danger to further their own ambitions.
    If Edwards and Palin were private citizens their conduct would
    still be extremely reprehensible, but they are not private
    citizens. They are the would-be “leaders” of the free world, and
    as such should conduct themselves with a moral code.
    Both betrayed their families (as did McCain) and neither should
    be anywhere near a position of power.

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  122. readerOfTeaLeaves says:

    Well, I hope you find out the story behind this story — because
    the selection of Palin strikes this reader as completely bizarre.
    Here’s hoping a few of the fundies watch Putin speaking English
    on a video clip at CNN and consider whether they really think that
    Palin’s vast experience as Mayor of Wasilla is going to put her in
    good stead internationally.
    But hey, she was a better pick than Inhofe would have been, so
    there’s the up-side.
    Whoever was in on the Palin appointment should be fired
    unceremoniously and instantly.

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  123. Mr.Murder says:

    Mike Huckabee was not vetted, but Wayne Dumond was.
    Sounds like someone is channeling Axelrod’s text messager a lot these days….

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  124. dan watkins says:

    Re: the Palin selection: most sensible pundits have noted that the
    Palin selection is a clear reflection on Senator McCain’s lack of
    sound judgment. None, that I know of, have commented on the
    fact that her acceptance of the offer reflects glaringly on HER lack
    of sound judgment. That she accepted this offer even though she
    is clearly unqualified is a sign of chutzpah, at best.
    Thank you,
    Dan
    Pittsburgh, PA

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  125. tom.a says:

    I went through a more thorough job interview 15 years ago getting
    a summer job a Kinko’s than Palin appears to have gone through
    for the VP. I at least spoke with my future boss more than Palin
    seems to have done with McCain.
    This is a prime example of why McCain isn’t serious about this job,
    he’s serious about winning, but not about governing and if this
    wasn’t his choice, then what does that say about his buckling to
    advisors so easily. This pick makes me nervous, I’ll admit I’m not a
    McCain supporter, but this pick truly makes me afraid of him as
    President.

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  126. Palin is Pro-Life??? says:

    Now the rumor that Palin’s fifth child is not hers has become
    mainstream. My spouse said that Bill Maher was talking about it
    last night.
    If that isn’t Palin’s child, then Rove really screwed-up in the
    vetting process, such as it was.
    On the other hand, Rove is a master at taking lemons and
    making lemonade. I can see the spin now: Palin bravely
    protected her young daughter from “shame” (please note that I
    put “shame” into italics) and born agains actually only have to
    accept Christ as their savior to be forgiven from sin. So the
    daughter’s covered.
    Plus, to the family’s credit (in Fundie speak) they kept the child
    after knowing it had Down’s.
    The only reason this should concern us either way is:
    * If it is Palin’s child then her actions surrounding the birth
    showed stupidity, recklessness and callousness.
    * If it is her daughter’s (and I feel for that poor young girl, thrust
    into this situation when she should have had her privacy) Palin
    should have never accepted the nomination. Which again
    shows stupidity, recklessness and callousness, directed towards
    both her party and her daughter.
    In addition, Palin thinks abstinence only programs work, and will
    try to foist them on every other young woman in this country.
    Well, if the latter is true, abstinence only didn’t even work in her
    Fundie family.
    So the bottom line is that Palin showed a complete disregard for
    her party and her family whether the child is hers or not.

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