US Foreign Policy Chat on Rachel Maddow Show

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rachel maddow steve clemons basiji.jpgTonight, some time between 9 and 10 pm EST (and then again between 11 pm and midnight) during the Rachel Maddow Show — not sure of time just yet — I’ll be chatting with Rachel about America’s foreign policy plate.
We may be on McChrystal, Petraeus & Afghanistan. Alternatively, Rachel may ask me to talk her down on Jim DeMint’s coup-hugging in Honduras.
Or, we might be talking about green shoots that haven’t been seen for decades in the Iran-US relationship.
Not sure yet, but the show is always interesting. Keith’s too.
— Steve Clemons

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27 comments on “US Foreign Policy Chat on Rachel Maddow Show

  1. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Thats because he’s not your friend, OR your brother. His only siblings are Power and Money.

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  2. Paul Norheim says:

    “Dear Barrack Obama, the Great Leader of the World, my Friend, my Brother, Provide
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    Agha Dilbar, I`ve sent many similar letters to my friend and brother (the President of
    the United States) recently, but it somehow looks like he tries to avoid me, because
    he refuses to answer them! Lord knows why…

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  3. John Waring says:

    Dan Kervick,
    Please go to BernardFinel.com and read his take on the McChrystal controversy.
    I think Mr. Finel nails it. General McChrystal was egregious.

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  5. kotzabasis says:

    WigWag
    Only a ‘fool’ who has your strength of character can laugh at himself.
    Cheers!

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  6. ... says:

    i think for maddow, dissent expressed towards her own media bosses equates with treason… she obviously isn’t one to do it!!!

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  7. samuelburke says:

    Maddow: Dissent = Treason
    Posted by Lew Rockwell on October 2, 2009 10:47 AM
    “I am no fan of Senator Jim DeMint nor of the Honduran regime, but watch ex-peacenik Rachel Maddow defend the US regime as the be-all and end-all of history, and dissent from it as worthy of death. She’s smiling, yes, but that just makes it worse. Here is demonstrated the deal she made, and all the TV media have made, in return for money and glory: state worship and thought control.”
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/038040.html

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  8. Outraged American says:

    Two polls that should scare us all:56% of American Jews think U.S.
    should strike Iran. And I read at antiwar.com this AM that 61% of
    Americans want an Iran strike. But I was drunk so can’t find the
    article again.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1117995.html
    Quoting Wig ” fool’s errands are my specialty.” Back-off girlfriend: I
    have those fool’s errands covered.

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  9. WigWag says:

    “WigWag surprisingly is on a fool’s errand”
    Don’t be surprised Kotzabasis; I’m afraid that sometimes I think that fool’s errands are my specialty.
    Cheers!

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  10. kotzabasis says:

    WigWag surprisingly is on a fool’s errand. While he acknowledges the importance of victory in Afghanistan that could be delivered by the “proper course’ of McChrystal and the multi-dimensional effects such a victory would have on global jihadists, at the same time he would be willing to pull a “MacArthur” on a ‘politicized’ McChrystal and hence diminish the chances of the U.S. winning the war in Afghanistan. Alas, according to his ‘dismal’ logic, politics should trump military victory.
    Moreover he unimaginatively disregards the totally negative political repercussions such an injudicious dismissal would have on Obama himself, in the current political climate in America that as Kervick notes, in an unusually correct insight, to make McChrystal a “martyr” would be a political calamity for Obama.

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  11. Outraged American says:

    Arthur, you are now my new imaginary boyfriend so move out of
    the bed Steve.
    Steve’s going to have to sleep on the floor and beg for treats
    along with Annie, Oakley and whatever that last one’s name is,
    along with my husband
    But the hubbilina doesn’t mind because his only purpose in life
    is to make money, grovel and be a self-hating Jew.
    I actually have some information to impart: some experts are
    saying that because there has been a huge weariness of war/
    economic crisis we might only do further and more severe
    sanctions on Iran.
    The type of sanctions that kill babies. F*uck us.

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  12. Steve Clemons says:

    Wig – you are probably right. Lots of loopholes – and the Senator
    has a right to say whatever he’d like on floor of Senate, but it does
    get dicey — and dramatic — when one flirts with opponents of the
    US abroad…though as POA says, there are lots of cases where that
    is probably happening elsewhere in world. all best – -need to
    crash. best, steve

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  13. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “I ran out of time or I would have suggested that Senator DeMint consider registering as a Foreign Agent under FARA at the Department of Justice”
    But of course, not Hoyer, he’s just being a proper little whore. You gotta choose your treasons carefully.

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  14. WigWag says:

    Steve, I hate to break it to you, but the Speech and Debate Clause of the US Constitution almost certainly exempts DeMint from the provisions of FARA as well.
    Senator DeMint isn’t breaking the law; he’s just an idiot.

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  15. Steve Clemons says:

    Wig — I ran out of time or I would have suggested that Senator DeMint consider registering as a Foreign Agent under FARA at the Department of Justice. all best — steve

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  16. WigWag says:

    I just watched Steve on MSNBC; he looks like he lost a little weight. He looked great.
    But his repeated allusions to the Logan Act were just silly.
    1)The Logan Act almost certainly can’t be applied to Senator DeMint. The Speech and Debate Clause of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 6, Clause 1) almost certainly exempts DeMint from penalties under the statute.
    2)No indictment under the Logan Act was brought in the 20th century; obviously none has been brought in the 21st century.
    3)The Logan Act was passed during the Administration of John Adams and was motivated by the same hysteria that resulted in the Alien and Sedition Act.
    4)If the Logan Act had actually ever been enforced shouldn’t indictments have been brought against Jimmy Carter (numerous negotiations with foreign leaders without Presidential permission); Stokley Carmichael (visit to Hanoi), Jane Fonda (visit to Hanoi), George McGovern (visit to Cuba); John Sparkman (visit to Cuba); Jesse Jackson (visits to Nicaragua and Libya)?
    5)Unlike Senator DeMint (and Senators McGovern and Sparkman)the Logan act actually applies to Jimmy Carter, Stokley Carmichael, Jane Fonda and Jesse Jackson. None of them were protected by the Speech and Debate clause.
    I realize that Rachel Maddow’s program is just “show business” but is that an excuse for the discussion to be so trivial?

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  17. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “I think Obama will really accept this responsibility very well. Whatever his other faults, he seems like a stand-up guy”
    ROFLMAO!!!!! Flip flop after flip flop, stays mute during the bloodbath in Gaza, backs down on settlements, escalates the Afghani fiasco, backs the criminal Bush in a number of legal wranglings over domestic spying and torture issues, refuses to prosecute known perjuries, throws Wright under the bus, throws Freman under the bus, need I go on???? And he’s about to bullshit us into another Middle Eastern fiasco, using the same script Israel and the neo-cons used to screw us into Iraq.
    Stand up guy??? What planet do you live on?

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  18. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Well, it was enlightening watching Steve’s appearance on Maddow’s show.
    The Logan Act, eh??? Well, that would explain why Steve has not commented on Reid and Hoyer’s open rebellion, seen botrh here and in junklets to Israel, voiced against Obama’s prior stance on the settlements. I say “prior” because these pieces of shiut, Reid and Hoyer, completely undermined any leverage Obama had with Israel, by demonstrating that Obama DID NOT have the support of the majority.
    So Steve, did Hoyer violate the Hogan Act, or not? He went to Israel, and spoke against the POTUS’s policy advocations, and the State Department’s stated policy advocations in regards to the settlements.

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  19. Dan Kervick says:

    “Dan, if it could be proven that McChrystal is the one who leaked his classified report on Afghanistan would you feel differently?”
    Maybe, WigWag. But if I were Obama I think would still try to handle it internally. The last thing he needs is some military martyr for his opponents to latch onto, or a blowup of a new round of the hawk-dove culture war. Occasional dust-ups between the White House and military commanders happen from time to time, and its best to try to get thinks fixed out of public view, and to try to avoid having them turn into political scandals and distracting *causes celebres*. So this is a job for no-drama Obama.
    Obama should also make sure his own political people are tight-lipped, and that they avoid recriminations or accusations in the press, even if they think they are justified. I’m sure there are military people, who, for good reasons, are worried that they are being set up as the fall guys for some future “Who lost Afghanistan?” debate, if the administration decides to pull the plug, scale back or redirect the mission. They are worried that if the mission is changed, Rahm and company will blame the change not on changes in the administration’s strategic or political calculations, or on their own learning curve, but on some failure of the military to accomplish the mission.
    So even though I think either McChrystal or someone on his team stepped over the line, I can also understand that he is fighting for his people, his mission and their reputation, and I can respect that. He’s also in charge of the lives of many soldiers under his command, and is likely convinced that their honor and well-being depends on his recommendations to Washington being followed. Like most soldiers, they want to be given the chance to score a clean win, and don’t want to get “mission unaccomplished” pinned on their chests. And surely the chief responsibility for whatever has gone wrong in Afghanistan rests with the political leadership of two successive administrations, neither of which seems to have had an extremely clear idea of *precisely* what they are trying to do in Afghanistan.
    And that’s not surprising. Afghanistan is confusing. It’s apparently one of the most confusing countries on earth, with endless shifting alliances of tribes and warlords. From the beginning of this war, there has been incessant confusion about the scope and aims of the mission, during both the Bush administration and now the Obama administration. But as Gates said recently, people need to take a deep breath. It looks like there is now some sort of coherent process in place to evaluate the national strategy at the highest level. That’s good.
    We’re nine months into the new administration right now. Bush is well gone. To maintain the respect of his commanders, Obama needs to take unambiguous personal responsibility and ownership of Afghanistan. It’s on him now. His public stance should be that the performance of his commanders and their soldiers in executing the missions and the orders he has given them has been exemplary, and that the responsibility for success or failure in Afghanistan should be pinned on the president alone. And he should make sure all his political advisers understand that message as well.
    I think Obama will really accept this responsibility very well. Whatever his other faults, he seems like a stand-up guy.

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  20. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Well, one thing is for damned sure, you won’t be discussing anything thats critical towards Israel. Maddow won’t touch it, which puts her in the same class as Hannity. Too bad, really. A great personality, with a great delivery, and she just one more mouthpiece lying to us through omission.
    And she’s got the bullshit script on Iran down pat, too.

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  21. nadine says:

    “I actually agree with McChrystal about the proper course to follow in Afghanistan, but nonetheless I’m troubled by the way he’s injected himself into the political arena. Patreus may be a great general, but he allowed himself to be used in the same way during the Bush Administration.”
    That’s a rather puzzling remark, Wigwag. Once the political parties have politicized foreign policy alternatives, how could a general possibly help “injecting” himself into the debate? Whatever he recommends, and no matter how strictly professional his behavior, his recommendations must align somewhere in the political debate, and will be received accordingly by the partisans.
    General Petraeus gave a sober assessment which further events have proved correct. I don’t see how you can blame him that Republicans believed him and Democrats disbelieved him (remember what Hillary Clinton said about “suspending disbelief”?) for partisan purposes.

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  22. WigWag says:

    Dan, if it could be proven that McChrystal is the one who leaked his classified report on Afghanistan would you feel differently?
    Just curious.

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  23. Dan Kervick says:

    I don’t think McChrystal has gone anywhere near MacArthur territory yet. He, or some of his associates in DC, are just playing the usual Washington game of trying to advance their case through leaks. It’s a little worrying, but as far as we know McChrystal is not threatening unauthorized attacks, disobeying commands or otherwise undermining his president’s policies. Obama will do well to calmly affirm his authority through actions, make sure McChrystal feels his recommendations have been given a full, respectful and honest hearing, and keep McChrystal on the team.

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  24. Paul Norheim says:

    Well said, WigWag.
    Although you agree with McChrystal, you understand the dangers of the recent
    developments.

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  25. WigWag says:

    Brigid is exactly right!
    I actually agree with McChrystal about the proper course to follow in Afghanistan, but nonetheless I’m troubled by the way he’s injected himself into the political arena. Patreus may be a great general, but he allowed himself to be used in the same way during the Bush Administration.
    There is a long history in the country of the CIA seeking to undermine the policies of the sitting President, no matter what political party that President was from.
    Fortunately, until recently America’s military was far less politicized. That’s changing and it’s not good.
    Is it time for Obama to pull a “Harry Truman” and fire McChrystal the way Truman fired Douglas MacArthur?

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  26. Kathleen Grasso Andersen says:

    I always love it when you’re on Rachel and Keith..as MSM goes, they are my favorites..glad Rachel like proPublica, too…my favorite source for Bailout/TARP/Mortgages/oversight, etc. info..thery are lookimng for two investigative reporters and a fill time blogger..check it out if you’re interested/qulaified…
    http://www.propublica.org/about/propublica-seeks-two-more-reporters-and-a-blogger

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  27. brigid says:

    Perhaps you might discuss this, Steve: What does it mean that a secret classified report from field commander McChrystal is leaked to the press with a clear agenda? Cui bono? And how should a president respond to that kind of challenge to constitutional civilian authority by the military?

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