Salman Taseer: An Indispensable Man

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salman taseer 2.jpgThis is a guest note by defense expert and businessman Harlan Ullman who serves as Chairman of the Killowen Group that advises leaders of government and business and who also serves as Senior Advisor at Atlantic Council of the United States. Ullman was a close friend of Pakistan Punjab Province Governor Salman Taseer and hosted a recepton for the Governor in Washington in May 2010 that Steve Clemons was privileged to attend.
French President Charles DeGaulle cautioned the overly ambitious with the admonition that cemeteries are filled with the indispensable and irreplaceable. Regarding Pakistan, the good general was wrong. Punjab’s late governor, Salman Taseer, gunned down last week by a member of the provincial government’s Elite Police security unit, was as close to being indispensable to assuring Pakistan’s evolution to a democratic and secular state as anyone in that nation.
Salman was, and his family remains, close friends. Labeled Pakistan’s leading liberal voice, that description is akin to calling Beethoven and Mozart merely “musicians.” Taseer was an intellect of huge proportion. A realist, pragmatist and humanist, he would have found appropriate company in America’s leading intellectual founding fathers–Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and Alexander Hamilton.
Two of his virtues I particularly admired were his irreverent sense of humor and courage. In a discussion over the rise of America’s tea party, Taseer quipped its origins must have been from Lewis Carroll’s “Alice in Wonderland” and the Mad Hatter. Regarding courage, I have seen little equal in politics or in my own experiences in war. Dressed in his customary black sun glasses and attire, he had the charisma of a Hollywood star.
His self-admitted murderer, Mumtaz Qadri, acted on his radically distorted views of the Koran which the governor rejected publicly and often, calling Pakistan’s blasphemy laws “black” and urging clemency for Aasia Bebe, a Christian Pakistani woman sentenced to death for violations of that law. Hundreds of black bearded clergy and Pakistani lawyers called Qadri a hero and promised an acquittal at trial.
Even in a conspiracy obsessed nation such as Pakistan, the political overtones of this assassination mandate a high level and immediate investigation as the security detail was approved and selected by the elected government and not by the presidentially appointed governor who were from opposing political parties. But in our mourning over this immense loss, three overriding issues cannot be ignored.
First, in the United States and the West, this killing magnifies the paranoia over radical Islam, al Qaeda and global terror. In truth, virtually all religions have an evil, or to use Taseer’s phrase, “black” side. It was an ultra orthodox Jew who assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin fifteen years ago virtually ending any chance of peace in the region. And today, ultra-right American Christians have bombed abortion clinics and killed physicians for murdering the unborn and unprotected. Stamping out these extreme and unacceptable aspects of religion is the issue, not blaming and holding accountable only one for all evil.
Second, as Taseer frequently reminded us, Pakistan has some 70-80 million youth eighteen and under without few prospects for jobs, education or the future. Bringing them the tools in terms of education, employment and a vision for a hopeful future was one of his highest priorities. He could hear this time bomb ticking. It still is.
Finally, the United States must get serious about Pakistan; what must and can be done; and then do it. The editorial pages of the New York Times and Washington Post not withstanding and despite the hue and cry of complaints from Congress about Pakistan corruption and apathy to fighting the war on terror, does the United States and the West wish to succeed or not in bringing stability to the region? If the answer is yes, then real action must be taken.
Critics argue that since September 11th, billions have already been sent to Pakistan. More will not help. But money is not the major issue although if emergency loans from the IMF do not continue, the nation will go bankrupt and collapse financially.
Crucial are, as Taseer argued, political, strategic, economic and psychological support. First is textile tariff relief that will not cost U.S. workers a single job. Second is agreeing to discussions on a nuclear treaty similar to the one signed with India. Third is using U.S. and other major powers to encourage negotiations between India and Pakistan to reduce tensions and flash points whether over Kashmir or Mumbai-style threats.
Last and the administration may be moving in this direction, the U.S. must decide how critical Pakistan military action in North Waziristan is to success in Afghanistan. If vital, then Pakistan needs the tools in terms of military equipment to do the job. After spending many hundreds of billions of dollars in oil rich Iraq and Afghanistan in equipping those security forces, several tens of billions of dollars for Pakistan seems a bargain despite our own financial hardships.
Make no mistake: without these actions, the current Pakistani government will fall. The opposition, headed by Nawaz Sharif, is no friend of the United States or our Afghan policy. If that happens, in 2012, many will ask “who lost Pakistan?” The answer will be the Pakistanis. But we will have allowed it to happen.
— Harlan Ullman

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60 comments on “Salman Taseer: An Indispensable Man

  1. tambaramblog says:

    “india still is taking more aid money than Pakistan ever has”
    AID is what pakistan get. we take loans and we replay them. so, know the difference between AID and LOAN.
    “when you arent busy oppressing Christians”
    Oppressing christians!! What pope said must have hurt you guys badly i guess
    “they withdrew in the interests of peace..”
    WITHDREW!!! dude know the meaning of withdrawl and surrender. Your general AAK Niazi signed the largest ever troops surrender post world war II
    “told you which army is notorious for rape and genocide”
    But the western sources say you top the list for most number of rape and genocide in your own former province (now bangladesh)..
    Meanwhile did you guys appologize to Bangladesh for only genocide post world war II
    “crying over your failed ‘investment’ in Afghanistan”
    Say this to your Generals. They claim we have a million consulates in Afghanistan and complain about it to U.S and NATO.. Yet couldn’t do anything about it..
    “biggest maritime loss”
    It happens in War, ultimately the objective is achieved.. Annihilation of enemy ports (both chittagong and karachi)
    “while we defended our skies”
    We let you defend your skies considering repercussions from world leaders. Remember Your former prime minister zulfiqar ali bhutto cried at united nations. He might have hanged himselves if west pakistan too was destroyed.
    “Pakistan is still standing right here”
    STANDING is not a apt word, it is limping.. considering the numerous problem it has and consistently featuring in the top failed nation list.
    “nothing we can’t take care of on our own…I can assure you that TTP isnt in 1/3 of Pakistan”
    That is what i said. PAKISTAN CAN’T TAKE CARE ITSELF. Number of terrorist and criminal attacks has increased in 2010. 1800 dead in karachi alone and 1600 dead in the rest of the country. And congratulation you guys have overtaken even Afghanistan in number of deaths.
    “what does a hindu know about Jazziya?”
    I know enough from the news paper that islamic terrorist harm sikhs in pakistan.
    “every year they come here and then are sad to go back ”
    When you have driven them (sikhs) from their homeland to India. They have to go there (pukistan) for pilgrimage. You should have known this when you sent train loads of dead sikhs during partition. And guess what, Sikhs are in the forefront in every war with pukistan and they have won us every war.
    “where demonstrators shouted ”go india go back” while waving the holy Pakistani flag with fervour and pride”
    Your president is right. He said we will wage a 1000 year war with India over Kashmir. Wait for 900 more years we will give you kashmir. 🙂
    You want a joke. oh wait. Pakistan itself is a joke, why tell a different one.
    Well congratulations for being the top failed state. I hope next year you beat Somalia and Afghanistan to get the top position.

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  2. Abu Faraz says:

    ”Harsh language and danda treatment!..This is what you get from IMF and World Bank.”
    follow the news, dolt. Speaking of WB, india still is taking more aid money than Pakistan ever has. Pay back those loans when you arent busy oppressing Christians and dalits.
    “Do you want BBC and other western sources quoting war atrocities done by bloody genocidal pakistan army.”
    funny you talk about genocide while your sissy troops occupy Kashmir and impose draconian laws on them.
    any leads on the case in Shopian –where your coward jawans raped 2 17 year old girls before throwing them in the river?
    just do a google search for ‘indian army rape’ and then you will know whose army is professional at raping (and killing) innocent people
    “Yes, you army did a terrific job raping women and shooting innocent villagers, but when faced with a professional army. They surrendered!”
    they withdrew in the interests of peace….and they were only following orders. I already told you which army is notorious for rape and genocide, so i wont delve further.
    “Now, the holly land is called epi-center of terrorism by world leaders.”
    and yet those world leaders haven’t cut ties with us; their intel and military officials come to Pakistan for consultations, knowing that we hold the key to peace in Afghanistan……the indians have been snubbed, despite some verbal treatment just to keep you from crying over your failed ‘investment’ in Afghanistan =)
    “Remember karachi port denial, Your cold war allies (U.S) pressured us not to attack the then west pakistan.”
    makes no difference…..we werent getting our arms supplies re-stocked; we faced embargo. Your soviet masters were liberally giving you weapons.
    you talk about Karachi port, fair enough. It was a formidable performance by the bhartis.
    Remind me again of hindustan (aka Gandustan) biggest maritime loss? It was when Pakistan navy –which was hardly even equipped then with a surface fleet –blasted your INS Khukri out of the water using torpedos. 176 of your sailors, including 18 officers are now dust in the ganges urine river
    “Remember the American Aircraft career in bay of bengal. Read American war journal, The American General predicted that indian army would require just 10 – 15 days to completely knock off west pakistan”
    Pakistan is still standing right here. By the way, the Americans sent the carrier only as a counter to the USSR, which was posturing and was doing the same.
    and i already told you that the yindoos couldnt even get air supremacy over Pakistani nation. Your air force failed miserably, while we defended our skies.
    “Be carefull buddy, TTP is creating havoc in your town.”
    nothing we can’t take care of on our own…I can assure you that TTP isnt in 1/3 of Pakistan, the same way naxals are in 1/3 of gandustan –bombing and looting your trains, killing your sissy CPRF like its their job, and even kidnapping your nuclear scientists =)
    “This is news to me. I thought the taliban would behead them peacefully. oh i know, they need them to pay Jazziya….”
    what does a hindu know about Jazziya? LoL.
    Oh wait. The Mughal Empire. =D
    at any rate, Sikhs have always been in parts of Pakistan, including here in Peshawar. Go to Saddar or any part of the Old City and you will find them. Very patriotic Pakistanis. After the whole mumbai drama/fiasco they were the ones I saw -daring the hindstanys to come challenge Pakistan in the event of further hostilities.
    you do know that Pakistan is like Mecca for your Sikh khalistani population –every year they come here and then are sad to go back to the rathole (aka india)
    “This is what you have been taught from childhood. It has been more than 6 decades.. We are still waiting… sigh.”
    but it is only now that even some of your politicians, and human rights activists like Ms. Roy have admitted that india is occupying Kashmir and it must be given Azady. Unprecedented until now.
    Omar Abdullah is a cheap puppet in new delhi who claims to represent Kashmiris. But with shoes flying at him; and at the same rate when Geelani calls for a bandh the people listen.
    again, very telling signs. What happened at Lal chowk, where demonstrators shouted ”go india go back” while waving the holy Pakistani flag with fervour and pride.
    “same to you madhar chodh pakis.”
    the real madhar chodho are you indians…..i heard that some of you yindoos even marry dogs and goats for ‘good omens’
    ive seen the news reports….degenerate, self-hating indian twits. Go put a red dot on your forehead, and bathe naked in the filthy ganges urine river with your holy cows.
    now for some relaxation, here’s a joke for you:
    Question: What is one dead indian in the Bay of Bengal?
    Answer: Pollution
    Question: What are all indians at the bottom of the Bay of Bengal?
    Answer: the SOLUTION
    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
    Long live Pakistan Army
    Long live ISI

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  3. tambaramblog says:

    “I know you hindustanis only understand harsh language and daanda treatment”
    Harsh language and danda treatment!..This is what you get from IMF and World Bank.
    “Mujib that Bengalis were discrminated against, this in turn was given further impetus by external forces, presumably the hindustanis and their soviet uncles”
    Do you want BBC and other western sources quoting war atrocities done by bloody genocidal pakistan army.
    “Our army performed a terrific job and followed orders to withdraw”
    Yes, you army did a terrific job raping women and shooting innocent villagers, but when faced with a professional army. They surrendered!
    “she lost on August 14, 1947 (a holy day for all Pakistani nationalists)”
    Now, the holly land is called epi-center of terrorism by world leaders.
    “talked about capturing Lahore.”
    Remember karachi port denial, Your cold war allies (U.S) pressured us not to attack the then west pakistan. Remember the American Aircraft career in bay of bengal. Read American war journal, The American General predicted that indian army would require just 10 – 15 days to completely knock off west pakistan. You were saved by your allies.
    “at no cost to the Pakistani tax payer”
    Do you guys earn enough to pay tax. ouch i didn’t know that. Repay your IMF and World bank loan on time to avoid bankruptcy.
    “I am based in Peshawar”
    Be carefull buddy, TTP is creating havoc in your town.
    “we have Sikhs in this city ”
    This is news to me. I thought the taliban would behead them peacefully. oh i know, they need them to pay Jazziya….
    “india is losing her grip over Kashmiris”
    This is what you have been taught from childhood. It has been more than 6 decades.. We are still waiting… sigh.
    “look forward to yet another baseless, empty, rhetorical post by you bayn chodh bhartis!”
    same to you madhar chodh pakis.

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  4. Ram Kumar says:

    Yes Abu Jihard, “Inshallah” is right.
    Now, get down on your knees, open up your palms, look up to the sky, and
    OOOPS GET OUT OF THE WAY THAT”S BREDATOR-E-JINN,
    NATIONAL BIRD OF PAKISTAN! KHAPPAY!
    BOOM!
    Ok, you escaped this time, good!
    Climb back on the rubble, get on your knees, open up your palms, look up to the sky, and say
    “allah ke naam se kashmir dede baba, supanall…” OOPS THERE’S BREDETOR-E-JINN AGAIN, RUN!
    AND REPEAT.

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  5. Abu 'Jihad' says:

    2 indians engaged in a tag-team. Enough of a sausage fest as it is, but f*ck it — i will break down both your arguments bit by bit. I know you hindustanis only understand harsh language and daanda treatment.
    Lets talk about Bangladesh, since it is always brought up by the pride-robbed self-loathing indians. It was the propaganda blitz launched by Mujib that Bengalis were discrminated against, this in turn was given further impetus by external forces, presumably the hindustanis and their soviet uncles, and who knows who else.
    I would disagree. I do not feel the West Pakistani leadership did anything wrong. Most of the leaders of the “West Pakistani” leadership, were East Pakistanis.
    Our army performed a terrific job and followed orders to withdraw. It was a victory to Bangladesh, NOT a victory to indian filth who regained no territory she lost on August 14, 1947 (a holy day for all Pakistani nationalists)
    It was our internal problems which splited us into 2 parts it was u coward indians who attacked the most weaker part of country where only one squadron of PAF was facing more then 12 squad of indian air force where supply lines were cut off. And while your soviet uncles were oiling you with weapons, we had a total cut in arms from ‘allies’ so I would say we put up a good fight.
    your overweight armchair generals talked about capturing Lahore. What happened? We bombed your aircrafts, your mechanized armour divisions and your airfields like they were sitting ducks.
    Next topic:
    drones….actually i support the drone attacks wholeheartedly, as long as civilians are unharmed. Pakistan army has managed to box them in N. Waziristan agency and that is where PAF (and the drones) have carried out strikes against al qaeda militants.
    proof is there –and it robs you of the ammunition to claim (as your monkey bharti rhat-shacky people assert) that Pakistan supports terrorism.
    At least we are doing something against it. you can go ahead and let naxals bomb your entire red corridor to oblivion –bomb your railways, kill your police, and launder fake currency into your economy. Hey –what’s it to me? They’re doing us a favour, at no cost to the Pakistani tax payer (evader) =)
    as for where I live — I am far from the west. I am based in Peshawar, capital of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. In fact we have Sikhs in this city who probably loathe hindustan more than we do! lol
    as for Kashmir — we know the ground realities. We are following the conflict very closely. india is losing her grip over Kashmiris, and it’s only a matter of time. Your (former) soviet buddies cut their losses and withdrew from Afghanistan when we (and our allies) helped mujahideen oust them. We were short-sighted as was the west for the future, but we did do that. Same will happen to your CPRF and occupation forces (sissies) sometime soon. Inshallah.
    Kashmir will hopefully one day be granted their existential right towards self-determination. So maybe you should start preparing for HOW to deal with a Kashmir that is no longer under your artificial iron grasp. =)
    look forward to yet another baseless, empty, rhetorical post by you bayn chodh bhartis!
    until then,
    warmest of regards
    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

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  6. tambaramblog says:

    @Abu Faraz
    Its better to be a cheap wage under-employed call center worker than a BEGGAR. Meanwhile, what you guys are doing for the next installment of IMF loan. I know the answer – BEG.
    “23 seperatist/rebel movements. Isnt 1/3 of india under naxal influence/control”
    So What?. We aren’t allowing the American/NATO forces to do the job and demanding money from them.
    “tell me about nuclear safety in india”
    We are not the ones to make our nuclear scientist confess on national television and pardon him the next day.
    “you indians harp on about Pakistan to make you feel better, since you indians are the most self-hating people on earth”
    The same reputed sources (western sources) has this description for pakistan.
    “by the way –I am Shiia Muslim, my neighbour is Christian and I have many Ismaili friends especially in Gilgit and Azad Kashmir. We are proud Pakistanis, and despite a bad couple years, we love our country even more than ever.”
    Oh i get it. You all are living together in a western country is it? Because in pakistan your mullahs would make your neighbors disappear one by one.
    “my sympathies to the poor victims of 1984 sikh genocide, Muslims of Gujrat and elsewhere, Kashmiris under indian occupation, poor farmers who turn to naxalism, the ethnic bengalis/nagalandis, etc”
    All put together is less than 1% of what you did to your own former country men (East pakistan now bangladesh) 3 MILLION MASSACRED by army of pure from land of pure. You guys have a special meaning for your country PAKISTAN (Land of pure). May be that is the reason you guys have Pure terrorists, Pure liars, Pure beggars.

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  7. Ram Kumar says:

    Wow, talk about emotions running wild there, Abu Jihad. You seem to confuse a movement with actual secession. Let me remind you again of the existence of one “Bangladesh”, an independent country created by splitting up “Pakistan” in 1971, with the largest post WW2 surrender of 93,000 Pows. You really need to absorb the magnitude of that. And the magnitude of the coming Balkanization like the former Yugoslavia. I predict: Balochistan, Pashtunistan–>merged into Afghanistan, Sindudesh, and a rump state called Pakjab. Maybe you want to consult Ralph Peter’s map for the potential for your terrorist rathole.
    As I said, your emotions regarding Kashmir are just the impotent flailings full of fury signifying nothing. You are as impotent as your 93000 pows were in 1971, and as impotent as your downhill skiing terrorists in Kargil in 1999.
    I would say “go cry me a river”, but in light of your recent floods, aah what the heck, go cry me another river anyway.

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  8. Abu Faraz says:

    another pointless rant by a cheap wage under-employed call center worker
    yes you are doing so well keeping your country together….23 seperatist/rebel movements. Isnt 1/3 of india under naxal influence/control?
    what have u done to stop that? That’s more territory than ALL of Pakistan combined!
    how did 15 naxals manage to kill 76 of your babu police officers, steal their weapons and make escape?
    tell me about nuclear safety in india –where even your top nuclear scientists are found face-down, dead and rotting in your fecal-matter infested swamps (incidentally, in a naxal affected area with little govt writ)
    you indians harp on about Pakistan to make you feel better, since you indians are the most self-hating people on earth (cant blame you for that)
    again, focus on your country –in which majority of the people are poor and dont even have access to sanitation (according to reputed sources) and we will deal with our own problems however we see fit
    hope you understood….
    by the way –I am Shiia Muslim, my neighbour is Christian and I have many Ismaili friends especially in Gilgit and Azad Kashmir. We are proud Pakistanis, and despite a bad couple years, we love our country even more than ever.
    my sympathies to the poor victims of 1984 sikh genocide, Muslims of Gujrat and elsewhere, Kashmiris under indian occupation, poor farmers who turn to naxalism, the ethnic bengalis/nagalandis, etc.
    get lost and go back to your little cucoon (bharat holy rat-hole brahmin shack forum)
    bharty bayn chodho
    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!

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  9. Ram Kumar says:

    Abu Faraz, the only one being emotional is you.
    Indians are doing fine keeping their country together, something you should have taken lessons from in 1971. Even now you can take lessons before there are 3-4 Paki-chotastans. Regarding the Kashmiris, there is nothing you or your American owners can really do.
    Anyway, I think you should stop worrying about blogs and get into rose horticulture. I think business for that is going to ‘bloom’ with all of the wajib-ul-qatl’s your momeen have to take care of. Remember, those pesky ahmadis, ismailis, aga-khanis, shias aren’t all going to kill themselves. If you can’t do the killing, at least have the rose petals ready for those who do.

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  10. Abu Faraz says:

    funny to see these indians (rushed in en masse from their “bharat rat-shack forum”) go on a bandwagon
    instead of actually provide reasoning behind their hot-headed, emotional replies –they resort to ad-hominem attacks on the author himself
    even though qadri did receive a heros welcome by a few demented souls –Pakistan is 170 million people and vast, substantial majority –whether they liked taseer and PPP govt or not –condemn the murder. Murder, threats and intimidation themselves are worse than any blasphemy
    the indians would be better served worrying about their own country, given that the sikhs, bengalis, naxals and tamils are engaged in their own indigenous armed struggles and rebellions
    as for Kashmir –the indians will always cite one-sided polls. The truth is:
    a.) ‘pandits’ escaped next door to india for economic reasons
    b.) anti-indian sentiment runs EXTREMELY deep in the occupied and Azad Kashmir –on both sides of line of control
    c.) the indians have imposed total media blackout in occupied Kashmir — dissidents who post political or media related material on even social networking sites (e.g. facebook) face persecution by indian army (many articles online about it)
    d.) while not all Kashmiris want to cede to Pakistan (some want total independence) the ground realities suggest that all Kashmiris are united against india –they want NOTHING to do with india
    many Kashmiris hang Pakistani flags, and celebrate on August 14 every year (Pakistan independence day)
    every single year (literally) they mark indian indep. day as a Black Day of history
    very telling signs!

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  11. TiredofLies says:

    Posted by jdledelll, Jan 16 2011, 7:33PM – Link
    Nadine – “…the UN mandated that a plebicite be held in Kashmir to determine it’s ultimate fate. India has refused to allow that plebicite for the last 62 years. The reason being the vast majority(almost 80%) of the residents are muslim and there is no doubt about their wishes. ….. Kashmir deserves a vote on who will govern their people as PROMISED!
    So jdledell – the best way to win an argument is to LIE isn’t it? 82% muslim in Kashmir? Can you define this Kashmir that you paint in such a bold stroke? Fact is that the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir is composed of 3 districts – Kashmir Valley (54% area), Jammu (44% area) and Ladakh (2% area). Overall population of the state is 67% Muslim. This does not take into account the Hindus (Kashmiri Brahmins) that were killed and driven out of the Valley by terrorists. The current population of the Kashmir Valley is 95% muslim while Jammu has 65% Hindus and 5% Sikhs; Ladakh has 46% Buddhists. The literacy rate in the entire province is 66.7%.
    And polls conducted by the British in the past have found that a overwhelming majority of Kashmiris wish to stay with India. There have been several elections in the state. Though the Pakistani government talks of providing support to the Kashmiris, it does not consider providing the same support to its own citizens – Balochis, Sindhis, Gilgit and Baltistan that do not want to be a part of the “Punjabi dominated/brutalized” Pakistan. Funnily, Kashmiri is not listed as an official language of the part of Kashmir under Pakistani control. Why is that?
    Also, a 2008 report by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees determined that Pakistan-administered Kashmir was ‘not free’, while Indian Kashmir was. And a 2010 report by Freedom House confirmed that Pakistan-administered Kashmir was ‘not free’, while Indian Kashmir was ‘partially free’.
    Also, Pakistan has ceded a portion of the territory of Jammu and Kashmir in its control to
    China. This was done deliberately to nullify UN resolutions that require that all territory of the state be first brought under Indian control and then for India to conduct the plebscite. Also, at Pakistan’s insistance, the third option i.e. of also offering freedom to the Kashmiris (other two being staying with India or with Pakistan) was stricken off. PLease check the UN’s archives to find this.
    India on the other hand continues to hold elections in Jammu and Kashmir per a periodic national schedule to allow the people of the state to govern themselves. Kashmir has a special status under the Indian constitution that gives the state partial autonomy.
    So please research this more before posting like you have. The last British Viceroy of India – Lord Mountbatten has written in his memoirs that Kashmir could have been solved but for the intransigence of Jinnah and subsequent Pakistan leaders. He states that the Indian Prime Minister had given him a free hand to decide but the Pakistan leaders would not agree to any compromise. I would therefore agree with Nadine more on this topic.

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  12. Arun says:

    jdledelll — Since you know so much about the UN resolutions, you do know that a precondition for the plebiscite in Jammu and Kashmir is that Pakistan would withdraw its forces from the state? Can you tell us if that happened?

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  13. Raghav says:

    An incredibly ill-informed article. Mr. Harlan
    clearly knows next to nothing about Pakistan.
    Allow me to rip into his prescription for success
    there:
    “Crucial are, as Taseer argued, political,
    strategic, economic and psychological support.”
    No doubt of a different variety than has already
    been provided to Pakistan since its independence
    in 1947. Because there’s nothing to show for the
    support that has been provided so far, apart from
    the fact that virtually every single terror attack
    by Islamists in the west is no more than three
    degrees of separation away from Pakistan, at most.
    “First is textile tariff relief that will not cost
    U.S. workers a single job.”
    I’m guessing that the Department of Commerce has
    plenty of little bottle-glassed bureaucrats
    running around right now trying to find that
    elusive tariff that will not cost American workers
    “a single job”. Please Mr. Harlan, you have amply
    displayed your ignorance about military strategy
    in the real world. Must you also inflict economic
    theory on us?
    “Second is agreeing to discussions on a nuclear
    treaty similar to the one signed with India.”
    Sure, and while you’re at it, wangle an invitation
    to high tea at Buckingham Palace for A.Q. Khan,
    with stopovers in North Korea, Iran and Libya en
    route. In any case, such a treaty already exists
    in effect, because the US already has a treaty of
    this nature with China, and Pakistan’s nuclear
    reality is basically a Chinese construction. Never
    mind, what’s another couple of hundred nukes in
    the hands of insane jihadis. The 19 suicidal
    hijackers who carried out 9/11 had no connection
    whatsoever to Pakistan, did they? Did they?
    “Third is using U.S. and other major powers to
    encourage negotiations between India and Pakistan
    to reduce tensions and flash points whether over
    Kashmir or Mumbai-style threats.”
    Well, we know what the Indians will say: (1) We
    are more than ready to negotiate – they actually
    are! (2) We are ready to compromise on the most
    sensitive issues; (3) Even if you do attack us now
    and then we aren’t really going to do anything
    back. So, now what? Can the US convince the
    Pakistanis to negotiate constructively, or to stop
    sending terrorists across the border to kill
    Indians? Probably not, don’t you think, given that
    Washington cannot convince the Pakistani generals
    to stop sending people over the Afghan border to
    kill Americans… So how are you going to actually
    pressure the Indians? And perhaps, more
    importantly, with what instrument? It might help
    to recognise a checkmate, or at worst a stalemate,
    when you see one.
    “Last and the administration may be moving in this
    direction, the U.S. must decide how critical
    Pakistan military action in North Waziristan is to
    success in Afghanistan.”
    How convenient. If military action in North
    Waziristan is “not critical”, I suppose American
    troops just pull back and chill, while the Taliban
    (I can’t tell whether they are the good or bad
    version any more – flip a coin), strengthen
    themelves in the area and beyond. If action is
    critical, then supply the Pakistanis with
    weapons… A heads I win tails you lose offer from
    the Pakistani side. And a great strategic mind in
    Washington has accepted it, and is now promoting
    it to save Pakistan. Is it any wonder that we had
    to go into Afghanistan in the first place?
    A sad, ill-informed, deluded and ultimately
    pointless article that even a Talib would laugh
    at.

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  14. shiv says:

    The people of Pakistan want Islam and they do not want the US. Why not let them have what they want? Taseer was born of an American mother and Pakistani father so his opinions were not “pure” enough. They were not “Paki” enough.
    It’s one thing to write a eulogy to a slain friend. But penning half-witted solutions within that eulogy is laughable.

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  15. Menon BRF says:

    An incredibly ill-informed article. Mr. Harlan
    clearly knows next to nothing about Pakistan.
    Allow me to rip into his prescription for success
    there:
    “Crucial are, as Taseer argued, political,
    strategic, economic and psychological support.”
    No doubt of a different variety than has already
    been provided to Pakistan since its independence
    in 1947. Because there’s nothing to show for the
    support that has been provided so far, apart from
    the fact that virtually every single terror attack
    by Islamists in the west is no more than three
    degrees of separation away from Pakistan, at most.
    “First is textile tariff relief that will not cost
    U.S. workers a single job.”
    I’m guessing that the Department of Commerce has
    plenty of little bottle-glassed bureaucrats
    running around right now trying to find that
    elusive tariff that will not cost American workers
    “a single job”. Please Mr. Harlan, you have amply
    displayed your ignorance about military strategy
    in the real world. Must you also inflict economic
    theory on us?
    “Second is agreeing to discussions on a nuclear
    treaty similar to the one signed with India.”
    Sure, and while you’re at it, wangle an invitation
    to high tea at Buckingham Palace for A.Q. Khan,
    with stopovers in North Korea, Iran and Libya en
    route. In any case, such a treaty already exists
    in effect, because the US already has a treaty of
    this nature with China, and Pakistan’s nuclear
    reality is basically a Chinese construction. Never
    mind, what’s another couple of hundred nukes in
    the hands of insane jihadis. The 19 suicidal
    hijackers who carried out 9/11 had no connection
    whatsoever to Pakistan, did they? Did they?
    “Third is using U.S. and other major powers to
    encourage negotiations between India and Pakistan
    to reduce tensions and flash points whether over
    Kashmir or Mumbai-style threats.”
    Well, we know what the Indians will say: (1) We
    are more than ready to negotiate – they actually
    are! (2) We are ready to compromise on the most
    sensitive issues; (3) Even if you do attack us now
    and then we aren’t really going to do anything
    back. So, now what? Can the US convince the
    Pakistanis to negotiate constructively, or to stop
    sending terrorists across the border to kill
    Indians? Probably not, don’t you think, given that
    Washington cannot convince the Pakistani generals
    to stop sending people over the Afghan border to
    kill Americans… So how are you going to actually
    pressure the Indians? And perhaps, more
    importantly, with what instrument? It might help
    to recognise a checkmate, or at worst a stalemate,
    when you see one.
    “Last and the administration may be moving in this
    direction, the U.S. must decide how critical
    Pakistan military action in North Waziristan is to
    success in Afghanistan.”
    How convenient. If military action in North
    Waziristan is “not critical”, I suppose American
    troops just pull back and chill, while the Taliban
    (I can’t tell whether they are the good or bad
    version any more – flip a coin), strengthen
    themelves in the area and beyond. If action is
    critical, then supply the Pakistanis with
    weapons… A heads I win tails you lose offer from
    the Pakistani side. And a great strategic mind in
    Washington has accepted it, and is now promoting
    it to save Pakistan. Is it any wonder that we had
    to go into Afghanistan in the first place?
    A sad, ill-informed, deluded and ultimately
    pointless article that even a Talib would laugh
    at.

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  16. Jim says:

    This is a load of BS ..
    Salman Taseer was a died in wool — Jihadi !!
    He has a son — called Aatish Taseer, Born to a Hindu Indian Punjabi Journalist — Tavleen Singh ..
    See Wiki link here ..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavleen_Singh
    Please read — Aatish’s book, and about his attempts to get to know his father — Also shows How much hatred “Salman Taseer” has towards Non-Muslims especially Hindus, Sikhs (Tavleeen is Sikh).
    One thing the Paki Terrorists/Jihadis know to do is lay out “Lavish” receptions to American Journalists, Senators, Congressman etc etc !!
    One more article that lays “threadbare” — American Ignorance of History ..
    Sweet Irony — Salman Taseer’s Father was the Lawyer Mohammed Din who in 1929 that tried to defend a Jihadi called “Ghazi Illamuddin” —
    who killed a Indian Journalist Called Raj Pal — after this writer was accused of “blasphemy” !!
    Ghazi Illamuddin was hanged by the British in 1929 ..
    History DOES repeat it self — Ignore history at your own peril !!

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  17. WigWag says:

    I have always been curious about whether Harlan Ullman is the father of the famous psycholinguist, Michael Ullman, Ph.D. Both live in the Washington, D.C. area and Michael Ullman teaches at Georgetown where he is in the Department of Neuroscience. Michael Ullman knows as much or more than anyone in the world about how the brain processes and develops language and he is about the right age to be Harlan’s son. Unless I’m mistaken, Michael Ullman did his postdoctoral work in the lab of Noam Chomsky at MIT.
    http://brainlang.georgetown.edu/director.htm
    Anyway,it’s neither here nor there; I was just wondering.

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  18. Kate says:

    Harlan Ulman’s recommendations to pump billions more into the corrupt coffers of Pakistan will result in the same prospects as the previous moneys, a big naught. His comparison of the wholesale Islamic terrorism with isolated cases of extremism in other faiths is very unbalanced. His advice to offer the civilian nuclear deal to the most vile proliferating regime is outright insane. His desire for ‘US to resolve the Kashmir issue’ is an euphemism to hand over Kashmir to Pakistan on silver platter.
    With consultants like him, no wander US foreign policy is in gutters

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  19. Dr Raj says:

    Is the writer crazy of what?? How can he compare a
    moth infested Afghanistan and Iraq to a sole muslim
    nuclear power Islamic republic of Pakistan, it is
    below the dignity of Pakistan. Pakistanis would
    rather eat grass(as said by butto ” we would eat
    grass but we would make the bomb”) than take this
    insult.

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  20. rc says:

    Well it seems Livini is not so welcome in South Africa as she may have thought. Hope she gives the courts a go. Big chance to clear her name etc!
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/01/20111164466517708.html
    —quote—
    Two South African groups have launched a move to get an arrest warrant issued against Tzipi Livni, the chairperson of Israel’s Kadima party, during a visit to the country next week, Israeli media have said.
    Haaretz.com, quoting Channel 10, said the Media Review Network (MRN) and the Palestine Solidarity Alliance (PSA) allege Livni committed war crimes in her role in Israel’s three-week war on Gaza in late 2008-2009.
    Livni was then foreign minister in the government of Ehud Olmert.
    Channel 10 was citing South African media on reporting the move.
    “We have now been informed that Livni has been invited to this country and have therefore instructed our legal team to take all necessary measures to secure an arrest warrant,” Iqbal Jassat, the head of the MRN was quoted as saying.
    “Our decision is based on the fact that South Africa is a signatory to the Rome statutes which obligates all member states to honour their responsibility in the prosecution of war criminals.”…
    —endquote—

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  21. Carroll says:

    Posted by nadine, Jan 16 2011, 7:02PM – Link
    Norheim, the level of anti-Semitism that rises to rebuke on TWN practically has to match that offered by Ahmedinejad, and even then, you have to use the word “Jew”.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    There is no anti semitism on TWN.
    People just point out and condemn the various actions of Israel and the attitudes and mentality of those like yourself and you pretend it’s anti semitism because that’s all you’ve got.
    If you had a nickel for every time your group has yelled anti semitism you’d probably have enough to reimburse the US taxpayers for all the money they’ve given Israel.

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  22. Carroll says:

    I had to come back and read this again.
    I have a hard time imagining who people like Ullman and most other ‘advisor experts’ think they are with the policies and actions they advocate. If the Tea party reminded the amazing Taseer of Alice in Wonderland, I wonder how he failed to notice that his supporters are like readers of the Wizard of Oz who decided the Land of Oz was the actual real world of immortals and mortals …and moved into it…they being the immortals of course.
    Let’s see now–Ullman says we should ‘stamp out’ all the religious extremes..but how does he want to do that? Designate them terrorist? How does the US ‘stamp out’ religious extremes in a country not our own except by droning them to dust? They can’t even stamp out religious extremes here.
    And –we should provide tariff relief for the sake of their economy and several tens of billions for their military and more weapons so Pak won’t go bankrupt since we are such a stellar example of how to manage an economy and provide employment to a population–“despite our own hardships”–he adds. Who do peole like this think they are to recommend more hardships for Americans because they want to play their dungeons and dragons games abroad?
    And –I have a very hard time with the ‘stability’
    meme….because as we all know the US mostly maintains what they call stability by keeping US friendly regimes or rulers in place while paying lip service to democracy…over ruling the populations own desires most of the time.
    First–and last– of all, no one trust the US and it’s intentions or motives any longer, no one except the wannabe rulers and rulers in waiting to serve the US interest in return for 10%.

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  23. DonS says:

    . . . been working on a few old favorites with my guitar and a few friends
    . . . just a clic to Kristofferson, w/ W. Nelson
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zGGzsiA1dA

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  24. Dan Kervick says:

    … and on click to flamenco:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scus9teTdjo

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  25. Paul Norheim says:

    It’s amazing, isn’t it?
    Even Ethiopian music is only one click away:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l5yHfmOvRk&ob=av2em

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  26. nadine says:

    Warren, bet you believe “Valley of the Wolves” is a documentary too. Did the Israeli commandoes shoot the peaceniks to harvest their organs? Is that part of your story?
    This is like arguing about the Jewish question with somebody whose entire view of the world comes from 1930s German newsreels.
    jdledell, disproportion on this scale is anti-Semitism. Look at the videotapes dismissed – the IHH types cutting up the railings to make bars, the commandoes being beaten as they rappelled down, the IHH jihadis chanting about killing the Jews of Khaibar as they left port.
    Look at the holes in the story – no explanation of why the Israelis would shoot innocent peaceniks on only one ship out of six. No explanation of what possible motive Israel could have to shoot anybody, as if they needed the incident. No explanation of how so many Israeli commandos got wounded. No mention that the Israelis were armed with paintguns and their sidearms, expecting crowd control. No mention that running a blockade is an act of war. And the peace-loving left does it all in support of the Islamo-fascists of Hamas!
    Wake up and notice who you are in bed with, jd. Even harsh criticism of Israeli policy was left behind long ago here.

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  27. Paul Norheim says:

    Don, I have to say that I still find it hard to believe that the
    particular melody I linked to – “Memories of Tomorrow” – just
    “came to him” when he started to play. But the rest of the concert
    – yes.

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  28. Warren Metzler says:

    “Punjab’s late governor, Salman Taseer, gunned down last week by a member of the provincial government’s Elite Police security unit, was as close to being indispensable to assuring Pakistan’s evolution to a democratic and secular state as anyone in that nation.” This statement by Harlan Ullman, the man who invented shock and awe, shows how the status quo lives in a world of permanent delusion. Salman Taseer was a close associate of President Asif Ali Zardari, a thug and a crook if there ever was one. A man who many in Pakistan believe may have been responsible for the assassination of his own wife (Benazir Bhutto). So to call Taseer a means to bring Pakitan to a democratic secular state is worthy of a USSR prize for proficient state propaganda.
    Pakistan was begun solely and only because a megalomaniac, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, a major dictatorial elitist thug had an intense desire to be king; and worked tirelessly to sabotage Ghandi’s work for a peaceful independence from England.
    So a country born out of violence lives constantly with violence. The politicians are mainly rich land owners, including Bhutto, who although they are western educated, and learn the “liberal, enlightened western lingo” are stone cold fascist imperialists, who use their political powers to enlarger their already vast money holdings. And almost never do substantial works to change that predominately feudal country to one where most of its citizens are educated literate, and hungry for personal freedom and autonomy.
    Until there arises non-ruling class enlightened non-corrupt political leaders, that country is doomed to live a feudal, repeatedly violent, life; very fertile ground for absurd jihadist promotion.
    For Nadine. You have proven once and for all you are incapable of a single rational non-biased concept.
    “How many times have we heard about how Israel murdered unarmed peaceniks on the Mavi Marmara? irrespective of video showing the “peaceniks” beating Israelis with iron bars as they landed on deck? or the wounds of said Israelis, or the strangeness of Israel deciding to “murder unarmed peaceniks” on one ship of six, leaving the other five unaccountably alone? This is the modern, approved, leftist form of blood libel. And I never heard you say ‘boo’ about it.”
    There is overwhelming evidence that Israel’s troops fired live ammunition before they landed; that all those they killed were shot by Israeli troops at close range, often shot multiple times (fascinating how they all happened to be Turks); that much personal property was stolen by Israeli troops, and never returned; that all satellite phone communication from ship to the rest of the world was blocked by Israeli deliberate technical actions (why would they want to stop the rest of the world from seeing their peaceful “most moral army in the world” actions?); that the videos you referenced were edited (deliberately falsely) by Israel personnel from footage stolen from the ships residents; that almost all passingers, on all six ships, were keep in inhumane positions for hours and painful handcuffs (between the Israeli troops landing and docking in Israel), being told to urinate and defecate in their clothes; etc. And you call protesting such actions “blood libel”. Are you not aware that Yahweh sees all, and gives major limitations to all who deliberately lie (“thou shalt not bear false witness”)?
    Is there no level of shame to which you will not shrink in your mission to misinform the world about Israel’s real intentions and actual behaviors.

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  29. DonS says:

    Hey, Paul. When first heard Koln Concert, or most any Jarret, perhaps 30 years ago or so, I could hardly believe it was improvised, not scored.

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  30. Dan Kervick says:

    One click away from Susana Baca:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1orreicjE8

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  31. sanitychecker says:

    For nadine:
    one click away from albert lee:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PscAZyOMGiA
    and one from charles mingus:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjFtU0zEsWc&feature=related

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  32. Paul Norheim says:

    Speaking of Tunisia: the things we hear sound promising so
    far. This is from NYT today:
    “TUNIS

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  33. Neo Controll says:

    This is just the last example of absurdly false accusations that
    has convinced me that having any sort of dialogue with
    “nadine” makes no sense. (Paul N)
    A propagandist is a propagandist is a propagandist.
    Cold, ruthless, machine. Single minded focus. In the olden days of the net = “don’t feed the troll”. But this breed doesn’t care because it simply exists to counter whatever it dislikes . . . and propagate noise.

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  34. jdledelll says:

    Nadine – The conflict over Kashmir has been going on since the British left. As I’m sure you are aware when the division of India and Pakistan occurred, the UN mandated that a plebicite be held in Kashmir to determine it’s ultimate fate. India has refused to allow that plebicite for the last 62 years. The reason being the vast majority(almost 80%) of the residents are muslim and there is no doubt about their wishes.
    This has absolutely NOTHING to do with muslims attitudes towards non-muslims in border disputes. Kashmir deserves a vote on who will govern their people as PROMISED!
    On another subject, you too freely throw around accusations of anti-semetism. Yes, there is some of that present in some of the comments but mostly it is merely criticism of Israel. Disproportinate criticism of Israel vs other countries is not anti-semetism. It merely reflects a concentration of interest. For example, about 80% of my reading and commenting is about Israel. Does that make me an anti-semite or self-hating Jew?
    I would say that your viceral hatred of arabs and muslims that you have expressed on this blog exceeds any hatred of Jews expressed by other commentators.

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  35. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Like I said, it stinks in here.
    My earlier regretful feeling of having wasted so much time here seems intuitive, considering the all too familiar stench that Nadine and Pearlman have injected into yet one more thread.
    Fuck ’em. I for one will no longer participate. Participation simply enables their efforts.
    Van Gogh, Blue Whales, or one of Albert Lee’s hot licks are just a click away. Lets see, eenie meebnie miney moe, the fuckin’ bigoted piece of shit witch Nadine, or something worthwhile and uplifting? I must be daft to have chosen the former for so long.
    This blog has contracted a disease, and hanging out here definitely ain’t part of the cure.

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  36. Paul Norheim says:

    “nadine”:
    I abhor your confrontational modus operandi, your false
    accusations, your partisan paranoia; and I’m sick of your tireless
    insistence on the same points that you have repeated here ad
    nauseam for the last couple of years. I am not willing to get
    involved in your ways of framing the discussions, so forget it.
    Boo. Boo.

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  37. nadine says:

    Norheim, the level of anti-Semitism that rises to rebuke on TWN practically has to match that offered by Ahmedinejad, and even then, you have to use the word “Jew”.
    Merely substitute the word “Zionist” or “Israel” for “Jew,” and you can repeat Ahmedinejad or Nasrallah or Hamas verbatim and several habitually unrebuked posters do.
    How many times have we heard about how Israel murdered unarmed peaceniks on the Mavi Marmara? irrespective of video showing the “peaceniks” beating Israelis with iron bars as they landed on deck? or the wounds of said Israelis, or the strangeness of Israel deciding to “murder unarmed peaceniks” on one ship of six, leaving the other five unaccountably alone? This is the modern, approved, leftist form of blood libel. And I never heard you say ‘boo’ about it.

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  38. Paul Norheim says:

    “Nadine”:
    If you had read my frequent comments here during the last
    three years strongly criticizing other commenters for anti-
    Semitic remarks, you would not have characterized me as being
    “wildly insensitive to anti-Semitism”.
    If you are identical with the one who has posted here for two
    years under the name “nadine”, your comment is absurd.
    As a matter of fact, in the past, “nadine” has occasionally even
    credited me for criticizing anti-Semitic remarks on this blog.
    This is just the last example of absurdly false accusations that
    has convinced me that having any sort of dialogue with
    “nadine” makes no sense.

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  39. nadine says:

    Norheim, not everybody is as wildly insensitive to anti-Semitism as you are. In fact, some people still quaintly resent ascribing all the worlds’ ills and simmering conflicts to Israel and/or the Jews. Sorry if this offends you, but I suggest you learn to deal with it. I know you don’t have this problem with the Norwegian media, but in America it’s different.

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  40. cheneyourself says:

    Bill. nadine.
    The stupid, it burns.
    Or, as has been suggested a number of times. If you are so dissatisfied, get your own blog.

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  41. Paul Norheim says:

    Pearlman:
    count me among those fed up with your unpleasantly resentful,
    sour and accusatory tone. Do you have anything constructive to
    add about Tunisia? Or anything else for that matter?
    No one is stopping you.
    Do I have to remind you that this is Steve Clemons’ blog? He
    hasn’t written any posts here for one week. Do you know why?
    Neither do I. Has it occurred to you that he has a professional
    and private life, and that TWN is something he does in addition
    to his other responsibilities?
    So why don’t you try to write something interesting, instead of
    these countless bitter posts claiming that everybody is biased
    against the Jews?
    Perhaps something about the recent events in Tunisia?
    Or does that not interest you either, since neither anti-
    Semitism nor “Islamo-fascism” plays an essential role in those
    events?

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  42. nadine says:

    So, sanitychecker, what’s the big hitch with settling Kashmir? Unsolved since 1948 there also. Not a Jew in sight, there.

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  43. sanitychecker says:

    Nadine writes: “Basically, it’s very difficult for self-defined Muslim countries to be rational about border disputes with non-Muslims”
    You should be more tolerant, Nadine, since you know first-hand how difficult it is for a self-defined Jewish country to be rational about border disputes with non-Jews.

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  44. nadine says:

    “I believe India and Pakistan both covet Kashmir because of the headwaters of major rivers and if this can be addressed amicably, they can come to agreement.”
    Dirk, Kashmir is practically Pakistan’s raison d’etre. They fought two wars over it. They are not rational about it, so it will never be addressed rationally.
    Basically, it’s very difficult for self-defined Muslim countries to be rational about border disputes with non-Muslims. Allah told them it’s their duty to crush the infidel! What they can do, is knuckle under to forces too great for them to master. IOW, the situation can become a stalemate. Getting Muslim countries to acknowledge the stalemate as legitimate by signing a treaty, that is much harder.

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  45. JohnH says:

    It’s amazing, given all the American pressure on Pakistan, that the government has still not disintegrated. If I we’re a betting man, I would have bet that Pakistan would have blown long before Tunisia, resulting in chaos–probably the US’ desired endgame there, for whatever perverse reason.
    If US policy makers don’t want chaos in Pakistan, they should take a serious look at the tensions and polarization their policies are exacerbating. But I doubt that this will happen, chaos, like in Iraq, apparently being the preferred solution.

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  46. jonst says:

    “…..the current Pakistani government will [always] fall. And if it does it will, ‘always threaten someone less friendly to the US. And so we must get involved. Always.
    I’m with Carroll…let it all fall. I don’t give a damn. There is nothing the Empire can do there that will be helpful. No matter what our intention. I wish we could just get that through our thick skulls. But somehow, I think for some, it would not be profitable, or beneficial to one’s professional plans, to ‘get it through their thick skulls’

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  47. copy writing says:

    I think we will never know the truth or reality of the facts and events were there!

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  48. Dirk says:

    “Even in a conspiracy obsessed nation such as Pakistan, the political overtones of this assassination mandate a high level and immediate investigation as the security detail was approved and selected by the elected government and not by the presidentially appointed governor who were from opposing political parties.”
    I’m not sure what you’re referring to here; Salman Taseer was a member of the PPP (Pakistan Peoples Party) as was President Asif Ali Zardari and the elected Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani.
    I read some 2 years ago that Pakistan has already lost 5000 soldiers in battling Al Qaeda and the Pakistan Taliban in Swat, South Waziristan and some other Pakistani Provinces. For the Army to go into North Waziristan would mean that they’ve consolidated their existing gains in other provinces and have garnered a measure of support from the Pakistani populace for further attacks. I’m not sure that has happened yet.
    I agree with a proposition that you didn’t make: that no country should abide no-go areas such as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. Sadly this is a consequence of British colonial rule designed to divide and conquer, which has done neither to the Pashtun people.
    Taseer’s prescription for economic and political relief by reducing tariffs on Pakistani textiles would be a major step in the right direction. Talks on Kashmir between India and Pakistan that would lead to potential independence would be a major stress relief. I have many Indian friends but I can’t see their side on this issue.
    I believe India and Pakistan both covet Kashmir because of the headwaters of major rivers and if this can be addressed amicably, they can come to agreement.

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  49. Carroll says:

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1882129,00.html
    Nawaz Sharif may not be US friendly but he sure is popular in Pakistan….he’s gone thru the revolving door about a dozen times.

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  50. Carroll says:

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1882129,00.html
    Nawaz Sharif may not be US friendly but he sure is popular in Pakistan….he’s gone thru the revolving door about a dozen times.

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  51. fred says:

    sanitychecker, Jan 15 2011, 8:23PM — sounds fair and reasonable. Let him defend himself in the world courts. But of course “truth and justice” left the American way a long time back. So characters like this get a free ‘get out of jail’ card and continue peddling their killing machine mentality. Shareholders rejoice!

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  52. sanitychecker says:

    Harlan Ullman is a terrorist, even using the most conservative definition of the word. Shock-and-Awe was intended to paralyze, terrorize, and force into submission an entire population. It targeted the water supply system, the electrical grid, roads and communications, all means of survival.
    Last but not least, Shock-and-Awe killed more civilians than on 9/11. By the US army’s definition of a terrorist, Harlan Ullman is a terrorist.
    Of course, the usual idiots on this site will rush to the guy’s defense, saying that he is not really a terrorist, or he was a terrorist for a good cause. No, he was not. The Iraq war was illegal. Harlan Ullman should be tried like Milosevic in the Hague and not allowed to prance around on a respectable political site.
    This is a new low.

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  53. cheneyourself says:

    “No major Christian denomination supports bombing clinics”, just the radical, right wing, fringe groups that Nadine recently argued were not at all fringes. They give it the wink and nod treatment; had it coming. The western equivalent of rose petals with their powerful quasi-immans, the O’Reillys, the Randall Terrys, inciting the violence. The same right wing christiansts that support hate, violence, and treatment of palestinians as sub human.

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  54. nadine says:

    Considering that Taseer’s assassin is being lionized as a hero and scattered with rose petals when he enters court, it’s fair to ask which side in Pakistan has the majority view of Islam: Taseer’s or his assassin’s?
    It’s all very well to sit in the West and insist that the assassin has a “distorted” view of Islam, but if the majority of Pakistan agrees with him, couldn’t you say it’s the peaceful interpreters of the religion who have the “distorted” views of Islam?
    The attempt to draw an equivalence between fanatic violence of Jews and Christians and Muslims grows more ludicrous every year, but I notice that doesn’t stop those who practice it, who just “know” that “every religion has its dark side.”
    Well, it’s a lot more visible and mainstream in some religions than in others. No major Christian denomination supports bombing clinics; no major branch of Judaism supported assassinating Rabin, which shocked and horrified Israel; you can count such incidents on the fingers of one hand; but major Muslim imams who count their followers in the millions do support suicide-bombing and jihad against the infidel, which is a pillar of Islam.
    The number of Islamist bombings and suicide attacks and attacks on Jews or Christians or those support the rights of Christians, like Taseer, is in the 10s of thousands and climbing daily.
    So far from condemning such attacks, the most prestigious Muslim authorities are backing them up. Barry Rubin notes a new fatwa from Cairo’s Al-Azhar giving jihadists a wide hunting license:
    “An extraordinarily important fatwa has been issued by Dr. Imad Mustafa, the professor on that subject at al-Azhar University, the world’s most important Islamic university. He began by stating the well-known doctrine of

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  55. Carroll says:

    “Make no mistake: without these actions, the current Pakistani government will fall. The opposition, headed by Nawaz Sharif, is no friend of the United States or our Afghan policy.”
    Well in that case, let it fall…maybe that will help get us out of Afghan.

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  56. Carroll says:

    “….does the United States and the West wish to succeed or not in bringing stability to the region? If the answer is yes, then real action must be taken.”
    Wasn’t Ullman the original “Shock and Awe” creator for Iraq? I believe he was.
    I say thumbs down on this suggestion.
    But if Ullman wants to take ‘real action’ he could go to China and take out a loan on his own for this project…just keep it seperate from the 900 billion the US already owes them.
    We have meddled long enough and produced nothing but more trouble.

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  57. DonS says:

    The choices outlined here sound critical.
    One wonders, in view of the strategic importance of Pakistan, whether US support must come at the price of tracking with a US Afghan “policy” that many think is flawed beyond belief; and whether such “policy” as the US cobbles together on the fly is crucial to supporting the kind of growth Ullman outlines as important for Pakistan in the long term, or only because we say it is?
    Perhaps we need to be willing to admit that the US helping Pakistan struggle through as an imperfect democracy is in the US interest as well. I’m not willing to accept that doing so means our failed, flawed and corruption-supporting Afghan “policy” cannot be severed from the equation. But that would require thinking outside the geostrategic box of the massive intellects that got and keep us in the escalating Afghan mess.
    By raising the question of how critical North Waziristan is to the [current US vision of] “success” in Afghanistan, and then prescribing many billions in materiale needed for Pakistan to pursue that theater, if they will, why do I get the impression Ullman has already answered the question for himself?

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