Russ Feingold Tells the FISA Story in 30 seconds

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This is just a great clip on what it’s all about. To paraphrase Russ Feingold, it’s about the end of liberty. . .

Thanks to Matt Stoller for sending.
— Steve Clemons

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21 comments on “Russ Feingold Tells the FISA Story in 30 seconds

  1. Mr.Murder says:

    Trust, but verify.
    That should be Sen.Feingold’s response.

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  2. shortgirlkk says:

    He can talk all he wants. He could have put a hold on this bill in August and we wouldn’t be here right now. He is no hero to me. My disappointment in August is why I’m no longer a registered Democrat.

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  3. shortgirlkk says:

    He can talk all he wants. He could have put a hold on this bill in August and we wouldn’t be here right now. He is no hero to me. My disappointment in August is why I’m no longer a registered Democrat.

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  4. TonyForesta says:

    Spooky speak Dickstaters. It really does reduce to trust. Do we trust the Bush government to advance and defend the peoples bests interests? No!
    “Deliver us from evil!”

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  5. Saul B. Wilen says:

    There is still time for Senators like Russ Finegold to mount a REAL filibuster and stop the present “Domestic Spying Law” from passing or being extended. The present bad law from August expires Feb. 1. The new version being debated is worse and further guts the Constitution and America’s Democracy. A filibuster by the Democrats (even if it’s only one Senator with courage) can make this happen. A new law that balances the rights of Americans with the security needs of America can be written and passed.
    President Bush is depending on this new law to shield him and his administration, and the telecommunications companies from any prosecution for their past illegal actions. Their motivations are clearly that simple. TELL YOUR SENATORS THAT AMERICANS WILL NOT TOLERATE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND ILLEGAL ACTS. TELL YOUR SENATOR TO FILIBUSTER THIS “DOMESTIC SPYING LAW.”

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  6. DicksTaters says:

    I have been saying this for some time. I even sent MrFeingold’s office my take on this. I help run email systems, and a lot of email is from offshore…malaysian and indonesian webhosts, russian spam, canadian webhosting, etc.
    All that stuff crosses our electronic borders, even if the recipient and sender are both in the US. If you use Hotmail or Gmail or YahooMail…not only can they sniff down your traffic but Google or Yahoo or Microsoft may just hand over your complete dossier.
    Any phone number that touches an international phone line or email that crossed an electronic border gives boooshco the right to raid ALL your communications….based on their own admissions.

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  7. Bartman says:

    Just last night on the News Hour they trotted out the old saw, “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” and it got a big laugh, as usual.
    What is it about our frightened electorate that makes them swallow their laughter when it comes to trusting the government to spy on all of us?

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  8. r€nato says:

    I remember a time when Republicans were the ones who said you should never trust the government.
    Of course, that all changed on Jan. 20, 2001. And it will change back to the old song on Jan. 20, 2009 when Hillary or Obama is inaugurated.

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  9. Noam Sane says:

    But – when has power ever been abused? C’mon. It NEVER happens.
    Hasn’t George Bush earned our trust?

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  10. AJM says:

    “So Democratic audiences are often surprised when I tell them that I don’t consider George Bush a bad man, and that I assume he and members of his adminstration are trying to do what they think is best for the country. …. I say this not because I am seduced by proximity to power. I see
    my invitations to the White House for what they are- …. It is to say that after all the trappings of office — the titles, the staff, the security details — are stripped away, I find the President and those who surround him pretty much like everybody else, possessed of the same mix of virtues and vices, insecurities and long-buried injuries, as the rest of us.”
    Speak for yourself Senator Obama. I do not share your judgment. The quotes is from page 48 of Obama’s Audacity of Hope published 2006. By that point there was more than ample evidence for declaring that the problems with the Bush administration were far more serious than that.

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  11. Don says:

    It looks like Reid will eventually support telecomm immunity. With endless commentary about the this issue I’ve yet to read anything that tries to explain Reid’s motive for doing so. Does anyone have an opinion what his reasoning could possibly be?

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  12. Don says:

    It looks like Reid will eventually support telecomm immunity. With endless commentary about the this issue I’ve yet to read anything that tries to explain Reid’s motive for doing so. Does anyone have an opinion what his reasoning could possibly be?

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  13. liz says:

    I agree with the Senator that this legislation is crazy. But our government is way beyond out of control.
    Our domestic issues and problems are also mounting. Did you know Social Security refuses to honor their own court awards? They are the only group in the country that refuses to honor them!! How much sense does that make?
    It has become so hard and difficult for me to simply survive living in America as a sick and disabled person, no one would begin to be able to understand.
    And after I go through absolute hell as a sick person courtesy of my ELECTED government , OF BY and FOR the people, then they want to listen to my phone calls and read my emails.
    Impeach these criminals and get on with it.

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  14. TonyForesta says:

    Hell will freeze, before I trust one word pimped by anyone in, beholden to, or anyone aiding and abetting, supporting, defending, or excusing the fascists in the Bush government. We live, – or we once lived – by laws. Niether the president, nor the vp are kings. The executive cannot excuse or refuse the involvment of congress in the making of our laws.
    Riddle me this realists? Do you trust the fascists in the Bush government to target only jihadi’s, and not also include in the system datamining, and spying on your fellow AMERICANS!!!!!! AMERICANS!!!!!!!, those who are most certainly NOT jihadist, and who love and cherish America, – but who repudiate the reject the fascist policies and tyrannical machinations of the fascists in the Bush government?
    These criminal activities and unconstitutional intrusions into the peoples lives are meant for us. It is not jihadis the Bush government seeks to spy on, but Americans who dare to question, dissent with, or oppose the fascists in the Bush government.
    This “us”, being your fellow Americans oppossing, questioning, or dissenting with the fascists in the Bush government are the targets of these programs and eventually any America not marching in lockstep unison with the fascists in the Bush government will be spyed on, monitored, and virtually enslaved. Yeah, we will be free to walk to the Burger King, but a thousand eyes will watch us, and dissenters and opposition voices will be disappeared.
    “They are sent here to bind and rivet upon us the chains, the Bush government has been so long forging”
    Why would our president and vp not want thier warrants and operations signed by a judge and sanctioned as legal? Why are the laws already in place not sufficient to protect Americans from the jihadists? Jihadists live and caves, have freakish relations with eachother, and cloven farm animals. They have no air power, they have no sea power, they have no WMD. Are jihadists that scary? I don’t think so. I do not trust or believe one syllable the Bush government fascists pimp or spew.
    I challenge anyone here to offer any true statement by the commander in chief.
    The fascists in the Bush government pimp the Hegelian nightmare of defeating an existential threat, created by and complicit with the fascists in the Bush government.
    First, jihdast command and control is centered in the Pakistan/Afghanistan border, and the untamed netherreaches of Warzhiristan, and financially in Saudi Arabia, – and NOT Iraq. The longer Americans succumb to this ridiculous fiction, and the deceptive proselytizing of Iraq as central front of the socalled neverendingwaronterror, to cloak the wanton profiteering ongoing in Iraq – the longer we ignore, and avoid the real central front of the socalled neverendingwaronterror reanimating in Wazirhistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. Iraq is a catastrophic waste of blood, treasure, credibility, and strategic capability. Nothing good will ever come from Iraq for Americans. The fascists in the Bush government will continue the wanton profiteering, and reap obscene fortunes individually, – but Americans will not benefit in any way from the horrors and fascists machinations of Iraq. Iraq is, was, and always will be a crime scene, and realists can whine and chirp about civility if they so desire, – but crimes were committed. Billions of the peoples dollars plundered. Thousands of our valiant young women and men sacrificed on the field, and multiple thousands injured and maimed for a war sold and mass marketed on Bush government concocted fictions, exaggerations, dodgey sources, and patent lies. Unknown, unknown multiple hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi’s slaughtered, maimed, millions displaced. Hundreds of Billions of the peoples dollars allotted with no accounting, no estimates, and noendinsight.
    Where does all the peoples money go?
    CRIMES were done.
    Is the office of the executive accountable to no one?!!!!!!!!!!
    The people have the right to “…petition the government for redress of grievances”, and we demand accountability.
    “Deliver us from evil!”

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  15. Carroll says:

    Check out Glen Greenwald at salon…he has been doing the the whole story on Reid and Rockerfeller and FISA….I should say raking them them over the coals…anyway forget Reid he won’t be any help.

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  16. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Subject: FISA Action Page: It’s Time For A Majority Leader Who Is More Than A Gutless Supplicant
    Date: Jan 25, 2008 3:16 PM
    Yesterday Harry Reid again brought forward the version of the FISA
    bill containing a provision for telecom immunity for their criminal
    complicity in illegal wiretaps of American citizens. Sure we need to
    win another filibuster, but we also need a stronger message. Reid
    must go.
    What part of exercising power doesn’t Harry Reid get? The Washington
    Post reports him “pleading” with the White House. And yet, it is his
    decision which version of the FISA bill to have the Senate consider,
    and by choosing to bring forward the bad one, he is knowingly forcing
    opponents of yet another “get out of jail free card” for Cheney
    cronies to get 60 votes to strip it out of the bill. Or filibuster
    yet again.
    Step Down Harry Action Page:
    http://www.usalone.com/step_down_harry.php (anyone can use this link)
    Facebook Version:
    http://apps.facebook.com/fb_voices/action.php?qnum=pnum784 (for this
    link must be a member of Facebook and logged in)
    This is the last straw. Time and again he has abdicated his
    leadership, claiming he is “personally” opposed to things, while
    collaborating to stack the deck in favor of the other side of the
    policy issue. Reid has got to go.
    And call them on the phone too. Here are the tested toll free
    numbers, 800 828-0498, 800 614 2803 and 866 340 9281. And there is a
    local phone number lookup on the regular action page above to get you
    all the local district phone numbers.
    OK, those are the basics. Now it’s time for us to breathe some fire
    of our own.
    And please keep in mind, as with all our action pages, no words will
    be sent on your behalf to your members of Congress, neither from this
    alert nor on the action page itself, but the stated subject line,
    “Reid Must Step Down As Majority Leader Over His Telecome Immunity
    Surrender”, and your additional personal comments if any.
    The word feeble does not even begin to describe how ineffective Reid
    has been as majority so-called leader in representing the interests
    of the people. A leader does not repeatedly tell his caucus they are
    on their own, while working behind the scenes to cripple any real
    opposition. And in so doing, he has done nothing but grease the
    neocon agenda for as far back as the eye to see. For them he has been
    as very effective, as a co-conspirator.
    He gave his private blessing to the Gang of 14 that stuck us with two
    additional lockdown reactionary votes on the Supreme Court for the
    next generation. And it goes downhill from there. More recently his
    unilateral caving in has stuck us with an evil White House con job
    dubbed “The Surge”, the sole purpose of which was to drag out the
    death and destruction in Iraq at least another 2 years.
    On the few occasions there have been successful filibusters under his
    rudderless non-leadership he has actually publicly apologized for it,
    like when we practically prostrated himself on the rejection of the
    John Bolton nomination, promising to cave yet again if they would
    just provide a couple extra redacted documents pretty please. We’re
    surprised that Dick Cheney doesn’t make him wear a flowered dress
    with little pink bows on the Senate floor.
    Is he the Senate majority leader or is he a mouse? Reid makes Neville
    Chamberlain look like Richard the Lion Hearted. He is long overdue to
    be put out to pasture, hopefully one without gophers that might
    accidentally frighten him.
    So again, none of these words of ours will go to your member of
    Congress, unless you choose to paste some of them in as part of your
    own personal comments on the action page.
    Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed
    to be ours, and forward this alert as widely as possible.

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  17. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Let’s hope Reid and a few other(Rockerfeller, in particular) “let’s bargain” Democrats don’t decide to cave in so they can go home for Super Tuesday.”
    You aren’t payin’ attention. The cowardly piece of garbage Reid has ALREADY caved in. Long ago. If you think he will stick to his guns on this one, you are woefully delusional.

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  18. Dennis says:

    I have watched the Senate today dealing with this matter. The Republicans continue to skew the facts.
    WAIT!, change that. LIE is the operate word.
    Let’s hope Reid and a few other(Rockerfeller, in particular) “let’s bargain” Democrats don’t decide to cave in so they can go home for Super Tuesday.
    Let’s hope they will hold out for “no immunity” for the spying committed prior to 9/11/01 by the Bush administration.
    The Republican push for such immunity is more to protect Bush, et.al., than anything else.
    You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

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  19. ... says:

    one definitely can’t trust reid or pelosi either.. they just gave these criminals another 15 day extension instead of holding their fingers on the jet.. see emptywheel for the details.
    http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/

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  20. Ray says:

    Russ tells it like it is…he’s been doing it for some time now. I would have loved for him to run for president, but he’s too busy doing this important work. I too have been very impressed with all the hard work that Chris Dodd has done on this as well, but I tell you what…for my money…hands down this is the hardest working, most committed member of the Senate and thankfully he’s on the side of liberty and the constitution. Hang tough Russ!!!!! Keep up the good work…don’t give up or give in…even if they have to drag you kicking and screaming from the chamber! Oh…and I’m sure Russ will be chiming in on GWB’s latest signing statement concerning Iraq…no permanent bases my ass! The signing statement pretty much guarantees the Bush this right…I’m telling you…as a nation we don’t want to see this President backed into a corner in the little time he’s got left in office. Keep fighting for us Russ Feingold!!!

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  21. Skulz Fontaine says:

    “Trust us.” Yeah right, sure sure. Sen. Feingold has hit the old proverbial nail on the head. America CANNOT trust the government and that’s the problem. We can’t trust our insane boy king, we can’t trust his mentor ‘shotgun’ Cheney, we can’t trust the House, we can’t trust the Senate, and we sure as hell can’t trust the established ‘Fourth Estate” to be straight up with the American people. Where are Americans supposed to turn for answers? To Hillary? To McCain? 935 stinking lies to run up the Iraq quagmire turned genocide. Or should that be the other way around? 935 treasonous lies! Lies about 9/11 and lies about Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans and lies about our service boys and girls killed and worse in Iraq and why in HELL should we “trust” our corrupt government for anything! Maybe it’s high time to break out the tar and feathers.

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