White House Calls on Jewish Groups to Line Up Behind John Bolton

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It’s hard to imagine something more cynical than the White House exploiting Middle East convulsions — in which many innocents on all sides are dying in real time — to divide Americans at home in order to try and squeeze through the Senate confirmation of the pugnacious radicalizer and international de-stabilizer, John Bolton.
Today, several reports have come to The Washington Note that Jay Zeidman, the influential 24-year old White House liaison to the Jewish community, is putting out the call to prominent American Jewish organizations to support John Bolton — with the arm-twisting innuendo that in this time of crisis in the Middle East, American Jews need to line up behind the guy Jesse Helms said “is the kind of man with whom I would want to stand at Armageddon, if it should be my lot to be on hand for what is forecast to be the final battle between good and evil in this world.”
That’s exactly the kind of unstable world that Bolton seems constantly trying to stir up.
Zeidman has sent the word out to numerous Jewish organizations asking “What can the White House expect in terms of supporting John Bolton?”
Why would Israelis here or abroad want someone whose best skill seems to be antagonism and fiery, flamboyant stridency that rarely achieves a positive outcome. One would think that Israel and members of the American Jewish community would want someone helping to steward their concerns in the UN who was actually good at achieving stabilizing results that can stand the test of time.
Bolton blows things up. And we’ve had enough of that in the Middle East.
Zeidman is the son of prominent Greenberg Traurig attorney Fred S. Zeidman who is actively involved in leading Republican Jewish activities in Texas and is Vice Chairman of the Republican Jewish Coalition.
A bio of Fred Zeidman reports these affiliations:

Mr. Zeidman is very active in community and political affairs in Texas and nationwide. He holds leadership positions in the Anti-Defamation League (Southwest Region), the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), the Republican Jewish Coalition, the Texas Inter-Faith Housing Corp., and the Houston Jewish Community Foundation. He is also Texas Chairman of the State of Israel Bonds and a member of the Board of Development Corporation of Israel.
He formerly served as co-chairman of the finance committee of the Republican Party of Harris County, Texas, and formerly served on the finance committee of the Republican Party of Texas, and is a Ranger for the Bush Campaign. Mr. Zeidman previously served as Vice Chairman, Board of Regents at Texas Southern University. In addition, Mr. Zeidman was vice-chairman of the Dole/Kemp presidential campaign in Harris County and has been a key Jewish advisor to Republican congressional and senatorial delegations nationwide. Fred Zeidman graduated Washington University and received an MBA from New York University.

The Bolton battle will be messy. It is clear that the dynamics of a new Bolton battle are different than March-September 2005, but still — it will be messy. It is outrageous that the White House would yet again exploit RELIGIOUS IDENTITY and the worsening Middle East crisis just before Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has gone to the Middle East to hopefully broker a diplomatic effort.
Shame on the White House — again.
— Steve Clemons

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    t is all very clear and not difficult to understand at all. If Israel has purchased American political parties, and America has installed Iraqi parties in a new democracy, then, Iraq must support Israel or at least not be critical. Americans have mastered how democracy works and expect no less from other democracies that we create.

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    The alternative is the million-death eternal non-solution.

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  10. roci says:

    why is there even an ‘why is there a liaison for jewish affairs’.
    i don’t think there’s one for Italian affiars.

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  11. minimax says:

    Maybe Iraqis just can�t understand democracies and how they work. For example, Congressional Democrats, known for their sensitivity and antiwar fervor, responded in disbelief and horror to Mr. Nuri al-Maliki, the prime minister of a newly democratized Iraq, who criticized Israel, a model democracy, for its invasion of Lebanon and attack on Hamas, the recently freely elected, but unacceptable, government of the Palestinians. Although Congressional Democrats are the party of peace and a strong opponent of the Republican President�s war making, they want Prime Minister Maliki to apologize for such antidemocratic thoughts or be denied a leadership role by the American occupation forces in his country. Democrats noted that at least three hundred billion American dollars and many lives, mostly Iraqi, have been the cost of democratizing Iraq so far and they want results.
    Iraqis don�t seem to understand that when a foreign country and its lobbies, take Israel and the Israel lobby for example, buy the policy agenda of a political party, the American Democrats, for example, Democrats are expected to support Israel without the slightest hesitation regardless of what Israel does. To do otherwise would be disloyal to Israel and antidemocratic.
    It is all very clear and not difficult to understand at all. If Israel has purchased American political parties, and America has installed Iraqi parties in a new democracy, then, Iraq must support Israel or at least not be critical. Americans have mastered how democracy works and expect no less from other democracies that we create.

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  12. Kathleen says:

    Rove must be laughing his ass off with the split now occurring with the Dems over what is now going on in the Middle East between Israel and Lebanon. Masterful way to squeeze Bolton down the Dems’ throats with Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer in New York, and Joe Lieberman in CT.
    I met many young Israelis at the UN in Geneva who oppose their gov’t’s actions just as we often object to ours. They work with young Palestinians to bring about a peaceful settlement.
    American Jews at this moment need to remember that both Jews in Israel and Arabs in Palestine and Lebanon are all safer and closer to peace when all the gov’t’s are liberal and peaceful. NeoNutz in all countries bring about the deaths of many more people as they use fear to wrest power from effective caring governments.
    This new war will effect our midterm elections, and they know it. So what if people die? They are writing history with their own names at the heads of chapters. There will be no cease fire, while Americans are in harms’ way, waiting to be evacuated,hopefully before they are killed by the weapons they helped supply to Israel.
    Not disputing who started it or who has a right to defend themselves, why not a cease fire at least until all foreign nationals are out of harm’s way? I say because Das Bush and Darth VEEP were praying for some Americans to get killed to justify their bombimg the crap out of the whole area, Jews and Arabs.

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  14. Pissed Off American says:

    David: Does your post make more sense in its orginal Klingon? It is incomprehensible.
    Posted by Matthew
    Its not supposed to be comprehensible. Its only supposed to be acerbic. And it isn’t Klingon, its classic Far Right Trollspeak.

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  15. Matthew says:

    David: Does your post make more sense in its orginal Klingon? It is incomprehensible.

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  16. David says:

    matthew:
    excuse me while i vomit on you. still don’t have a clue, huh? it ain’t a zero sum game of human suffering in israel and the middle east. considering the lack of understanding that you show for BOTH sides in the israel/palestinian/islamist nightmare in the ME, your post is INTELLECTUAL pornography.
    POA:
    Do you do anything besides troll this website day after day?
    Steve Clemmons:
    before the israel/lebanon conflict, the last time i saw this website you had a great post on the imminent rove indictment. you sure were ahead of the curve on that one.

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  17. Pissed Off American says:

    Too emotional? Too florid? Too bad.
    Posted by Vynette
    Actually, it was too deceptive. Keep it up and I will once again have to start posting the ACTUAL NUMBERS of dead and maimed, comparing the numbers between Pals and Israelis.
    So, before I post TRUTHS that you would prefer not see the light of day, perhaps you ought to go to your supervisor and request a different script.

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  18. Matthew says:

    You are kidding, right? Considering how much misery Israel is inflicting on Palestinians and Lebanese, your post is emotional pornography. How dare you compare Israeli inconvenience with wholesale IDF murder of Palestinians. The arrogance of your post is unbelievable. It represents the worst aspects of Zionist thought: the belief that Jewish suffering trumps all others. Excuse me while I vomit.

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  19. Vynette says:

    Seeing there’s fair dollop of emotion here, please let me join in.
    Appeals to the historic perspective don’t work..what about the reality of Israel’s situation NOW? Or do we just emote from armchairs?
    I’ve recently wandered through parts of Israel. Some sights are permanent brands.
    Everywhere, little children on school excursions trotting along with armed guards in tow.
    At Masada, a group of high school kids on an excursion, now the armed guards are two of their own.
    In Jerusalem, a detachment of soldiers, all girls of about seventeen or eighteen, now they’ve graduated as armed guards for the whole population.
    This is how they have to live every single day of their lives. Not occasionally, or just when a crisis crops up, but permanently.
    Just how many of our kids have to live like this? And don’t tell me the Lebanese or the Palestinians do, everyday, all of the time, because they don’t.
    Or how about living with the fear, every day, that there are people out there who want to eliminate you, your parents, your country, forever.
    These kids have nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. When any of you can say you’d just sit back and let your kids live like that, everyday, I’ll take you seriously.
    I know what I’d do when I grew up…create a buffer zone, build the biggest damn wall I can hide behind, and beg borrow or steal the biggest damn guns I could find to surround myself.
    Too emotional? Too florid? Too bad.

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  20. David says:

    As usual, Dylan is spot on, but then again he’s a dirty Jew as well, right? rock on, you “liberal” fascists.
    NEIGHBORHOOD BULLY
    Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man,
    His enemies say he’s on their land.
    They got him outnumbered about a million to one,
    He got no place to escape to, no place to run.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    The neighborhood bully just lives to survive,
    He’s criticized and condemned for being alive.
    He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin,
    He’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land,
    He’s wandered the earth an exiled man.
    Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn,
    He’s always on trial for just being born.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized,
    Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
    Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad.
    The bombs were meant for him.
    He was supposed to feel bad.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
    That he’ll live by the rules that the world makes for him,
    ‘Cause there’s a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
    And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    He got no allies to really speak of.
    What he gets he must pay for, he don’t get it out of love.
    He buys obsolete weapons and he won’t be denied
    But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    Well, he’s surrounded by pacifists who all want peace,
    They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease.
    Now, they wouldn’t hurt a fly.
    To hurt one they would weep.
    They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    Every empire that’s enslaved him is gone,
    Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon.
    He’s made a garden of paradise in the desert sand,
    In bed with nobody, under no one’s command.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    Now his holiest books have been trampled upon,
    No contract he signed was worth what it was written on.
    He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth,
    Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    What’s anybody indebted to him for?
    Nothin’, they say.
    He just likes to cause war.
    Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed,
    They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    What has he done to wear so many scars?
    Does he change the course of rivers?
    Does he pollute the moon and stars?
    Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill,
    Running out the clock, time standing still,
    Neighborhood bully.
    Copyright © 1983 Special Rider Music

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  21. MP says:

    POA responds:
    I feel the same way about some of the more militant latino illegals. But in the case of Israel, I particular loathe those that claim to be patriotic americans, yet their allegiance is to Israel.
    TENDENTIOUS. THEY BELIEVE THEIR COUNTRY, AMERICA, SHOULD SUPPORT ISRAEL. BIG DIFFERENCE.
    But they are far from a majority. Must I start citing the polls YOU KNOW exist that prove the vast majority of American’s are NOT in favor of our support of Israel??? Are you telling me that in a Democratic America a comparitive handfull of jews should usurp the will of the majority? 78% of Americans polled were against the recent resolution that PASSED in support of Israel. Does that strike you as democratic??? THAT is what the BRIBERY of our public officials has wrought, a complete perversion of the representative process. That one example is a glaring case of our so called “representatives” paying their “bill” to AIPAC, against the will of the people.
    SORRY, WE DON’T MAKE DECISIONS BY POLLS OR REFERENDA–THIS IS NOT OUR SYSTEM. EVERY GROUP, BY ITSELF, IS A MINORITY. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ARGUE THEIR CASE AND LOBBY FOR THEIR CASE. SOME ARE BETTER AT IT THAN OTHERS. EVEN M&W SAY THIS. I AGREE THAT MONEY HAS POLLUTED THE POLITICAL SPHERE. BUT PEOPLE STILL HAVE THE VOTE AND THE RIGHT TO RUN FOR OFFICE. GERRYMANDERING PROTECTS INCUMBENTS AND THIS NEEDS TO BE SERIOUSLY REFORMED.
    BUT IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS, A BETTER STRATEGY IS TO USE THE LEVERAGE THAT AID AFFORDS YOU.
    But by your own admission, that is NOT what is occurring. We ARE not exercising leverage over the Israelis, THEY are exercising leverage over US due to their successful corruption of our representative bodies through bribery, strong-arming, and blackmail. Exercising “leverage” about their treatment of the Palestinians isn’t exactly carried out by financing the Isreali procurement of weaponry, and rushing bombs to them so they can kill a bunch more Muslim’s while we STALL a diplomatic solution.
    NO, I AGREE. WE AREN’T EXERCISING OUR LEVERAGE. WE SHOULD; THAT WAS MY POINT. WE HAVE TO VOTE THESE PEOPLE OUT OF OFFICE. ISRAEL CAN’T FORCE THE US TO DO ANYTHING. SAYING THEY CAN IS JUST ANOTHER VERSION OF JEW-BAITING. FOR EXAMPLE, HERE AT THIS LINK, YOU WILL “LEARN” WITH PLENTY OF LINKS AND CITES TO “BACK IT UP” THAT JEWS AND ZIONISTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING FROM COLUMBINE TO 9/11 TO OKLAHOMA CITY. OH AND AUSCHWITZ WAS A MODEL CITY AND NO JEWS DIED THERE! http://judicial-inc.biz/Dov_zakheim.htm IT’S ALWAYS THE JEWS, SEE? NO ONE ELSE IS EVIL OR SHIFTY ENOUGH TO PULL IT ALL OFF. THE POOR, DUMB GOYIM AND ARABS ARE ALWAYS TOO WEAK, TOO TRUSTING, TOO POOR, TOO STUPID, TOO GOOD TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST THIS .000001% OF THE POPULATION BENT ON WORLD DOMINATION. HEY, MAYBE THIS IS WHERE CARROLL GETS HER INFO!
    NOT THE JEWS LIVING HERE WHO SUPPORT ISRAEL. SORRY. THEY’RE AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU.
    They are also a minority. Is this a Democracy or not? Yes or no?
    YES, THOUGH IMPERFECT. MINORITIES HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ATTEMPT TO STEER EVENTS. EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT; WHY SHOULDN’T THEY? JUST BECAUSE THEY’RE A MINORITY DOESN’T MEAN THEY HAVE TO SIT QUIETLY UNTIL THEY’RE CALLED ON.
    BTW, It is comical the way you clowns always IGNORE the citation of incidences where Israel has committed acts of espionage agaiunst us. Tell me, is that the act of a true “ally”?
    ANY AMERICAN, JEWISH OR NOT, CAUGHT SPYING ON AMERICA SHOULD BE PUNISHED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ALL ALLIES SPY ON EACH OTHER AND ALWAYS HAVE AT DIFFERENT TIMES. SOME CLAIM THAT FDR PROVOKED PEARL HARBOR (OR DIDN’T INTERFERE WITH IT) TO GET US INTO THE WAR ON THE SIDE OF BRITAIN, PERHAPS AT BRITAIN’S URGING, BECAUSE MOST AMERICANS WEREN’T READY TO GO TO WAR TO HELP THEIR ALLY. ALLIES HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF SELF-INTERESTS WHICH THEY PURSUE WITHOUT REGARD TO THEIR ALLIES’ NEEDS AND INTERESTS. ONCE THOUGHT TO BE THE GREATEST PRESIDENT OF THE 20TH CENTURY…MAYBE FDR SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPELLED AS A TRAITOR.
    Posted by Pissed Off American at July 24, 2006 11:40 AM

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  22. David says:

    save your breath, MP.
    POA and Carrol can’t help themselves.
    they remind me of children who just learned to speak; not knowing what they’re saying, but unable to stop themselves.

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  23. Pissed Off American says:

    I feel the same way about some of the more militant latino illegals. But in the case of Israel, I particular loathe those that claim to be patriotic americans, yet their allegiance is to Israel.
    TENDENTIOUS. THEY BELIEVE THEIR COUNTRY, AMERICA, SHOULD SUPPORT ISRAEL. BIG DIFFERENCE.
    But they are far from a majority. Must I start citing the polls YOU KNOW exist that prove the vast majority of American’s are NOT in favor of our support of Israel??? Are you telling me that in a Democratic America a comparitive handfull of jews should usurp the will of the majority? 78% of Americans polled were against the recent resolution that PASSED in support of Israel. Does that strike you as democratic??? THAT is what the BRIBERY of our public officials has wrought, a complete perversion of the representative process. That one example is a glaring case of our so called “representatives” paying their “bill” to AIPAC, against the will of the people.
    BUT IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS, A BETTER STRATEGY IS TO USE THE LEVERAGE THAT AID AFFORDS YOU.
    But by your own admission, that is NOT what is occurring. We ARE not exercising leverage over the Israelis, THEY are exercising leverage over US due to their successful corruption of our representative bodies through bribery, strong-arming, and blackmail. Exercising “leverage” about their treatment of the Palestinians isn’t exactly carried out by financing the Isreali procurement of weaponry, and rushing bombs to them so they can kill a bunch more Muslim’s while we STALL a diplomatic solution.
    NOT THE JEWS LIVING HERE WHO SUPPORT ISRAEL. SORRY. THEY’RE AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU.
    They are also a minority. Is this a Democracy or not? Yes or no?
    BTW, It is comical the way you clowns always IGNORE the citation of incidences where Israel has committed acts of espionage agaiunst us. Tell me, is that the act of a true “ally”?

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  24. MP says:

    MY COMMENTS IN CAPS (NOT YELLING):
    POA writes:
    “Those that place that the interests of a foreign nation above our own interests should leave. And it is not anti-semitic for me to make that “suggestion”.
    NO, IT’S NOT. BUT WHETHER THEY ARE PUTTING ISRAEL’S INTERESTS AHEAD OF THE US’S IS A DEBATABLE CONCLUSION. NOT BY YOU OR CARROLL, BUT BY A LOT OF PEOPLE.
    I feel the same way about some of the more militant latino illegals. But in the case of Israel, I particular loathe those that claim to be patriotic americans, yet their allegiance is to Israel.
    TENDENTIOUS. THEY BELIEVE THEIR COUNTRY, AMERICA, SHOULD SUPPORT ISRAEL. BIG DIFFERENCE.
    Here is a nation that bribes our public offficials. Commits false flag terrorist attacks against us. Commits acts of espionage against us. Uses the blood of our soldiers to further their own interests.
    MANY DIFFERENT SPECIAL INTERESTS “BRIBE” OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS–MOST OF THEM ARE SOLIDLY AMERICAN, YET I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THEM. W&M’S CONCLUSIONS AREN’T A GIVEN IN MY BOOK. EVEN AIPAC WOULDN’T BE PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE IF THEY COULDN’T BACK IT UP WITH VOTES. VOTES BY AMERICANS WHO HAPPEN TO DISAGREE WITH YOU. MUCH EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PRESENTED ON THE LIBERTY INCIDENT, BUT THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT GOES THE OTHER WAY, TOO. I ASSUME YOU’RE SPEAKING ABOUT IRAQ. AMERICAN JEWRY OVERWHELMINGLY DISAPPROVED OF IRAQ. ISRAEL DIDN’T SEND AMERICAN SOLDIERS INTO IRAQ–AMERICA DID. IT’S TEMPTING, BUT YOU CAN’T BLAME IT ALL ON THE JEWS. THEY JUST DON’T HAVE THAT MUCH POWER. BELIEVING THAT THEY DO IS CLASSIC ANTI-SEMITISM. YOU QUOTE SHARON AS TELLING PERES THAT HE CONTROLS WASHINGTON. BUT DOES HE? I THINK NOT. IS HE PERSUASIVE SURE–WHY NOT? ARE JEWS ONLY LOVABLE WHEN THEY HAVE NO POWER AND ARE GETTING THE CRAP BEATEN OUT OF THEM?
    Drains our coffers of countless billions of dollars monthly. And I will not even get into their criminal treatment of the Palestinians, their continued failure to abide by the UN resolutions directed against them, or their recent criminal attack on the nation of Lebanon.
    IN ALL THE UN RESOLUTIONS CITED, NO ONE EVER MENTIONS 181, THE ONE THAT GIVES INTERNATIONAL LEGITIMACY TO THE STATE OF ISRAEL. IF HAMAS, HIZBOLLAH, FATAH, SYRIA, IRAN, AND OTHER MUSLIM NATIONS STATED THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS TINY DETAIL, AND ACTED ON IT, A LOT OF THINGS WOULD CHANGE.
    THE LEBANESE INVASION MUST STOP IMMEDIATELY. THE LOSS OF CIVILIAN LIFE IS INEXCUSABLE AND BUSHCO, AS USUAL, ARE MIA IN THE MIDDLE EAST EXCEPT TO SCREW UP IRAQ.
    BUT I WONDER IF HIZBOLLAH AND HAMAS WILL GIVE UP THEIR ROCKETS WHOSE ONLY USEFUL PURPOSE IS KILLING CIVILIANS. LEBANON CAN’T MAKE THEM DO IT, IT SEEMS. SYRIA WON’T; THEY CAN’T WAIT TO GET BACK INTO LEBANON. IRAN CERTAINLY WON’T. SA IS TOO BUSY TRAINING JIHADIS. WE KNOW JORDAN IS FECKLESS. MY GOSH, WESTERN EUROPE WON’T DO IT. HOW ABOUT THAT GREAT DEMOCRACY EGYPT? OR LIBYA? EVERYONE’S JUST TOO DARN WEAK, INEFFECTUAL, OR UNINTERESTED TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL–EXCEPT BLAME THE JEWS. I’D CALL THAT ANTISEMITISM.
    To support Israel above our own interewsts is tantamount to treason as far as I am concerned, for they have committed acts of war against US with their espionage and their attacks upon us, such as the Liberty incident. And NONE of that has a God damned thing to do with the Jewish faith.
    And as far as Carroll’s comment about “Jews are the victims of themselves” I suggest you peruse Zekes comments, where he makes the same comment about the Arabs. Are his zionist views any less bigoted?
    I WILL. ALL PEOPLE ARE, AT TIMES, VICTIMS OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS. JEWS ARE NO EXCEPTIONS. AND CERTAINLY THE PALS HAVE MADE THEIR SHARE OF MISSTEPS. THIS DOESN’T ERASE THE INJUSTICE DONE TO THEM OR THEIR RIGHT TO THEIR OWN STATE.
    BUT CARROLL’S COMMENTS, HERE AND ELSEWHERE, GO TO THE LONG HISTORY OF ANTI-SEMITISM JEWS HAVE SUFFERED.
    Seems to me we can argue this useless horseshit ’till hell freezes over, but it does not change one iota about the actual REALITY of Israel’s actions, both in Palestine, and in Lebanon. Nor does it ERASE their acts of espionage waged against us, nor does it stop thier bribery of our elected representatives, nor does it halt the flow of MY money we send to them in obscene amounts to FINANCE what I describe above.
    IT ALSO DOESN’T CHANGE THE ACTIONS OF THE PALS, HAMAS, OR HIZBOLLAH…OR THE STANCE OF MUCH OF THE ARAB WORLD TOWARD ISRAEL.
    Fuck ’em. And not because they’re jews, but because they are draining my country’s treasury, because they are engaged in despicable acts of human rights abuses, and because they have shown that they have no qualms about acting against America with acts of war and acts of espionage.
    NOT THE JEWS LIVING HERE WHO SUPPORT ISRAEL. SORRY. THEY’RE AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU.
    I WOULD SAY THIS ABOUT THE MONEY WE SEND TO ISRAEL: IT’S OUR ONLY LEVERAGE OVER THEM, AND WE SHOULD USE IT. IF WE CUT OFF THE MONEY, YOU MIGHT FEEL BETTER MORALLY, BUT YOU WILL ACTUALLY HAVE LESS LEVERAGE OVER ISRAEL. TO BE SURE, WE HAVEN’T USED THAT LEVERAGE AND AREN’T LIKELY TO WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION OR THIS CONGRESS. THEN AGAIN, NEITHER ARE WE LIKELY TO CUT OFF AID.
    BUT IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS, A BETTER STRATEGY IS TO USE THE LEVERAGE THAT AID AFFORDS YOU.

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  25. Pissed Off American says:

    Those that place that the interests of a foreign nation above our own interests should leave. And it is not anti-semitic for me to make that “suggestion”. I feel the same way about some of the more militant latino illegals. But in the case of Israel, I particular loathe those that claim to be patriotic americans, yet their allegiance is to Israel. Here is a nation that bribes our public offficials. Commits false flag terrorist attacks against us. Commits acts of espionage against us. Uses the blood of our soldiers to further their own interests. Drains our coffers of countless billions of dollars monthly. And I will not even get into their criminal treatment of the Palestinians, their continued failure to abide by the UN resolutions directed against them, or their recent criminal attack on the nation of Lebanon. To support Israel above our own interewsts is tantamount to treason as far as I am concerned, for they have committed acts of war against US with their espionage and their attacks upon us, such as the Liberty incident. And NONE of that has a God damned thing to do with the Jewish faith.
    And as far as Carroll’s comment about “Jews are the victims of themselves” I suggest you peruse Zekes comments, where he makes the same comment about the Arabs. Are his zionist views any less bigoted?
    Seems to me we can argue this useless horseshit ’till hell freezes over, but it does not change one iota about the actual REALITY of Israel’s actions, both in Palestine, and in Lebanon. Nor does it ERASE their acts of espionage waged against us, nor does it stop thier bribery of our elected representatives, nor does it halt the flow of MY money we send to them in obscene amounts to FINANCE what I describe above.
    Fuck ’em. And not because they’re jews, but because they are draining my country’s treasury, because they are engaged in despicable acts of human rights abuses, and because they have shown that they have no qualms about acting against America with acts of war and acts of espionage.

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  26. MP says:

    KOJ writes: “David: Looks like Carrol is a real American and belongs here, and it is better both for you and us if you, David, go to Israel…”
    Neither were they real Germans, or real French, or real Poles, or real Iraqis and on and on. As soon as we take care of the un-real American Jews, we can move on to the un-real American Mexicans and whomever else we deem to hold strong views that disagree with ours. What does Carroll say to KOJ? “Thank KOJ.”
    Yes, POA, anti-Semitism is alive and well, but guess what? It’s all the fault of the Jews themselves! I guess the blacks strung themselves up on the Poplar tree and just invited the real Americans over for a photo op.

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  27. MP says:

    Carroll writes: “My opinion is that jews are the victims of themselves and their leaders reinforcing that “tribal” victimhood mentality for purposes of power and control until it has become a collective neurosis that seperates them from the rest of humanity and makes them feel they are entitled to do anthing for their own interest and tribe. Like any other cult or exactly like the whacko wingnuts in any religious or political movement.”
    POA, I missed this one. “Jews are the victims of themselves.” Clearly, an ignorant and anti-Semitic remark. Carroll claims to have done some historical research, but she’s come to a strange conclusion. To be sure, all peoples do things that aren’t in their own best interests. But to make this remark shows just how poor her research is.

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  28. MP says:

    Carroll writes: “I hate Jews? That’s news to me.
    Actually I feel sorry for the Jews who have been brainwashed for centuries into their “them against the world”.
    POA, here’s another one. And actually, these two are not the first. However, I don’t believe Carroll is a Jew-hater. Truth is, I don’t know her and wouldn’t know if she is. But her comment here partakes of a generalized anti-Semitism that floats through the culture. You can call it a set of assumptions. You can call it ignorant lack of historical knowledge (it is). The notion that Jews have been treated as second-class citizens, persecuted, and killed all over the world, and, in Europe, wiped out (virtually) is not a function of brainwashing or a fairy tale. That the world has, and often still does, hate them is not all in their heads. Of course, Jewish history is not only about anti-semitism; Jews have flourished in various periods. But the other is also a long, odious and true history. Denying this, or attempting to argue that this is all about brainwashing by the Jews’ crazy leaders is anti-Semitic. Carroll may not be an anti-Semite; personally, I don’t think she is–but this comment, and some other things she’s said, are.

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  29. Will says:

    It’s a shame that some people seem unable to separate their overwhelming emotional investment in the Israel-Lebanon situation, from the discussion at hand – the politics surrounding the Bolton renomination.
    It’s a shame because such hyperventilating, (some well meaning, some not), tends to undermine this site’s consistent liberal internationalist message, by conflating the urgency of the war’s humanitarian fallout with the Bolton situation at a personal level. It also provides Israel exceptionalists with evidence for, what is in my view, their completely caricatured take on the opposing view.
    There’s a wealth of information on why Bolton is inappropriate for the job. In particular, how his supposed reform label, which tends to be bandied about by clueless anti -UN crusaders, hides an approach which is at best petulant and unhelpful and at worst an opportunistic sabotage of real reform opportunities. Why the kind of extremist AIPAC constituency he represents is radically different from both the mainstream Jewish American community, and indeed, the kind of diverse polity found in Israel itself. But unfortunately we don’t seem to be discussing any of that..…

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  30. david says:

    My husband’s a Jew and Arabs are Semites, he’s not — he’s a European Jew. My comment was about what we encountered in Thailand (the north, not the south) and India, in terms of him being a Jew.
    I had honestly wondered why he was treated with such hostility by Buddhists and Hindus.
    And, to explain, after researching the real cause of “anti-Jew” feelings I think it’s because Jews, even in India, were money-lenders, so Hindus don’t think that Jews are bad because they voted for Jesus to be killed (the reason Jews claim explains why many Christian sects hate them) — the Hindus were simply pissed off because of the high interest rates.
    If I am *anti-Jew*, then I guess I sleep with *the enemy* every night… Also that ol’ slur “anti-Semite” is getting mighty tired, give it a rest, huh?
    But also, when I talked to hotel owners about the hostility directed towards my husband, they just said that Israelis were nasty customers.
    Go figure — I’m not making it up. And our kids, because of Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians, Lebanese, and her role in the Iraq war (the kids go to a very good school, so their classmates have an excellent grasp of world events) are now being called “dirty Jews.”
    Thanks Israel.
    Posted by Suki at July 23, 2006 08:25 PM
    thank YOU, suki. that explains everything. i’ll call on you the next time i need someone to rationalize their hatred of jews.
    oh, and david duke? he doesn’t hate blacks. he has lots of black friends.

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  31. slackdaemon says:

    jew, christian, muslim, israeli, american &c. doesn’t matter, you’re all toast. i only hope the first bombs to hit the US (oh yeah, they’re coming and you ALL know it) hit me directly. this is SO fucked. and to think you ALL spew about how your god is love. what bullshit.

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  32. david says:

    “Conversely, if you’re wrong, will you admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about?”
    absolutely.

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  33. Suki says:

    My husband’s a Jew and Arabs are Semites, he’s not — he’s a European Jew. My comment was about what we encountered in Thailand (the north, not the south) and India, in terms of him being a Jew.
    I had honestly wondered why he was treated with such hostility by Buddhists and Hindus.
    And, to explain, after researching the real cause of “anti-Jew” feelings I think it’s because Jews, even in India, were money-lenders, so Hindus don’t think that Jews are bad because they voted for Jesus to be killed (the reason Jews claim explains why many Christian sects hate them) — the Hindus were simply pissed off because of the high interest rates.
    If I am *anti-Jew*, then I guess I sleep with *the enemy* every night… Also that ol’ slur “anti-Semite” is getting mighty tired, give it a rest, huh?
    But also, when I talked to hotel owners about the hostility directed towards my husband, they just said that Israelis were nasty customers.
    Go figure — I’m not making it up. And our kids, because of Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians, Lebanese, and her role in the Iraq war (the kids go to a very good school, so their classmates have an excellent grasp of world events) are now being called “dirty Jews.”
    Thanks Israel.

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  34. Pissed Off American says:

    And you left out the fact that I am also a congress “hater” and neo “hater”.
    Posted by Carroll
    Count me in as a Bush abhorer and a Cheney loather.

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  35. Matthew says:

    Dear David: God help me that I’m wrong about this country attacking Iran before the November elections. I would be absolutely esctatic if I’m wrong.
    Conversely, if you’re wrong, will you admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about?
    P.S. I wonder if Steve is still impressed by Amir Peretz?

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  36. Carroll says:

    Hitler couldn’t have said it better, Carrol.
    Me? I’m much more scared of Christians. Just look at YOUR track record and death toll.
    Posted by david at July 23, 2006 10:19 AM
    I hate Jews? That’s news to me.
    Actually I feel sorry for the Jews who have been brainwashed for centuries into their “them against the world”.
    I guess if I was a German in 1938 and had pointed out the country had a problem with nazis and brownshirts who were leading the country to ruin I would have been “anti-gentile” or “hated” Germans.
    That the Israeli zionist element is at least 50% responsible for perverting our policy in the ME and is bad for this country is political reality. As long as they are doing this you can expect people to comment on it.
    And you left out the fact that I am also a congress “hater” and neo “hater”.

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  37. Pissed Off American says:

    “I honestly used to wonder why Jews were hated throughout the centuries in non-Christian, non-Muslim, countries, now I think I know.”
    Posted by Suki
    There is the first post I have seen here that could honestly be construed as being “anti-semitic”. Interesting that it was posted by someone that heretofore has never posted here. Interesting too that one of the “Israel defenders” found the post immediately, and commented on it. Even MORE interesting is that my requests for ANY examples of anti-semitism here can now be answered by citing that ONE SINGLE POST.
    I doubt we will see “Suki” again. Or, on second thought, maybe my comment guarantees a resurrection.

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  38. Pissed Off American says:

    “I honestly used to wonder why Jews were hated throughout the centuries in non-Christian, non-Muslim, countries, now I think I know.”
    At least someone around here IS willing to admit
    that they hate jews. Kudos, Suki.
    Posted by David at July 23, 2006 10:15 AM
    ————-
    Matthew wrote:
    “It’s pretty clear that a war with Iran will start before the November elections. When your policies are failing, you have to enlarge the problem.”
    So, when you’re wrong will you finally admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about?
    Posted by David at July 23, 2006 01:54 PM
    ————-
    carol wrote:
    “And while this doesn’t apply to all jews, it is glaringly obvious we have a problem with the “zionist” jews in the US and something has to be done about them before they ruin this country.”
    Hitler couldn’t have said it better, Carrol.
    Me? I’m much more scared of Christians. Just look at YOUR track record and death toll.
    Posted by david at July 23, 2006 10:19 AM
    ———-
    Read the above posts. Anyone see anything there that is worthy of comment??? Anyone see anything there that lodges an effective explanation or defense of Israel’s actions??? Have you ever seen anything resembling constructive or intelligent comment from the quoted poster???
    Welcome to the wonderful world you enter when you criticize Israel.

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  39. David says:

    Matthew wrote:
    “It’s pretty clear that a war with Iran will start before the November elections. When your policies are failing, you have to enlarge the problem.”
    So, when you’re wrong will you finally admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about?

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  40. baffled says:

    a bit off tangent. isn’t the very notion of naming a think tank ‘JINSA’ (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) a direct acknowledgement that they’re pursuing policies not necessarily in the interest of ‘National Security’ but sectarian security? replace the word Jewish with Black, Hispanic or any other religious/ethnic identification and the absurdity becomes overwhelming.

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  41. Matthew says:

    POA: I’m particularly interested in her meeting with Abbas. If that man had any legitimacy, he, of course, would refuse to met with her until Israel releases the kidnapped Hamas legislators. This trip is probably her last trip to visit the House Arabs like both King Abdullahs and Mubarek. The atrocity being committed against Lebanon has completely delegitimized the US in the region.
    It’s pretty clear that a war with Iran will start before the November elections. When your policies are failing, you have to enlarge the problem.

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  42. Pissed Off American says:

    Ever notice how every time we have a post about Israel we get a bunch of people posting here that never post otherwise??? These people claim to represent America’s best interests, yet on the myriad of OTHER issues that Steve comments on, these people don’t post. Israel’s human rights abuses, as well as Israel’s acts of espionage against the United States and their bribery of our so called “representatives”, are huge issues, to be sure. But why are these so called “Americans” and “patriots” that post in Israel’s defense so silent about OTHER issues that affect our nation and our lives??? All Steve need do is post about Israel, and these people crawl out of the netherworld, drooling crap about “jew haters” and “anti-semites” to counter every post that is critical of Israel or America’s support of Israel.
    BTW, I guess we are sending a rush order of Smart Bombs to Israel. I was hopeful Condi was going over to exercise “diplomacy” and attempt to put an end to this madness. Little did I know. It appears she was just going over to suck Ohlmert off. Someone give her a Magic Marker, she can sign it “From America, with love”.

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  43. Matthew says:

    These last few posts are a waste of time. Debating the last 2000 years is a distraction. A policy is either good or bad. Like I’ve posted before, we need to address Israel as a real nation. It has strategic interests. It is a modern nation state, not a “providential” nation or “God’s instrument,” or the rest of that nonsense. If you want to have that argument, please post on John Hagee or Benny Hinn’s websites. All those type of arguments infuse irrationality into debate and prolong conflict.

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  44. david says:

    carol wrote:
    “And while this doesn’t apply to all jews, it is glaringly obvious we have a problem with the “zionist” jews in the US and something has to be done about them before they ruin this country.”
    Hitler couldn’t have said it better, Carrol.
    Me? I’m much more scared of Christians. Just look at YOUR track record and death toll.

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  45. David says:

    “I honestly used to wonder why Jews were hated throughout the centuries in non-Christian, non-Muslim, countries, now I think I know.”
    At least someone around here IS willing to admit
    that they hate jews. Kudos, Suki.

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  46. AlanDownunder says:

    If Bolton’s renomination were not the only US response to the Israeli escalation, I’d at least credit the administration with the ability to walk and chew gum.

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  47. Ann says:

    Boulton is an asshole jew. Since I’m jewish, I wish he was an asshole christian instead.

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  48. Sydney says:

    ABC’s correspondent Jane Hutcheon’s (July 23rd 7pm News) almost cheerful reporting from the Israeli-Lebanon border makes you wonder how much footage she saw on Lebanon’s destruction and the terrible human loss and suffering. Thank you for SBS World News in-depth reporting.

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  49. Carroll says:

    I honestly used to wonder why Jews were hated throughout the centuries in non-Christian, non-Muslim, countries, now I think I know.
    Posted by Suki at July 22, 2006 09:40 PM
    I think I see some parallels there also. Prior to 2001 I never thought about jews one way or another. I regarded jews as just people with another religion like Baptist or Budhist. None of the jews I know had much, or in fact anything that I can remember, to say about Israel. But then they are all here in the South and their familes have been here for several generations and well before WWII. That might explain their lack of attachment to Israel, as well as the fact that all of them but one are married to gentiles anyway so they aren’t exactly strict jews.
    However since then I have done a lot of research concerning Israel and zionism and see a lot of myth and misconceptions put out by the zionist..to say nothing of the media slant in the US concerning jews and Israel. My opinion is that jews are the victims of themselves and their leaders reinforcing that “tribal” victimhood mentality for purposes of power and control until it has become a collective neurosis that seperates them from the rest of humanity and makes them feel they are entitled to do anthing for their own interest and tribe. Like any other cult or exactly like the whacko wingnuts in any religious or political movement.
    And while this doesn’t apply to all jews, it is glaringly obvious we have a problem with the “zionist” jews in the US and something has to be done about them before they ruin this country.
    But to do anything about it we first have to bust up the other half of the problem, our corrupt congress, and put in some representives who will be loyal to America, not to Jewish campaign money.

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  50. Eikyu Saha says:

    Of course if Hezbollah does violence against Israel, Israel will never give up. But if Israel does enough violence against Hezbollah, then Hezbollah will somehow give up? Such is the claim of Israel, and it is the claim of stupid people. Likewise, Hezbollah offers a mirror image of the same stupidity. Bush not only provides weapons to abet this mutual attempt at genocide, he sprays gasoline onto the fire through his imbecilic diplomacy. We need to face the fact that the main players do not want peace: all they want is to maximize the death and damage. War criminals all around.

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  51. miles says:

    Awhile back someone asked why the Israelis were attacking the Christian regions. I would urge you to go back to 1996 when the powers that be created “in Defense of the Realm”…Richard Perle, Doug Feith et al. That is what is now taking place….regime change in Iraq…rolling back Lebanon , creating splits along religious lines to create instability…..read it..it sounds like science fiction, but they are doing it act by act.

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  52. Zeke says:

    Zeke: Filling in the gaps in your knowledge would take longer than reshelving the Library of Congress. Let me address you idiotic claim that other Arabs should be criticized for not white-washing Israel’s ethnic cleansing of Palestinians since 1948. If the Arab nations made them citizens, they would no longer be refugees–and hence, like all other refugees, they would have a right to return. By your logic, we shouldn’t have criticized Milosovic for ethnic cleansing Albanian Kosovars; we should have criticized Macedonians for not making them citizens. Yours is the ultimate echo chamber argument. And it has the hall mark of an AIPAC talking point. No sale.

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  53. zeke says:

    Checkmate?! i didn’t know we were playing chess, matthew.
    The point I am making is that Arabs have killed more Arabs than Israelis ever have or ever will. Arabs treat arabs with less respect than israelis ever have or ever will.
    Why are the Palestinians languishing while their muslim “brothers” are making billions? Vynette hit it right on the head:
    “And why have they (other Arab leaders) done nothing in sixty years? Because they have deliberately employed a policy of keeping the Palestinian ‘refugees’ firmly in place to use as a constantly available club to wield against the State of Israel.”
    …and, i might add, THEIR OWN PEOPLE. Nothing takes the pressure off you’re own corrupt, clueless regime like focusing your people’s anger on the israel and its intractable palestinian “problem.”
    There has been no greater enemy of the arab people than the arab people.
    one other important question that you conveniently left out in your above comparison between Hama and this latest conflict between israel and lebanon, Matthew: Has israel killed 20,000 arabs in the past week? NO. and maybe a second is in order: Was there 1/10 the public and international outcry when Assad bulldozed the fourth largest city in Syria as there has been to Israel’s response to constant bombardment from lebanon. NO
    checkmate (read with sarcasm).

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  54. Suki says:

    I honestly used to wonder why Jews were hated throughout the centuries in non-Christian, non-Muslim, countries, now I think I know.

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  55. Linda says:

    Maybe what this country and all the others need now are political and religious leaders like Gandhi and MLK. By land, sea, or air, violence solves nothing–never has and perhaps never will. Perservation of the planet and our species should be job one.

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  56. Matthew says:

    Let’s address Zeke’s staw man head on: Hama…hmm. Does the US give money to Syria? No. Did the US authorize Hafez Al-Assad to bomb Hama? No. Did the US rush new weapons to Syria after he attacked Hama. No. Did the US Congress unanimously support Syria’s murder of Hama’s residents? No. Did the US provide diplomatic cover for Assad after he bombed Hama. No. So your comparison is ridiculous.
    And by the way, don’t you know why Assad killed the people in Hama? Allegedly because they were Islamic Fundamentalists who threatened his regime. Seems like old Hafez and Israel have something in common after all, exept that Syria didn’t have American diplomatic protection. Checkmate.

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  57. formerDoDlogmgr says:

    Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz and his advisers have been stunned by the failure of Israel’s air war against Hizbullah, which has shrugged massive air bombings on its headquarters in Beirut to maintain the rocket war against the Jewish state.
    “Air power is not the answer here,” a senior officer said. ‘You have to go from one Hizbullah [weapons] bunker to another. Some of these bunkers are seven meters deep and can’t be destroyed by aircraft, even if you could find them…”
    Posted by susan at July 22, 2006 07:11 PM
    —————————
    There’s never been a war won from the air alone.
    I suppose it takes some people longer to learn that lesson than others. Like the US, Israel thought they could run a “antiseptic” air war and suffer no casualties themselves, which evidently
    is their true primary concern. Now they a choice
    to commit ground troops with the attendant inevitable loss of IDF soldiers or pull back and look “weak”. Israel knows it can’t wipe out Hezbollah. Their smartest course of action would be to ask the US to “insist” on a ceasefire and negotiated settlement right now. That would save Israeli face and lives in both Israel and Lebanon.

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  58. zeke says:

    Just curious; what are you spewing, Pissed Off American?

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  59. Pissed Off American says:

    Interesting. Nobody wants to talk about Hama. hmmm… I guess it doesn’t support your argument of a sympathetic Hizbollah/Syria.
    Posted by zeke
    Talk about it??? When you drool some shit about them being “our leaders”??? Why the hell would anyone want to engage anyone spewing that kind of horseshit?

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  60. Pissed Off American says:

    Hmmm, while we are on the subject of “kidnapping”, has anyone been following the story about the Ohio college professor? I guess the Israel’s have learned lesson’s from the White House, eh??? The worst part is, even if these pricks in Washington WERE protesting this guy’s detainment, it would only be seen as hypocricy, because we too think we can hold people without charges or accountability.
    Israel Mum on Jailed Ohio College Professor
    From the Associated Press
    July 21, 2006
    WASHINGTON — An Ohio college professor has been in an Israeli jail since being arrested on unspecified charges July 8, his family said Thursday.
    Israeli officials confirmed that Ghazi Falah, 53, an Arab Israeli associate professor at the University of Akron’s geography and planning department, had been detained but declined to give specifics of his case.
    Shahar Shelef, the Israeli consul in Philadelphia, said an Israeli judge’s gag order prohibited him from commenting on Falah’s arrest. Israeli law allows such orders in cases that affect national security, Shelef said, and people detained for this reason can be denied access to a lawyer for as long as 21 days.
    Falah’s wife, Jamila, said in Wadsworth, Ohio, that her husband was arrested after taking photographs on a tourist beach near Nahariya and was taken to a jail in Haifa. She said he was given a hearing before a magistrate Sunday, but his attorney, Hussein Abu Hussein, was not allowed to enter the courtroom, to speak with Falah or to learn the charges against him.
    continues at….
    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-prof21jul21,1,416521.story?coll=la-news-a_section

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  61. zeke says:

    Interesting. Nobody wants to talk about Hama. hmmm… I guess it doesn’t support your argument of a sympathetic Hizbollah/Syria.

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  62. susan says:

    Air strikes against Iran will fail too.
    Israel’s military stunned by the failure of its air war
    SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
    Friday, July 21, 2006
    TEL AVIV — Israel’s new chief of staff, an air force general, believed that most of Israel’s future operations would be conducted from the air.
    Military leaders were convinced that with superior communications and air power they did not even need new U.S. “bunker buster” munitions to root out terror leaders in underground hideaways.
    Today, this vision of air power as a panacea has been shattered.
    Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz and his advisers have been stunned by the failure of Israel’s air war against Hizbullah, which has shrugged massive air bombings on its headquarters in Beirut to maintain the rocket war against the Jewish state.
    “Air power is not the answer here,” a senior officer said. ‘You have to go from one Hizbullah [weapons] bunker to another. Some of these bunkers are seven meters deep and can’t be destroyed by aircraft, even if you could find them…” http://tinyurl.com/hgbsd

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  63. Matthew says:

    Try this worldview. In response to the kidnapping of Palestinian legislators, Russia accelerated the sale of bunker busting bombs to Palestinians and began a campaign of dismantling Israel’s infrastructure. Any guess what people like Zeke would be calling that action? My sense is “terrorism” would be popping up every other word.

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  64. Pissed Off American says:

    Chuckling here. Steve’s post was picked up by that censored cesspool, “The Huffington Post”.
    Heres me favorite comment that I saw over there….
    “After six years of this incompetent, lying, divisive and extemist group of thugs, and you find the exploitation of Middle East conflict being used to continue the division of Americans “hard to imagine?” Did you just wake up from a prolonged coma?”

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  65. Pissed Off American says:

    Why does diagreeing with the conventional wisdom on this blog brand someone a troll?
    Posted by zeke
    Going against the “conventional wisdom” DOESN’T make you a troll. However, saying shit like “and all of YOUR murderous leaders” or “Just keep telling yourself that you’re not bigoted Jew haters” does. You have brought absolutely NOTHING to the table, except the same old tired shit. Zip. Nada. Same old crap, new screen name.

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  66. zeke says:

    this is just for starters, from the same maniac who still has a proxy army in lebanon which Israel is attempting to eliminate:
    On February 22 [1982], the Syrian government broadcast a telegram of support addressed to President Assad from the Hama branch of the Baath Party. The message referred to Muslim Brotherhood fighters killing Baath Party officials and leaving their mutilated bodies in the streets. It added that security forces had taken fierce reprisals against the Brotherhood, “which stopped them breathing forever.”
    For the next several weeks, there was a settling of accounts between the Assad regime and Syria’s fourth-largest city; many more people perished as a result. Most of the casualties apparently were registered during this phase. Syrian army engineers set about systematically dynamiting any buildings which remained standing in “Brotherhood” neighborhoods, with whoever was inside. Ancient Hama, the marketplace, craft quarters, and mosques, which provided the social fabric for the Muslim Brotherhood to flourish, were totally obliterated…
    Just to make sure those people who lived in the Muslim Brotherhood districts would be dispersed and forced to find new housing and new jobs at the mercy of the government, Rifaat [Assad’s younger brother] brought in bulldozers and crushed all those buildings and neighborhoods which had been shelled beyond repair. Then he brought in steamrollers to flatten the rubble like parking lots.
    reliable estimates place the death toll at upwards of 20,000

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  67. zeke says:

    “Here is the lesson I think every Arab–and every Arab American–should take from last 10 days: America doesn’t think you’re worth a bucket of spit. Accept that fact.”
    And do you think Arab “leaders” value their people more than a “bucket of spit?”
    quite a bit less, i’d say.
    Do I need to list the attrocities that Arabs have perpetrated against themselves?

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  68. anon says:

    Words of wisdom ( I mean Likud propaganda ) from ‘Zeke the Zionist’

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  69. Zeke says:

    never forget what israel has done…
    AND never forget what Hamas, Hizbollah, Al Quaeda, and all of YOUR murderous leaders have done as well.

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  70. zeke says:

    I agree with “Juan Kos.”
    Why does diagreeing with the conventional wisdom on this blog brand someone a troll?

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  71. Matthew says:

    Isn’t the rape of Lebanon proof positive that Tony Blair’s strategy of ameliorating American policy a total failure? Clinton spoke in England about 4 years ago about how lucky” the world was to have Tony Blair available to advise Bush. Ok. So where is the Tony Blair who gave the beautiful speech soon after 9/11? Who is going to speak for Lebanon? All the media outlets interview the Arab American “Uncle Toms” who talk about Israel’s needs and not a single outraged Lebanese American is on TV. And you know they are out there. Instead we get to see the heartwarming story of how our citizens were “evacuated”–as if they were fleeing a tropical storm instead of American-made ordinance. Notice Bushie didn’t demand a ceasefire even long enough to get our citizens out. Here is the lesson I think every Arab–and every Arab American–should take from last 10 days: America doesn’t think you’re worth a bucket of spit. Accept that fact. And then organize, damn it. Get angry and stay angry. Never forget what Israel has done. Never forget what American politicians said about it. And come this November, vote!

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  72. A.Citizen says:

    The lunatics have brought in the children to pimp for them.
    We have now started on the ‘Children’s Crusade’, a total disaster from 1212 ad, only differnce is this repulsive child will not be going to the Middle-East where he could get his putz blown off.
    Nope.
    He’ll be hangin’ in D.C. doin’ shooters ‘n coke with some cute Jewish hoochies.

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  73. derrick says:

    Not one US citizen’s fingernail to save a million Israeli lives.

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  74. Carroll says:

    By all means, reappoint Bolton dear congress so we can spread democracy. I can’t even keep up with how many enemies the US goverment has created now, they are multiplying like rabbits with every innocent death we cause. Add my name to the list. The only war America needs or should be fighting is right here at home, right now.
    BWTTFGASO
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/world/middleeast/22tyre.html?ex=1311220800&en=7fc0335786b0f4d4&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
    “If you speak the truth here you are called a traitor,” Mr. Abdullah said. “But we all know that this is a war between Iran and America. I am paying part of the price for it.” Then he suddenly grew pensive as he stood at the edge of the trench.
    “That’s my daughter, No. 9,” he said, pointing at a coffin coming out of the truck as. “It’s a nice number, don’t you think? And No. 7, it’s a nice number, too. It’s my wife. And there’s No. 10. I hope they will be lucky.”

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  75. Easy E says:

    HISTORY LESSON:
    See key U.N. Resolutions
    http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html
    Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.
    General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948
    “Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.”
    Israel’s occupation of Palestine is Illegal.
    Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967
    Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and “the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”
    Israel’s settlements in Palestine are Illegal.
    Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979
    “Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East.”
    Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination.
    General Assembly Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974
    Affirms “the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine…to self-determination without external interference” and “to national independence and sovereignty.”
    Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State
    Security Council Resolution 1397, March 12, 2002
    Affirms “a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders.”
    Also see:
    UN General Assembly Resolution 181 – the 1947 Partition plan of Palestine and the creation of Israel.
    International Humanitarian Law: the Geneva Conventions – 150 years of international designated protection of civilians during wartime and Israel’s explicit violations.
    History of the Palestinian Problem – from the Division for Palestinian Rights, United Nations
    UN Resolutions on Israel, 1955-1992
    Resolution 106: condemns Israel for Gaza raid.
    Resolution 111: condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people.
    Resolution 127: recommends Israel suspend its no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem.
    Resolution 162: urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.
    Resolution 171: determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria.
    Resolution 228: censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control.
    Resolution 237: urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.
    Resolution 248: condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.
    Resolution 250: calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.
    Resolution 251: deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250.
    Resolution 252: declares invalid Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital.
    Resolution 256: condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation.
    Resolution 259: deplores Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.
    Resolution 262: condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport.
    Resolution 265: condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan.
    Resolution 267: censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem.
    Resolution 270: condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon.
    Resolution 271: condemns Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem.
    Resolution 279: demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.
    Resolution 280: condemns Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon.
    Resolution 285: demands immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
    Resolution 298: deplores Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem.
    Resolution 313: demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.
    Resolution 316: condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.
    Resolution 317: deplores Israel’s refusal to release.
    Resolution 332: condemns Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon.
    Resolution 337: condemns Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty.
    Resolution 347: condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon.
    Resolution 425: calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
    Resolution 427: calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
    Resolution 444: deplores Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces.
    Resolution 446: determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
    Resolution 450: calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.
    Resolution 452: calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.
    Resolution 465: deplores Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist its settlements program.
    Resolution 467: strongly deplores Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon.
    Resolution 468: calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return.
    Resolution 469: strongly deplores Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians.
    Resolution 471: expresses deep concern at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
    Resolution 476: reiterates that Israel’s claim to Jerusalem are null and void.
    Resolution 478: censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its Basic Law.
    Resolution 484: declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors.
    Resolution 487: strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility.
    Resolution 497: decides that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights
    is null and void and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.
    Resolution 498: calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.
    Resolution 501: calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.
    Resolution 509: demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon.
    Resolution 515: demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in.
    Resolution 517: censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
    Resolution 518: demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.
    Resolution 520: condemns Israel’s attack into West Beirut.
    Resolution 573: condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
    Resolution 587: takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw.
    Resolution 592: strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.
    Resolution 605: strongly deplores Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.
    Resolution 607: calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
    Resolution 608: deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians.
    Resolution 636: deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
    Resolution 641: deplores Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians.
    Resolution 672: condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram Al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
    Resolution 673: deplores Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
    Resolution 681: deplores Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
    Resolution 694: deplores Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
    Resolution 726: strongly condemns Israel’s deportation of Palestinians.
    Resolution 799: strongly condemns Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

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  76. susan says:

    From tomorrow’s New York Times
    Bolton’s Ways Foil Goals, U.N. Envoys Say
    By WARREN HOGE
    UNITED NATIONS, July 22 — In recent months, as one international crisis followed another, John R. Bolton has fulfilled the role of the United Nations’ most influential ambassador at full strength, firmly articulating the position of the United States government regarding Iran, North Korea and the Middle East.
    His performance won over at least one crucial critic, Senator George V. Voinovich, Republican of Ohio. Mr. Voinovich’s opposition a year ago forced Mr. Bolton to take the job as a presidential recess appointment, an arrangement that expires at the end of this Congress in January.
    The Senate Foreign Relations Committee has scheduled a hearing this Thursday on Mr. Bolton’s renomination, and a floor vote could come in September. Mr. Voinovich said he would vote for Mr. Bolton this time.
    The Bush administration is not popular at the United Nations, where it is often perceived as disdainful of diplomacy, and its policies as heedless of the effects on others and single-minded in the willful assertion of American interests. By extension, then, many diplomats say they see Mr. Bolton as a stand-in for the arrogance of the administration itself.
    But diplomats focus particularly on an area with less evidence of instructions from Washington and more of Mr. Bolton’s personal touch, the mission that he has described as his priority: overhauling the institution’s discredited management. Envoys say he has in fact endangered that effort by alienating traditional allies. They say he combatively asserts American leadership, contests procedures at the mannerly, rules-bound United Nations and then shrugs off the organization when it does not follow his lead.
    Six ambassadors separately offered similar accounts of an incident in June that they said captured the situation. All were from nations in Europe, the Pacific and Latin America that consider themselves close allies of the United States, and they asked to speak anonymously in commenting on a fellow envoy.
    Mr. Bolton that day burst into a packed committee hall, produced a cordless microphone and began to lecture envoys from developing nations about their weakening of a proposal to tighten management of the United Nations, his chief goal.
    Gaveled to silence, he threw up his hands and said, “Well, so much for trying something different.”
    It was not merely rude, the ambassadors said. One recalled that moments later, his BlackBerry flashed a message from another envoy working on management change. “He just busted us apart,” it read.
    Three weeks later, on June 30, the 191-member General Assembly upended Mr. Bolton’s strategy to force change, lifting a six-month budget cap that he engineered without agreeing to significant management improvements. Dumisani Kumalo, South African ambassador and the leader of the Group of 77, which represents 132 developing nations, said Mr. Bolton’s “putting on budget caps and being very contentious” had increased his group’s resistance.
    The envoys will not, of course, have any say about whether Mr. Bolton receives the full appointment to the United Nations. But their concerns over his methods extend to issues that the senators will undoubtedly have to weigh: his ability to build coalitions and reach consensus.
    Mr. Bolton, whose knowledge of the United Nations is deep from his past service as assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs, said he did not believe his manner was confrontational. “It’s not a question of personal style so much as it is a way of articulating a position that puts American interests in the best light,” he said. “And I think in some cases people are unfamiliar with that, but I don’t think that’s confrontational. I think that’s a matter of clarity.”
    In particular, he said, in the June episode, he had been simply trying to provoke honest debate.
    “I said to myself, maybe there’s a way to do something a little unusual here,” he said. “I know it didn’t work, but I think that’s part of what we have to do to shake things up here, to try to do something a little different, a little creative, to try to talk back and forth and engage in a colloquy as if we were on the floor of a parliament.”
    He has plenty of backers who remain convinced that only that kind of tough presence can alter the institution. Perhaps his strongest and longest standing supporter is Senator Norm Coleman, the Minnesota Republican who is a leading critic of the way the United Nations functions.
    “What John offers is what the U.S. needs at the U.N. today,” he said in an interview. “John is the right kind of change agent in a universe that is resistant to change. In order to get reform done, you’re going to have to push, you have to be assertive.”
    Sean McCormack, the State Department spokesman, said, “He has done an extraordinary job representing the U.S. during what has turned out to be an extraordinary time at the U.N., and Secretary Rice thinks he’s doing a terrific job.”
    But over the past month, more than 30 ambassadors consulted in the preparation of this article who share the United States’ goal of changing United Nations management practices expressed misgivings over Mr. Bolton’s leadership.
    Representative Bill Delahunt of Massachusetts, the top Democrat on an international relations subcommittee that focuses on the United Nations, said that in a visit here last month he had encountered “frustration and resentment over the U.S. performance at the U.N.”
    And outside experts also expressed concerns.
    “I actually agree with Bolton on what has to be done at the U.N., but his confrontational tactics have been very dysfunctional for the U.S. purpose,” said Edward C. Luck, a professor of international affairs at Columbia who has followed the United Nations for three decades. “To be successful at the U.N., you have to build coalitions, and if you take unilateral action the way Bolton has, you’re isolated, and if you’re isolated, you can’t achieve much.”
    William H. Luers, president of the United Nations Association of the United States, an independent support group, said, “There clearly are occasions when you have to put your foot down, but if you put your foot down every day, it unravels any diplomatic assets you have.”
    Asked about the allied ambassadors’ broad criticisms, Mr. Bolton said, “What I object to as a matter of tactics is compromising with ourselves before we compromise with our opponents, and by compromising with ourselves, I mean compromising with our friends, too.”
    Mr. Bolton came to the United Nations on Aug. 2 last year after a bruising battle in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Democrats on the committee cited accusations that he bullied subordinates, shaped intelligence reports to reflect his policy views and tried to engineer the removal of a C.I.A. official who disagreed with him. They also noted scornful references he had made about the United Nations like his comment that 10 floors of the Secretariat building could be lopped off without being missed.
    He immediately stood out from the silken diplomatic crowd with a white shaving-brush mustache, the bouncy walk of a fighter entering the ring and a blunt sense of humor that can veer abruptly from lighthearted to cutting.
    In the months after his arrival, ambassadors said that despite his history of putdowns of the United Nations, they were impressed by his work ethic and knowledge of his brief and thought they could collaborate with him.
    Now the reaction is different. “My initial feeling was, let’s see if we can work with him, and I have done some things to push for consensus on issues that were not easy for my country,” said an ambassador with close ties to the Bush administration.
    “But all he gives us in return is, ‘It doesn’t matter, whatever you do is insufficient,’ ” he said. “He’s lost me as an ally now, and that’s what many other ambassadors who consider themselves friends of the U.S. are saying.”
    A European envoy said that Mr. Bolton was a difficult ally for his traditionally pro-American group because he often staked out unilateral hard-line positions in the media or Congress and then proved unwilling to compromise in the give and take of negotiations.
    In the aftermath of a 170-to-4 vote last spring on creating a Human Rights Council, which the United States opposed, Peter Maurer, the ambassador of Switzerland, characterized the American approach as “intransigent and maximalist.”
    “All too often,” he said, “high ambitions are cover-ups for less noble aims, and oriented not at improving the United Nations, but at belittling and weakening it.”
    Mr. Bolton’s habit of avoiding any favorable mention of the United Nations while seizing many opportunities to disparage it is so well established that Senator Paul S. Sarbanes, a Maryland Democrat, observed to him in a May hearing of the Foreign Relations Committee, “The role of constant scold I’m not sure is the best way to induce change.”
    An envoy of a country close to the United States complained that Mr. Bolton often stayed away from meetings, leaving ambassadors in the dark about American positions, then produced 11th-hour amendments and demands for reopening points that had been painfully muscled into consensus.
    “We are all like cooks, and the U.S. is sitting on the sidewalk and when we have this platter cooked, the U.S. comes in and says it was the wrong dish, you were cooking chicken and we wanted meat,” said an envoy from a country close to the United States.
    On June 30, Mr. Bolton stunned a group of allied ambassadors. As they waited in the office of Jan Eliasson, the president of the General Assembly, to approve a plan to review thousands of outdated and redundant directives, word arrived that Mr. Bolton had cut a side deal to postpone the effort. And he had done so with the three countries viewed as the proposal’s most vocal opponents, Egypt, India and South Africa.
    Mr. Bolton explained the incident by saying, “What I was trying to do was sit down with people whose positions diverge the most with the United States and, rather than work through indirection, negotiate directly.”
    But an envoy from a country that always votes with the United States said: “That came as very shocking and disappointing to us. We usually work very closely with him, but sometimes, I guess, you get surprised.”

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  77. susan says:

    “The irony in all this is that Israel has an interest in a multicultural Lebanon and not an Islamist Lebanon, and the high hopes for the former are being dashed.”
    –Chuck Cogan
    Former Chief of CIA’s Near East Division
    Speaking from Harvard
    “For decades now Israel has established buffer zones, occupation zones, red lines, blue lines, green lines, interdiction zones, killing fields, surrogate army zones, scorched earth, and every other conceivable kind of zone between it and Arabs who fight its occupation and colonial policies — all without success. Here is why: Protecting Israelis while leaving Arabs to a fate of humiliation, occupation, degradation and subservient acquiescence to Israeli-American dictates only guarantees that those Arabs will regroup, plan a resistance strategy, and come back one day to fight for their land, their humanity, their dignity and the prospect that their children can have a normal life one day.”
    –Rami G. Khouri
    Editor-at-large of the Beirut-based Daily Star
    July 20, 2006
    Via http://badattitudes.com/MT/

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  78. Pissed Off American says:

    BTW, a message to Rice……
    Tell the monkey boy to chew with his mouth closed.

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  79. Pissed Off American says:

    I see our local troll has once again crawled out of the slime to throw the “anti-semite” mantra at us. Gads, from a teepee to a turban, but always, an ass.
    “Friendly fire”, give it up, you will recieve no answers to logical or moral questioning of these people, they just ignore your queries and post the kind of empty bullshit you see from them above. I have repeatedly asked pertinent questions of them, loudly and clearly, and in return the most I have gotten is irrelevant travelogues and offers to kick my ass because they find “internet tough guys” tiresome.
    Whats up with THAT??? They can’t see the irony and hypocricy THERE??? Its not me threatening people physically on this blog, or lobbing death and mayhem into the living rooms of our neighbors.
    Oh well. My mind keeps going back to the photograph of that sweet little Israeli child, Magic Marker in hand, writing messages on artillery shells about to be lobbed into Lebanon or Palestine. Another victim of the hatred we see above,from those drooling the kind of excrement that causes people to teach their children to worship killing.
    “Anti-semite” is the current call of the depraved, those who have allotted various degrees of value on human life, those that determine the depth of human tragedy by genetic predisposition. When faced with such abominational character and morality, logic does not equate.

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  80. Pissed Off American says:

    “Why would Israelis here or abroad want someone whose best skill seems to be antagonism and fiery, flamboyant stridency that rarely achieves a positive outcome.”
    You still don’t get it, do you Steve? This is all ABOUT dead muslims. Thats the whole idea. This has only just began.
    You have to define “positive outcome” from their perspective. By “their” I mean the neo-con opportunists and the zionist fanatics, who share in the “benefits” of a “final solution” to the “Muslim problem”.
    The final irony will be if these crazy bastards manage to irradiate the very land and oil they seek to steal. These are some crazy people, and they are battin’ heads with crazy people. Thats an “anything can happen” situation. Hitler, thank God, had very few world leaders that rose up to his level of insanity, whether in opposition, or in support of him. But today we have a whole kettle full of wack jobs, and all of them have their fingers on some damned scary triggers.
    God, did you see the film of this buffoon Bush chewing his food like a kindergartner munching on Oreos??? Or his intrusion on the German gal’s personal space? This fucker is completely out of touch. Gone. Wacko. Bonks. Factor in that fanatic in Iran, Ohlmert, Bolton, Rove, that clown in N.Korea, Hamas, the Mossad, Hizbillah, oh man…we are in deep shit. Then, throw the figurative satan in the mix, Cheney, and hang onto your ass, because ANYTHING can happen.

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  81. Kathleen says:

    I know many Holocaust suvivors who were more confident in the Clinton/Gore approach to the Middle East crisis than they are in Bush/Cheney because they were much closer to peace and safety when the US was making a concerted effort to get Israel and Palestine together in an agreement.
    Supplying Israel with weapons to provoke a war is not exactly being Pro Israel, so much as it is pro military industrial complex. The NeoCon approach does help NeoCons in Israel stay in power, same as the fear factor keeps NeoCons in power here.
    I’m not one bit surprised that Bolton’s reconfirmation is up now. They have no shame.
    Did the NSA ever submnit the dox that the SFRC requested from them re: Bolton? If not, Dems should refuse to particpate in any hearings, unless and until they get the dox they need to make an informned decision.

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  82. btree says:

    I suppose this is what she’s talking about.
    http://tinyurl.com/kutt9

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  83. btree says:

    Not to be outdone, Rice now has this to offer:
    “What we’re seeing here … are the birth pangs of a new Middle East and whatever we do, we have to be certain that we are pushing forward to the new Middle East, not going back to the old one,” Rice said.
    http://tinyurl.com/pt3ws

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  84. Matthew says:

    I really enjoy Yvette’s counter-history. Whatever Isreal is doing, well, you know, 50 years ago, the “Arabs” did it first. The next thing you know we’ll be hearing that in 1948 hundreds of Jewish villages were leveled by the “Arabs.” I know that’s true because hundreds of Palestinian villages were leveled by the Irgun/IDF. Maybe the Arabs also held a conference in the 1880s in Switzerland and planned a 100-year war against the native inhabitants of Palestine? Using Yvette’s logic, you know they did.

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  85. Friendly Fire says:

    Vynette, why blow the shit out of Lebanon?

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  86. Vynette says:

    The current Middle East crisis once more throws into sharp relief collective humanity’s failure to take responsibility for our actions over nearly two millenia.
    I am old enough to remember a time when the fledgling State of Israel just endured the ceaseless pounding of her settlements by enemy rockets and mortars. Her enemies held all the high points, the vantage points from which to attack the citizens of Israel with impunity. She endured without retaliation until the time came when she could endure no more.
    As soon as she did retaliate, however, the world’s mass media was in the forefront of attacking Israel for ‘disproportionate responses’ and etcera, sickenenly and hypocritically ad infinitum.
    The single reason for the existence of ‘occupied’ territories is that Israel’ enemies kept attacking and kept losing. Israel was forced to ‘occupy’ these territories to provide her with a buffer zone. That she was correct in this action is now proved by her withdrawal from Gaza and the resulting resumption of rocket attacks by Palestinians.
    Enough is enough! Collective humanity owes these people BIG TIME! The catalogue of crimes against the Jewish people, much of it committed in the name of so-called ‘Christianity’, is the most shameful, the most truly wicked expression of man’s inhumanity to man that is possible to conceive. If there is a devil, a satan, then this monstrous exhibition must surely be its crowning achievement against the people who provided us with the likes of Moses and Jesus.
    And yet much of the world sits back in their armchairs and passes judgement on the Jews!
    Surely, collective humanity must do something for the Palestinian dispossessed, displaced and disavantaged. And I don’t mean throwing billions of dollars at corrupt Yasser Arafat-type regimes. We must fill the breach because their own Arab and Muslim neighbours, with their petro-trillions, have certainly done nothing. And why have they done nothing in sixty years? Because they have deliberately employed a policy of keeping the Palestinian ‘refugees’ firmly in place to use as a constantly available club to wield against the State of Israel.
    I repeat, collective humanity owes the Jewish people this miserable scrap of dirt. We owe these people freedom to finally live in peace.
    Frankly, I don’t care what labels people choose to stick on me. Frankly, I just don’t give a damn. But, frankly, I will continue to support Israel’s right to exist until the crack of doom, or longer…
    As an Australian, I’m mindful of the fact that one of our greatest Australians, Doctor Herbert Vere Evatt, was once a President of the United Nations. Yes…how many people actually know this? It’s an indictment on my own country that very few Australians do.
    But that disgraceful fact can be sheeted home to the Australian media who began a concerted ‘whispering campaign’ against him because he had committed the cardinal , or perhaps ‘mortal’ sin of supporting Israel.
    Doctor Herbert Vere Evatt was once described by an Israeli Foreign Minister, Abba Eban, as the ‘midwife who gave birth to the State of Israel’. Surely, the kiss of death, as his reputation was later shredded and sullied to such an extent that he is largely forgotten in his own country. When he is (rarely) referred to in the media, it is usually along the lines of ‘the Doc went off his head you know…”
    Such is the fate of all who stand up for Israel, or even for just common decency.
    By the way, at the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD, the Jews were declared as perfidious Christ-killers, people to be avoided, converted, or persecuted. They were only absolved of the ‘murder of Jesus’ by Pope John XX111 in 1965. Let’s see now…that’s…1640 years…

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  87. Friendly Fire says:

    Juan Kos
    I’d be interested to know you views on why Israel is targeting non-hezbollah targets in Lebanon?

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  88. juan kos says:

    Yes, “shame on the White House” for supporting the Joooos.
    Good thing the commenters on this site would rather echo Pat Buchanan and Al Jazeera. Wouldn’t want to let Bushco get away with its Jew support, now would you?
    Yes, I know. Nobody here’s an anti-semite.
    “But, but, we’re liberals! We can’t be anti-semites.”
    Of course not. Just keep telling yourself that you’re not bigoted Jew haters, you’re all just caught up in playing the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” crap to its extreme end.
    Good luck with that.

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  89. Drew says:

    It’s well known that U.S. neoconservatives, including John Bolton, are tightly aligned with the Israelis and the intensely focused Israeli lobby in the U.S. Their goals and objectives for the Middle East are one and the same.
    So, the White House’s calling on U.S. Jews to support Bolton, by extension the neocons, by extension the Israelis, is to be expected. Especially at a time when neocons and the Israelis may be losing steam in their efforts to win the hearts and minds of many Americans, they need to rally as many to their cause as they can. I’m hopeful that many U.S. Jews will see through the facade of B.S. that the neocons and the Israelis are presenting to them. They need to realize that their religious affiliation does not need to beholden them to Israel and its ruthless, destructive policies.

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  90. Dan Kervick says:

    I think we can expect a similar move in Connecticut in the week before its primary.

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  91. DrAliciaHill says:

    Those interested may sign an online international petition to end the barbarity:
    http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/

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  92. zeke says:

    Oh, the innefectual anger of the radical left. You guys remind me of an audience at a David Copperfield show.
    It’s a Jewish conspiracy. John Bolton is the problem. 9-11 was a hoax. the Rapture is coming. The sky is falling. Poor Hizbollah and Hamas.
    Hopefully the Democratic party will consign this bunch to pasture, or else it’s political oblivion forever.
    remember the “third way?”

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  93. Den Valdron says:

    So … Its going to be anti-semitic to oppose Bolton? Great.

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  94. anon says:

    Posted On Gush Shalom A Cease Fire – Now!
    Tomorrow, Saturday, at 6.30 pm, we shall take part in a protest march against the war, starting from Rabin Square, Tel-Aviv.
    The number of protesters grown from demonstration to demonstration.
    http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/7/21/191150/179/4#c4

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  95. Carroll says:

    Calling all “Jewish” people in America to rally for Bolton so we can attack Iran for Israel?…
    I am begining to wonder if Bush doesn’t secretly hate the Jews and or Israel and is trying to start a holocaust and get Israel wiped out at the same time…thereby solving a lot of US Arab-oil entanglement problems.
    It’s not as if there isn’t already a lot of fiery discussion about the Jewish lobby and the jewish community being willing to use the US for their true homeland…and of course the Bolton-Iran-Jewish link will be right there in the event we spend more US blood and treasure in the ME.
    This adm has certainly given Isr enough matches and rope to start a fire and hang themselves.
    There is something either really stupid about the WH letting out “publically” that the “Jewish community” wants Bolton..or something very “Rovian.”

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  96. km4 says:

    Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.
    In our time political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.
    All the war propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.
    Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
    War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit.
    Nationalism is power tempered by self-deception. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength (On the manipulation of language for political ends).
    We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
    – George Orwell

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  97. Aunt Deb says:

    From today’s Washington Post:
    Fred S. Zeidman, a Texas venture capitalist who is active in Jewish affairs and has been close to the president for years, said the current crisis shows the depth of the president’s support for Israel. “He will not bow to international pressure to pressure Israel,” Zeidman said. “I have never seen a man more committed to Israel.”
    The Post article makes no mention of Mr. Zeidman’s son.

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  98. sandstone says:

    friendly fire- regarding the congress vote, ron paul had a few things to say about resolution 931 he is like a voice in the wilderness!
    http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=9373

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  99. kolberg says:

    We’re All Israelis Now !!! Bwahahaha!

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  100. Seth Davis says:

    Not entirely surprising. My parents — who are as stridently anti-Bush as they come — were begging me to back up the TiVo so they could hear Bolton’s speech yesterday. Right now, as in all crises, they’re looking for overt and unqualified support for Israel from wherever it may come. Frankly, I was wondering what took the White House so long…
    PS – Personally, I think Bolton’s insane and has had a truly detrimental effect on the the country’s ability to use IO’s like the UN to our benefit. But right now that’s not what most people want to hear…

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  101. julius says:

    Now, I’m Mad! Really Mad as Hell! You say “Jewish groups!”
    Bolton must be defeated !! Disregard all the naysaying of the last thread’s comments!

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  102. DonS says:

    Mr. Jay Zeidman can stick it up his sick puppy ass. Who the heck does this wet-behind-the-ears kid think he is?
    — a pissed off American of Jewish heritage.

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  103. zeke says:

    I don’t see the connection here. Jay zeidman – who i CAN’T believe was given the job at 24 – is a white house staffer. clinton had a “jewish liaison” as well, and bush sr., reagan and even carter may have as well.
    isn’t this just a case of the white house marshalling its entire operation to push through a very controversial nominee?
    i think its misleading to focus on the fact that zeidman is the “jewish” liasion. just adds more fuel to the fire. he’s a staffer, hauling his dirty water just like everyone else in the west wing.
    wanting bolton in the position has MUCH more to do with bush’s inept political acumen and the same backward policies he’s advanced for 6 years. i don’t think it’s connected to this latest arab/israeli crisis, although i’m sure the “israelis are the devil” crowd around here will hoot and holler about steve’s latest post.

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  104. Matthew says:

    Steve: It’s about de-funding the Democratic Party. The three biggest contributors to Democrats are unions, trial lawyers, and Jewish Americans. Republicans advocate “union democracy,” savage trial lawyers constantly, and are now backing Israel unconditionally. The attacks against unions and trial lawyers have been very successful. If the Roveans can move enough Jewish Americans into the Republican camp, Democrats cannot be financially competitive. Fear of result may explain why Democrats are tripping over themselves to join the “Israel is always right” bandwagon. A national disgrace? Certainly. Politically necessary? Maybe?
    P.S. Are you still impressed with Amir Peretz?

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  105. Friendly Fire says:

    Steve I may be wrong here, but didn’t US congress vote, yesterday, 400 to nil, to still blow the shit out of Lebanon?

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  106. Rob says:

    I am so fed up with our nation’s Middle East policies being ordered from Tel-Aviv! The very fact that one can not even hint at some seperation between us and Israel on any issue without being branded an anti-semite is proof of this fact. It has become the new political correctness.
    Well, if that’s the case then so be it. I know in my heart what I am. I bear no ill will toward Israel or the Jewish people in general. God knows they’ve suffered enough throughout history. But we can not afford to be their proxy gorilla any longer. I greatly resent little twerps like Jay Zeidman getting America to, again and again, fight Isral’s battles for them. If he is so concerned about the Jewish homeland, he is young enough to go to Isral and don that nation’s military uniform.
    This is no anti-Semitism. It is a simple truth we have to confront: Are we Americans or are we Israelis? We can continue to be their friends and allies without being their unthinking, unquestioning vassals.

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  107. km4 says:

    The arrogance, hubris, and hypocrisy of Bush administration is stunning. They are not only inept, but criminally and pathologically immoral and unprincipled. The fact that they’ve been allowed to get away with this most despicable evil is beyond belief.
    I sincerely hope there still are a few sane Republicans who will do some deep introspection to find their moral compass that says enough is enough for the sake of American democracy rather than Neocon American imperialism.

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  108. MP says:

    “It is outrageous that the White House would yet again exploit RELIGIOUS IDENTITY and the worsening Middle East crisis just before Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has gone to the Middle East to hopefully broker a diplomatic effort.
    Shame on the White House — again.”
    You bet, Steve. It’s unbelievable…except that it’s all too believable from this administration. It is hard to believe that we will have to endure two more years of this and everything else this administration has done to completely F-up this country and the world. There is something wrong when “offenses” like this, and so much else, aren’t considered grounds for impeachment while lying about a BJ is.

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