MILITARY PROBE: Haditha Civilians Shot Deliberately

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American soldiers shot civilians in Haditha deliberately, an investigative probe has just announced. This news should make America’s task in the Middle East easier. Not.
This war is deflating America’s purpose. Senator Max Baucus’s nephew was killed on July 29th — and announced yesterday. Perhaps he can bring it home to others in the Senate and House that this just doesn’t feel like “spreading freedom” to use George W. Bush’s words.
— Steve Clemons

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  6. Mike says:

    I’m in complete agreement with you as far as what the Iraq war is doing to undermine US foreign policy interests, but when you’re reporting news about the investigation of Marines in Haditha–news that breaks my heart as an American and as a reservist–please, don’t be flip. You’re far too eloquent a writer to lay out your consistent objections to this broken policy elsewhere, but to counter this sad news with a mocking statement and the rejoinder, “Not.”
    Be angry, but please don’t be callous. The men and women in the military are human beings put in an impossible position. Please respect the fact that the confirmation of this old news makes things worse for us, just as this war makes things worse for us all.

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  7. Maude says:

    POA,
    I’d prefer international law to procecute. That is far nastier.
    The suit against Rep. Mutrtha was ill advised.
    Murtha did not name any individual about Haditha.
    If this guy is charged and court marshalled, he just made a fool of himself.
    We are in deep trouble.
    Maude

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  8. steve duncan says:

    Isn’t the crux of the matter all Bush has to do is drag Iraq out until a successor takes over? If the new guy fails he’ll be the one remembered as losing Iraq. If he prevails or somehow improves the current situation the Right will claim Bush set the table for his success. Arbusto……..Spectrum7……Harken……Bush gets people to buy into a pending fiasco, arranges a handsome profit for himself regardless of the disaster, then bails early and leaves the ruins for others to deal with. It’s his standard M.O. and those forgetting that just don’t get it.

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  9. Pissed Off American says:

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  10. Carroll says:

    POA….I have a question for you.
    Back in 2001 I came across a small report(a long lost link now) about a General with NORAD or whatever agency is in charge of procedures for A/L hijackings changing the rules and chain of command for these incidents…to the best of my memory, this change was in early 2001..and to the best of my memory the change put Rumsfled’s office as the decision maker in responding to threats of this type.
    Do you have anything on that or remember who the General was that made that change in the prior long standing chain of command for these events?

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  11. semper fubar says:

    What I was thinking but didn’t say, POA.

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  12. semper fubar says:

    What I was thinking but didn’t say, POA.

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  13. Pissed Off American says:

    I lament the loss of ANY life in Iraq. HOWEVER, the fact that Baucus lost his nephew in Iraq is an event of the nature that is happening FAR TOO INFREQUENTLY. The majority of the hawks have neither served nor have family members serving. If there must be deaths in Iraq, let the cost be FULLY REALIZED by these lying sons of bitches that made the Iraq invasion a reality. Bush is a AWOL COWARD, whose station in life enabled him to avoid the criminal posecution that any of us would have faced had we of treated our service obligations in the same manner. Cheney had “better things to do”. The list goes on and on.
    Baucus??? Heres HIS culpability in this clusterfuck. It is only too bad that his nephew had to pay the price. Maybe now Baucus will put HIS OWN balls on the line, and oppose these traitorous monsters in the West Wing. If not, I hope his grieving is LONG AND PAINFUL, because the son of a bitch deserves it for the price his NEPHEW had to pay.
    Baucus voted….
    Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq……..
    H.J.Res. 114; Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. The administration would be required to report to Congress that diplomatic options have been exhausted before, or within 48 hours after military action has started. Every 60 days the president would also be required to submit a progress report to Congress.
    Reference: Bill H.J.RES.114 ; vote number 2002-237 on Oct 11, 2002
    Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan.
    Vote to pass a bill that would appropriate $86.5 billion in supplemental spending for military operations and reconstruction in Iraq and Afghanistan, in Fiscal 2004. The bill would provide $10.3 billion as a grant to rebuild Iraq. This includes:
    $5.1 billion for security
    $5.2 billion for reconstruction costs
    $65.6 billion for military operations and maintenance
    $1.3 billion for veterans medical care
    $10 billion as a loan that would be converted to a grant if 90% of all bilateral debt incurred by the former Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein, would have to be forgiven by other countries.
    Reference: FY04 Emergency Supplemental for Iraq and Afghanistan; Bill S1689 ; vote number 2003-400 on Oct 17, 2003
    Voted YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding.
    Amendment to express the sense of the Senate on future requests for funding for military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. A YES vote would:
    Request all future funding for ongoing military operations overseas, especially in Afghanistan and Iraq, be included in the President’s annual fiscal year budget proposal
    Call for the President to submit to Congress by Sept. 1, 2005, an amendment to his annual fiscal budget, that details estimated costs for ongoing military operations overseas.
    Ask that all future funding requests for ongoing military operations overseas appear in the appropriation bills in which such expenditures are normally included.
    Reference: Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act; Bill S.AMDT.464 to H.R.1268 ; vote number 2005-96 on Apr 20, 2005
    Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007
    Voting YEA on this amendment would establish a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. Voting NAY would keep the current situation without a timetable. The amendment states:
    The President shall redeploy, commencing in 2006, US forces from Iraq by July 1, 2007, leaving only the minimal number of forces that are critical to completing the mission of standing up Iraqi security forces and conducting specialized counterterrorism operations.
    The President should maintain an over-the-horizon troop presence to prosecute the war on terror and protect regional security interests.
    Within 30 days, the administration shall submit to Congress a report that sets forth the strategy for the redeployment of US forces from Iraq by July 1, 2007.
    Opponents of the Resolution say:
    This amendment would withdraw American forces from Iraq without regard to the real conditions on the ground.
    The consequences of an American retreat would be terrible for the security of the American people at home.
    Our commitment is not open-ended. It is conditional on the Iraqis moving toward self-government and self-defense.
    Opponents of the Resolution say:
    Congress talks almost incessantly about the situation in Iraq as if on 9/11 the situation involved Iraq. Of course, it didn’t. We were attacked by al-Qaida operating out of Afghanistan on 9/11.
    One of the theories we hear is that somehow staying in Iraq is necessary because all the terrorists will come into Iraq, and then they wouldn’t be able to attack us anywhere else. Some call this the roach-motel theory. The fact is, al-Qaida is operating in 60 to 80 countries. Yet our resources are only heavily focused on this Iraq situation.
    In terms of differences from other Iraq amendments: This is binding, not just a sense of the Senate.
    Secondly, we have a date; other amendments are open-ended.
    Thirdly, this has an over-the-horizon force specifically to protect our security interests.
    Reference: Kerry Amendment to National Defense Authorization Act; Bill S.Amdt. 4442 to S. 2766 ; vote number 2006-181 on Jun 22, 2006

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  14. semper fubar says:

    Perhaps he can bring it home to others in the Senate and House that this just doesn’t feel like “spreading freedom” to use George W. Bush’s words.
    Has Baucus turned against the war? That would be a new position for him, AFAIK.

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  15. Pissed Off American says:

    If sodomizing prisoners in our custody didn’t roll upper echelon heads, I doubt these latest revelations about atrocities committed by the boots on the ground will offend any sensitivites in the White House. (BTW, where ARE those photos of the Abu Ghraib abuses that were COURT MANDATED to be released and still haven’t seen the light of day??? Are they in the same locker that that scumball Roberts put Phase Two”??) Does anyone here seriously believe that this administration CARES how the worldwide Muslim community sees us? From Bush’s first rants about “evil-doers” to his appointment of zionist fanatics to important foreign policy cabinet positions, he has telegraphed to the world that this administration has a “fuck you” policy in place in regards to the Muslim community world wide, as well as domestically. The inevitable result of virtually ALL of Bush’s actions since 9/11 is INCREASED hostility and distrust focused at the United States. This whole clusterfuck is DESIGNED to escalate, as we now see occurring. Is this design by accident and ineptitude? Well, THIS pissed off American has a hard time accepting that premise. Such utter and complete malfeasance on such a grand scale seems highly unlikely to me. Considering Israel’s recent and ongoing adventures, (which are on a par with Hitler’s invasion of Poland), one must surely recognize that this thing is getting WORSE, not better. One can only imagine the free rein Israel is exercising in Gaza, now that the world’s eyes are on Lebanon. And Iraq?? Good God, they’re dying at a rate of over one hundred a day there, the infrastructure has failed, and there is ABSOLUTELY no end in sight, no matter what that lying evil monkey in the White House says.
    Hold onto your asses, because this is gonna get FAAAAAAR WORSE before it gets any better, if it EVER does.
    As an aside, I see the mainstream media is beginning to pick up on the FACT we were LIED TO about the events of 9/11. I have often stated that Bush and Cheney, and many others in their cabal, belong in a federal prison. That will become more apparent as the months roll on. As their criminality becomes more apparent, so too will their reasoning behind the Patriot Act, and their criminal consolidation of Executive power. The cat is crawling out of the bag, and we are soon going to see the nature of the beast.

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  16. JohnStuart says:

    Steve,
    Perhaps even more worrisome is the news coming out of the Article 32 hearing for the soldiers accused in the alleged massacre in Samarra.
    It seems that their Brigade Commander in the 101st Airborne, Colonel Michael Steele, instructed his men to kill military age Iraqi males. Col Steele reportedly kept a ‘kill board’ tallying the number of Iraqis killed by his soldiers, and gave out commemorative knives to soldiers for their kills.
    This reinforces Tom Rick’s arguments about a broad-based failure of command and leadership amongst the officer corps in Iraq.
    This is, of course, Article 32 evidence, not a final Court Martial determination.
    If true it will mark a very, very sad day for America’s ground forces.
    JohnStuart

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  17. Punchy says:

    2 comments:
    1) the military has done a fantastic job at NOT persuing trials for many of the misdeeds (see: Patt Tillman), aside from the Abu Ghraib scandal. It will be very interesting to see how far they’ll prosecute this, being how politically sensitive Iraq is right now.
    2) I’m saddened by Baucus’ loss, and stunned that “those” soliders aren’t more carefully protected. You’d think the Bush Admin would NOT want relatives of Congressmen dying in Iraq, for myriad reasons, and that they’d get gigs that kept them out of harm’s way. Apparently not. What a shame (sham?) to keep losing more guys.

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