Obama’s Fangs Give Me Hope

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One of the things I really, really liked when I met Howard Dean in January 2003 at an event that I helped organize between the New America Foundation and the Atlantic Monthly on the subject of the “Real State of the Union” was how ferocious and tenacious I saw he could be. Dean was smart too, had great ideas in my opinion, but he was a son of a bitch pit bull as well. I thought that only the toughest, most tenacious kind of personality could beat George W. Bush.
I have wondered whether or not Obama had a similar kind of tenaciousness. I knew that Hillary Clinton did — but sometimes it’s tough to see how long and how hard someone will fight under the banner of hope.
But today I saw something significant. Obama had to ditch his VP vetter Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson over some shenanigans related to preferential mortgage treatment from Countrywide Financial. We all have bad days.
But then Obama put out this statement through spokesman Bill Burton:

“We don’t need any lectures from a campaign that waited fifteen months to purge the lobbyists from their staff, and only did so because they said it was a ‘perception problem. It’s too bad their campaign is still rife with lobbyist influence and doesn’t see a similar ‘perception problem’ with the man currently running their own vice presidential selection process, a prominent DC lobbyist whose firm has represented Exxon and a top Enron executive, or their campaign chair and John McCain’s top economic adviser Carly Fiorina, who presided over thousands of layoffs at Hewlett Packard while receiving a $21 million severance package and $650,000 in mortgage assistance,” said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

That’s tenaciousness — and it gives me hope.
— Steve Clemons

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100 comments on “Obama’s Fangs Give Me Hope

  1. Tahoe Editor says:

    Thanks for reading & responding — double wink

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  2. arthurdecco says:

    Tahoe Ed, I suspect anything worth reading gets the eyeballs of those worth writing it for, even if it’s 2000 words. And I’m equally sure tripe gets passed over no matter how short it is by anyone interested in substance.
    I was simply trying to get you to use less bandwidth on posts not worth writing or reading in the first place, is all. (wink)

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  3. Tahoe Editor says:

    Thanks, arthur. I keep all my posts quite short. There’s an inverse relationship between post length and how many people actually read them — I’d guess those 2,000 word rants get 2-4 eyeballs each. Cheers.

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  4. karenk says:

    just got off a mad run of 12 hour shifts for the past few days, so now have some time to check out this blog again. Sorry, but I don’t know what Mortons response is supposed to mean. I was just lamenting about how the midde class is being run so ragged trying to stay in the same place that it leaves precious little time to oversee those in power, which essentially gives them more power to continue running us ragged. NO? ANd I think we should all stop paying taxes. I used to know a guy who never paid and went to jail every few years, said he read lots of books and worked out a lot in there, then they’d let him go after 6 months-cost too much $$ to keep him in there!

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  5. arthurdecco says:

    *yawn* posted by Tahoe Editor
    Finest post you’ve ever written, Tahoe Editor.
    Couldn’t all your posts reflect the same regard for brevity?

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  6. Tahoe Editor says:

    *yawn*

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  7. ... says:

    ‘steves friend’ is a mccain troll..

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  8. Tahoe Editor says:

    POA not having fun calling other posters “Hitler” is like saying Heff doesn’t have fun in the Bunny mansion. It’s the only fun you’ve got, P.

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  9. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Well, gee, now Tahoe Editor is linking us to the corn fed cowshit of Ross Mackenzie. Remember him? He’s the piece of shit that started the crap about Obama attending a “maddrassa school”, which has since been proven to be a bald faced lie..
    From Media Matters….
    Syndicated columnist Mackenzie falsely claimed Obama was educated in a “madrassa school”
    Summary: In a column posted on Townhall.com, Ross Mackenzie wrote that Sen. Barack Obama “must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his madrassa school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa.”
    Tahoe also would like us to wet our whistles with a good ol’Larry Elder rant, another divisive and crap filled talk show radio host, whose stock in trade is a constant litany of swiftboating character assasination, guaranteed to tillate every fuckin’ ignorant clown out there in radio land.
    Keep those ‘ol constructive essays comin’, “Friend Of Steve’s”, its important for us to know what the bottom of the barrel looks like, and if anyone can show us, by golly, you’re the man.

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  10. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Actually, Tahoe, I mean the “jackass” labeling in all seriousness. Nuthin’ “fun” about it. Morton is a jackass.
    And when you find a passage where I call any of the posters “nazis”, let me know, will ya? You’re offended by HillaryHitler? To you its the same as calling your constant stream of swiftboating horseshit the act of a nazi? Sorry man, gee golly, don’t mean to offend. I’ll try to refer to your constant barrage of Limbaugh like excrement as the actions of a “Great American” from now on. Ring any bells? Another hero of your’s, no doubt.
    BTW, I saw where you gave MarkL kudos for accusing me of “virulent anti-semitism”. Perhaps YOU would like to acquire the burden of justifying such an accusation, seeing as how MarkL promptly slithered for his rock when I asked him for HIS justification.
    How about I just call you “Friend of Steve’s”. Will that make you feel better? Aren’t shallow acts of self validation wonderful? Its just like masturbation, but a lot less strenuous.
    You don’t need to reply, “Friend of Steve’s”, as I’m sure you have important work to do trying to put McCain in the Oval Office, while furiously masquerading as someone that has an effin’ clue.
    Carry on, “Friend of Steve’s”, I’m sure he appreciates your contributions here, and the wisdom you exhibit in your choice of SNL skits to share with us.

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  11. Tahoe Editor says:

    Larry Elder: Warming Up To Obama’s Message of Hope And Change
    http://www.caglepost.com/column.aspx?c=6707

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  12. Tahoe Editor says:

    “Jackass” is all in good fun, no doubt. I suppose you’ve reached your Nazi quota for the week.
    Do I regret referencing SNL? Yes. I’ll stop at just calling Carroll — who gleefully throws around insults like “brainless” and won’t “even pretend to have an open mind” — ignorant, full stop.
    POA, your life sounds ruined to me.

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  13. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Well, this blog is ruined again.
    Tahoe ain’t doing Steve any favors by milking the friendship, if one exists.
    And Morton is simply a jackass. Same jackass, different name.

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  14. morton says:

    “I haven’t seen anyone else use words like slut or bastard or other
    terms like that to refer to other posters.”
    Must be really late in the day for you…but take a look at the last
    200 posts by PissedOff.

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  15. morton says:

    The point is not who I am or who he is but the oddity of his using
    Steve as a character reference for his opinion and given his
    language.
    It was Steve who first said he knew Tahoe when Tahoe was getting
    trashed by the usual suspects.

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  16. Kathleen says:

    Lots of people “run”. Clark might be puffing up his shirt, but I doubt that he would blow up his own skirt. Now a Scotsman, like McCain could blow up his own skirt and probably has.

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  17. Tahoe Editor says:

    Clark is SO running for VP! Watch him blow up his own skirt on Morning Joe:
    http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/06/13/clark/index.html

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  18. Tahoe Editor says:

    can’t choose:
    Hillary
    Webb
    Richardson
    must choose:
    white guy

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  19. Kathleen says:

    Tahoe Editor… I disagreeeee. While I do think his running mate has to be white, I don’t agree it has to be a dude, quite the opposite. Somehow I think the first black president of the Harvard Law Review is sharp enough to prefer winning to page turning.
    I disagreeeee that any military person is the wave of the future trend, away from war, with less emphasis on the Commander-In-Chief aspect of the Presidency. which is basically for wartime and Americans want to give peace a chance, so we’re looking for diplomats. Hillary’s long suit, in my opinion, is her graciousness. On my wish list now, Hillary as VEEP, Russ Feingold as Majority Leader, Al Gore as US` Ambassador to the UN, Bill Clinton as Secretary of State. Wes Clark as Secretary of Defense, Mario Cuomo for Supreme Court.

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  20. Tahoe Editor says:

    I thought they’d be able to patch it up, but looking back I don’t think he can take Hillary without turning the page back, so to speak. I think Clark is his best bet. I don’t think much of him — the only thing I liked about him was that he supported Hillary. I only saw him once at the Center for Global Development, and he stammered through the whole thing. But if he were assigned to just the national-security beat, he could hold his own. They could say “Supreme Allied Commander” 100 times a day and show pictures of him with all his ribbons. I still say BO is doomed if he doesn’t pick a white guy.

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  21. Kathleen says:

    Tahoe Editor..Thanks for the link… I stopped accepting the opinions of so-called pundits about most things, some time ago…. it feels to me, most of the time, that some would-be Wizzard of Oz on Madison Ave. throws a pet phrase of the week out to the MSM and it goes rippling through the soundwaves, ad infinitum, all without much aforethought.
    One would think the electoral process was a logical one to hear all the reasonings. In the privacy of the voting booth, it is the gut feeling that determines which column we choose our pablum from,D or R., stupid things like with whom we would want to drink a beer. In the end, it’s all a giant crap shoot. I might as well ask Jimmy the Greek what the odds are.
    Watching the body language of it all, I’d say that shortly after the last debate, Obama and Hillary made a deal. it looked and sounded like a mutual admiration society. And why not? Democrats should not have to choose between the first woman and the first black candidate. In this case, having one’s cake and eat it too sounds like a smart move. Obama wants to win and Hillary wants to be the next nominee.
    Math, schmath. It all adds up that way. What else is there to ask.

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  22. Tahoe Editor says:

    And again, Jane, POA has a penchant for calling posters Nazis. That’s a great standard to build on.

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  23. Tahoe Editor says:

    I used Steve as a reference to attest that there isn’t a GOP bone in my body, not to affirm my character or opinions. But of course you’re not interested in honest discussion. HENCE my Jane Curtin reference remains applicable.

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  24. Carroll says:

    Posted by Morton Jun 13, 11:29AM
    A lot of us use sarcasm and even use “sob” to refer to politicans but I haven’t seen anyone else use words like slut or bastard or other terms like that to refer to other posters.
    The point is not who I am or who he is but the oddity of his using Steve as a character reference
    for his opinion and given his language.

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  25. Tahoe Editor says:

    Let’s start a new thread on VP choices. Richardson & Webb are out cuz of women problems.
    My best guess is Obama-Clark vs. McCain-Crist.

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  26. Tahoe Editor says:

    Really. With the Nazi fetishes on display here, I think I’ll relish my privacy, thank you very much.

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  27. Morton says:

    “Are you related, or facebook buddies, do you work for a political
    group or just what is your connection?”
    Why don’t you elaborate on who YOU are, ee?
    You have no problem with all manner of personal attacks on these
    threads when issued by your buds.

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  28. Kathleen says:

    Paul Nordheim.. thanks for the tip to cut and paste,, it worked for me, so was able to continue with WigWag on the other thread..on Tahoe Editor’s freindship with Steve, perhaps Steve should elaborate?

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  29. easy e says:

    Posted by Carroll Jun 12, 2:40PM – Link
    Posted by Tahoe Editor Jun 12, 11:55AM – Link
    There’s nothing GOP about me — Steve can attest to that.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Why don’t you elaborate on your friendship with Steve. We would all be interested to know the connection between a 34 yr old from Carson City and a DC policy guy.
    Are you related, or facebook buddies, do you work for a political group or just what is your connection?
    I remember Steve saying he knew you which was sort of shocking to me that he would have a friendship with someone who calls women ignorant sluts…and allows it on his blog after he has warned all of us against using personal attacks and bad language.
    So, exactly how do you and Steve know each other?
    ****************
    I didn’t see where Carroll’s question was answered. Well??????????

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  30. Linda says:

    Wigwag,
    Cheshire makes a lot of good points as position of President is unique–can’t be compared to hiring a surgeon or a plumber. We never really know what we get until we already have it. And we have ample proof in Bush that experience in the job doesn’t mean one gets better at it.
    Only one person is elected by his/her peers to head “Harvard Law Review” and not all Harvard law students are liberals. Indeed Obama was elected partly because those in the Federalist Society (the conservatives) supported him too because they thought he would listen to them and be fair to them. His fellow students saw him up close and knew him well.
    But Obama surely has more than being intelligent with decent policies. Community organizing in poverty areas requires listening to people and their needs and helping to empower them–and working with a wide variety of governmental agencies and community organizations.
    Practicing civil rights law and teaching constitutional law surely are relevant experience as well as experience in in IL legislature.
    And he put together and ran a brilliant campaign for the nomination–hired the right people, raised a lot of money and stayed within budget, etc. Indeed the biggest operation that either Hillary or Obama has run is their respective campaigns.
    And I think perhaps the quality that is most impressive is that he not only is bright but learns very quickly, and that might be a real asset in a job for which there really is no way to prepare.

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  31. Matt says:

    Maybe we should all just write in “Tahoe Editor” on the election ticket. That way we can avoid all these troubling conspiracies and get back to reality.

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  32. Mr.Murder says:

    Interesting to mention Enron, since Obama’s campaign director Axelrod worked for Exelon and they bought out the companies Enron gamed in price wars, like PECO, in the wake of their having gone broke.

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  33. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Your long post basically implies that presidents are selected through a media conspiracy and the citizenry is too stupid to do anything about it”
    Bingo.
    Or do you think it was a collective display of public brilliance that put this criminal piece of shit Bush in office?

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  34. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Saturday Night Live, eh?
    Odd, I don’t remember anyone complimenting Tahoe on how funny it was for him to call Carroll an ignorant slut. He musta screwed up the punchline.

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  35. WigWag says:

    Chesire11, good points but I would point out that before that experienced surgeon you were looking for became a surgeon, he probably went to medical school and then did an internship, residency and maybe a fellowship and then finally became board certified. And that experiened pilot probably did start on piper cubs and then moved his way up through twin engineed 737s before anyone let him get behind the wheel (throtle?) of that 747.
    Being experienced doesn’t mean you will be a good president. Reagan was Governor of California, twice; he was an awful president. Being a good speaker or even having leadership qualities doesn’t guarantee that you will be a good president either. Again, Reagan had both qualities. I don’t think he was good.
    But times have changed since Lincoln. I am glad you’re not comparing Obama to Lincoln because many of Obama’s starry eyed accolytes already are. It seems to me that most people get better at something when they work at it for a while. It doesn’t look much to me like Obama has done much of that. But I know many smart people disagree.
    So can you divine any reason why I should think that Obama has any qualities that would suggest he might actually be good at the job. I can think of one; he’s smart. I can think of another, his policies are decent. But he’s never done anything as far as I can tell that would allow me to judge whether he would have any talent for the job at all. If you can think of something, I would be glad to hear it.

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  36. Kathleen says:

    Cheshire 11… Criminalizing anything that God made is the real crime. Our right to make personal use of anything that occurs in nature is God-given, not State-Given.
    Tahoe Editor….Perhaps man made highs are best for the GOP-ers. They think they know better than God and they come with the correct permission slips. They can join Cindy McCain in the med head dept.

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  37. Chesire11 says:

    Far be it from me to endorse or advocate the use of illegal drugs, but those guys are wound kind of tight, aren’t they? Sheesh! Maybe in their cases, it could be considered therapeutic – maybe even prophylactic, if we’re lucky!

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  38. Kathleen says:

    Cheshire 11.. Noooo, the GOP has not been smoking dope.. that’s their problem.. if they did, they would be better at Kumbaya-ing. All they can sing is Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran

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  39. Chesire11 says:

    Thanks for your kind words, WigWag.
    Allow me to clarify myself on the importance of experience.
    If I needed surgery, I would surely look for a surgeon with experience. I hope and expect that the pilot who flies the plane I board to have experience flying jets. I do not, however, expect a candidate for the presidency to have experience being president. At this time, there are only five people in the world with POTUS experience.
    I’m not trying to be flip, but other experience in government just doesn’t measure up.
    Legislative experience is of limited value in the Executive Branch. Gubernatorial experience does little to prepare a person for foreign crises and military affairs. Appointed positions convey policy expertise, but expertise without the political skills necessary to implement them is of limited value.
    There is simply no position of which I am aware that combines all of these functions under the pressure and scrutiny to which the POTUS is subject. The presidency is a crucible so unlike any other than no experience or knowledge gained anywhere but the Oval Office is sufficient to preparing a person for the demands of the job.
    That said, though no resume is sufficient, there should still be prerequisites. Policy knowledge, administrative ability and government experience are important, but can be supplied by a wisely chosen cabinet. Political skill, ability to communicate and to resonate with the public, intellect and wisdom, ability to act decisively under pressure – these are the things which can only be supplied by the president and which may be honed through experience in other positions in government or the private sector, but they are functions of character, not experience. Unfortunately, that means that any time there isn’t an incumbent president running for re-election, we are essentially buying a “pig in a poke.”
    Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon were consummate Washington insiders, yet their presidencies unraveled around Vietnam and Watergate, respectively. Abraham Lincoln served eight years in the Illinois state legislature and two years in the US House of Representatives. in fact, Barack Obama actually has more government experience than did Lincoln when elected president (8 years Illinois state leg; 3.5 years U.S. Senate).
    My point isn’t that Obama is another Lincoln, but that previous government experience is of only limited value to a president.

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  40. Beth in VA says:

    Obama kept his weapons sheathed pretty much during the primary. But he’s been much more assertive since he’s up against the Republican. A world of difference.

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  41. Tahoe Editor says:

    You can make the argument that no one is ever prepared to be president. But that doesn’t mean some aren’t more prepared than others.

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  42. WigWag says:

    Chesire11 you’ve made many extremely good points on this thread but I don’t think this one is supportable:
    “It is no exaggeration to say that POTUS is an utterly unique position in the history of the world. Sen. Clinton’s claim to be “ready on day one” to the contrary, there is simply nothing to prepare a person for the challenges of the job.”
    Experience in government is the experience that’s needed. Not experience running for office, the experience you get after your elected. Even the experience you get in an appointed office would be better than Senator Obama’s.
    If experience doesn’t matter than I’m qualified to be President; so are you; so is Tahoe Editor; so is Steve Clemons and so is POA.
    Anyone who needs surgery will tell you that they want an experienced surgeon; the more experienced the better. Anyone flying to a vacation destination will tell you that they expect their pilot to have experience flying jets not just piper cubs. For goodness sake most of us would prefer an experienced plumber or electrician or piano teacher over an inexperienced one. Explain to me again why it’s less important in a President. You’re not the first to make this claim, and I may be dense, but I just don’t get it.

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  43. Tahoe Editor says:

    These are they things you need to say to get elected. Steve can rail on Hillary for proposing a gas-tax holiday, but “I think gas should be $9 a gallon” surely won’t get you there.

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  44. Chesire11 says:

    Oh, okay! Yeah, it is a schtick.
    The Republicans will never accept a Democrat as POTUS. They will attack and try to destroy any Democrat elected to the White House (they impeached Clinton over oral sex!).
    Anyone who thinks the GOP will welcome an Obama presidency with a rousing chorus of Kumbaya has been smoking dope.
    Like I said, before, it’s just the pablum an immature electorate requires of a candidate for office – sort of like “AMerica’s best days are ahead of us” and other mindless platitudes.

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  45. Tahoe Editor says:

    It means his postpartisan uniter shtick is a charade.

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  46. Chesire11 says:

    You’ll perhaps excuse my (measured) cynicism when I suggest that the evidence for a broad American political mainstream is pretty sketchy.
    In any case, I’m not entirely sure of the point you’re trying to make with the two articles to which you link. His choice of Jim Johnson as a vetter doesn’t bother me, nor does his willingness to cut his losses when Johnson became a potential liability.
    His policy prescriptions have been laid out in all of the detail that any candidate will allow over the course of a long and contentious primary campaign and are as known as they’re going to be.
    Obama is certainly an “unknown quantity” when it comes to the presidency, but that has less to do with Obama than it does with the nature of the job. It is no exaggeration to say that POTUS is an utterly unique position in the history of the world. Sen. Clinton’s claim to be “ready on day one” to the contrary, there is simply nothing to prepare a person for the challenges of the job.
    The second article leaves me completely mystified Obama’s liberal. So what?

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  47. Tahoe Editor says:

    The American mainstream is big enough. Bullying everyone else into it makes little sense to me.

    Who wants “wet clay” in the Oval Office?
    Howard Fineman:
    Obama’s relationship — now abruptly ended — with a wealthy Democratic Washington denizen named Jim Johnson is way more than a mere Inside-the-Beltway story. It’s a deeply revealing episode from beginning to end.
    We learn that he has yet to master the art of keeping his cool when someone (an opponent or the press) has the temerity to question his decision-making. We learn that his first instinct is to brush off criticism with a flick of a finger.
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/141050
    Obama offers “a kinder, gentler way of getting rolled”:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/obamas_change_what_when_how.html

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  48. Chesire11 says:

    I are with you – to an extent, but when Coke and Pepsi are all that are on offer a choice needs to be made and (since Pepsi tastes like crap + bubbles) Coke it is.
    In a democracy, the candidate or party or philosophy with the broadest appeal wins regardless of their relative ability to govern. Yes, it is very good to have choices outside the mainstream, but by definition, they occupy niches in the political landscape. In mass market politicking, niche candidates are at an inherent and essentially insurmountable disadvantage. (This isn’t entirely bad, as it makes it more difficult for dangerous, radical pluralities to gain power than in more fragmented polities.)
    It is too bad that there aren’t more than two viable choices, but although mankind may be bigger than that, the American mainstream is not. It is limited, in part, by the fact that so many basic political questions with which other countries grapple have been so firmly addressed and settled by our founding documents; our system is left to bicker over policy details within broadly defined limits rather than existential questions that tear governments and nations apart.
    Were the electorate better informed and more active, it might broaden considerably, but as long as voters are lazy and myopic, preferring to focus more on personality than on policy, I’m afraid our choices are limited to two (if we’re lucky!) viable candidates.

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  49. EA says:

    Well said, Chesire11. You strike me as someone who looks at the forest view. It seems to me that transparency is the only real antidote for the flawed aspects inherent in human nature. History’s propaganda chiefs have known this all too well:
    impressionable “mob” + message + opacity = enhanced power.

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  50. Tahoe Editor says:

    Saying you have to choose between Coke & Pepsi is the true myopia. Humankind is much bigger than that, and I think it’s good that some people are way outside the mainstream. You could say it’s lazy to restrict everyone to only the viable options.

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  51. Chesire 11 says:

    Sorry! I didn’t realize I was rambling quite that much!
    The shorter version would be that I’m far more cynical about the electorate than I am about the guys who play the game the way the rules are written.

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  52. Chesire11 says:

    I think there’s a rational middle ground between the messianic fervor of some Obama supporters and the blind cynicism that sees no possibility of virtue in any political leader.
    Barack Obama is no messiah and the whole “Yes-we-can…Hope…Change-we-can-believe-in” shtick is just the pablum demanded by an immature electorate. To an extent, all successful politicians are compromised by powerful interest groups – that is the nature of politics and Barack Obama is no different.
    The great virtue of democracy, when compared with other political systems is that it compels political leaders to compromise themselves. Democracy’s success isn’t contingent upon politicians’ virtue, rather it expects and depends upon their corruptibility. Instead of serving only their own ambition, politicians are forced to align themselves with a coalition of interest groups. The candidate’s virtues are inevitably compromised and his freedom of action circumscribed, but so are his vices and ambitions. Corporations do enjoy a disproportionate influence over public policy, but they do not enjoy exclusive control as they would in other systems. It’s not entirely fair, but it’s the best option available.
    It does mean that Bush and Gore and Kerry and McCain and Obama are compromised and beholden to their constituents – that’s how the system is supposed to run. Condemning them all equally for being what they are supposed to be is lazy and adolescent. You don’t go looking for virgins in a whorehouse! It is the voter’s job to understand that none of the candidates will align exactly with themselves and to discern between the candidates, which one is most closely aligned with themselves and which serve the bidding of others.
    In my estimation Barack Obama is the candidate that best advocates policies that most benefit my interests. (Had Hillary Clinton secured the nomination, I would be writing the same things about her.) Obama has demonstrated a resilience when attacked and an ability to throw an elbow when necessary. He has also shown a willingness to engage in thoughtful dialogue and to move beyond parroting mindless talking points and to energize an enthusiastic network of grassroots support that makes him less beholden to powerful interests than McCain and able to pressure Congress to enact his policies.
    Is he perfect? Hardly, but he’s acceptable and that’s a hell of a lot better than what we have endured for eight years and would face under a McCain administration.

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  53. Tahoe Editor says:

    She’s certainly good at talking past you — hence my Aykroyd/Curtain reference. Echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo

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  54. WigWag says:

    Tahoe Editor, don’t worry about Carroll. She makes just about as much sense as her compadre, Arthur Decco.
    You didn’t see her complaining when POA was throwing around the term “HillaryHitlers.” She’s a hypocrite and not worth your time.

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  55. Tahoe Editor says:

    Oh give it a rest, we’ve been through the SNL back and forth, and you’re just as talented at insult-slinging.
    Steve and I are friends; I recently escaped the post-9/11 police state of Washington D.C. to exchange taxation without representation for representation without taxation. Not that I’ll have much more of a voice here — McCain will take Nevada hands down.

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  56. Carroll says:

    Posted by Tahoe Editor Jun 12, 11:55AM – Link
    There’s nothing GOP about me — Steve can attest to that.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Why don’t you elaborate on your friendship with Steve. We would all be interested to know the connection between a 34 yr old from Carson City and a DC policy guy.
    Are you related, or facebook buddies, do you work for a political group or just what is your connection?
    I remember Steve saying he knew you which was sort of shocking to me that he would have a friendship with someone who calls women ignorant sluts…and allows it on his blog after he has warned all of us against using personal attacks and bad language.
    So, exactly how do you and Steve know each other?

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  57. ... says:

    “It is not without reason that despair is considered a sin.”
    Chesire11, so is avarice, something all politicos have committed…

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  58. Tahoe Editor says:

    This is what happens when you’re PermaPissed. Though of course I agree with POA on BO.
    In POA’s defense, I have Marxists friends who insist Bush/Gore, Obama/McCain are just Coke/Pepsi. I understand and respect that. It doesn’t mean they are lazy or myopic.

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  59. Chesire11 says:

    “Obama can ONLY be a charlatan, a trojan horse. Otherwise, he would not be where he is today. He simply would not have been allowed to get to the doors of the White House.
    Sorry folks, but if you think otherwise, you simply haven’t been paying attention. To have any faith in these bastards, at this point, is naive and inexplicable. If you’re waving pom-poms for ANY of these three, you’re just part of the circus.”
    Kind of reminds me of 2000, when the Naderites condescendingly assured us that there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats, between Bush and Gore.
    Unbounded cynicism is just as lazy, myopic and dangerous as wide-eyed innocence, but without the charm. It is not without reason that despair is considered a sin.

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  60. Tahoe Editor says:

    funny

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  61. Ahmad says:

    Morton, I would have liked for him to discuss his own failings as opposed to his grand mother’s.
    He could have stated that he knew what was being preached in his church and did not appreciate how divisive that message was until he witnessed the public reaction.

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  62. ... says:

    you need to post less tahoe editor, unless you are being paid by the mccain campaign, in which case all your posts make more sense…

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  63. Tahoe Editor says:

    BO has really painted himself into a corner by portraying himself as something he’s not.
    Here’s a great recap of the whole affair from New York Magazine:
    Obama and the Insiders: Great Band Name, Bad Campaign Slogan
    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/06/obama_and_the_insiders_great_band_name_bad_campaign_slogan.html

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  64. Tahoe Editor says:

    Ex-Friends of Barack: It turns out that Jim Johnson was not the man Barack Obama thought he knew.
    Mr. Johnson now joins an intriguing and growing list of Mr. Obama’s ex-associates that includes the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Father Michael Pfleger, and former terrorist bomber William Ayers. We might call this list eclectic, except that there is a consistent pattern of BAD JUDGMENT followed by an initial defense, then followed by rapid disassociation and regret that none of them were the men Mr. Obama “knew.”
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121322730344966113.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks

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  65. Tahoe Editor says:

    Morton — tell that to Wesley Snipes.
    My question is, if you don’t like U.S. taxes and gas prices, where are you going to go? India?
    Jim Johnson’s new office space:
    http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jamesjohnsonbus.png

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  66. Tahoe Editor says:

    There’s nothing GOP about me — Steve can attest to that.
    Here’s Jim Hoagland:
    After Johnson was portrayed in the Wall Street Journal as having received favorable treatment from Countrywide Financial Corp., a mortgage company Obama has frequently attacked, the Democratic presidential candidate immediately labeled Johnson as being only “tangentially related to our campaign.”
    Shifting into overdrive, Obama added that “these aren’t folks who are working for me,” referring to Johnson and his two associates on the vice presidential vetting team, Caroline Kennedy and Eric Holder.
    It was enough to make you wonder if the three had somehow broken into Obama’s office, stolen his letterhead stationery and appointed themselves to interview the capital’s good and great about who should join Obama on the Democratic ticket.
    But what is important here is what this incident says about Obama, not about Johnson. The senator’s initial reaction was to portray himself as too busy to keep up with the obscure financial doings of people who are not significant to the campaign and to belittle the media for asking him to “vet the vetters.”
    To treat Johnson, Holder and Kennedy suddenly as mere fact-checkers is as disingenuous as it is ungracious. Obama is clearly the most intelligent candidate of either party since Bill Clinton. But he can outsmart himself if he goes on expecting the media and the public to accept just about any explanation he gives.
    Yes, he can.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/11/AR2008061103170.html

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  67. via says:

    If only his courage would inspire House and Senate leadership, who still are painfully afraid of even Bush’s shadow.
    With McCain’s talk of offering Dick Cheney a spot in his administration, it is even more imperative that the House Judiciary Committee hold impeachment inquiry hearings. There should be no possibility of Cheney continuing to poison this country should the Republicans stage a false-flag attack and manage to steal another election.

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  68. Kathleen says:

    POA.. remember when Swiftboater Jonathan Moseley reared his ugly head at me? My computer got hacked at the same time. Yesterday the House was debating gov’t computers getting hacked with the same Malware. They think it’s China. I think it’s Moseley’s Legal Affairs Council doing what they euphemistically call “interactive advertising”.

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  69. Morton says:

    “Keep us paying taxes at an outrageous rate(highway robbery
    really,I pay 28% myself and there’s no law saying I have to pay
    taxes and I read that the Amendement regarding Federal Income
    Taxes never had enough votes to be ratified),”
    Here we go.
    There is no such thing as income tax and no one owes it. So tax
    protestors can’t be protesting because there’s nothing to protest
    against!
    Also the 16th amendment isn’t really an amendment because
    the folks in Ohio never ratified it, but everyone has been
    pretending that it was.
    And there is no law saying you have to pay your taxes, or even
    file, so please everyone, just stop it!
    This your brain on the Internet.

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  70. Kathleen says:

    Ahmad… you just tied my brain cells into a knot. Tahoe Editor, if Howard Dean is a pit bull and Obama is an Afghan Hound, you’re a Republican posing as a Hillary supporter, but then maybe you like Bob Barr? We all knew you wouldn;’t be voting Dem..

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  71. karenk says:

    BEST comment was by samuel burke. That IS how they control us. Keep us paying taxes at an outrageous rate(highway robbery really,I pay 28% myself and there’s no law saying I have to pay taxes and I read that the Amendement regarding Federal Income Taxes never had enough votes to be ratified), working to pay off debt(average American is $10-15,000 in credit card debt! thankfully I’m not one of them), and trying to pay the bills which rise in price(gas food) higher than the raise at work). And it all works out so perfect for those in power. The average person is so busy running the treadmill they don’t have time to really pay attention to what our govt is really doing. Gotta go now and get to work!

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  72. Tahoe Editor says:

    The Philadelphia race speech was a cynical attempt to spread blame and responsibility for racial tensions among all Americans, rather than calling out his 20-year pastor/baptizer/officiant for fanning the flames with hate and lies to build his mansion and amass a fleet of Mercedes.
    If Howard Dean is a pit bull, Obama is an Afghan hound.

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  73. Ahmad says:

    POA, FYI my comment was about Obama and not about Hillary, or McCain.
    Your long post basically implies that presidents are selected through a media conspiracy and the citizenry is too stupid to do anything about it. If this is true, you are an idiot for not finding your peace with this self fulfilling prophecy. If it is not true, then obviously you are an idiot for insisting that it is. Try to wrap your brain cells around that one.

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  74. Morton says:

    “Outing his own grandmother as a racist for political gain spoke
    volumes about Obama’s character.”
    This is most certainly NOT what Obama was doing here. He was
    talking about the complexity of human beings–of being able to
    love others close to us who have serious failings.
    What possible political gain did Obama get from bringing his
    grandmother into the conversation? He was talking about his
    experience. That shouldn’t be too hard to see.

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  75. PissedOffAmerican says:

    You know, it is really quite simple. The fact that George Bush is still this nation’s president lends the lie to this whole sordid charade. And all these fancy terms and policy suggestions offered up by the think tanks, and all this idiotic and pseudo-patriotic campaign festivities don’t change the facts one single bit. If this nation was what it claimed itself to be, George Bush would have been out on his ass years ago, and these fucking posturing frauds, Hillary, Obama, and McCain would be telling us what they intended to do about restoring the checks and balances, and insuring against ANY executive Administration being able to exercise such unchecked power ever again.

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  76. PissedOffAmerican says:

    I rest my case.
    Ahmad’s comment really underscores EXACTLY what I am talking about.
    Does this Ahmad yahoo expect such a base and shallow comment to convince the reader that somehow Hillary or McCain are morally superior to Obama? Certainly there are no shortage of bodies to be pointed to, thrown under the bus by both Hillary and McCain. These two, in this respect, are different from Obama?
    Sorry, but I just can’t coerce myself into willfully disengaging enough of my brain cells to continue to buy into this shit. Gads, we seem to be a nation of blathering idiots, being herded over a cliff.

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  77. Don Bacon says:

    Obama has made it abundantly clear that he is not a progressive and that his main schtick wil be to cooperate with knuckle-draggers. He has advocated aggression against Iran and Pakistan and has promised to leave troops in Iraq. Domestically he has proposed nothing on executive privilege, Patriot Act, free corporate trade, or education but he has promised to expand and modernize the military, continue corporate welfare and expand the crooked medical insurance industry.
    Oh, but there’s Hope — he has fired the mortgage-tainted prima donna that he previously hired. Big cheer, everyone. Let’s hear it for the man with Hope.

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  78. Ahmad says:

    Outing his own grandmother as a racist for political gain spoke volumes about Obama’s character.
    The German Shepard analogy does not work since that poor dog was obviously trying to protect the owner and not itself. I am still waiting to hear or read about Obama doing anything for anyone besides Obama.

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  79. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Obama didn’t get to the doors of the White House by buckin’the status quo. The self same media that has abetted these criminals on the right CREATED this wonderboy sensation Obama in record time, just in time for the ’08 race. That should worry even the densest American that still harbors some faith in these posturing politicos.
    Reading the commentary of these slobbering fans of either the right or the left leaves little room for any confidence in the intelligence of anyone still buying into this horseshit. And when reading the despicably prolific swiftboating of these people like Tahoe Editor, or the contrived and sacharin “I’m justa good little concerned American Joe” crap that those such as Wigwag offer here, one cannot even discern true alliances or advocations, because the fans are as slimey as the politicos they endorse.
    Then you have these complete wackjobs like kotzabasis, who can’t seem to get their brain cells around the obvious and simple fact that their particular heroes, (namely these treasonous pieces of shit that have ruled supreme these last eight years), have created the biggest clusterfuck in american history, and if not decapitated soon, will likely push this nation to ruin. (If in fact we can recover from the damage they have already done.)
    Truly, the only thing more disheartening than a reasonably informed examination of the last eight years of our government’s actions is a reasonably informed examination of the last eight years of our citizen’s, (and, in turn, their so called representative’s), inactions. When you add the shameless and naive cheerleading we see for the status quo by these jackasses, described above, it is extremely difficult to entertain any sort of faith that things will change, or that our nation can once again be set on the course the founders envisioned.
    If Obama was the knight in shining armor that some of you seem to believe he is, he would have been relegated to the same media fabricated backpage looney bin that Kucinich and Paul were pigeon holed into.
    Obama can ONLY be a charlatan, a trojan horse. Otherwise, he would not be where he is today. He simply would not have been allowed to get to the doors of the White House.
    Sorry folks, but if you think otherwise, you simply haven’t been paying attention. To have any faith in these bastards, at this point, is naive and inexplicable. If you’re waving pom-poms for ANY of these three, you’re just part of the circus.

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  80. rich says:

    Well, they’re Hopeful Fangs.
    Even George Will noted Obama’s “tempered steel” lurking behind Reaganesque “silk suits” at the end of a recent column. Which is a surpise, given Will continually mistakes erudition for moral rectitude.
    Steve, take a close look at Obama’s actual language, which is much more direct than most perceive. It’s not the delivery. It’s the syntax. Obama does not bludgeon unsubtly by saying “That man is a jackass!” Nor is he indirect: he doesn’t hedge or obfuscate. Rather, Obama will say “Someone who kicks like a mule when our country’s in trouble is a donkey.” He doesn’t couch it with “It seems to me ..” or euphemize with “donkey” as often as you’d think.
    But the full sentence containing the ‘Why’ of it makes all the difference. We’re so used to pols & pundits slamming with all-out abusive labels, that actual functional syntax seeems somehow subtle, indirect, vague.
    I had the same reaction for awhile. Look a little closer at Obama’s actual words, and you’ll see fangs. What’s interesting is, they don’t come across as problematic or provocative simply because he speaks in complete sentences that define his line of thinking–but don’t soften them with ameliorating language.

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  81. Informed Lawyer says:

    In a recent article entitled, Lifestyles of the 2008 Presidential Candidates – How Our Potential Presidents Live in Real Life, AOL Money and Finance (June 3, 2008), Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama reveals that one of his ”personal heroes’ is famous Spanish Surrealist artist Pablo Picasso.
    For Obama, Picasso’s Surrealism Has Strong Aesthetic & Political Undertones: What Would ‘Reality’ Mean to an Obama Administration?
    Americans have a right to know…

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  82. kotzabasis says:

    Don’t overbuild your hopes Steve as Obama’s fangs have a boomerang shape.

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  83. ... says:

    carroll, also not reported is that liarman had asked obama back in his reelection campaign agianst lamont if obama could help him out, which he did…now that is gratitude for ya, liarman style… speaking of liarman, i see there are a few of his types in the room here!

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  84. Mr.Murder says:

    David Axelrod, Daler PR director, Obama Campaign Director, Exelon front office man
    He isn’t a lobbyist, he’s just with the power company.
    All your borgs are belong to ours.

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  85. Carroll says:

    Heheheh…I don’t think Obama is the whimpy elite the right hopes he is. After all here is guy who has lived in Muslim lands having a Christian mother, in Christian lands having a Muslim father, lived as half white, half black…and worst of all, lived all this while having an unforgivable superior intellect to most of the people he was around.
    Trust me, this guy is bound to have developed “cool” to the nth degree in order to survive and have some moves unfamiliar to the Lieberman girly boys….
    Roll Call:
    “In a move that could further imperil his already weakened status in the Democratic Caucus and fuel talk about his split loyalties, Sen. Joe Lieberman (ID-Conn.) Wednesday took center stage in the GOP’s mounting attacks on the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.).
    Lieberman participated in a media conference call Wednesday morning organized by House Minority Chief Deputy Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) criticizing Obama’s stance on the Middle East.
    Lieberman’s criticisms came in response to Obama’s speech before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which was his first major address after claiming his party’s nomination late Tuesday night.
    (here’s the good part)
    During a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman by the hand to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.
    While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.
    Using forceful, but not angry, hand gestures, Obama literally backed up Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances.
    Still, Obama and Lieberman seemed to be trying to keep the back-and-forth congenial as they both patted each other on the back during and after the exchange.”
    What this version doesn’t report is that another senator came over to the pair and pointed up to the galley where the press was….evidently afraid this would be reported..and it was. LOL
    Sic ’em Barack.

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  86. getreal says:

    Steve,
    Get F’ing real, man. You praise the guy for issuing a tough press release but you don’t question his judgement for choosing one of the ulimate corrupt Washington insiders to vet his VP choices.
    Obama based his primary campaign on 1) bringing change to DC, 2) he was an outsider not corrupted by Washington and 3) that he and people were squeaky clean. The Johnson episode fails on all three points.
    I feel sorry for all the lefty eggheads who think that their Messiah is really different. They are going to be very dissapointed over the next five months and Obama flips on every position and premise that helped him win the primary.

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  87. Zathras says:

    There are campaign professionals who are deeply impressed that anyone knows the difference between Mauritius and Mauritania. Then there is Steve Clemons, who is filled with hope because Sen. Obama’s campaign organization has a 21st-century war room able to launch timely counterattacks on the McCain campaign.
    If I were him, I might be just a little concerned about how quickly Sen. Obama distances himself from anyone who disturbs the purity of his campaign narrative. Actually, I might be a little concerned about this if I were Michelle Obama. I give him Rev. Wright, though he only developed a problem with Wright after his spiritual mentor got in the way of the campaign. But Samantha Power and Jim Johnson got made into one-day stories because Obama was willing to drop them before they became two-day stories, something that suggests appointees in an Obama administration should rent, and keep their formal “I don’t want to become a distraction” letters in their top desk drawers.
    Deep into an era in which the business of the permanent campaign has overwhelmed the business of government, I’m unimpressed by the prospect of a new President who has mastered the first and expects us to believe this means he has the hang of the second. Historically, in the second, Presidents have done best when they have found ways to stick up for their people. So far, it doesn’t look as if Barack Obama is that kind of guy.

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  88. Carroll says:

    I see Obama as more of a German Shepard or Doberman than a pit bull. A pit bull wandered onto our property once and was doing that pawing the ground attack thing and my shepard launched himself into the air grabbed him behind the neck, smushed his head into the ground and wouldn’t get off of him. The bull looked like he was frozen, he hardly made a wiggle, just made a choking sound. We couldn’t make Chucka let go, we poured water on him, tried to pry his mouth off his neck but every time we though he was about to let go he just grabbed a bigger chunk out of the dog’s neck…….finally the bull’s owner showed up and with him holding the bull and me putting a blindfold over Chucka’s eyes I was able to drag him off the dog. We ended up paying the vet bill for the pit bull, even though he wandered onto our property unattended.
    Yep I see Obama as a shepard.

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  89. Matt says:

    Ah, so Tahoe Editor, you’re not voting Democrat in the next election? Interesting, that. Can’t say I’m too surprised though.

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  90. samuel burke says:

    i sure as hell hope youre right about abama having something
    that resembles balls….someone has to stand up to these
    bastages who trample on the constitution that the forefathers of
    this nation assembled.
    the constitution of this nation is some kind of handywork…in
    over two hundred years no interest has been able to usurp the
    bulwarks the forefathers set up to keep some tyrant from taking
    all power and ruling us like slaves…although taxes and payment
    of debt to the federal itself has served as an end-round and
    might prove to be the thing that ultimately proves to be the one
    way to usurp that masterpiece of governance.

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  91. Tahoe Editor says:

    uh, no

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  92. Matt says:

    Tahoe Editor,
    Is it safe to say you support Obama now?

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  93. DonS says:

    Since we are already OT, I want to link to this post, via Think Progress, with regard to the admin prepositioning its way to conflict with Iran via the SOFA:
    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/11/iran-war-iraq-sofa/

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  94. Tahoe Editor says:

    Gambling in casinos?! The outrage game bites Obama — TIME MAGAZINE
    “Politicians deploy righteous indignation like college students use credit cards—to excess and with abandon. For such seasoned performers, the emotion is easy to muster, and there are few upfront costs. Rail against powerful interests or the mendacity of your opponent on the stump, and the crowd goes nuts.
    “But there are sometimes hidden costs in the fine print, interest payments not due for months, especially when the outrage is calculated for maximum political effect.”
    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1813602,00.html

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