Watching the Debate?

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I am. Click here to get to MSNBC’s site on the set-up and a live stream feed.
So far, everyone looks a little stiff. No zingers yet. I do like that all the candidates are giving short responses to questions — even Joe Biden.
John Edwards thinks Americans want a “decent” and “honest” person as President. Sounded sweet. He is a good guy — but gosh, I wish I could see a bit more of his rough edges.
Hillary Clinton is taking responsibility for her vote supporting the Iraq War — but says she would not have voted for the resolution if she knew what she knows today. She then said that what matters is what we do now and blasted President Bush for his stubborn commitment to “not” ending the Iraq War.
Bill Richardson: “This war is a disaster.” I happened to see Bill Richardson last night and briefly met him — though I muffled my name a bit for reasons that don’t need to be resurrected here. He is absolutely right to emphasize the need to link discussion of withdrawing from Iraq to a large international stakeholder conference on Iraq — as well as a “Donor’s Conference.” Richardson is saying this over and over again — and I applaud him.
Kucinich is smart and ethical. He does not believe in war. He is a pacifist — and he won’t vote for any bill that funds a war. It’s laudable — but it’s not going to get traction with many across America’s political spectrum.
Obama just blew an answer in my view. He said that the military is nearly broken, stretched to unacceptable limits. He said that to fix this, we need to increase the size of the army. Bad call. What we need to fix is the management that took a huge military — and took the largest military budget in world history, larger than all other nations combined — and still ruined the military. Making the military bigger is a vapid and shallow response that doesn’t address the fundamental problem of what undermined the military to begin with. I will ease up on him when he begins to get this point right.
Why did Edwards pay for his campaign haircut out of campaign coffers? Wow. Good question. Edwards said it was a mistake — didn’t shirk it. But while admitting he is a privleged elite, like many — so too were the Roosevelts, the Kennedys, and others who have been privileged but still helped those with fewer resources and chances in life. But not a bad answer overall.
Chris Dodd: “I’m a pro-growth Democrat.” Need to figure out more what that means. He also needs more stories about real people to tell about his important work. It’s a little too much “I, I, I.”
Dennis Kucinich gets too honest again: “This presidential race is not American Idol.” If only it were true.
Biden is asked about whether he could reverse being an uncontrollable “gaffe machine” and “uncontrollably verbose.” He answered with one word, “Yes.” Got the biggest laugh of the night so far. He did well on that.
Gravel says no first use of nukes ever — and says that the “top tier” candidates on the stage disagree with him. He just accused Joe Biden of arrogance. And he just went left of Dennis Kucinich. Somewhat unbelievable for a politician from Alaska. He said “We should just plain get out of Iraq.”
Edwards made a good statement that he should have made more often when he was running for Vice President. He said that the recent Supreme Court decision on partial birth abortion is an example of how consequential the next election is. (Well, the last election was really the consequential one — as the swing on the Supreme Court has happened.)
Senator Biden supports Roe v. Wade but would not pose “litmus test” question to potential Supreme Court nominees. But he would bring people in who “shared his values.”
Hillary thinks that the federal government did something — not sure what yet — that failed the student victims at Virginia Tech. Ahh. . .guns in the hands of the mentally unstable. She has a point.
Bill Richardson is asked whether in light of the Virginia Tech tragedy he would reconsider his opposition to gun control. He’s for guns — but against insane people carrying them. And he wants “instant background checks.” Not sure those would have fixed this problem.
Show of hands — Gravel, Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Kucinich have all had a loaded gun in their homes.
Biden then said “shotgun. . .not handgun.”
Health care is next. Brian Williams said it is the second highest priority for Americans in nearly all polls. To get more health care coverage funded, Edwards said that he would reverse Bush’s tax cuts. He outlined his universal health care plan — funded entirely, I think (but could be wrong here), through employers.
Senator Obama wants a national pool that people can buy into if they don’t have health insurance through their employer. He then seems to be calling for cost caps in the medical field. He is also emphasizing the “catastrophic insurance” course for some firms and some citizens to avoid being undermined by bankruptcy.
Wow. Hillary Clinton just made a bold statement that she would not support putting more federal money into our health plan until this “broken system” is fixed. If only she would say something like that with regard to the men, women and money she supports going into a broken Pentagon.
Email questions in now — the first from Daniel to Joe Biden. Why are candidates in South Carolina if the NAACP has asked people to boycott the state until the confederate flag is taken down from the South Carolina state house. Biden identified a prominent black politician who brought the debate to South Carolina — good answer. Obama said that the flag belongs in a museum. Hint to his campaign: in the future Obama said that the flag we should all respect, all rally around, is the American flag — and any other flag, particularly ones that reflect such pain and national horror should be ripped out of the public square.
Ugh, I don’t really enjoy education questions — like the one Joe Biden just had to respond to. The federal government is mostly impotent on education and few want to admit it.
John Edwards makes a compelling statement about making a transition in our oil and energy use — and the importance of denting those contributors to climate change. He knows the language of climate change — understands cap and trade and carbon sequestration — and was confident. All good.
What do the candidates want to do on their first day in the White House? Richardson wants to launch an “Apollo Mission” like program for renewable energy. We all do. He also wants to use that first day to get out of Iraq.
Barack Obama said our three most important allies are the European Union, NATO (almost the same thing — but not quite, and sort of odd to call NATO an ally since we dominate it. . .maybe I misheard him somehow). He then said Japan. That will make Prime Minister Abe happy at the White House tonight. Obama then said that China was neither friend nor enemy. Brian Williams then went after Obama on Israel/Palestine — and Obama clarified his statement a few months ago that no one suffered more in the world than the Palestinian people. He stated that that suffering was almost entirely the fault of Palestine’s leadership. Triangulation it’s called.
Biden — very good statement on the importance of reestablishing American engagement in the world and enlightened, principled leadership.
Mike Gravel sounded like he basically wants to draw back home and basically “disengage” from the world — not in a nasty way, but just to get out of everybody else’s business abroad.
On Russia, Bill Richardson would think about what America’s basic strategic interests are as the basic driver of his strategy with Russia. Richardson gets an A-plus for that answer. Commenting on Bush, he said “being stubborn is not a foreign policy.”
Hmmmm. . .great question! Do the candidates feel that there is a genuine “Global War on Terror.” Kucinich rejects the GWOT in its entirety. Brian Williams goes further and asks what happens if we had two new al Qaeda attacks on two American cities. First to Obama who said that we’d have to make sure our “emergency response teams” and capacity were in place. Then he’d have to figure out who committed the terror — without using bad intel or manipulating the intel that any party might want.
Edwards would find out who was responsible and respond harshly and immediately. Then he’d ask how did the strikes occur without early warning from our intelligence machinery.
Hillary Clinton, Edwards, and to some degree Obama are strongly emphasizing the “play the harsh card” with terrorists. But they all lose. They are trying to emphasize killing actors who are trying — through their terror act — to look legitimate in the eyes of some people. We need to spend more effort stealing the audience, not just knocking off the actors. None of the candidates said this — though Kucinich probably would have.
Is there a difference between gay marriage and civil unions? Dodd said that the way to perceive this is the way a parent would hope for their own children. He believes that civil unions are appropriate and proper but doesn’t support gay marriage.
Biden embraces a Manhattan Project approach on energy. But he gets right to the point. Advances take multi-billion dollar investments. That’s right.
Richardson said that we need to plan for “a post-Castro Cuba.” That means we need to end the travel restrictions and consider a set of alternative and different courses with Cuba. He gets a B for his response, but it’s on the right course. He wants democracy and trade unions in Cuba — wants to build in the Cuban-American communities in Florida and New Jersey and move collectively together. Easier said than done — but still good.
Question to Senator Edwards — who is his moral leader? He thinks he really doesn’t have one. Mentioned his Lord and wife. I think he gave the only appropriate answer.
Hillary had good response on whether Wal-Mart was good thing or bad thing. She said Wal-Mart was a mixed blessing.
Joe Biden said that there is a winner on the stage tonight — a lot of winners — and that the Democratic Party will perform strongly. Good response — and Biden got the last word.
No one really fell apart tonight — though I think Mike Gravel didn’t get very far. All the rest seemed assured and probably made their constituencies feel great about their performances.
The biggest theme that bothered me about most of the field was that they all think that they still have to run hard and tough in standing up to America’s threats and to the terrorists lurking beyond our borders. They offered few compelling strategies that might really undermine this threat. Obama talked about “building trust” in the world — but emphasized whacking bad guys much, much more.
— Steve Clemons

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27 comments on “Watching the Debate?

  1. Kathleen says:

    I’m with you Carroll on not wanting a woman who has to bend over backwards to prove she’s as tough as a man on the use of force. It would be like going from Busholini to Margaret Thatcher.
    I was very disturbed by Obama’s comment about Iran and development of weapons grade uranium enrichment and that there were no scientific experts to refute that claim. Wrong. El Baradei at the UN has consistantly said that Iran is NOT developing weapons grade uranium and would not have that capacity for 10 years.
    This is too sloppy of Obama for me. It’s like “canned policy”.
    No, so far, only Kucinich was right when it counted and right about what to do now
    HR 1234 calls for REPLACING our troops in Iraq with UN Peace Keepers. If Busholini vetos the funding bill, Dems should send him HR 1234. That is the best plan.

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  2. Pissed Off American says:

    Let’s hope we can get Obama elected before he’s ruined by lobbyists.
    Posted by Matthew
    Obama has already been ruined, by THE lobby. He is solidly in Israel’s pocket. As is Edwards, Richardson, and Clinton. The only one that has resisted the deep pockets of Israel, has refused to advance Israel’s LIES about the Iranian nuclear program, and has publically renounced the damaging influence of Israel and its lobbys, is Kucinich.
    Kucinich: “In last night’s debate, Senator Obama revealed that he has fallen into the same trap which wrongly took us into war against Iraq: ‘But, have no doubt, Iran possessing nuclear weapons will be a major threat to us and to the region.’ And in the next breath he asserted that according to experts, Iran is developing nuclear weapons. : ‘… but they’re in the process of developing it. And I don’t think that’s disputed by any expert.’ “Where is Senator Obama’s proof for such a provocative statement?” 4/28
    http://www.kucinich.us/

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  3. Matthew says:

    I’ll stick with Obama’s first answer on Palestine. It’s amazing how when American politicians look at the facts, they criticize Israel…then they get “education” and pressure from the Israel Lobby and suddenly, eureka, Israel is not to blame for anything.
    Let’s hope we can get Obama elected before he’s ruined by lobbyists.

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  4. carsick says:

    “…all think that they still have to run hard and tough in standing up to America’s threats…”
    I think they are afraid to mention soft power strategies so they don’t give critics a chance to take a snippet of an answer and blow it up to “See, they want to cuddle the terrorists.”

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  5. Steve Clemons says:

    Thanks Ben — did not meet Richardson in private. As I have written elsewhere, the only response I indirectly received from his team was that an angry call was made by Bill R’s chief of staff to Senator Jeff Bingaman’s chief of staff. They never spoke to the veracity of the question I posed. Richardson called the comments I made mean-spirited.
    But I posed my question — but I’m not out there lurking to get Bill Richardson. In fact, I have quite actively applauded many of the great things he has been saying. But as far as his past “public” demeanor regarding the women he has worked with, he seems to have refused to say a word.
    All that said, I know many people around the Governor — and I know that he has seriously ‘stopped’ this sophomoric, I’m the boss misbehavior that he may have thought was fun and in jest — but which his subordinates did not like at all.
    I don’t expect him to respond at this point — but if his behavior has clicked into something more tolerable and acceptable, then all the better.
    Steve Clemons

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  6. Ben says:

    “And did anyone remember to ask her why a few million lay people, the UN, and most progressives were smart enough to know that the Iraq/WMD thing was a load of horseshit, yet she was hoodwinked into voting for the invasion?”
    You’re right – Gerhard Schroder for POTUS! His words to Rumsfeld – “The evidence is just not there! I am not convinced!” (paraphrased, I’m lazy) still stand out as the most public statement by a world leader about the true nature of the rush to war.
    Steve – I take it Bill Richardson hasn’t responded to your questions then?
    Quoth the Raven:
    “Have you behaved inappropriately or not in public settings with female members of your government administration, jokingly or not? Have you gestured to female public servants and political appointees — who work as colleagues with you — and made lewd gestures, specifically pointing to them and then pointing at your crotch with a room full of media and other politicos there in the room?”
    Did you not feel the urge to take this up with him in private? Have you had a response from staffers, or anything? Seems fairly important, if we are to start investing energy towards ’08. Sorry that you don’t feel the need to resurrect this here, but I gather these points weren’t made from whole cloth?

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  7. Carroll says:

    Regarding the GWOT…
    From Tenet’s book out Monday:
    “Mr. Tenet expresses puzzlement that, since 2001, Al Qaeda has not sent “suicide bombers to cause chaos in a half-dozen American shopping malls on any given day.”
    A lot of us have been puzzled over that same thing. Wonder why not? It’s not like they couldn’t come across by the truckload from Mexico.
    I also wonder why they haven’t posioned water systems around the country or had bycycle messengers drop bombs off in mailboxes around cities or done a thousand other easy things to panic the public. For deicated terriers and sucide bombers they aren’t very busy are they?

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  8. Carroll says:

    “The only way jihadist can acquire and effectively deliver nukes is if we let them. No stateless organization has the resources or the infratstructure capability to develop nukes. There is the slim possibility of acquiring these weapons on the black market, but here again delivery and successful execution of these devises would require the US government, military, and intelligence apparatus FAILING completely on several fronts. ”
    Posted by TonyForesta at April 27, 2007 01:25 AM
    >>>>>>>
    Again we agree except for this. Terrorist don’t necessarily need the resouces.. the chance another country will supply terrorist with a nuke is increasing and probable if we continue to inflate the GWOT and stomp on the interest of 90% of the rest of the world. And no one will cry for us.
    And this part..”would require the US government, military, and intelligence apparatus FAILING completely on several fronts.”…Is exactly what happened on 911..every single, solitary, agency of the United States Goverment all failed beforehand, during and completely at the exact same time.
    What’s changed?
    One thing I am curious about thought and don’t have time right now to go back and find was the report from Europe Intell and Germany that the hijackers were mainly Egyptian, not Saudi. I am not sure when it morphed into Saudi, whether that was another bit of media stuff or if there were any corrections later. It would be interesting to go back and look at the sources and see if any of the identifications were actually definite.

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  9. Carroll says:

    Email questions in now — the first from Daniel to Joe Biden. Why are candidates in South Carolina if the NAACP has asked people to boycott the state until the confederate flag is taken down from the South Carolina state house. Biden identified a prominent black politician who brought the debate to South Carolina — good answer. Obama said that the flag belongs in a museum. Hint to his campaign: in the future Obama said that the flag we should all respect, all rally around, is the American flag — and any other flag, particularly ones that reflect such pain and national horror should be ripped out of the public square.”
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    Well hold on a minute. I have a Confederate Flag. The flag doesn’t mean the same thing to everyone. We consider it the symbol of the War of Northern Agression. Not a symbol of slavery. I know it goes against the popular magnolia myth but 90% of southerners didn’t even have slaves and were fighting simply for their land and families.
    In fact there were as many “indentured servants” in the North as there were slaves in the South at the time. A little fact that somehow escapes the bigot police’s attention.
    WMD’s were a little ahead of Lincoln’s time.
    In fact considering what the “carpetbaggers” have done to the Stars and Stripes the South probably needs to succeed from the Union again.

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  10. TonyForesta says:

    I hear you Carroll, but intelligent leadership prioritizes real as opposed the hyped or invented threats.
    Let me remind you, that the jihadist mass murderers (15 of whom were Saudis, and whose operations were Saudi backed and financed) that attacked America on 9/11 used box cutters, and our own aiplanes taking tragic advantage of the Bush government woefull incompetence, hurbris, and hatred of Clinton and sitting on their hands ignoring information and operations put in place by Clinton to thwart such attacks. The only way jihadist can acquire and effectively deliver nukes is if we let them. No stateless organization has the resources or the infratstructure capability to develop nukes. There is the slim possibility of acquiring these weapons on the black market, but here again delivery and successful execution of these devises would require the US government, military, and intelligence apparatus FAILING completely on several fronts.
    America must quit pimping and believing in the insane delusions of the socalled neverendingwaronterror. This is a Rendon Group, Rove concoction and mass marketing plan to deceptively justify the fascist warmongers, profiteers, and pathological liars in the Bush government wanton profiteering from old world WWII invasions, occupations, and military industrial complex mechanism supporting these kinds of fruitless, impotent, foolish, and imperialist wastes of blood, treasure, and US credibility.
    All the assets in our military and intelligence apparatus must be redirected toward police actions involving the discovery, hunting, capturing, or killing of every jihadist mass murderer and all those who aid and abet them on the planet. These endeavors will require the use of covert, special ops hunter killer teams, ninja’s, and our black ops teams working under cover, out of uniform infiltrating our enemies networks, systems, operations, and cells, and then either capturing or killing them.
    American soldiers in massive numbers and in uniforms roaming the street of foriegn nations like legionaires is a recipe for disaster, and a catastophic impotent waste of resources, blood, and treasure in the context of 4h generation warfare threats. American covert teams need to look like, act like, and infiltrate the jihadist networks, organizations, cells and operations, – cut of the PRIMARILY SAUDI WAHABI backed abundant funding and nurturing of these jihadist freaks and hunt down, capture, or kill every single one of these shaitans, and all those who aid and abet them.
    Forget about large land forces and huge WWII invasions and occuptions, or marauding of victim nations resources, or forcing some perveted fascist form of democracy down the throats the victim nations innocent population and return to, and resume in earnest the hard and difficult work of hunting down, capturing, or killing every jihadist mass murderer and all those who aid and abet them on the planet.
    We agree America, or any nation can never eliminate every threat. But we need not pervert and betray our principles and dismantle our democracy, or dismember the Constitution to defeat the freaks and shaitans of jihadist islam.
    The fascist warmongers, profiteers, and pathological liars have conflated this enemy into some super villain or giant slurry of evidoers, (excuse me while I laugh my ass off). This is a patent LIE, and one of the ghoulish means the fascist warmongers, profiteers, and pathological liars in the Bush government used to exploit, (if they were not complicit in) the horrors and the dead of 9/11, to FALSELY, and DECEPTIVELY justify the bloody, costly, noendinsight, horrorshow, wayward misadventure, war of choice, and excuse of wanton profiteering in Iraq.
    “Deliver us from evil!”

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  11. Gloria says:

    You write:
    Hmmmm. . .great question! Do the candidates feel that there is a genuine “Global War on Terror.” Kucinich rejects the GWOT in its entirety. Brian Williams goes further and asks what happens if we had two new al Qaeda attacks on two American cities. First to Obama who said that we’d have to make sure our “emergency response teams” and capacity were in place. Then he’d have to figure out who committed the terror — without using bad intel or manipulating the intel that any party might want.
    Edwards would find out who was responsible and respond harshly and immediately. Then he’d ask how did the strikes occur without early warning from our intelligence machinery.
    Hillary Clinton, Edwards, and to some degree Obama are strongly emphasizing the “play the harsh card” with terrorists. But they all lose. They are trying to emphasize killing actors who are trying — through their terror act — to look legitimate in the eyes of some people. We need to spend more effort stealing the audience, not just knocking off the actors. None of the candidates said this — though Kucinich probably would have.
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    Edwards did not emphasize the “harsh card” at all.
    He made a point to continue his answer by saying that the US had tools other than bombs that could be used. He made a point of saying that the issues that created future terrorists had to be addressed.
    I was impressed with Edwards’ answer. Rather than a knee jerk statement favoring “retaliation” (Clinton’s) Edwards made a point of emphasizing that any action had to be reserved until after the perpetrators had been IDENTIFIED. His mention of using other “tools” and addressing the problems that foster terrorism made his answer the most complete of all the candidate’s answers.

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  12. Carroll says:

    The key to winning the presidency is undermining the fiction that the republicans are strong on defense, and democrats are not, and cutting to shreds with the sword of truth the patent lie that democrats do not understand the nature of our enemy or the threats to America, or that democrats will adopt defensive stances.
    Posted by TonyForesta at April 26, 2007 11:12 PM
    >>>>>>>>
    I don’t disagree with most of what you say except that.
    It beats the hell out of me how anyone thinks we can “secure” America from all or even most threats. I know no one wants to admit that and everyone want to “feel safe” but there is no such thing. As Ike said if you just want to be “safe” go live in a prison.
    I guarentee you that if a terrorist had a nuke and wanted to smuggle it into the US he could.
    The “nature” of our enemy is no different than our own nature. Tit for tat.

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  13. Carroll says:

    O.K. I watched.
    I have no idea who Hillary is talking to, she sure isn’t talking to me. I get further and further away from her. She evidently feels she has to prove her militant bona fides because she is a woman. I don’t want a woman, insecure about what real strenght is, out to prove she is tougher than a man in charge if we have another 911 or another war. That would be another Bush with a sex change + hot flashes.
    I sort of liked Richardson best, which surprised me. He didn’t seem scripted. I think he is probably smarter than he sounds to people.

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  14. Penelope says:

    I don’t get that no one seems to mention the inconsistency of “This war is a disaster” AND, if we were attacked again, “I’d immediately retaliate militarily”!@#$#*(^#(&^)#@% (Hillary, Richardson, Obama).
    That’s exactly HOW we got into this disaster in the first place. Does anyone notice this? Also, what is Dennis Kucinich (who I admire) doing with a loaded gun in his house if he is a peacenik?

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  15. Robert Morrow says:

    Question: are not Andrea Mitchell and her husband Alan Greenspan close personal friends of the Clintons? Just wondering, someone correct me if I am wrong – Robert

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  16. TonyForesta says:

    This is what democracy looks like. All the criticisms and analysis will hone each of these candidates positions, and message, and eventually the majority of the people will decide what position and what message best reflects their best interests.
    Ignore the complicit parrots in the socalled MSM. They are partisan mouthpieces for the fascist warmongers, profiteers, and pathological liars in the Bush government who hate democrats and all things liberal. The complicit parrots in the socalled MSM will slime democrats and laud glories on the fascists in the GOP no matter what the facts may be, or no matter how many lies are pimped by theright.
    The key to winning the presidency is undermining the fiction that the republicans are strong on defense, and democrats are not, and cutting to shreds with the sword of truth the patent lie that democrats do not understand the nature of our enemy or the threats to America, or that democrats will adopt defensive stances.
    They will not, nor will the people allow them or any leadership ever again to delay, detour or quit hunting, capturing, or killing every single jihadist mass murderer and all those who aid and abet them on the planet. America cannot continue wasting blood, treasure, credibility, and time in Iraq policing a civil war, and engorging the off sheet accounts of cronies cartel, cabals, coteries and oligarchs beholden to or part of the fascist warmongers, profiteers, and pathological liars in the Bush government.
    The democrats must relentlessly pound the facts into the America conscience that the fascist warmongers, profiteers, and pathological liars in the Bush governmet –
    FAILED AMERICA on 9/11
    RUTHLESSLY DECEIVED AMERICA with regard to the justifications of the bloody, costly, noendinsight horrorshow and excuse for wanton profiteering in Iraq.
    GHOULISLY EXPLOITED the dead and the horrors, of 9/11, and later our soldiers like Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman for purely partisan policital gain.
    THE FASCIST WARMONGERS, PROFITEERS, and PATHOLOGICAL LIARS in the Bush government perverted and betrayed America’s core principles by sanctioning torture, rendition, the elimination, of centuries old due process, and habeaus corpus precedents, repeatedly and insistently lying to the American people about the justifications, the accounting, the ultimate objectives, and the factbasedrealities of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and in the prosecution of the socalled neverendingwaronterror.
    THE FASCIST WARMONGERS, PROFITEERS, AND PATHOLOGICAL LIARS, IN THE BUSH GOVERNMENT have ruthlessly, systemically, and insidiously mangled, dismantled, dismembered, and re-engineered the Constitution, and the rule of law, by spying on the American people without review, recourse, or remedy for abuse, – by sliming our fellow Americans for daring to question, challenge, dissent with, or oppose the fascist, failing policies and machinations of the Bush government, – by profiteering wantonly in and from the prosecution of the war, occupation, and colonization, – I mean reconstrution process,
    by shamelessly marauding Iraqi’ of their oil recources – by using the justice, state department, as well as the pentagon, and office of Homeland Security as partisan enforcers of Bush government policies, and machinations, – by employing the complicit parrots in the socalled MSM as a propaganda and disinformation arm of the Bush government to conduct information warfare, (information domination, perception management, disinformation, and propaganda operations) on the American people, – by revenge outing, and punishing our own agency and other intelligence apparatus operatives and operations for whistle blowing and revealing the grim facts and truth about the Bush government failing, fascist machinations, – by using signing statement to ignore congress and the will of the American people to advance the fascist, imperialist, corporatist, and failing policies and machinations of the Bush government, – and finally for shaming America and all Americans by dismissing the Constitution as a “goddamn piece of paper”, and the America people as a constituency group.
    When democrats finally muster the courage as a united party to put impeach on the table – their popularity, credibility, and electability will hurl the chosen candidate to the WH in 2008.
    “Deliver us from evil!”

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  17. Pissed Off America says:

    “At the end of the day – isn’t Bill Richardson both the most qualified and most electable of any these folks? as well as right on most issues?”
    Posted by oppositionradio
    “the cornerstone of my foreign policy in the Middle East would be a strong relationship with Israel.” – Bill Richardson, in a speech before the National Jewish Democratic Council. In the same speech, he advocates increasing the military and economic “aid” to Israel. Perhaps these racists need a few more cluster bombs with which to murder and maim Lebanese children. Apparently, Richardson intends to see that they get them.

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  18. oppositionradio says:

    At the end of the day – isn’t Bill Richardson both the most qualified and most electable of any these folks? as well as right on most issues?

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  19. peggy says:

    Pissed Off America — 09:11 PM
    very good analysis! i couldn’t have done any better!

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  20. Brigitte N. says:

    What would one expect from such a “debate” that was really a media directed question-and-answer session in which none of the candidates had time enough to give as comprehensive answers as were needed in response to some questions. Instead of asking a few pertinent questions, moderator Williams and his side-kick in the audience threw in too many completely irrelevant questions.
    There were no winners and losers here–except, perhaps, for the realizations that all of these candidates looked pretty good in comparison of what we have right now.

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  21. Pissed Off America says:

    Truth be told, I believe these kinds of debates are fairly inconsequential, unless you want to know what your favorite candidate is currently lying about. The un-televised raps before special interest groups are far more illustrative of whose cause the particular candidate is going to pursue. Case in point is Richardson’s comments and Clinton’s comments to the “National Jewish Democratic Council”.
    http://tinyurl.com/3bvzqj

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  22. Pissed Off America says:

    Well, I guess Richardson wasn’t stupid enough to repeat his comment that he wants to increase funding for aid and military assistance to Israel, eh? Did he state that his foreign policy formulas in the Middle East would put Israel’s interests on a par with our own?
    And Kucinich didn’t jump around like a potato flake on a hot skillet? Maybe there is hope for the guy.
    Did Hillary remember to tell us that putting her in the Oval Office isn’t a guarantee that she won’t act militarily on Israel’s lies about Iran’s nuclear program? And did anyone remember to ask her why a few million lay people, the UN, and most progressives were smart enough to know that the Iraq/WMD thing was a load of horseshit, yet she was hoodwinked into voting for the invasion?
    Anyone ask Obama just what the hell he has done that qualifies him to be President Of the United States?
    Did Edwards cop to what shampoo he uses?
    Did anyone say “Who?” when Gravel was introduced?
    Did anyone swear Biden in, and get his signature on whatever he stated his position is today?
    I wish I could say “I’m sorry I missed it”.

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  23. Gene says:

    The show of hands on ‘who thinks there is a Global War on Terror’ question was quick. I think Obama, Clinton, Richardson, and Dodd all raised their hands. Anybody else catch this?
    I don’t think I can support anybody who allows this kind of rhetoric to frame their thinking.

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  24. marky says:

    Hmm… isn’t part of the answer to that terror attack question that the moment after an attack is two moments too late? We need good intelligence before an attack, not after. Also would have been a great opportunity for someone—Richardson would be great with this—to say “I wouldn’t read My Pet Goat for 7 minutes!”.

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  25. Marky says:

    Hmm, I’m not sure I like Biden’s answer about SC justices. Bush also chose justices who shared his values. I don’t think Biden plans to appoint colorless toadies to SCOTUS as Bush has done, but you can’t tell that from his answer.

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  26. Steve Clemons says:

    lol…thanks Dan. I think you are wrong. I like Obama a lot — and will probably be sucking up to him at some point. But the mil issue you outline above is very important — and I think you and I are exactly in the same space.
    Hope all is well with you,
    steve

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  27. Dan Kervick says:

    Making the military bigger is a vapid and shallow response that doesn’t address the fundamental problem of what undermined the military to begin with. I will ease up on him when he begins to get this point right.
    Making the military bigger has unfortunately become the conventional wisdom across a vast range of the Democratic party establishment. All these candidates listen to the same group-thinking think tankers, and that’s what they are telling them.
    That said, I think you will only ease up on Obama when his campaign begins to suck up to you in the proper way.

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