Note to Hillary Clinton: Time to Do Israel/Palestine the DoD Way

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Hillary Clinton just met with Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and here is the pro forma “read out” of the meeting which the State Department distributed:

Prime Minister Netanyahu and Secretary Clinton had a good discussion today, with a friendly and productive exchange of views on both sides. Secretary Clinton reiterated the United States’ unshakable commitment to Israel’s security and to peace in the region.
The Prime Minister and the Secretary agreed on the importance of continuing direct negotiations to achieve our goals. The Secretary reiterated that “the United States believes that through good-faith negotiations, the parties can mutually agree on an outcome which ends the conflict and reconciles the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state, based on the 1967 lines, with agreed swaps, and the Israeli goal of a Jewish state with secure and recognized borders that reflect subsequent developments and meet Israeli security requirements.” Those requirements will be fully taken into account in any future peace agreement.
The discussions between the Prime Minister and the Secretary focused on creating the conditions for the resumption of direct negotiations aimed at producing a two-state solution. Their teams will work closely together in the coming days toward that end.

This kind of statement that appears to say that the US and Israel agreed on some principles about direct negotiations leading to a two state outcome really says almost nothing.
Nonetheless, Israel-Palestine “is” a defining challenge for the Obama administration.
I’m in Abu Dhabi now and have had a number of conversations in less than a day here in which UAE government officials have emphasized that the fastest and most efficacious way to constructively confront Iran’s growing power in the region is for the US to pull off a real breakthrough in the Israel/Palestine two state standoff.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is giving this peace process some of her considerable muscle — but to be blunt, she has done nothing yet that reflects a change in strategy, personnel, inclusion of negotiating participants, or anything from what was underway before her involvement and earlier failures.
General Anthony Zinni once told me that the real weakness of the State Department is that it rarely gamed out scenarios and didn’t do what the Department of Defense did in considering a lot of different strategies that consider various key inputs in a war game simulation. Zinni may be on to something.
DoD scenarios allow virtually every kind of option to be considered. A DoD style scenario exercise would consider various strategies to either put Hamas on a track that would lead to inclusive negotiations or would consider through a cost/benefit calculation how to make the isolation of Hamas less beneficial to their obvious growing power and legitimacy. A DoD scenario would consider the economic, strategic and political factors in trying to either undermine Netanyahu and his government, move closer to it, or provide a mixed approach.
Hillary Clinton would be smart to assemble a group of people with whom she does not agree on Israel/Palestine and engage in some real simulation discussions of alternative tracks to get Israel and Palestine to “yes” on a two-state arrangement. The room should include the folks who have been part of the infrastructure of the past but should also include those who have strong disagreements with the current policy — and various scenarios should be played out with the Secretary listening and learning.
My sense is that this has not yet happened and needs to. When I heard recently that Andrew Shapiro’s policy guidance to Hillary Clinton on Israel/Palestine matters had not changed from what he gave her in the US Senate to what he feeds her today at the State Department, it became clear to me that the cocoon Secretary Clinton is on Israel/Palestine issues needs some new inputs.
— Steve Clemons

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57 comments on “Note to Hillary Clinton: Time to Do Israel/Palestine the DoD Way

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  3. leanspa says:

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  4. Carroll says:

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  5. nadine says:

    Walter Russell Mead:
    “Here are some of the questions [Obama] should ask himself:
    Why has all the

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  6. Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle says:

    Nadine:
    Claire Berlinski is a neo-con tool. If you believe anything she says, I feel sorry for you. She has no credibility.

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  7. samuelburke says:

    Our good friends the israelis’ and their fraternal counterparts
    here in the states…with friends like these the U.S really does not
    need any other enemies. One within One without.
    “The personal and financial details that take up much of the
    deposition seemed to be tense at times, with flare ups between
    the attorneys of both sides. But the court papers also shed light
    on the events surrounding the FBI visit to Rosen

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  8. samuelburke says:

    nadine is channeling her feminine compassionate side again.
    “Aw, gee, maybe they should have taken advantage of the situation
    when Obama was going to bat for them, instead of ANNOUNCING,
    like Abu Mazen did, that they intended to sit on their duffs and wait
    for Obama to do their negotiating for them and give them
    concessions for free; while they themselves refused to even
    negotiate.”

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  9. Sand says:

    DonS, wow! just hopped over to the FDL link — Some interesting tribalism going on over there, coz if it’s not tribalism I don’t know what else it could be? Supposed progressives going hell for leather being an apologist for the Republican — the guy who will most likely be the Majority leader — Wow!

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  10. Sand says:

    “…Then why is Cantor’s office doing some splainin,…”
    Seems like Cantor got caught with his pants down, also maybe some of the Jewish political elite wanted to put him in his place? After all, I’m still amazed Ackerman’s little ‘moonlighting’ work on the side — when he called to arms for a meeting in ‘Jerusalem’ wasn’t covered in the mainstream media. Noting how the ‘media’ can be so ‘selective’ sometimes.
    http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/06/09/2739534/ackerman-calls-on-jewish-lawmakers-to-meet-in-jerusalem

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  11. Sand says:

    “…Then why is Cantor’s office doing some splainin,…”
    Seems like Cantor got caught with his pants down, also maybe some of the Jewish political elite wanted to put him in his place? After all, I’m still amazed Ackerman’s little ‘moonlighting’ work on the side — when he called to arms for a meeting in ‘Jerusalem’ wasn’t covered in the mainstream media. Noting how the ‘media’ can be so ‘selective’ sometimes.
    http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/06/09/2739534/ackerman-calls-on-jewish-lawmakers-to-meet-in-jerusalem

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  12. nadine says:

    “**the United States is not anymore considered a fair mediator that the Palestinians can count on to achieve their dreams and aspirations**”
    Aw, gee, maybe they should have taken advantage of the situation when Obama was going to bat for them, instead of ANNOUNCING, like Abu Mazen did, that they intended to sit on their duffs and wait for Obama to do their negotiating for them and give them concessions for free; while they themselves refused to even negotiate.
    Abba Eban is always being proved right: the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

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  13. DonS says:

    “Eric Cantor is old news”
    Then why is Cantor’s office doing some splainin, although I would call it dissembling to the point of incredulity:
    Cantor spokesperson Brad Dayspring told The Washington Post that Cantor’s comment to Netanyahu that the new Republican majority in the house ‘will serve as a check on the Administration’ was ‘not in relation to U.S./Israel relations.’
    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/cantor-spox-clarifies-check-comments-goper-made-to-netanyahu.php
    Maybe because, while the lobby would never permit anything untoward to happen to it’s puppets, it could make a juicy political issue if Obama [and any other dems NOT wholly owned by the lobby] had a better grasp of the issues and how to address the serious issues involved. Some even say impeach Cantor, though I disagree with this FDL writer to the extent that it’s not just the far right who is off the rails when it comes to Israel:
    http://firedoglake.com/2010/11/14/eric-cantor-r-va-should-be-impeached/

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  14. Sand says:

    Eric Cantor is old news – Specter had been doing Israel’s business for years in the Senate.
    In fact, the old boy is free do as he pleases now — maybe Cantor should resign and do the same. Oh yes, but duh! — then he wouldn’t have the ‘leverage’ to drag us into ‘bad’ foreign policy decisions on Israel’s behalf.
    — Specter and Assad meet, discuss peace broker role
    By Sarah Freishtat

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  15. samuelburke says:

    hypocrisy is ingrained, you are either born with it or learnt it from
    your kinfolk.
    in some special cases it’s both.

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  16. Kathleen says:

    Clemons “Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is giving this peace process some of her considerable muscle — but to be blunt, she has done nothing yet that reflects a change in strategy, personnel, inclusion of negotiating participants, or anything from what was underway before her involvement and earlier failures.”
    Have heard Obama and Clinton say that the ongoing expansion of illegal settlements are “not helpful” Whoa such strong language. Know that Clinton and Obama get that Aipac, Jinsa, ADL control some of the purse strings but the environment the depth of understanding about the conflict out past those purse strings has really changed. On college campuses, listen to c-span’s Washington Journal, many more phone calls criticizing Israel, conversations about Israel’s illegal and immoral activities that took place behind closed doors happening in schools, churches, synagogues, mosque out on the streets.
    The facts on the ground being discussed. The cat is out of the bag on Israel’s apartheid methods being used for decades. Israel and the I lobby are not going to be able to put that cat back in the bag

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  17. Kathleen says:

    Clemons “I’m in Abu Dhabi now and have had a number of conversations in less than a day here in which UAE government officials have emphasized that the fastest and most efficacious way to constructively confront Iran’s growing power in the region is for the US to pull off a real breakthrough in the Israel/Palestine two state standoff.”
    How many experts and middle east leaders do we have to hear repeat deal fairly with the I/P issue and the majority of anger, hatred, efforts to blow up Americans and others will come to a halt. Former head of the CIA Bin Laden unit Micheal Scheruer, Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, Queen Noor, Former President Jimmy Carter, and more recently Former President Bill Clinton. How many times do we have to hear this before a deal is sealed?

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  18. nadine says:

    “Last year in Cairo President Obama called for a new beginning in the Middle East after years of mistrust, but in practice the highly touted US sponsorship of I/P peace talks while the Muslim world sees continued US favoritism toward Israel actually increases mistrust.” (Don Bacon)
    Yes, and Obama called for Egypt and Saudi Arabia to make gestures – mere gestures, mind – to ‘change the tone’. What did he get? Less than nothing! Lectures and tirades!
    We give $2 billion a year to Egypt. Saudi Arabia wouldn’t exist without US military protection. We give hundreds of millions to the PA. Those are facts. So, how come we’re “too close” to Israel but can’t get the time of day from Egypt and Saudi Arabia and PA? How come “closeness” operates in only one direction?
    It’s high time the world told the Arabs that if they want protection from Iran, it’s time to stop playing fantasy politics and call a spade a spade. Israel isn’t going away. They can’t kill it and the nobody else will kill it for them. Time to grow up and face reality.

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  19. Don Bacon says:

    This Cantor business is one more reason, as if any were needed, why the US should not be involved in I/P talks since it is so close to one of the involved parties (and so far from the other party).
    It is detrimental to US world interests. So why do it?
    Oh, that’s right, it’s a cover for the Israeli takeover of all of Palestine, protecting Israel from any real mediation or any demands about adhering to UN mandates.

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  20. downtown says:

    Talking to Nadine about Palestinians is like talking to Fred Phelps about homosexuals.

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  21. Neo Controll says:

    Ain’t got no shame yet, eh Nadine? Any you think I’m the hypocrite. Why don’t you address Bibi’s playing the Congress against the Administration” Why don’t you address Cantor’s collaboration? Some might call it treason? Still peddling the partisan line. Be better if you peddled it from Tel Aviv. Like dual national Bibi; with those American college loans and multiple unaccounted for names to his SSN.,

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  22. Don Bacon says:

    Last year in Cairo President Obama called for a new beginning in the Middle East after years of mistrust, but in practice the highly touted US sponsorship of I/P peace talks while the Muslim world sees continued US favoritism toward Israel actually increases mistrust.
    The most recent news on the talks originates not from Washington, — no, not from the US which is sponsoring the talks, where one would expect the news to come from, but from Jerusalem.
    Two things wrong (at least two).
    First, the US has repeatedly said that it is only facilitating the I/P talks, and wouldn’t even attend all of them. Even the words mediation and arbitration were never used, only facilitating.
    Second, the US recently held extensive talks with one of the negotiating parties, Israel, but had nothing to say about them. Mr. Crowley: “But as we

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  23. nadine says:

    “I’m in Abu Dhabi now and have had a number of conversations in less than a day here in which UAE government officials have emphasized that the fastest and most efficacious way to constructively confront Iran’s growing power in the region is for the US to pull off a real breakthrough in the Israel/Palestine two state standoff.” (Steve Clemons)
    Next time somebody feeds you this line (and a well-worn line it is), ask him what his government is prepared to do to help, if they want this breakthrough so much. After all, they want something done about Iran, so what’s the quid pro quo?
    The answer, as always: less than nothing. You may be sure his government will call any Arab making any compromise a traitor, to protect itself from the radicals. Wait and see. Geeze, isn’t there any limit to this mug’s game?

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  24. nadine says:

    Yes, neo, we know that TRUE patriotism consists of supporting al Qaeda against a US army in the field. The bigger the fascist, the more Americans he’s killed, the more you love him.
    Gawd, how many treacherous Dems went to Baghdad to fawn over Saddam? or to Syria to fawn over Assad? Remember Nancy Pelosi in Damascus and Baghdad Jim McDermott and Harry “This War is Lost!” Reid? and now you DARE complain because Cantor doesn’t approve of Obama’s egotistical, idiotic, total failure of a foreign policy?
    For eight years under Bush, dissent was “patriotic.” But under Obama dissent is treachery.
    What a utter hypocrite you are.

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  25. Neo Controll says:

    Hasbara central still working on a response? Treason is so hard to minimize.
    – NCHQ

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  26. DakotabornKansan says:

    Re: post by weenie wonk
    Sampling of definitions of “weenie” per Urban Dictionary:
    1. an insult used by pre-schoolers, such as,

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  27. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Just a little curious…
    How come just about everytime there is a crime ring busted for organ trafficking, there is some bloodsuckin’ Israeli involved?
    And why is this fuckin’ ghoul Chertoff, who is a citizen of Israel, in the catbird seat as far as the scanning machines go?
    Not bad, eh, the son of a bitch, when employed by the government is highly instrumental in getting these intrusive technological machines installed in our airports, (to say nothing about selling this bullshit scam known as the GWOT), then, when leaving the government, he gets rich offa FUCKING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC into being visually raped everytime they wanna get on an airplane.
    Whats with these Israelis? They are becoming despicable on every level.

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  28. observer says:

    Steve Clemens:
    The Arabs are telling you what you want to hear; hiding behind Iran.
    You (US) do not have the power to compell Israel to do any thing – least of all withdrawal from the Ocuppied Territories.
    My suggestion to you is that at least put some political distance between yourselves and Israel so that you will not incur more anger and hatred against US.

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  29. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Here is Cantor, ADMITTING to a felony, if his own definition of “felony” is to be taken seriously……
    http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=11&year=2010&base_name=eric_cantor_and_the_logan_act#122474
    And, as an aside, he is also pointing out that John McCain and Joe Lieberman are felons as well…..
    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/01/lieberman-and-mccain-back-netanyahu-against-obama-in-israel.html
    Steve didn’t have anything to say about it when McCain was over in Israel undermining a position that Steve seems to support. Apparently McCain isn’t as homophobic as we would imagine, considering he is more than willing to bend over for Bibi Netanyahu.

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  30. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Here is a glimpse into what modern day Israel is becoming, with the complicity of those such as Clinton, Biden, Hoyer, Schumer, Cantor, etc. And, of course, the efforts of that ilk is aided by the complete and utter political cowardice of Barack Obama.
    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/twilight-zone-safed-a-war-story-1.324313

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  31. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Here is the piece of shit Cantor’s phone numbers. Give him a ring and tell the scumbag how much we appreciate him representing ISRAEL in OUR House.
    4201 Dominion Blvd, #110
    Glen Allen, VA 23060
    P: 804.747-4073
    F: 804.747-5308
    Culpeper
    763 Madison Rd #207
    Culpeper, VA 22701
    P: 540.825-8960
    F: 540.825-8964
    Washington, DC
    329 Cannon Building
    Washington, DC 20515
    P: 202.225-2815
    F: 202.225-0011

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  32. Neo Controll says:

    Can we get an ‘Amen!’ from the neocon corner?
    –NCHQ

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  33. DakotabornKansan says:
  34. Mladen says:

    They are not gaming out scenarios because there are only two good outcomes for Israel:
    1) Division of land by border of 1967
    2) One state (whole of old Cisjordan) with Jewish minority of population, but majority of economic power.
    Impossible long term outcomes:
    a) Since Kosovo affair ethnic cleansing is out of table. Ethnic cleansing would be reversed at least by total economic embargo by most world countries (EU included).
    b) Nobody can deny refugee right of return to Palestine (either by scenario 1 or 2)
    c) With current situation Europe sees Israel more and more as “Just another Middle-Eastern country”.
    d) Muslim world becomes totally united in opposition to Israel’s policies.
    Bottom line (in the long run): Israel can survive for a while as inflamed appendix to USA. As a price, USA might keep few clients but no other real friend in Middle East. By that moment, settlements made division of land impossible.
    However, keep in mind that US politics sometimes flips like an iceberg. If USA cuts Israel at that point you are left with heavily armed (including nuclear ICBM) country with messianic government and totally isolated from rest of the world.

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  35. nadine says:

    “Nothing’s changed. We know that the US, because of domestic politics, can have only one client and it isn’t a solution — it’s Israel.” (Don Bacon)
    We know Aaron David Miller’s opinion of the peace process has changed, because he told us so. He no longer believes in it, and not because America is too close to Israel, either.

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  36. DonS says:

    Cantor’s office says ‘no’, it’s not what you think. I’m not selling out the US to a foreign power..
    http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2010/11/11/2741711/candid-cantor
    Pretty pathetic, no, that the incoming Majority Leader of the US House has to explain that he really wasn’t sucking up to Bibi’s butt as much as it seemed.
    Must be the media’s fault. We all know how anti Israel the media is, after all.

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  37. DakotabornKansan says:

    Eric Cantor has Netanyahu

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  38. DakotabornKansan says:

    Living in Bubbles

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  39. sanitychecker says:

    The only difference between my saying that I can bring about a two-state solution and Obama’s saying it is that there are still idiots out there who believe Obama.

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  40. DonS says:

    per DBK @ 3:22
    “[Politico’s Laura] Rozen also noted that a

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  41. DakotabornKansan says:
  42. non-hater says:

    “One wonders exactly which, if any, levers of power could be a factor in cutting through the massive onesidedness on the Issue of Israel?” -DonS
    Perhaps a major scandal, where a senior political appointee or a member of Congress is found to have passed critical state secrets to Israel via AIPAC. But I doubt even that would change the dynamics. I can see nothing, absolutely nothing internal to the US that will bring about a two-state solution anytime in the near future. When the US becomes a majority-minority country the governing coalition might take a different position on the conflict. But that won’t happen until 2037 or thereabouts.

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  43. samuelburke says:

    from mondoweiss.net
    On Wednesday, the New York Times did a piece quoting Netanyahu’s speech before the General Assembly of the Jewish Federations in New Orleans and didn’t mention that young Jewish activists repeatedly heckled the PM, even as the disruption was all that anyone was talking about. I went to aliyah event at NYU on Wednesday and a leader of the event had been in New Orleans, and the demonstrators were the first thing he talked about.
    I left that event to hear the Israeli blogger Noam Sheizaf speak a few blocks away at NYU. He also talked about the hecklers and the differing media realities:
    From my perspective as a social media person, I am less and less interested… in the complicated manuevering between Netanyahu and Abu Mazen. And frankly I think most people got to the point where they are fed up with it, on both sides, and in Washington as well, and I think most of you have read the same stories for years about it. I’m interested in the person who was evacuated from his house in Jerusalem where he lived for 30 years to make way for a settler family last week. That’s what interests me. And these are the social media stories. I would like to make a prediction. I will guess that you will hear more and more [of this type of] stories about Israel soon, and they will become the stories of the mainstream media as well..
    Sheizaf (who started Promised Land two years ago, and helped start 972 more recently) was part of a debate sponsored by Rabbis for Human Rights about Israel’s image in the media. (Parts of the exchange are on Youtube here.) His opponent was a former Israeli consulate official, David Saranga, and Sheizaf’s theme was the power of social media to upend the official narrative.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2010/11/blogger-sheizaf-would-rather-write-about-cinema-but-he-has-been-called-to-witness-a-great-crime.html

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  44. Don Bacon says:

    from WaPo, a few years ago–
    Israel’s Lawyer
    By Aaron David Miller
    Monday, May 23, 2005
    I’m not a lawyer by training, but I know one when I see one. For far too long, many American officials involved in Arab-Israeli peacemaking, myself included, have acted as Israel’s attorney, catering and coordinating with the Israelis at the expense of successful peace negotiations. If the United States wants to be an honest and effective broker on the Arab-Israeli issue, than surely it can have only one client: the pursuit of a solution that meets the needs and requirements of both sides. ///(end report)
    Nothing’s changed. We know that the US, because of domestic politics, can have only one client and it isn’t a solution — it’s Israel.

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  45. DonS says:

    MJ also keeps hoping Obama will get the message, and a backbone. Reflecting on Netanyahu’s latest affront to the US, he notes:
    “All this presents Obama with the first opportunity, post-election, to demonstrate how he will deal with the right-wing opposition through 2012. He can slap Bibi down hard, slow down the US aid train, and, make it clear that he is reassessing relations until Netanyahu backs down.
    [snip]
    “Re-evaluating US policy toward Israel now is the best thing Obama can do for himself politically and for the United States strategically.”
    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/10/netanyahus_drop_dead_to_us_gives_obama_an_opportun/
    Of course, following MJ’s advice, would be over Hillary’s substantial corpus. But it’s the credibility and security of the nation we’re talking about. And MJ sees it as a political winner for Obama. I can hear the chuckles, make that guffaws, over at AIPAC.

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  46. Don Bacon says:

    A “Bobo” doll is a large inflated plastic clown with a weighted base. The “Bobo” doll is pleasant to hit because it always bounces back up.
    news report
    Obama, today: “I guess what I’m saying is, that I actually think that my relationships have grown much stronger with the people who I’ve worked with here,” Obama said, referring to fellow developed and developing country leaders.
    Obama also cited a similar connection with two leaders with whom he has found areas of agreement but some sharp policy differences — German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
    He said he felt the same level of comfort with his host, South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak — even though the pair failed to conclude a high-stakes US-Korea free trade pact in talks on Thursday.(end report)
    If Obama got a level of comfort from three world leaders who have recently stiffed him he’s going to be very comfortable with failure on I/P, plus the battering he’s in for from the Repubs back in Washington.
    For one thing, Rep. Darrell Issa of the House oversight committee has promised hundreds of hearings looking into all of Obama’s sweetheart deals with bankers and others who have benefited big-time from his brief presidency. That’ll surely keep Obama in his comfort zone.
    If only the press would report the truth, like they do in China. “There’s a spin cycle that is going on 24 hours a day, seven days a week,” he told a Chinese journalist. “And I think that in this media environment, it is in some ways more challenging to make sure that your message and your intentions are getting out in a consistent basis.” http://tinyurl.com/22nbc9z

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  47. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Clinton Makes Additional Security Pledges to Israel Over Peace Talks
    US Reportedly Adding Large Amounts of Weapons to Israel Stockpile
    by Jason Ditz, November 11, 2010
    Though for all intents and purposes the peace talks appear to be fully dead, the Obama Administration is continuing to make additional pledges to visiting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, assuring him of further US largesse in return for a peace deal that is seemingly not coming.
    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was up to make promises today, assuring Netanyahu of America

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  48. JamesL says:

    The Pentagon games all Americans, plays them like a harp, ensuring the continuation of the income torrent, and the myth that the US military has a net positive effect.
    America is now Israel’s poodle. Poodle trainers and lovers are a normal part of American life. One can train poodles to do almost anything. They really are quite an exceptional animal.
    The current Mid East impasse is really a grand tetany of the US politic, led in no small part by Republicans who place the failure of the Obama Presidency, and a presumed subsequent, glorious rise of the GOP to power, higher than the survival of the nation. In response, the Dems have milled about. The GOP, who think they just won an election, promise more of the same.
    If the US remains unable shake off its political shortsightedness and catatony

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  49. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Good catch, Don B. It exhibits EXACTLY the dgree of “work” these pieces of shit like Clinton are willing to put into resolving this issue. They can’t even rewrite contrite and mewling past press releases, even as Netanyhu executes and maims American citizens, all the while shitting in the hand of the President Of the United States over the settlement issue.
    Hillary is complicit in this affront to the dignity and power of our President. But then again, so is the pathetic coward Obama.

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  50. Don Bacon says:

    Yesterday’s State Department press release was a cut-and-paste job from a year ago. No mention of settlements; they’re simply going through the motions to cover Israel’s takeover of all of Palestine.
    Here’s the BS that lives on, year after year, word by word:
    “. . .through good-faith negotiations, the parties can mutually agree on an outcome which ends the conflict and reconciles the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state, based on the 1967 lines, with agreed swaps, and the Israeli goal of a Jewish state with secure and recognized borders that reflect subsequent developments and meet Israeli security requirements.”
    November 11, 2010
    The Prime Minister and the Secretary agreed on the importance of continuing direct negotiations to achieve our goals. The Secretary reiterated that “the United States believes that through good-faith negotiations, the parties can mutually agree on an outcome which ends the conflict and reconciles the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state, based on the 1967 lines, with agreed swaps, and the Israeli goal of a Jewish state with secure and recognized borders that reflect subsequent developments and meet Israeli security requirements.”//
    November 25, 2009
    Today

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  51. DonS says:

    “But let’s get real. Why has the sponsorship of Israel-Palestine negotiations accrued to the US, an avowed partner of Israel, instead of to a neutral party? To give Israel cover to realize its takeover of all of Palestine, that’s why. The Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden play-acting is just that, a cover for Israel.” (Don B)
    “The only state that can pressure Israel into accepting something like the Arab Peace Initiative is the United States. But that will never happen because the Christianists control the Republican Party, and rabidly pro-Likud Jews are an integral part of the Democratic fundraising machine. Talk of war-gaming new strategies won’t lead to anything because there just is no way to break the current political impass until the United States’ geopolitical status changes drastically.” (non-hater)
    These about sum it up. One can argue whether Obama, or any politico, is sincere about resolving I/P. But in the political environment, such sincerity as there is either a charade or a pyrrhic exercise. There is neither the political muscle nor the political will in the US to pressure Israel meaningfully.
    One can argue that there is really no meaningful Israel lobby, as questions does, but then how does one account for the unique status of the US in the world as Israel’s alter ego, with a political machinery that promotes Israel’s preeminence, and blocks Israel’s acquiescence to international law and opinion? Or that accounts, as the subject of this post indicates, for defacto, and dejure policies detrimental to the interests of the US?
    I run through that sequence not to rant about the existence or nonexistent of the Lobby, but to say, whatever the cause, that pro Likud politics trumps all other ME politics in the US. That can’t be healthy.
    One, of course, must automatically discount the propaganda of the Israel firsters, like the Nadines and Wigwags, who simply fill the continuing need for providing a pseudo rationale for the defacto Likudist dominance. They are of course heady with the power the Likudist juggernaut wields within the American body politic, but they have lost all credibility because of their demonstrated primary allegiance to Israel.
    I run through that sequence not to further demean the Israel firsters, but because they play an important role in covering for the christianists and the politicians in general.
    Steve Clemons suggesting that State incorporate DOD style gaming and analysis, another one of Steve’s attempts to frame I/P as a legitimate quandary, legitimately ‘worked on’ within the system, is in itself another reminder of the exhausting degree to which I/P critique-ers go in an attempt to move the system. And probably futile.
    One wonders exactly which, if any, levers of power could be a factor in cutting through the massive onesidedness on the Issue of Israel? Maybe Steve has a clue, but I wouldn’t expect him to share it here. He clearly shows a frustration with State, or more accurately Hillary (truth is there may be some careerists at State who see the picture but have not power). Aren’t we all. It seems almost desperation to look to the MI stronghold of DOD as an alternative, though I realize Steve’s point is for more ruthless analysis as the basis for potential change.

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  52. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “This kind of statement that appears to say that the US and Israel agreed on some principles about direct negotiations leading to a two state outcome really says almost nothing”
    Actually, it says EVERYTHING about Hillary’s efforts on this issue. Like Netanyahu, Hillary can’t wait until Obama slinks out of office, so that this tepid and ridiculous consideration for the “plight of the Palestinians” can once again be cast aside, and she won’t have to precede every critical sentence with “I have been instructed to tell you”.

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  53. non-hater says:

    Steve – like Generalissimo Franco, the two state solution continues to be dead. The options available to the Palestinians are still: bantustans, expulsion, or full citizenship in a multi-cultural state. The only state that can pressure Israel into accepting something like the Arab Peace Initiative is the United States. But that will never happen because the Christianists control the Republican Party, and rabidly pro-Likud Jews are an integral part of the Democratic fundraising machine. Talk of war-gaming new strategies won’t lead to anything because there just is no way to break the current political impass until the United States’ geopolitical status changes drastically.

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  54. samuelburke says:

    Steve says..General Anthony Zinni once told me that the real
    weakness of the State Department is that it rarely gamed out
    scenarios and didn’t do what the Department of Defense did in
    considering a lot of different strategies that consider various key
    inputs in a war game simulation. Zinni may be on to something.
    Ask General Zinni how all that gaming out of scenarios has
    worked out for the pentagon with regards to their middle east
    incursions i.e iraq, afghanistan, pakistan etc…and what did all
    that gaming do for them in vietnam…and to continue with the
    querying, why not ask him why, if the pentagon is so slick,
    didn’t they learn anything from the vietnam experience other
    than how to control the news sources, in other words…lie and
    get the press to follow suit.
    The think tanks have gamed the pentagon, and political
    contributions have trumped the moral conscience of the ship of
    state if ever it had one.
    tell zinni that the myth of a good and benevolent america is as
    false as the great and wonderful oz.
    maybe a moral conscience can accomplish more than all the
    famous pentagon gaming ever can.

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  55. samuelburke says:

    The elephant in the room is coming into view.
    http://www.jeremiahhaber.com/
    “For the first time ever, American and Israeli Jews interrupted the
    Prime Minister of Israel’s Address to the General Assembly of the
    North American Jewish Federations with a simple message: The
    actions of the Israeli government are delegitimizing the State of
    Israel.
    In fact, what they said is what many Israelis say, and what the
    pro-Israel and pro-peace lobby J-Street also says. Some will
    disagree with their tactics, but the sad truth is that for too long
    Jews have said, privately, that they disagree with the Occupation

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  56. nadine says:

    Very informative report from Istabul by a reporter who lives there. Definitely a view that should be heard. If Claire Berlinksi is remotely close to correct, then the lazy pack of the Western MSM is totally misreporting the Turkish situation:
    “Istanbul: Press Freedom Alla Turca
    CLAIRE BERLINSKI
    September 2010
    Deep ignorance: Most Turks know nothing about what really happened on the “Mavi Marmara”
    In May, a ship full of civilians

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  57. Don Bacon says:

    Gee, I wonder why, with all that great DOD scenario gaming, the Pentagon has never been successful at anything. If the Pentagon were in charge, all of Palestine would (like Iraq, and Syria, and soon Lebanon) belong to Iran.
    But let’s get real. Why has the sponsorship of Israel-Palestine negotiations accrued to the US, an avowed partner of Israel, instead of to a neutral party? To give Israel cover to realize its takeover of all of Palestine, that’s why. The Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden play-acting is just that, a cover for Israel.
    And it’s working just fine, without new inputs,toward Israel’s goal — one state. Israel’s critical security needs require it to control all of Palestine, as described in this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytWmPqY8TE0&feature=player_embedded

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