Open Thread: Nashville and Birmingham Foreign Policy Gatherings

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Greetings folks. I’ve been giving talks in Nashville, Tennessee (yesterday) and Birmingham, Alabama today — primarily for the respective Committees on Foreign Relations in these cities.
More later on that — have to run. But will be back with the latest on John Bolton, the President’s speech at the UN General Assembly, gaming with Iran, and the resurgence of interest in the Palestine/Israel two-state process.
— Steve Clemons

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31 comments on “Open Thread: Nashville and Birmingham Foreign Policy Gatherings

  1. Bush Sucks says:

    Look here, all you doubters of government complicity to 9/11, how can you sit on your asses and just blindly accept what Bushco. tells you about 9/11 when it is so obviously filled with lies, distortions and omissions? Here are people who BLATANTLY LIED to go to WAR…THE IRAQI DEATH TOLL IS OVER 650,000…Their own PNAC document called for “A New Pearl Harbor”, and they’ve used 9/11 to completely dismantle the constitution…but they had nothing to do with it? How fucking blind can you be??!!

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  2. Fuck Bush / Cheney / Neocons says:

    Look here, all you doubters of government complicity to 9/11, how can you sit on your asses and just blindly accept what Bushco. tells you about 9/11 when it is so obviously filled with lies, distortions and omissions? Here are people who BLATANTLY LIED to go to WAR…THE IRAQI DEATH TOLL IS OVER 650,000…Their own PNAC document called for “A New Pearl Harbor”, and they’ve used 9/11 to completely dismantle the constitution…but they had nothing to do with it? How fucking blind can you be??!!

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  3. Fuck Bush / Cheney / Neocons says:

    Look here, all you doubters of government complicity to 9/11, how can you sit on your asses and just blindly accept what Bushco. tells you about 9/11 when it is so obviously filled with lies, distortions and omissions? Here are people who BLATANTLY LIED to go to WAR…THE IRAQI DEATH TOLL IS OVER 650,000…Their own PNAC document called for “A New Pearl Harbor”, and they’ve used 9/11 to completely dismantle the constitution…but they had nothing to do with it? How fucking blind can you be??!!

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  5. MP says:

    Ah, crap, why am I wasting my time with this. For the record, the physics is not as trivial as implied above.
    Posted by gq at September 21, 2006 10:38 PM
    Thanks, gq, for posting this. I, for one, will read it. I’m not a physicist, so I’m very interested in being informed. Informing folks is probably the biggest reason for blogs like this to exist. And I thank you for taking the time and going to the effort to help others (me) understand the issues better.

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  6. Pissed Off American says:

    You musta missed “Jurasic Park”, eh Karen?? Voila, right before your very eyes, dinosaurs.
    I guess your point is that…..
    “Yeah, the Bush Administration mighta ignored warnings about the 9/11 crime about to occur, and they might be lying about certain aspects of the crime, but hey, they would neeeever fabricate tapes to buttress their creation of the evil boogeyman that has allowed them to pursue their policies for over five years now”.
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape2.html
    The Fake 2004
    Bin Laden Video Tape

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  7. karenk says:

    POA: My only complaint was against those who try to say that Al Qaeda didn’t attack us with planes that day. I would never say the administration doesn’t lie, cause they do, but it was al Qaeda who attacked us and NO ONE ELSE.
    Here are your answers:
    –Over the years OBL has declared war on the US twice and his group has attacked us several times,through several US administrations, with each attack getting progressively worse.
    Al Qaeda committed 9/11 and they admitted they did it, tape after tape has come out with them, in various ways, telling people they did it. What’s more is they have every intention of doing it again and have also said this on tape after tape(they’ve released, what, 40 or so audio and video tapes since 9/11?-Or was someone else behind those???)
    –OBL himself has said that he put Mohammed Atta in charge of the operation, so how can it be questioned that Atta wasn’t part of al Qaeda?
    –Just because the hijackers may have been misidentified (don’t know if that’s true but I’ll go along and say it is), how does that prove they weren’t al Qaeda? Can anyone prove they were anything else? NO. And what about the people on the planes who spoke to family members
    on cell phones and described the hijackers? Or were they all in on it?
    –It seems that the physics theories regarding the building collapse are becoming the same as making claims about what the Bible says…you can read something into it, and I can read it right back out. I have heard many experts say that the collapse of the buildings was due to being struck by planes and the heat of the jet fuel causing the steel to buckle. How in the world would people clandestinely charge up those two buildings without anyone who wasn’t “in on it” knowing anything about it-far fetched.
    Now you don’t seem to realize(or at least don’t acknowledge) that the whole 9/11 Commission was started because 4 average American wives were desperate for answers(or as you say, THE TRUTH) from our government as to why their husbands died that day. As Kristin Breitweiser said on Larry King, they only did this because NO ONE ELSE WOULD. NO ONE.
    So my question to you, which I’ve asked before and have yet to get an answer to is,
    Where were all these people with other ideas/input as to what the truth was (like Griffin) then? And why didn’t they come forward? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT?
    I’m sure those women would have loved the help of these knowledgable people and perhaps the Commission would have been more effective.
    Or is it just more fun to keep complaining? I suppose some people like to be permanently pissed off.
    As I’ve said before,I believe IT IS WHAT IT IS and trying to get anything more out of it only distracts from the main issue: al Qaeda attacked us and they’re gonna do it again…it’s only a matter of time.
    Soooo we’ll just have to agree to disagree on it.

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  8. gq says:

    I guess my physics degree means that I should doubt that any possibility exists beyond the “controlled demolition” theory. I suppose my friends and colleagues, should also doubt it. Funny, I haven’t come across anyone who doubts it.
    I could argue possibilities all night, but here is a decent discussion by civil engineers from the university of sidney (non American)
    http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
    Ah, crap, why am I wasting my time with this. For the record, the physics is not as trivial as implied above.

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  9. MP says:

    “Physics doesn’t lie, MP. It is impossible for a building to experienced terminal velocity freefall unless the resistance under the falling mass is removed. And that isn’t even complicated science, MP.
    BTW, the only “axes” to grind here are the ones that feel the need to uphold the official story. Why in God’s name would a respected proffessor at BYU jeapordize his tenure to offer evidence that the official story is implausible? Can you please enlighten us as to what “axe” he had to grind??? Have you even bothered to read his paper? Do you know his history, and therefore are able to discern that he has “an axe to grind”??? Tell me, MP, who has the most motive to twist science, the framers of the 9/11 crime, (whether they set the stage through incompetance OR criminal complicity), or a respected proffesser at BYU???”
    Physics doesn’t lie, but I’m not a physicist and am in a poor position to judge the veracity of statements make by physicist. (Unless you’re one, or took a lot of physics, you’re in the same boat, even if you think you’re not.) If you post the link to BYU’s paper, I will read it. (I actually have read the others you’ve posted despite what you say.) There are all kinds of axes and all kinds of motivations with stories like this. I don’t make any assumptions about who has what motivation–it’s an interesting point and worth taking into consideration, but I don’t find it conclusive. For example, the Chertoff connection is VERY interesting, but it doesn’t mean that what the cuz had to say isn’t true. To me, this is commonsense, based on a lot of years of experience. The fact that you repeatedly argue about who has the motivation to lie and who doesn’t suggests to me that the basic argument–what should be the real argument–that is, what is physically possible, what actually happened, and who really did it–isn’t all that strong at this point.
    People surprise you for all sorts of reasons. So delving into motives, except in retrospect, when you already know the truth of what happened, is dicey. True, in court, motive is important. But that’s a situation where it’s possible to interrogate people at length and delve into their backgrounds, etc. Moreover, motive isn’t enough to prove the case. Lots of people have motive to kill who DON’T kill.
    Just for the record, I’m not grinding an axe for the official story. I THINK–and this is just where I am now with the story as I understand it THUS FAR–someone’s going to have to come forward and say, “I set the charges; this is how we did it. Here are the other people implicated in it.” Or an FBI agent will have to say, “Yeah, we knew it was going to happen, so that’s why we were there in droves in just minutes.” Or a security guy is going to have to come forward and say, “Yeah, we let these guys and they didn’t really look like cable guys; they were carrying charges.” Or something like this. A real smoking gun, not just eery coincidences.
    My problem with this theory is that it requires too many people to remain silent about (arguably) the worst crime in US history.

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  10. elementary teacher says:

    Needle in a Ney Stack III
    Background C:
    . Zayat’s money laundering reportedly coincided with BJ&A’s investigation of WMD money laundering and sanctions-busting activities in Switzerland, Cyprus, and the Isle of Man.
    . Ney’s links to the ME arms bazaar also provided the CIA with an important backchannel into Tehran, Damascus, and Baghdad — a backchannel not wanted by the neocons who were anxious to bomb all three capital cities.
    . Ney is said to have agreed to cooperate with Justice prosecutors in return for a sentence of 27 months in prison and a fine of $500,000.
    . FN Aviation’s chief lobbyists in the United States, people whose activities were of interest to Ney (and Brewster Jennings and the CIA) were Roy Coffee and David DiStefano, both of whom work for failed Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers’ old law firm, Locke Liddell & Sapp.
    Questions:
    C-1. Is it conceivable that Gonzales’ et al want to know how much Ney discovered about any links between GOP/ White House officials and:
    a) the arms smuggling business involving Iran, Iraq, and the Zayat, Abdul Qadeer (AQ) Khan
    and/or
    b) other hypothetical networks connected to neocon and Russian-Israeli Mafia activities?
    C-2. if C-1: By determining what Ney knows, will the neoconartists launch pre-emtpive damage control to sanitize any embarrassing revelations, prior to the November elections?

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  11. elementary teacher says:

    Needle in a Ney Stack II
    Background B:
    . al Zayat has an office in London, is known as a high-rolling gambler called “The Fat Man” in London gambling parlors.
    . The London gambling dens are known to act as major money laundering enterprises for arms smugglers and other mob activities.
    . FN Aviation’s British director, Nigel Winfield, a thrice-convicted felon, paid for Ney to take a three-day trip to London in February 2003, a month before the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
    Questions:
    B-1. Was Ney using the London arms network to determine whether neocon-supplied intelligence reports that Saddam Hussein possessed WMDs had any merit?
    B-2. If B-1: did Ney stumble across any incriminating evidence tying Bush administration officials, possibly including Vice President Dick Cheney, to the WMD proliferation network?
    B-3. If B-2: Was that the same intelligence discovered by covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson and her Brewster Jennings & Associates (BJ&A) network in their investigation of arms smuggling routes through Cyprus, South Africa, Turkey, and former Soviet Central Asian states?

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  12. elementary teacher says:

    Needle in a Ney Stack I:
    Background A:
    . Ney pled guilty to accepting casino chip bribes in return for getting an arms dealer:
    (1) a US Visa and (2) a sanctions waiver on the sale of US aircraft parts from his front company FN Aviation, via Cyprus, *to* Iran.
    Questions:
    A-1. Is it true that the DOJ, in its charges against Ney, failed to name the Syrian-born arms trader, Fouad al Zayat?
    A-2. If (A-1): would the further identification of Ney’s ME intermediaries somehow point to high-level corruption within the Bush Justice Department?
    A-3. If (A-2): was the corruption linked to a cover-up of the role of US & Russian Mafia state and/or non-state players in assisting the proliferation of WMD throughout the ME and South Asia?

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  13. elementary teacher says:

    A Different Perspective:
    For “official version” Q & A on this topic, see:
    http://tinyurl.com/pqrxt

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  14. elementary teacher says:

    Perspective:
    For the new 9/11 movie focusing on a controlled demolitions theory of the Twin Towers and Building 7, see:
    http://tinyurl.com/zu3s8

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  15. elementary chairs says:

    Perspectives:
    (1) For the new 9/11 movie focusing on the controlled demolitions theory of the Twin Towers and Building 7, see:
    http://tinyurl.com/zu3s8
    (2) For “official version” Q & A on this topic, see:
    http://tinyurl.com/pqrxt
    American citizens are asking challenging questions about one of the most important historical events in our lifetimes. I do believe that the US administration is becoming more nervous than a long-tailed cat in a roomful of rocking chairs.

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  16. Pissed Off American says:

    Well well, the Washington blade just fired Jeff Gannon. Poor guy. But hey, he can alays hit the White House up for his old job. After all, if refused, he can always go back to hooking, or reopen one of his pornography sites. Personally, I think if he is tired of just scraping by, he oughta write a book, a tell all. I’m dying to know whose desk he was bent over when he was doing sleepovers in the West Wing. Now THAT information would be one helluva an “October suprise”, wouldn’t it???
    Come on Jeffy boy, snitch on ’em.
    Rat ’em out, get rich.

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  17. Pissed Off American says:

    “Personally, I wouldn’t come to any firm conclusions about how WTC fell until I had heard from any number of engineering experts with no axes to grind.”
    Physics doesn’t lie, MP. It is impossible for a building to experienced terminal velocity freefall unless the resistance under the falling mass is removed. And that isn’t even complicated science, MP.
    BTW, the only “axes” to grind here are the ones that feel the need to uphold the official story. Why in God’s name would a respected proffessor at BYU jeapordize his tenure to offer evidence that the official story is implausible? Can you please enlighten us as to what “axe” he had to grind??? Have you even bothered to read his paper? Do you know his history, and therefore are able to discern that he has “an axe to grind”??? Tell me, MP, who has the most motive to twist science, the framers of the 9/11 crime, (whether they set the stage through incompetance OR criminal complicity), or a respected proffesser at BYU???

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  18. MP says:

    “The point of these experts is to construe any wierdness or lack of understanding in such a way to “prove” their desired outcome.”
    True…that’s what makes this kind of inquiry difficult…if you’re REALLY trying to find the truth of what happened.
    Experts can be corrupt, and an unquestioning reliance on experts can lead us astray.
    Moving in the opposite direction…an unquestioning dismissal of experts…is equally bad.
    Personally, I wouldn’t come to any firm conclusions about how WTC fell until I had heard from any number of engineering experts with no axes to grind.
    Strange coincidences just don’t constitute proof when you’re asking why did this massive building fall. IMO

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  19. gq says:

    You have experts disagreeing based on their professional assessments of the evidence, such as it is. There are a number of plausible “stories” of what happened–the question is, what DID happen and how can you prove it?
    You also have “experts” who claimed to have “proved” the veracity of Intelligent Design. You have “experts” who believe that global warming is a myth. You have “experts” who claimed that Iraq had an active nuclear weapons program. The point of these experts is to construe any wierdness or lack of understanding in such a way to “prove” their desired outcome.

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  20. MP says:

    “And, BTW, the science behind the concept of unimpeded freefall, as it applies to the collapse of a building, is not beyond the understanding of a lay person. When one section of a building pancakes onto the section below it, the impact slows the collapse, and deflects the forces outwards away from the footprint of the building. It is basic physics.”
    It may not be beyond the understanding of a lay person per se, but evaluating the credibility of the claim is beyond the layperson. I certainly have no way of agreeing or disagreeing with your statement beyond quoting sources that I might read. I would turn to demo experts, engineers, physicists to evaluate the claim. If 99 out of 100 say, “yes, the official explanation is impossible,” then that gives some weight to the assertion. But they would also have to say that they are 95% convinced that “controlled demolition” was the way it happened. Or some other way was the way it happened. But if only one in ten experts is willing to seriously dispute the pancaking of the stories, then I think you have a different situation. You have experts disagreeing based on their professional assessments of the evidence, such as it is. There are a number of plausible “stories” of what happened–the question is, what DID happen and how can you prove it?

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  21. Pissed Off American says:

    Karen K, you are willing to accept the military exercises, and their close parrallel to actual events, occurring on the same day, as pure coincidence. Obviously YOU are a hopeless conspiracy theorist.
    And because Griffin does not offer an alterior theory to the official explanation, you feel comfortable telling us what Griffin is thinking? Oh please, stop with the Red Herrings. Just because Griffin can articulate clearly the reasons that the official explanation is implausible does not mean that Griffin has the answers to what actually occurred.
    And, BTW, the science behind the concept of unimpeded freefall, as it applies to the collapse of a building, is not beyond the understanding of a lay person. When one section of a building pancakes onto the section below it, the impact slows the collapse, and deflects the forces outwards away from the footprint of the building. It is basic physics. But if I say the collapse, as explained, is scientifically impossible, and you rebut with “You are saying Al Qaeda didn’t do it”, than you are merely avoiding responding to that that you cannot rebut.
    In reality, considering that we KNOW that at least six, possibly seven, of the hi-jackers were misindentified, we really cannot say with certainty who was on the airplanes. And did you know that there has been no evidence presented connecting Atta to Al Qaeda? Not even the 9/11 Commission was able to draw or prove connections. Tell me, Karen K, did this Administration lie about Saddam’s connections to Al Qaeda? If so, and we know they did, why are you so willing to accept that they did NOT lie about Atta’s conbnections to Al Qaeda? The truth is we KNOW Atta had connections to the Pakistani ISI, but we DO NOT know he had connections to Al Qaeda.
    Why, after it was discovered so many of the hi-jackers were misindentified, was there never a revised list put forward, at the very least listing six of the hi-jackers identities as “unknown”, Karen K? Why does this Administration still claim to know the identities of all 19 when we KNOW for a fact that that is untrue?
    Karen K, until you start answering some of these questions, you have no basis upon which you can continue to utter the words “conspiracy theorist”.
    We have been told Al Qaeda did this. The facts are that the ONLY basis we have for believing that Al Qaeda did it is the findings of the 9/11 commission. A commission that REFUSED to explore any other explanation, and was directed by the Bush Administration what direction their inquiry was to focus on.
    Yet you are willing to parrot the official explanation, despite five and one half years of unprecedented deception, secrecy, lies, media manipulation. and criminal abuse of our constitution by the very entity that is hawking the official explanation. That defies logic, Karen K.

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  22. gq says:

    When is Steve coming to California (Bay Area)?

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  23. gq says:

    karenk,
    Incompetent and unprepared are not necessarily the same thing. There were many competent people caught unprepared on 9/11. Incompetent leadership often prevents people from being prepared or equipped. I still think the “failure of imagination” is a reasonable description of 9/11. Incompetence describes the Katrina nonresponse. Incompetence has resulted in our current lack of preparedness. Sigh. Hopefully only for four more months.

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  24. karenk says:

    http://www.st911.org/
    I read the article, but saw no evidence to refute that anyone other than OBL and al Qaeda did 9/11.
    Key phrase:
    “While Griffin professes no formulated alternative theory of what did happen,”
    as in , don’t know what did happen, but I’m sure it was the government that did it…
    People see what they want to see,so if someone is always mistrustful of the govt or wants it overthrown, they’ll see evidence it should be. That’s fine but they should be tolerant of those who believe it is what it is…the obvious is usually the story. Probably no one knew what they were doing that morning, incompetant as they are(proven by Katrina response).

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  25. karenk says:

    Are you saying OBL and al Qaeda didn’t plan and carry out 9/11? That’s all.

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  26. elementary teacher says:

    It’s amazing what a night’s sleep can do for a person.
    Now, let me see, what was the name of that song that I need to hear sung up to my window? Oh, yeah, I remember now. It’s a quaint old country tune, ladies and gentlemen. It’s a song without guile, titled simply:
    “I’d Steal Your Shoes to Keep You from Leaving Me.” 😀

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  27. Pissed Off American says:

    117 questions from William Wyttenbach, MD, ex-Major USAF….
    http://www.unansweredquestions.org/117Questions.txt

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  28. Pissed Off American says:

    Unquestioned Answers
    Nonconspiracy theorist David Ray Griffin takes aim at the official 9-11 story
    By Steve Bhaerman
    About 10 years ago, I was asked to perform comedy at a conference I quickly dubbed “the Paranoids Conference.” Each presenter had a dark tale to tell of abductions, drug running, assassinations and other nefarious horrors too terrible to mention. There were whispers of government agents in our midst, so when it was my turn to perform, I said I was with the CIA. I paused while the audience gasped. “That’s the Comedians Institute of America.” It got a laugh, but no amount of laughter could counterbalance the toxicity of the atmosphere. I couldn’t wait to leave.
    Fast forward to a sunny Sunday afternoon early last year when I found myself in Santa Rosa’s Church of the Rose to hear Dr. David Ray Griffin, author of a book on the 9-11 attacks called The New Pearl Harbor, as well as The 9-11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. Griffin, a soft-spoken retired professor of theology with sandy, graying hair, proceeded to calmly and quietly dismantle the official 9-11 story. The room was filled to standing with people of all ages, many of whom attended the church. As Griffin made his case for how the official story could never have happened the way they said it did, I looked around me. Everyone was riveted, and yet I could detect no fear, no paranoia in the room.
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    People were hearing his message–the essentials of which are that our government likely knew about or had something to do with the 9-11 attacks–and yet there was something about his delivery that was reassuring. I’ve heard David Ray Griffin twice since then, once at a small gathering of world government advocates, the other time at the prestigious Commonwealth Club in San Francisco. Each event had a similar ambiance: a calm, thoughtful, scholarly presentation without the least hint of sensationalism or personal glory.
    Whatever one’s assumption of what a “conspiracy theorist” is like, David Ray Griffin doesn’t fit the mold, perhaps because he’s really a nonconspiracy theorist. While he methodically deconstructs the official story, he doesn’t spin his own alternative yarn to fill the vacuum. Instead, he allows audience members to draw their own conclusions. As for conspiracy theories, he explains, “the official story is itself a conspiracy theory. As the accepted ‘conspiracy theory’ goes, a cadre of al Qaida operatives conspired to hijack four jetliners, did so undetected and were able to complete their mission with no interception or even interference from the best-prepared air force on the face of the earth.”
    continues at……
    http://www.st911.org/

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  29. Pissed Off American says:

    http://www.st911.org/
    Eleven Questions Avoided by Corporate Media concerning DoD Lies & 9/11 Commission Cover-up
    Posted in the database on Saturday, August 05th, 2006 @ 11:01:42 MST (365 views)
    by Kyle F. Hence 9/11 CitizensWatch
    The real and problematic confusion and fog is one which is seemingly preventing the corporate media from grappling with any of the following pressing questions which have been advanced for years by the 9/11 families, advocates and independent researchers.
    Here are Eleven Questions that the corporate media have thus far refused to raise or attempt to answer in their examination of the NORAD tapes and related issues:
    Who was responsible for scheduling multiple war games and terror exercises involving aircraft for Sept. 11th
    Who moved “Global Guardian” normally scheduled for October to September?
    Who designed the war games to involve ‘hijackings’?
    Who planned and scheduled the movement of Airforce aircraft north to Canada, Alaska and Greenland?
    Who planned the terror exercise at the NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) involving an evacuation in response to threat from the air?
    Who was “hands-on” responsible for coordinating all the war games the morning of September 11th?
    Who would have been responsible for turning off the war games to enable a timely real world response to the attacks?
    How were as many as 21 false radar blips or possible targets (per Jane Garvey) inserted into FAA radar screens?
    Who was responsible for the identification of ghost flight 11 which allegedly continued to fly south past Manhattan and which may have caused NORAD’s Langley intercept jets to vector North toward NYC rather than D.C.?
    [NOTE: John Farmer of the 9/11 Commission said to me personally that the 9/11 Commission was never able to identify the individual for this flight 11 information–to resolve this anomaly.]
    Why was there no reference to the pattern of 9/11 Commission cover-up including that of Able Danger as revealed by Capt. Scott Philpott?
    =================
    The bottom line question that corporate media refuse to answer and which the 9/11 Commission ignored is who, specifically, would have been responsible for creating the circumstances that led to the confusion or fog the morning of 9/11 and who should have immediately ceased any and all war gaming activity and deceptive radar data?
    To begin to answer these questions journalists intent on getting answers to questions long asked by the families and others should visit:
    Enough with excusing those responsible by pointing to ‘confusion’ or ‘fog’. The real and dangerous ‘fog’ here is that which prevents journalists from doing their jobs and asking and answering the hard questions about 9/11 including those posed above and those surrounding the growing evidence for controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers and WTC #7. [Google Dr. Steven Jones & World Trade Center]

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  30. Pissed Off American says:

    http://www.st911.org/
    Eleven Questions Avoided by Corporate Media concerning DoD Lies & 9/11 Commission Cover-up
    Posted in the database on Saturday, August 05th, 2006 @ 11:01:42 MST (365 views)
    by Kyle F. Hence 9/11 CitizensWatch
    The real and problematic confusion and fog is one which is seemingly preventing the corporate media from grappling with any of the following pressing questions which have been advanced for years by the 9/11 families, advocates and independent researchers.
    Here are Eleven Questions that the corporate media have thus far refused to raise or attempt to answer in their examination of the NORAD tapes and related issues:
    Who was responsible for scheduling multiple war games and terror exercises involving aircraft for Sept. 11th
    Who moved “Global Guardian” normally scheduled for October to September?
    Who designed the war games to involve ‘hijackings’?
    Who planned and scheduled the movement of Airforce aircraft north to Canada, Alaska and Greenland?
    Who planned the terror exercise at the NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) involving an evacuation in response to threat from the air?
    Who was “hands-on” responsible for coordinating all the war games the morning of September 11th?
    Who would have been responsible for turning off the war games to enable a timely real world response to the attacks?
    How were as many as 21 false radar blips or possible targets (per Jane Garvey) inserted into FAA radar screens?
    Who was responsible for the identification of ghost flight 11 which allegedly continued to fly south past Manhattan and which may have caused NORAD’s Langley intercept jets to vector North toward NYC rather than D.C.?
    [NOTE: John Farmer of the 9/11 Commission said to me personally that the 9/11 Commission was never able to identify the individual for this flight 11 information–to resolve this anomaly.]
    Why was there no reference to the pattern of 9/11 Commission cover-up including that of Able Danger as revealed by Capt. Scott Philpott?
    =================
    The bottom line question that corporate media refuse to answer and which the 9/11 Commission ignored is who, specifically, would have been responsible for creating the circumstances that led to the confusion or fog the morning of 9/11 and who should have immediately ceased any and all war gaming activity and deceptive radar data?
    To begin to answer these questions journalists intent on getting answers to questions long asked by the families and others should visit:
    Center for Cooperative Research: Essay — “U.S. Military Exercises up to 9/11”
    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline
    =complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=militaryExercises
    Randi Rhodes interview with Complete 9/11 Timeline author, Paul Thompson on Air America
    http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/RandiRhodes_PaulThompson_NORAD_080206.mp3
    Enough with excusing those responsible by pointing to ‘confusion’ or ‘fog’. The real and dangerous ‘fog’ here is that which prevents journalists from doing their jobs and asking and answering the hard questions about 9/11 including those posed above and those surrounding the growing evidence for controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers and WTC #7. [Google Dr. Steven Jones & World Trade Center]
    Kyle F. Hence
    Executive Director
    9/11 CitizensWatch
    http://www.911citizenswatch.org
    kfh@911citizenswatch.org
    401-935-7715 See also:
    Exclusive Report: Did Military Exercises Facilitate the 9/11 Pentagon Attack?
    http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060718232126585

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  31. Pissed Off American says:

    Eleven Questions Avoided by Corporate Media concerning DoD Lies & 9/11 Commission Cover-up
    Posted in the database on Saturday, August 05th, 2006 @ 11:01:42 MST (365 views)
    by Kyle F. Hence 9/11 CitizensWatch
    Recent articles in corporate media examine deception and lying by the Department of Defense relative to the attacks of September 11th 2001. They shed light on an effective cover-up by the 9/11 Commission in its refusal to bring Government deception to the American people by way of their discredited 9/11 Report. Links to these articles follow as do 11 questions which these revelations and NORAD tapes beg to be asked and which must be answered:
    Washington Post
    9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
    Allegations Brought to Inspectors General
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300_pf.html
    Vanity Fair
    9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes
    http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01
    The New York Times
    New Tapes Disclose Confusion Within the Military on Sept. 11
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/03/us/03norad.html
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    The real and problematic confusion and fog is one which is seemingly preventing the corporate media from grappling with any of the following pressing questions which have been advanced for years by the 9/11 families, advocates and independent researchers.
    Here are Eleven Questions that the corporate media have thus far refused to raise or attempt to answer in their examination of the NORAD tapes and related issues:
    Who was responsible for scheduling multiple war games and terror exercises involving aircraft for Sept. 11th
    Who moved “Global Guardian” normally scheduled for October to September?
    Who designed the war games to involve ‘hijackings’?
    Who planned and scheduled the movement of Airforce aircraft north to Canada, Alaska and Greenland?
    Who planned the terror exercise at the NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) involving an evacuation in response to threat from the air?
    Who was “hands-on” responsible for coordinating all the war games the morning of September 11th?
    Who would have been responsible for turning off the war games to enable a timely real world response to the attacks?
    How were as many as 21 false radar blips or possible targets (per Jane Garvey) inserted into FAA radar screens?
    Who was responsible for the identification of ghost flight 11 which allegedly continued to fly south past Manhattan and which may have caused NORAD’s Langley intercept jets to vector North toward NYC rather than D.C.?
    [NOTE: John Farmer of the 9/11 Commission said to me personally that the 9/11 Commission was never able to identify the individual for this flight 11 information–to resolve this anomaly.]
    Why was there no reference to the pattern of 9/11 Commission cover-up including that of Able Danger as revealed by Capt. Scott Philpott?
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    The bottom line question that corporate media refuse to answer and which the 9/11 Commission ignored is who, specifically, would have been responsible for creating the circumstances that led to the confusion or fog the morning of 9/11 and who should have immediately ceased any and all war gaming activity and deceptive radar data?
    To begin to answer these questions journalists intent on getting answers to questions long asked by the families and others should visit:
    Center for Cooperative Research: Essay — “U.S. Military Exercises up to 9/11”
    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline
    =complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=militaryExercises
    Randi Rhodes interview with Complete 9/11 Timeline author, Paul Thompson on Air America
    http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/RandiRhodes_PaulThompson_NORAD_080206.mp3
    Enough with excusing those responsible by pointing to ‘confusion’ or ‘fog’. The real and dangerous ‘fog’ here is that which prevents journalists from doing their jobs and asking and answering the hard questions about 9/11 including those posed above and those surrounding the growing evidence for controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers and WTC #7. [Google Dr. Steven Jones & World Trade Center]
    Kyle F. Hence
    Executive Director
    9/11 CitizensWatch
    http://www.911citizenswatch.org
    kfh@911citizenswatch.org
    401-935-7715 See also:
    Exclusive Report: Did Military Exercises Facilitate the 9/11 Pentagon Attack?
    http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060718232126585

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