National Security According to Dick Cheney

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Cheney.jpgDick Cheney’s post-office media tour has reached an unprecedented level. Today the American Enterprise Institute hosted the suddenly chatty former vice-president for a speech on national security. This was conveniently scheduled to air immediately after President Obama’s national security speech at the Archives. While this face-off was interesting and clearly presented both sides of the complicated national security discussion, I’d give anything to see a real Cheney-Obama debate. But, of course, the President has more important things to do than go back and forth with the former vice president on the merit of his national security policies.
Rarely known to mince words, Cheney targeted his speech at specific actions and political enemies with laser-like precision. He took on Obama, Nancy Pelosi – though not by name, the New York Times, and just about every anti-torture argument of recent months. I would like to call special attention to the assertion Cheney made today which has become a mantra amongst those seeking to defend the Bush legacy.

“To the very end of our Administration, we kept al-Qaeda terrorists busy with other problems. We focused on getting their secrets, instead of sharing ours with them. And on our watch, they never hit this country again. After the most lethal and devastating terrorist attack ever, seven and a half years without a repeat is not a record to be rebuked and scorned, much less criminalized.”
Technically the gist of this statement is correct. There has not been another attack on US soil since September 11th 2001, but to say that al-Qaeda has not “hit” us since that fateful day is just plain wrong. Al-Qaeda and various like-minded organizations have killed just under 5,000 US soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is nearly double the number of casualties we suffered in the attacks of 9/11. Most American citizens would consider this a substantial hit. Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations no longer need to board a plane or work their way through customs and border patrol to attack American citizens. Elaborate plans have been abandoned for teenage recruits with suicide jackets.
The loss of civilian life in Iraq and Afghanistan is also alarmingly high. An estimated 100,000 civilians have died in Iraq since the launch of Operation Iraqi Freedom. And around 2,000 civilians are killed each year in Afghanistan as a side effect of Operation Enduring Freedom. While the responsibility of these civilian deaths is not to be laid squarely on the United States, I think these innocent victims are another “hit” to the U.S. that Cheney has conveniently overlooked.
— Faith Smith

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32 comments on “National Security According to Dick Cheney

  1. David says:

    The b******* is trying to lay a trap for Obama, a trap which depends on another terrorist attack occurring in the next 7 years. I do not know whether he simply believes it will happen, or he’s playing the odds. I’m not quite prepared to believe he would wish another attack. In fact I suspect he was so unhinged by the idea that an attack, any attack, could occur on American soil, when we are supposed to be moat-protected by two oceans from terrorists, that he has gone over the edge. Whatever the case, what was done on his watch made us less safe, and now he is doing his best to discredit the President of the United States as commander-in-chief and the person most directly responsible to the security and safety of America. Fair enough if Obama were utterly misguided and essentially incompetent as a geopolitical strategist and he had a track record as the great American architect of genuine national security and sound foreign policy. Given that just the opposite is the case, he really should do America and the world a favor and stfu. But he won’t. So it is up to Colin Powell, David Petraeus, Robert Gates, and the not-Bill Kristols to de-legitimize Cheney and his ilk.
    And Obama has to get it right. There is no alternative.

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  2. sasha says:

    This guy just doesn’t know when to shut up does he?

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  3. Mr.Murder says:

    Cheney is non pluasible, so they can elevate nice guy Powell and Newt(move affairs in while his wifey is on her deathbed) Gingrich can be resurrected.
    Either one of those asshats care to discuss any defense policy board reviews? What about OSP?
    They caused this quagmire, both disqualified ever serving publicly again. Nice of Barack to help you, Colin.
    Schadenfreude, it’s what’s force fed for dinner before waterboarding.

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  4. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Sorry Mr. Obama but you haven’t a clue
    Yadayadayad…and you think you can talk to these people? Yadayadayadayada…he may mean well, but so naive to think we can talk
    to these people.
    “We had a saying in Israel…. wine and dine with them, and always walk out backwards. Golda Meyer said, “This war has been going on long before Munich: AND, it will never
    stop until they learn to love their children more than they hate
    us.””
    Amazing. I lament the quality of Chinese construction materials, and I’m immediately branded a bigot. But this racist moron can get on here and feed us a litany of “these people” racism, and nary a peep from the accusing peanut gallery.

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  5. Outraged American says:

    Ms. Smith, people fighting for their homes and family are “like-
    minded” with Al Qaeda? Does the word “insurgency” ring a bell?
    WE INVADED THEM, remember? People defending their land
    tend to fight for their loved ones and belongings.
    100,000 Iraq civilians dead? A study done by Johns Hopkins
    University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health published in
    October of 2006 (so around two-and-half years ago for those of
    you whose math appears to be as faulty as Ms. Smith’s) put the
    count of Iraqi civilians killed as a result of the second U.S. led
    invasion at 655,000.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
    dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html
    As to Afghanistan, we “don’t do” body counts there, but just a
    quick glance at antiwar.com everyday would reveal that 2000/
    year estimate of Afghans killed each year would be LOW-balling
    the death count. REALLY low-balling the Afghan death count.
    It’s more like 2000 every two months at least.
    And now we’ve added innocents in Pakistan under Obama
    What party did the man who dropped The Bomb belong to?
    What party did the man who faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident in
    order to escalate the Vietnam “conflict” belong to?
    Cheney is pure evil. But the Dems are not getting us out of Iraq,
    stopping all torture or closing Gitmo. Instead the Dems are
    actively seeking an escalation of this misguided U.S./ Israeli
    Jihad into Pakistan and Iran, with the net result being the
    destruction of the world as we’ve known it.

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  6. questions says:

    And Sally,
    If your IQ were 200, it would merely mean that at the chronological age of 60, you have the mental age of 120. Not sure that means much. It might be significant if a 10 year old thinks like a 20 year old. But for a 20 year old to think like a 40 year old, not so much.
    IQ is a largely discredited notion. If you wish to defend yourself here, get facts and reason straight. Claims about IQ don’t go very far, nor can they be proven.
    One more Saturday morning smile!
    http://www.matematicapenet.ro/files/2009/02/5.pdf

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  7. questions says:

    Sally Roberts,
    A side note. Please learn more about ACORN before you rip them. ACORN is a low-income housing support group. ACORN workers help low income people deal with foreclosures and other housing issues.
    As a secondary operation, they register people to vote. Some of their workers do a poor job of motivating themselves to get up in the late morning, collect their documents and go out and register people. Further, some ACORN offices pay people based on quotas of signatures rather than by the hour. There’s a strong incentive, then, for the workers to fill out forms with, say, the names of Disney characters or football players.
    Federal law MANDATES that all filled-out forms be turned in regardless of their legitimacy. So even if an office worker notices that Mickey Mouse has registered for the 79th time today, that office worker is required BY LAW to turn in the registration forms of all 79 members of the Mouse family. (Too poor to afford multiple first names, even. So sad.)
    Anyway, when ACORN turns in Mickey Mouse’s nth registration form, ACORN is obeying federal law. It’s up to local registrars to deal with the forms at that point.
    Please note that Mickey Mouse never shows up to vote. ACORN does not commit voter fraud, nor does it commit registration fraud.
    ACORN workers occasionally defraud ACORN. That is, ACORN is a victim of fraud, not a perpetrator of fraud.
    Were the federal government and state governments more proactive in registering all of the eligible voters in the country, say, at high school graduations, check cashing places, banks, grocery stores, bus stops, doctors’ offices, emergency rooms and any other nodal points through which people pass, then ACORN could go back to merely doing its housing assistance work.
    Again, the crime is perpetrated against ACORN by a few ACORN workers, NOT BY ACORN against local governments.
    Best to get your facts straight occasionally.

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  8. Sally says:

    IQ 170 …. listen to everyone… you are showing your LACK of
    intelligence. Like all the lefty loons you just have to be nasty… I say
    to you. Don’t worry about it. why do you have to slam? Why do you
    have to call names? Like I said I! 170…… and listen to all sides…
    Guess you missed the part about being a Democrat all of my life.
    Man sorry I won’t offend you I will leave that to others to judge
    your smarts. God Bless YOU!
    and you say pissed off American…. pissed off at what? It is all
    going your way.
    Anyway, I have a life to live, animals to feed and friends to love.

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  9. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “….but you will never hear anyone
    on the right be so evil and hateful”
    You gotta be kidding me. Listened to Hannity or Levin lately? Oops, of course you have, you’re reciting their mantra.
    Like I said, low intelligence.

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  10. Sally says:

    I am not as you say. I am not pathetic nor a buffoon. I really
    don’t like any of the politicians. I am 60 years of age and have
    watched this country for many years. I guess I got carried away
    but why is it ok for the left (which I was) so bad mouth the right
    and not ok for the right to say a word. I am neither left nor
    right. I have no party affiliation. Not any longer. Why can
    everyone on the left bash Bush when Obama has spent ten times
    the money and bashes him at every speech and NO one can ever
    say a word? I don’t listen to those people and they are not news
    people, they are opinionated journalists. They have a right to
    their opinions …… as I to mine…. It is so obvious I found this on
    a luny left site… Look at the polls since Cheney spoke… Anyway,
    I am not going to lower myself to your remarks. I am educated,
    not political, and not a buffoon but you will never hear anyone
    on the right be so evil and hateful. Good for you. Bash some
    more…. Isn’t this AMERICA? Can’t we say what we want..? OH
    only the left can say what they want….You hate IMUS also? Have
    you heard bob dylan’s opinions? You probably only listen to
    MSNBC…..

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  11. PissedOffAmerican says:

    You just got a prime example, above, of whom Limbaugh and Hannity are talking to. No wonder these pathetic buffoons like Jindal, Palin, and Steele can find a following. There is a very strong argument that can be made that the public on the far right are of very low intelligence.

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  12. Sally says:

    AND LOL put god human being… am just so rattled… meant maybe
    Obama is a GOOD human being…….. God? I doubt it thought most
    think he is the Messiah!!! WAKE UP!!! OK I’m done…..

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  13. Sally says:

    oops misspelled MUTILATE

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  14. Sally Roberts says:

    You think water boarding is torture and it is OK to behead our
    journalists, mutiliate their own women when our brave soldiers are
    themselves water boarded! WAKE UP AMERICA or it will be our
    demise!!!!! Yes Obama is a wonderful speaker and seems to be a
    god human being. BUT, it is all about HIM and not AMERICA. You
    guys say put HIM in jail? What about Pelosi, Frank, all at ACORN.
    You all need to stop drinking your KOOLAID and WAKE UP or this
    country will be destroyed. You cannot talk to these people just as
    you could not talk with Hitler. France tried it. Hitler promised NOT
    to attack France if only they gave him the Jews, the Gypsies and
    anyone NOT Arian… Then he flattened them and the US had to
    come and save their butts. WAKE UP! GROW UP! You want these
    guys in your back yard!!!!! KEEP talking VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY!!!!

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  15. Sally Roberts says:

    Way to go Vice President Cheney! I HAD been a lifelong
    Democrat all of my life. Until GORE. I loved Mr. Cheney before he
    became Vice President and then he seemed to disappear. I
    disagreed with a lot of the Bush/Cheney administration. NOW, I
    miss them! We are not safer. Having lived in the middle east for
    many years, Mr. Cheney is absolutely right! They will NOT stop
    until we kill them all for if we don’t, they will kill us along with
    all Christians and Jews. Sorry Mr. Obama but you haven’t a clue
    and you think you can talk to these people? You are so naive.
    Listen to CHENEY! God help this country if we follow the advice
    of Obama. He may mean well, but so naive to think we can talk
    to these people. We had a saying in Israel…. wine and dine with
    them, and always walk out backwards. Golda Meyer said, “This
    war has been going on long before Munich: AND, it will never
    stop until they learn to love their children more than they hate
    us.” Talking to them ??? They are laughing at us and think we are
    weak and knowing these be heading horrid people, we are NOT
    safe. I never thought I would say this. I miss George Bush and I
    miss Dick Cheney. How many of these TERRORISTS have left
    Gitmo only to return to killing us. I’m finished with being a
    Democrat! I would like to see Dick Cheney for President!!!!!

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  16. gwazdos says:

    How soon do you expect that the War Crimes trails will begin and then soon after send Cheney to Jail for water-boarding testing so afte his first treatment he will be able to cerify that he enjoyed the experince of Water-boarding and would like it done to him weekly. We will then see how proud his behavior is for the over 4000 Americans soldiers that died due to his stupid ego fake war and financial ruin of our Country. PLease Hurry, i want to make that day a National holiday for all Americans!

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  17. kotzabasis says:

    In the past the medicine man in primitive Africa would utter a word and evil would disappear. In modern America its intellectuals by not uttering a word, terrorism or nine-eleven, would make evil disappear. American intellectuals of this sort are the true descendants of African magicians.

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  18. Mr.Murder says:

    Perhaps Ari “watch what you say” Fleischer should remind Cheney that he’s speaking bad of the President at a time of war….

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  19. Dan Kervick says:

    Good point, Kathleen. However, Obama also used the terms “terror”, “terrorism” or “terrorist” twenty-eight times in his speech yesterday.

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  20. Kathleen says:

    Cheney “9/11,9/11,9/11,9/11,9/11,9/11,9/11,9/11,9/11,9/11,”
    Did I forget to mention “9/11”

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  21. Jes says:

    Torture in any way shape or form should not be allowed in this country who screams “we have ideals and morals” because it is simply not humane. Then any “evidence” you have on a person is only to appease your already formulated opinion of them and is only meant to change the outcome of a trial (if any) to your desired result.
    Also, preventive detainment? What is that? Minority Report anyone? There is no way that should be allowed. There would be way too much power on whatever “regime” is implemented to carry it out. Anyone could have the “potential” to commit a crime and could be held indefinitely. If you are just a shifty looking person, better watch your step..
    I’m not for any of the policies heard in these “great debates”
    http://www.newsy.com/videos/u_s_security_how_far_is_too_far

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  22. rich says:

    Torture is treason.
    It boils down in whole and in part, to that one simple truth.
    Nothing precludes us from being as tough as anyone else when we resort to military means.
    But America was founded because King George III’s abuse of power, which included torture. By definition, America stands against torture, and may not engage in it. Every act of torture — and related actions such as the use of death squads — damages our national security and betrays both our soldiers and our founding in 1776.
    You can’t engage in torture and defend America at the same time. Our use of torture and our rejection of our own principles — the national sovereignty of others, mainly — has cost us for example diplomatic relations with a friendly Iran. Overthrowing the democratically-elected Mossadegh in 1953 and the decision to have the CIA train SAVAK to torture Iranian citizens was a betrayal of America. That betrayal produced the Iranian Revolution. Departing from our own democratic legal values & prohibitions resulted more than 50 years of hostile relations, damaged national security and vast economic costs.
    Even Dennis Ross was too gutless to acknowledge the American overthrow of Mossadegh when he was in New York last winter, evading our active betrayal of democracy in Iran, which directly resulted in the current hostilities. If Ross and America cannot face reality, they will never have the skill or ability to find a solution. They cannot be termed realistic or pragmatic or be said to understand the political dynamics of terrorism or democracy.
    In WWII we fought Germany because they executed a series of ‘pre-emptive’ wars on false pretenses. Now we do the same and are no different in substance: any distinction is one of degree not of kind — even the phrase ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ is a direct translation of the Gestapo’s own euphemism — a form of bureaucratic evasion that we despised with every nationalistic fiber of our American character. Now we use torture, which is the reason we hated the Germans, and even exploit the euphemism of ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ to get away with it. To lie to ourselves and pretend that’s not what we’re doing.
    We use the KGB’s torture techniques as well. We are no longer ‘defending freedom’ or even ‘defending our country’ if we have become the KGB or Gestapo in substance — even at a lesser scale. Because it is a slippery slope: Dick Cheney has already used torture for political purposes, despite the fact that torture is as ineffectual as Cheney is. He’s used it against ‘the wrong people’ forgetting that the whole point of America is that not using it against anybody is not only more productive, but is the entire purpose and definition of liberty.
    Torture is treason. Think about what we’ve asked our soldiers to do the next time you think about letting Dick Cheney off the hook for war crimes. It doesn’t work; George Washington was agin’ it. Doesn’t mean we haven’t used it for decades — see Alfred McCoy’s recent authoritative book. But never let it be said we did it for a greater good, or to defend the country, or because it was effective, or that the ends justified the means. If you want to take the position that what Germany and Japan did was fine and dandy, the methods they used were A-Ok, and that the only difference between them and us was that we won and they lost — be my guest. But my ancestors didn’t fight in the Revolutionary War so that a few chickenhawks, who don’t even understand our own country let alone the use of power, could eviscerate the meaning and substance of their sacrifice 200+ years ago.

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  23. Caitlin says:

    I’m so tired of the fight between the Obama and Bush
    administration. First of all, stop bashing each other continuously
    and move on to more pressing topics. Also, although 9/11 is a
    major historical event that should not be forgotten, it’s time to
    move forward to what is happening in our country today. Did the
    Bush administration’s “fight against terror” prevent any attacks we
    are unaware of? What was positive and negative about the policies
    that have been in place for the past eight years? And, Obama, tell
    me SPECIFICALLY what you want to change. Don’t just tell me it’s
    time for something different, we need a “change.” That doesn’t tell
    me anything. http://www.newsy.com/videos/u_s_security_how_far_is_too_far

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  24. Clay Thorp says:

    Steve,
    I’ve been waiting anxiously to hear something from you on torture. I hope to hear more about this topic from you and your associates.
    Is torture as important to anyone else around here? Next to Iraq, that has to be the most profligate action of Cheney’s stint in office.
    Gotta love David Axelrod on Hardball too.
    Cheney will defend his legacy until three squares a day, movies and a jail cell shut him up.

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  25. sbvpav says:

    two men spoke yesterday: one, duly elected by an overwhelming majority of americans in a democratically held election and peaceful transfer of power; one a former vice president/president who had eight years, did not keep us safe, lied and cherry picked us into a war killing almost 4500 young men and women and a party who campaigned for 2 years and were rejected.
    8/2001 nie memo, “bin laden determined to strike in the u.s.” derided
    richard clarke pleading for a meeting with c. rice, ignored
    clinton administration warnings to, “keep an eye on bin laden.”
    3000 innocent men, women and children not kept safe.
    “we really didn’t know much about al qaeda.”
    abu ghraib
    lack of up-armored humvees
    deficient body armor
    millions of jobs lost, thousands of homes lost, savings lost
    just who did cheney keep safe?

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  26. pauline says:

    Keith Olbermann said it best last night.
    “The former vice president has today humiliated himself beyond redemption. The delusional claims he has made this day could be proved by documentation and first-hand testimony to be the literal truth, and still he himself would be wrong, because the America he sought to impose upon the world and upon its own citizens, the dark hateful place of Dick Cheney’s own soul, the place he to this hour defends and to this day prefers, is a repudiation of all that our ancestors, all that for which our brave troops of 200 years ago and two minutes ago, have sacrificed and fought.
    I do have to congratulate you, Sir. No man living or dead could have passed the buck more often than you did in 35 minutes this morning. It’s not your fault we water-boarded people, you said. It isn’t torture, you said, even though it is based on 111 years of American military prosecutions. It was in the Constitution that you could do it, even if our laws told you, you could not. It was in the language of the 2001 military authorization you force-fed the Congress that you could do it, even if our international treaties told you, you could not.
    It produced invaluable information, you said, even though the first-hand witnesses, the interrogators of these beasts, said the information preceded the torture and ended when it began. It was authorized, you said, by careful legal opinion, even though the legal opinions were dictated by you and your cronies, and, oh by the way, the torture began before the legal opinions were even written. It was authorized, you said, and you imply even if it really wasn’t, it was done to “only detainees of the highest intelligence value.”
    It was more necessary, you said, because of the revelation of another program by the real villains, the New York Times, even though that revelation was possible because the program was detailed on the front page of the website of a defense department sub-contractor. It was all the fault of your predecessors, you said, who tried to treat terror as a “law enforcement problem,” before you came to office and rode to the rescue… after you totally ignored terrorism for the first 20 percent of your first term and the worst attack on this nation in its history unfolded on your watch.
    “9/11 caused everyone to take a serious second look at threats that had been gathering for awhile,” you said today, “and enemies whose plans were getting bolder and more sophisticated.” Gee, thanks for being motivated, by the deaths of nearly 3,000 Americans, to go so far as to “take a serious second look.” And thank you, Sir, for admitting, obviously inadvertently, that you did not take a serious first look in the seven months and 23 days between your inauguration and 9/11.
    For that attack, Sir, you are culpable, morally, ethically. At best you were guilty of malfeasance and eternally-lasting stupidity. At worst, Sir, in the deaths of 9/11, you are negligent. The circular logic, and the self-righteous sophistry, falls from a copy of Mr. Cheney’s speech like bugs from a book on a moldy shelf. He still believes in “dictators like Saddam Hussein with known ties to Mideast terrorists.” He still assumes everyone we captured is guilty without charge or trial, but that to prosecute law-breaking by government officials is “to have an incoming administration criminalize the policy decisions of its predecessors.”
    And most sleazy of all, while calling the CIA torturers “honorable,” he insists the grunts at Abu Ghraib were “a few sadistic prison guards (who) abused inmates in violation of American law, military regulations, and simple decency” even though — and maybe he doesn’t know we know this — even though there is documentary proof that those guards were acting on orders originating in the office of Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld.
    It is, in short, madness. Madness, Sir. Mr. Cheney, your speech was almost entirely about you. There are only five or six other people even mentioned, and only two quoted at any length. And why would you have quoted, as you did, the man who said this. “I know that this program saved lives. I know we’ve disrupted plots. I know this program alone is worth more than the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency put together have been able to tell us.”
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30874523/

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  27. Alberto says:

    No matter the lies Cheney spreads as he runs hither and thither, history will catch up to him. It is becoming ever clearer that poor, stupid Bush was under the spell of a Svengali. Bush’s silence has become as telling as Cheney’s bluster.

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  28. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Personally, I’d feel safer if cheney and crew were sitting in the Hague”
    And I’d feel safer if we had a President that saw the need to put them there.

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  29. sporty says:

    Somehow, I don’t think we are going to make further progress on this subject, until we change the semantics of the conversation.
    Talking about “terrorists” is like talking, more broadly, about “criminals.” And winning a “war on terror” is as unwinnable as a “war on crime,” if the benchmark for winning is “no incidents” of crime/terror. The world will never run out of fanatics or criminals.
    Cheney/Bush started 2 wars — neither are finished; both continue to be costly in terms of money and lives. — Somehow, in this 21st century it has become almost reasonable to assume that we can guarantee a safe life without pain and suffering — yet, nothing could be further from the truth. With porous borders to the south, lack of installed technology in our ports, etc — we have been lucky, that’s all.
    So, Cheney is taking a calculated risk — and will smugly assert “I told you so” if (when?) we have another “terrorist/criminal” attack. Realistically, who can stop such a thing from happening if we are to live in a free society?
    The “patriot act,” suspension of habeas corpus, spying on citizens, torture, Plame, Guantanamo, etc — anything can be defended “so that we’ll be safe” — for some people, I suppose.
    Personally, I know some day I’ll die — i.e., I’m not in denial. Perhaps it will be tomorrow at the hands of a criminal/terrorist/fanatic — who has no respect for humanity.
    But, if we continue to let cheney and his ilk dominate the conversation, with their hate, their diminution of freedoms, their disregard for the law, their torture, their controls, their debasing of the country — how will that make our lives more worth living?
    Personally, I’d feel safer if cheney and crew were sitting in the Hague.

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  30. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “There has not been another attack on US soil since September 11th 2001…..”
    I guess anthrax doesn’t count.

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  31. Mr.Murder says:

    PADUCAH, Ky. – An ex-soldier convicted of raping and killing an Iraqi teen and murdering her family was spared the death penalty Thursday and will serve a life sentence after jurors couldn’t agree unanimously on a punishment.
    Former Pfc. Steven Dale Green of Midland, Texas, will be formally sentenced Sept. 4 by U.S. District Judge Thomas B. Russell. Jurors who convicted Green on May 7 told Russell they couldn’t agree on the appropriate sentence after deliberating more than 10 hours over two days.

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  32. Mr.Murder says:

    Madrid, London.
    Those don’t count?
    Dubya had to sit in your lap to talk off the record before a “bipartisan commission’ chaired with GOP enablers?
    Color me unimpressed.
    That isn’t counting the pipeline fires in Canada or the Niagra damn power plan “explosion” on your watch.
    What aboput two stars on the DC wall after you chief of staff outed Plame, or Bolton visiting people in State who jumped off rooftops during the visit?
    You said Amb.Wilson was the result of nepotsim from his wife Valerie while you overhauled the entire IC by erecting the Dept. of Near East affairs at State and putting your daughter as its head.
    Not counting the fact you used the DoE and other Executive promotions to try and override the vote count on boards tasked with developing consensus from your apparatachiks and the various intelligence community assessments.
    Care to tell us why you demoted Richard Clarke before 9-11?

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