Neocons Dumping Bush

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Now, the perpetrators of the Iraq War, of the “axis of evil” speech, of the “Iraq will be a cake-walk” line are dumping on Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney. They are jumping ship in order to try and save themselves and opportunities for neocons to influence future governments.
Thousands have died unnecessarily because of the combination of incompetence in this administration and because of the cheerleading for this war that David Frum and other of his fellow travelers called for. His glib admissions of failure and his recrimination of President Bush are not enough.
Perle’s comments about the “dysfuntional” Bush presidency are really lamentations that Bush was ‘not neocon enough.’ The divisions in government he referred to focus on Condi Rice, Powell and others who got in the way of neocon plans — so don’t view the Vanity Fair revisionism by neocons as anything other than a survival strategy and regret that they didn’t get to launch more wars against more nations when they had the chance.
— Steve Clemons

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18 comments on “Neocons Dumping Bush

  1. Dennis says:

    Bush should have listened to Pat Buchanan and the folks at the American Conservative Magazine. Their contention has always been that Neocons are not conservatives at all. Pearle, Wolofowitz, Ledeen etc. have attempted to hijack the conservative movement and the Republican Party. Maybe neocons should be called neoliberals.

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  2. Cleanse says:

    “Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein is sentenced to death by hanging after being convicted of crimes against humanity ….” BBC
    One down, one to go; our very own.

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  3. JS says:

    The only question I have is……
    Will the Bush administration go down as one of the most dysfunctional, most disliked, and most caustic administrations in history?
    Does Bush actually listen to what he says in campaign speeches?
    It doesnt matter if Democrats dont have a strategy for Iraq, they didnt create the mess, but if were going to do anything to save ourselves, we need them to re-manage it.r
    I cant believe some of those middle class families believe his speil about tax cuts…..

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  4. Xanthippas says:

    Agreed Eli. The least they could do is shut up and retire to quiet jobs where they have no influence upon anyone.

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  5. Eli Rabett says:

    These people have no honor. If they did, how could they live with what they have done?

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  6. Jim Ramsey says:

    There are so many ironies here, I hardly know where to begin.
    The neocons seem to be stuck in “Rain Dance Psychology” mode.
    1. You perform the rain dance and it rains. The rain dance worked!
    2. You perform the rain dance and it doesn’t rain. You did not perform the rain dance properly.
    Then there’s the fact that we treated the rest of the world with arrogance and disdain and then are surprised when it isn’t lined up waiting to help us.
    Reality has no sense of party loyalty. If you ignore it, it will screw you.
    Finally, in reading through the various gyrations of the Vanity Fair article, I was struck by the fact that the total lack of capacity for critical thought shown by these guys just about guarantees that they will fail at anything they try. There only hope is that their ideology may align with reality, and that’s a pretty slim hope.

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  7. Carroll says:

    I don’t think any (sane) person reading here is prone to mistake this for anything but a gambit for the future. Likewise, without seeking to “Israelize” another thread, few here would deceive ourselves that unless and until the AIPAC vise grip on politics, that the neocons stoked to the max, is broken, will fundamental rearrangement of foreign policy be possible.
    Posted by DonS at November 4, 2006 03:32 PM
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    I agree and would also apply that to several other foreign centers of influence.
    But to my simple mind nothing is lining up right for that to happen in the political arena, even though the AIPAC/Israeli subject is heating up in cetain sectors of policy and among the public.
    Actually I am becoming more distrubed by the dems than the repubs on foreign influence/AIPAC issue.
    I could be all wrong and this doesn’t apply to 100% of either party, but it has seemed to me that the repubs are more motivated by their own war hawkish version of American might and empire than they are the Israeli fetish, and the Israeli fetish is more a tool for repubs than an “ideology”.
    The Dems I see as more motivated by the Israeli fetish “ideology” than they are the concept of American empire..so for them it is “both” an ideology and a tool for their political power.
    I see more signs of the repubs being pulled back (by their elders) from the Israeli fetish because it is now turning against their American empire interest, not helping it.
    While I see the Israeli fetish even more entrenched in the dems with no realistic (real world consequences to the US) having any impact at all on their “ideological” support of Israel.
    I do have the feeling that sooner or later that perect storm convergence will come about, maybe by an Iran war or something else damaging and then Truth and Consequences will begin and if we are lucky we will also be able to drag the US weapons industry into the fray.

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  8. white collour says:

    “Thousands have died unnecessarily because of the combination of incompetence in this administration and because of the cheerleading for this war ….”
    ALL that have died in the Iraq War have died unnecessarily since this war was surely decided upon immediately after 9/11 and most likely seriously contemplated before that. And Bush and his henchman manipulated intelligence and lied to everyone about WMD because it was the best way to sell their war. The war was entered into under false pretenses and was not a “last resort” as Bush said lyingly, but the only resort. It was war first and foremost no matter what, and that is why ALL who have died have died for a lie, thus unnecessarily.
    Bush must be “punished” but only “punished” as would fit his high office and social standing. MAKE HIM WEAR AN ANKLE BRACELET FOR 43 MONTHS WHILE CONFINED TO HIS RANCH IN CRAWFORD TEXAS after a full and fair trial that will surely convict him of being responsible for the unnecessary deaths of 100,000+.
    Satan Laughing Spreads His Wings !!

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  9. eCAHNomics says:

    Let the Scapegoatfest begin.
    1. Neocons blame Bush.
    2. Military blames Rumsfeld.
    3. Beohner blames military.
    4. I blame Clinton because he signed the Iraq regime change legislation. (Don’t miss the sarcasm).
    5. Etc., etc., etc.
    The alert ones got a jump on the election because they knew that W couldn’t start getting in his digs until after the election.

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  10. Carroll says:

    TOTALLY AGREE.
    The neo’s have been trying to cover their asses for some time now…while they try to move their influence into the Dem party. They have been working on that move for the past year and a half. The words are different but their intentions are the same. Putting all the blame on clueless Bush helps their cause…to retain their heads and positions and keep pushing their same old agenda.
    I don’t trust the politically expedient dems to hang these assholes. Cover up and maintain the status quo of “influences” is the name of the game for both parties. But we will see. Come Tuesday I am voting for my lonely little southern repub congressman, the only politican in congress who called Perle a liar in the house hearings and held him responsible for Americans deaths in Iraq.
    Rove can’t be too smart or he’d tell Bush the only way to save himself or the GOP is to throw the neo’s to the wolves. Distract the nation by declaring you were undermined and lied to by Unamerican agents of influence, people you trusted who betrayed you and the country. You would get a lot of sympathy George, no one likes to see a good ole boy taken advantage of by slick talking con artist. Have them all rounded up and frog marched to some nice cell to await their trials for treason or whatever else you and Yoo can think up. You can be a hero Georgie, the prez who caught onto the real terrorist plot and saved Amurkia! Imagine the press!..the media!..the talking heads…the fear!.. and then the relief as America is saved from the enemy within! It’s pure Hollywood George, it would make Barbara happy to see her boy vindicated, and last but not least George, it’s the right thing to do. Do it George, save yourself.

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  11. DonS says:

    I don’t think any (sane) person reading here is prone to mistake this for anything but a gambit for the future. Likewise, without seeking to “Israelize” another thread, few here would deceive ourselves that unless and until the AIPAC vise grip on politics, that the neocons stoked to the max, is broken, will fundamental rearrangement of foreign policy be possible.

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  12. km4 says:

    China pledges billions to Africa
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061104/ap_on_re_as/china_africa
    Remember how America became great doing this in the 1950’s, 1960’s, 1970’s, 1980’s and 1990’s ?
    Then we got Bush and the Neocons in 2000 t6o wage perpetual war and along with their cronsies loot the US Treasury and its been a fast downhill ever since.
    Our great country has degenerated so far and so fast on the world scene uunder Bushco that we now have China being totally opportunistic and filling this gaping void
    A hypocritical tidbit feom this article…
    World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz accused Chinese banks last month of ignoring human rights and environmental standards in Africa. He warned
    that their surge in lending could fuel corruption and debt burdens.
    Yes Paul Wolfowitz should know since he is a corrupt and despicable character

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  13. Homer says:

    POA: After all, what person will want to be held historically responsible for this escalating clusterfuck in Iraq, which shows every possibility of being the spark that ignites all of the middle east?
    That is easy to answer: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George W. Bush, Condi Rice, et al.
    They *actually* believe that the clusterfuk in the ME is going to magically transform in due time into a thriving hot bed of Western values.
    What a bunch of MORONS!!
    They all should be renditioned to Iraq and tossed into the streets of Bagdhad and sacrifice themselves for their own vision instead of fooling some poor bastard from the South to do that for them.

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  14. Matthew says:

    Ah, the neo-cons’ Leninist pedigree is showing. I just wonder which one of these clowns believed that they could train wheat to grow in tundra, i.e., advance the “glorious struggle for democracy.” Better to ditch Bush than the failed idea….The Revolution has been betrayed!

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  15. Pissed Off American says:

    Steve, have you seen the article on “Editor and Publisher” that describes this Sunday’s NYT’s article about Chalabi’s new stance?
    You know, we might get lucky, and these monsters might just start feeding on each other. As you well know, I am not an optimistic camper when it comes to my observance of the current course of our nation, and the possibility that these bastards will be held accountable. But if the infighting becomes heated enough, perhaps one of these slimey ingrates will become disenfranchized enough to begin to spill the beans about the criminal machinations that comprised the Bush Administration’s rationale for the invasion of Iraq. Imagine what the impact would be if Chalabi began to reveal the content of his confidential conversations with the Bush Administration, or iif Perle or Wolfowitz did the same. Regardless, it is obvious that the rats are all jumping ship, and as the Iraq situation worsens, (which it inevitably will), it may well become an “everyman for himself” kind of political battlefield. After all, what person will want to be held historically responsible for this escalating clusterfuck in Iraq, which shows every possibility of being the spark that ignites all of the middle east?
    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if a Congress comprised of Democrats provided the incentive for some of the neo-con to come clean with the American people??? What would such an “incentive” consist of??? Well, strong and immediate criminal indictments against some of the key players in presenting he American people with the criminally misrepresented rationale for the invasion of Iraq, for starters.
    But hey, thats just wishful thinking on my part. I doubt these mewling cowards in the so called “opposition party” have the gonads for it, even if they reclaim the majority. The most we can hope for in respect for “accountability” for these treasonous bastards in the Bush Administration will be how history presents them to our grandchildren. And, undoubtedly, that presentation will NOT include a chapter about thier indictment and incarceration. Mores the pity, because if they are not held accountable before the law, than our Constitution, and the very foundation of our Democracy, is nothing more than a sham.
    http://tinyurl.com/yzf4es
    “‘NYT’ Sunday Preview: Ahmad Chalabi Says, ‘The Real Culprit is Wolfowitz'”

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  16. Homer says:

    Steve: Condi Rice, Powell and others who got in the way of neocon plans
    Got in the way?
    Uttering baseless threats of mushroom clouds is hardly getting in the way of the Neocons.
    Plus, it is no secret at all that Dr Rice basically spit in the face of her *anti-Neocon* mentor Scrowcroft who is known as a Realist which is often juxtaposed against Neocon.
    Having stuck the dagger in his back and rejected most of what he had imparted to her, she morphed into a Neoneocon nation-builder with jack-boots who vociferously cheered that war in Iraq would help make democracy blossom throughout the Middle East.
    The world would actually be a different place had she not flip-flopped.

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  17. karenk says:

    Let ’em suffer for the wrong things they’ve done. For some of us who thought invading Iraq was a BAD IDEA from the start, we did our suffering when the first mention of it was made, cause the REAL bad guy(OBL) was still out there. Now is the time to watch with glee as they hang themselves with all the rope they’ve been given. Ah yes, what comes around really does go around.

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  18. jbCharleston says:

    Steve, I read that article last evening and came to the same conclusions. Then this morning (always best to let something mull in the mind), I posit that there was another, even more self-preserving, motive. They are keenly aware that a D House means testifying under oath as to their actions. Knowing this, they really can’t meet and get their stories (err.. alibis) straight – possibly leaving them open to charges of collusion. So what better way to swap alibis than to put them into the media. They never have to meet since they’re doing it in broad daylight. Slick and slimy as always…

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