McCain Shakes Up and Giuliani Goes Off the Deep End

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Most of the political news today is focused on the McCain staff shakeup. The departures of Terry Nelson and John Weaver are noteworthy, but the biggest news is the end of Mark Salter’s official employment with McCain. Salter has reportedly walked McCain through every significant decision he’s made and the two recently co-authored their fifth book together.
Honestly, though, I’m more interested in the Giuliani campaign news today.
My organization doesn’t endorse presidential candidates, so I’m speaking only for myself here. But boy, ever since he began his run for the presidency, Giuliani has been trying really, really hard to position himself as the “strong against terror candidate,” playing on his resume and compensating for his moderation on social issues.
I’ve been very worried that Giuliani would build on that identity by laying out a highly pugnacious, nationalist, fear-based, and unilateral foreign policy. Now it’s starting to take shape.
Sources tell me that Giuliani has looked to John Bolton in the early stages of his campaign for foreign policy advice; people at the NY Observer seem to have heard similar things. Not promising.
Giuliani put out a press release today that indicates that his campaign will be heading further in this direction:

“The Rudy Giuliani Presidential Committee announced today several members of Mayor Giuliani’s foreign policy team. The team will advise the Mayor on a foreign policy vision that advances the United States as a world leader, while expanding America’s involvement in the global economy, strengthening our reputation around the world, and keeping our country on the offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us.

Senior foreign policy team members include Norman Podhoretz and Senator Bob Kasten. Other team members include Steve Rosen, Senior Defense Advisor; Martin Kramer, Senior Middle East Advisor; S. Enders Wimbush, Senior Public Diplomacy Advisor; Peter Berkowitz, Senior Statecraft, Human Rights and Freedom Advisor; and Kim R. Holmes, a Senior Foreign Policy Advisor.”

First, “Keeping our country on the offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us” is a tagline straight out of the Rove “fear frame” playbook, designed to scare voters and put down the comprehensive, thoughtful policies we need in an interconnected world. Plus, Mr. Mayor and staff, we get that it’s a message point you want to drive home; do you really have to capitalize it every time you write it out?
Bob Kasten, one of Giuliani’s “Senior foreign policy team members” used the UN as a political football throughout his career in the Senate and was ultimately defeated by Russ Feingold for his far-out views. Kasten supported aiding the Indonesian military during its violent occupation of East Timor, started the myth that the UN Population Fund supports forced abortion, and argued that countries should be stripped of aid if they do not vote in lockstep with the U.S. in the UN General Assembly.
The other senior foreign policy team member? None other than Norm Podhoretz, the longtime Commentary editor who recently suggested that we’d be nuts not to immediately bomb Iran.
This campaign is getting scarier by the second.
— Scott Paul

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39 comments on “McCain Shakes Up and Giuliani Goes Off the Deep End

  1. MP says:

    Posted by Carroll at July 12, 2007 12:26 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Yes; I agree. No point.

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  2. Sandy says:

    Giuliani manipulating his way into the presidency terrifies me!
    Especially after reading this:
    http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=14960
    July 14, 2007
    Inside Track: Rudy’s New Foreign Policy Posse
    by Philip Giraldi
    07.12.2007
    “The naming of leading neoconservative Norman Podhoretz as one of Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani’s senior foreign policy advisers is disconcerting to those Americans who have hoped that the current disagreements with Iran might be resolved short of war. Giuliani—together with Mitt Romney and John McCain—has publicly advocated a military strike against Iran to keep it from acquiring nuclear weapons. He has also not ruled out the use of America’s own nuclear weapons if that should prove necessary to deter Tehran.
    Depending on how the situation between Washington and Tehran develops, this pledge could conceivably mean a nuclear attack on a country that has not itself attacked the United States. This would shatter the policy of only using nuclear weapons as a deterrent that has been in effect since the Second World War. It would also establish a dangerous first-strike precedent for other nuclear powers like India, China and Pakistan that might in the future feel threatened. The acquisition of Podhoretz as an adviser confirms that Giuliani’s statements should be taken seriously and are not just political rhetoric designed to obtain the support of the influential Israeli lobby….” excerpt
    A must-read!

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  3. Carroll says:

    Posted by MP at July 12, 2007 10:53
    >>>>>>>>
    That may be or is..whatever the motivation, it is really non productive toward any kind of relations except more of the same. You know they could build this somewhere else so what’s the point except to esculate already bad feelings by proving you have can your way?
    Dumb.

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  4. MP says:

    Carroll writes: “Israel asking for it, asking for it, asking for it…”
    True, but this is also a complex issue. Both sides have ignored, denigrated, and even defaced each other’s holy sites. When Jordan controlled East Jerusalem, Jews weren’t allowed to approach the Wailing Wall. Palestinians often make a big point about the Wailing Wall not being part of the Temple.
    Hopefully, the Israeli archeologists–and good sense–will prevail.

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  5. Carroll says:

    Posted by Larry Cohler-Esses at July 12, 2007 12:46 AM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Different Steve Rosen, this one is a professor at Harvard and a PNAC contributor…
    Another on there Peter Berkowitz, is one that has promoted torture as acceptable …

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  6. Carroll says:

    Huummmm…???
    Guards steal $282 million from a bank in Baghdad
    By Alissa J. Rubin Published: July 11, 2007
    BAGHDAD: In an astonishing heist, guards at a bank here made off with more than a quarter-billion dollars on Wednesday, according to an official at the Interior Ministry.
    The robbery, of $282 million from the Dar Es Salaam bank, a private financial institution, raised more questions than it answered, and officials were tight-lipped about the crime. The local police said two guards engineered the robbery, but an official at the Interior Ministry said three guards were involved.
    Both confirmed that the stolen money was in American dollars, not Iraqi dinars. It was unclear why the bank had that much money on hand in dollars, or how the robbers managed to move such a large amount without being detected.”

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  7. Larry Cohler-Esses says:

    Am I the only poster here to wonder about Steve Rosen, one of the other foreign policy advisors Giuliani has named? Does anyone know if this is the same Steve Rosen now facing a trial for violating the Espionage Act—allegedly for receiving classified information from a U.S. official and passing it on to others, including Israeli officials?

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  8. ... says:

    http://www.rudy-urbanlegend.com/
    firefighters in nyc don’t seem to think much of rudy.

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  9. Art says:

    Adman writes, “The Republicans stand no chance of winning a fair election in 2008. So what are the Republican primaries about?”
    Good point. The elections are not just about winning the election. They’re about instilling beliefs into the electorate. The key question is whether after the election the Republican Party will look good or not to the public or at least a substantial portion of it.

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  10. aileench says:

    While the U.S. government and media keep focusing on defense policies and the war in Iraq, 1.2 billion people in the world continue surviving on less than $1 dollar a day. I would like to see all presidential candidates and our politicians in general be supportive of more international affairs that affect our place in this world. We should not forget the committment made towards the U.N. Millennium Goals (a pact of ending extreme world hunger by the year 2025) in 2000. While the U.S. government and media keep focusing on defense policies and the war in Iraq, 1.2 billion people in the world continue surviving on less than $1 dollar a day. According to The Borgen Project, an annual $19 billion dollars is needed to eliminate half of the extreme poverty affecting the world by the year 2015. To my sense, it is almost unacceptable to have spent so far more than $340 billion in Iraq only, when we have more than war immunities to change the world and eliminate poverty.

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  11. Carroll says:

    Posted by MP at July 11, 2007 06:15 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    More’s the pity. I am toying with a new asassination theme…dogs trained to sniff out mental sickos instead of drugs and attack them.
    If I ever get it pefected there will be a lot of job openings in DC.

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  12. bob h says:

    Get really worried when William Kristol, now with McCain, joins Rudy.

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  13. carsick says:

    Rudolph Giuliani is bringing new meaning to Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail.

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  14. MP says:

    Carroll writes: “…he is a died in the wool raving zionist terrorist nutcase…”
    He’s not dead yet, C.

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  15. Carroll says:

    The NY Firefighters are killing Giuliani…..really killing him…..the Giuliani camps claims it’s becuase the firefighters are union members and dems.
    Goodby Rudy, you are done.
    Whew!..that was a close call..Thank you firefighters.

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  16. Carroll says:

    You just can’t make this stuff up….Israel to build a Museum of “Tolerance” on top of a Muslim Palestine cemetery, graves and all.
    “IAA approves of building museum on ancient Muslim cemetery ”
    By Meron Rapoport, Haaretz Correspondent
    The Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) told the High Court of Justice that it was prepared to allow construction of the Museum of Tolerance on the site of an ancient Muslim cemetery in Jerusalem’s Mamila area, although an important archaeologist had determined that the excavation was far from complete.
    In the opinion, to be submitted to the court Wednesday, Dr. Raphael Greenberg of Tel Aviv University states that the IAA archaeologist excavating the area wrote in his concluding report that there were at least 800 graves still left in the area and that he unequivocably recommended prohibiting construction there.
    However, an IAA report submitted to the High Court in January makes no mention of this recommendation and states there is “no need” for continued excavation, and construction of the Museum of Tolerance could proceed.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Israel asking for it, asking for it, asking for it…
    Meanwhile did you know that something called the American Heritage Abroad Agency funded by US taxpayers spends $500,000 a year to maintain jewish graves and related sites overseas?
    This would not be insignificent to me if I were a Palestine. There is no reason for this except as a deliberate injury and insult and provocation. Sometimes I think the Israelis and zionist go out of their way to destroy any part of the past and the heritages of every other race people they possibly can as pure revenge for their own loses. The US stood by while Iraq archieves were looted and destroyed and the first people they let in to survey the booty were Judith Miller and her sidekick the jewish semi historian Harold Rhodes who took away with him all the Iraq historical records and artifacts he could find.
    Not nice, not nice at all and someday…….the worm will turn.

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  17. Sandy says:

    And, the MSM just goes along….never questioning….never making the connection between now ….and then…the lead up to the War on Iraq. sigh
    Patterns
    The patterns which connect, as Bateson said.
    sigh

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  18. Carroll says:

    Our American and jewish canary in the coal mine “gets it” again………
    “Dennis Ross Packs It In”
    By M.J. Rosenberg | bio
    I had thought that former Middle East peace envoy Dennis Ross hoped to return to mediation when the next administration comes in.
    Apparently, he’s had it. He is currently in Israel chairing a major Jewish leadership conference on the future of Israel and the Jewish people — with Netanyahu, Zuckerman, top AIPAC leaders and many of the other “usual suspects. This is not the kind of thing one does if one intends to get back into the “honest broker” business.
    This is like George Mitchell (a Lebanese-American) chairing a session in Beirut on the Arab future. If he did that, Mitchell could still work on Ireland but not the Middle East.”
    >>>>>>>
    Meanwhile I am listening to the senate floor speeches in favor of Lieberman’s new amendment in the defense bill on Iran..inserting into the record that Iran is definitely killing Americans in Iraq. It doesn’t authorized a US attack on Iran but looks more like the usual first steps in the record, in the record, there to refer back to when the time comes.
    Here is how it goes….first the jewish senators like Lieberman and Kyle get up and talk about Iran “killing Americans”…then the gentile senators like McCain and Graham get up and talk about Iran trying to “destroy Israel”.
    It’s all so cute and sweet…a bycycle built for two, me for you and you for me.

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  19. Carroll says:

    Well I have done my own poll and the results say that if Giuliani and his Lukids get within a 100 miles of the WH they will all have to be premptively assassinated under our imminent threat doctrine.
    http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/?p=45#more-45

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  20. Carroll says:

    Posted by PissedOffAmerica at July 11, 2007 10:15 AM
    >>>>>>>>
    This idea is bad, very,very bad. It is another step in the concept of Isr’merica being it’s own UN and Geneva.
    If we go back to right after 911 we see the begining of the ultimate goal.
    First there was a plan to link the US and Israel and make them one and the same in the minds of the public thru the terrier war.
    Then we have a constant assault on government agencies like the State Dept. from the Cheney and Isr cabal to pull them away from their traditional thinking and duty to act for the US interest and instead act for the new “global” Isr’merica interest in a tweaked super cop role.
    Then we have the assault on the UN by various and sundry policy wonks and think tanks to “change”/”reform” the UN. Which is actually nothing but an effort by the Irs’merica group to dictate new rules to the UN that would make anything Isr/USA does “legal”.
    There are so many various cabals from the “Jerusalem Summit” people who want to create a new UN in Israel which the US and Isr would basically run, which includes members from the US congress like Brownback, to numbers of other think tanks and special cabals that are dedicated to the idea of the US and thru the US, Israel, being the supreme and only powers of the universe it is a wonder they haven’t suceeded yet.
    Everything we see happening like this is an effort by the US “empire” delusionals and the Israeli camp to literally “impose” Isr/USA domination on the entire world. No matter how they phase it or justify it that is exactly what is going on.
    Once they acheive this they can “adjust” the rules to suit any actions they take. Just like in this report, whatever rules they set, it will have “exceptions” for our actions but not for anyone else.
    I won’t call it a conspiracy because it is all out there if you know how to read thru each of the “cover” stories of these cabals to find the real goal…the scary part is for a lot of the public, they don’t sift thru all these “promotions” like this one, it doesn’t grab their attention or arouse their suspicions on first glance like the more obvious Iraq or torture
    or the threat of war with Iran.
    And doubly scary might be the well meaning people involved in US policy who would fall for much of this by not understanding the nature of the beast they are dealing with.
    I am not for any international laws revised to suit the US or new world order ordered up by US/Isr because I guarentee you the rest of the world would not tolerate it for long and would put an end to us just like they did to Germany.

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  21. Dennis says:

    Giuliani is wasting his life on this one.
    You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

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  22. bert e swanson says:

    please continue linking the past positions of support by incumbent pols to current events.
    thanks.

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  23. WhatBillOfRights says:

    Here is a video that EVERY AMERICAN MUST SEE!!!
    It’s a U.S. soldier describing the rape and subsequent soldier-forced prostitution of a 15- year-old Iraqi girl at Abu Garaib. The girl ended up hanging herself.
    PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW because I can’t see any person with a shred of decency not coming away unaffected and determined to change how we deal with Iraq.
    We as Americans need to see firsthand the tragic human impact of our actions, and this video does just that — it is beyond heartbreaking.
    http://tinyurl.com/2jwaxr
    (Courtesy of the excellent site antiwar.com)
    Again, please forward it to your contacts and websites.

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  24. PissedOffAmerica says:

    Guilianni should be languishing in prison for his role in the Bush/Whitman/EPA/Guilianni murder of first reponders and Manattan residents. Make no mistake, people are dying because of their manipulation of the air quality data.
    McCain should be put out to pasture, solely on the merit of his past comments about security conditions in Bagdad. Do we really want this guy to get his hands on the nuclear trigger when he has clearly shown us he regularly vacations in Fantasyland?
    Romney, having had stood on the national stage during the debates, blatantly lying to the American people about the conditions surrounding the prewar exit of the IAEA from Iraq, seems like he is perfectly good Presidential material. If were gonna get a damned liar in the Oval Office, (and we are), than I kinda like the idea of getting a BAD damned liar in the Oval Office. It might not make the truth any easier for us to find, but at least we’ll know what the truth isn’t.
    BTW, if you are Muslim, I would be very very afraid…..
    http://tinyurl.com/34jxjd
    ‘New rules for new wars’
    Conference brings Israeli, US experts together to ‘fine tune’ international law
    Yaakov Lappin
    The Geneva Convention on armed conflict and the 100 year-old Hague Rules on war need to be “fine tuned” to meet the challenges posed by 21st century asymmetrical warfare, Israeli and American experts said during a conference in Herzliya on Monday.
    The two-day conference, ‘New Battlefield, Old Laws,’ is being held at the Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) in Herzliya, and was jointly organized by the IDC’s International Institute for Counter Terrorism (ICT) and Syracuse University’s Institute for National Security and Counter Terrorism.
    “This conference is about the application of rules to asymmetrical war,” William Banks, Director of Institute for National Security, told Ynetnews. “It’s about finding new ways to look at rules to govern modern warfare. We hope to try and make concrete proposals for the governing of asymmetric conflict,” he added.
    When asked whether such rules could ever be relevant to terrorists, Banks replied, “This is the most difficult question. We’re looking at incentives so that the bad guys may come to the table, but it’s a very tricky business.”
    Boaz Ganor, Executive Director of the ICT, said the conference was mainly aimed at internal dialogues within democracies. “It’s not important whether terrorists respect international laws. The question is, what are our moral constraints as a democracy fighting terrorists?” he said.
    “One example is the use by the IDF of disguised commando soldiers in raids. On the face of it, the State is obliged to send soldiers that can be identified. On the other hand, we know that such a tactic allows for a surgical strike, with the least risk to Palestinian civilians. This means we need to fine tune the Geneva Conventions on army uniforms,” Ganor added.
    “We’re not calling for an abandoning of international law or an extreme change, but for an internationally accepted platform,” Ganor emphasized. “We do believe there is a need to go over international law and fine tune it,” he added.
    Mitchell Wallerstein, Dean of the Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs at Syracuse University, cited the Second Lebanon War as a good example of new types of warfare requiring new rules.
    “Last summer, the IDF faced the issue of human shields, and the storing of weapons in civilian areas. We’ve seen this in other places such as Somalia and the Balkans. We are likely to see this again,” Wallerstein said.
    “International law does not adequately deal with this issue,” he added.
    The Herzliya conference will be followed by a meeting in Washington DC in October, in which experts in international law and national security are expected to list recommendations for reforming international law on warfare.

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  25. Adman says:

    The Republicans stand no chance of winning a fair election in 2008. So what are the Republican primaries about? Here are some suggestions (I would like to know what’s really going on, but I don’t):
    1. A dry run for 2012
    2. A selection process for the man who will steal the 2008 election
    3. A selection process for the lamb to be sacrificed to the Democrats
    4. A “debate” process to raise bogus issues that Democrats will be forced to address
    5. A selection pageant to distract us from impending disaster (emergency dictatorship?)
    6. A fund-raising tool for future campaigns
    Am I leaving anything out?
    I would imagine that each candidate may be involved for different reasons, depending on how seriously he takes the process and how well he understands it. Did McCain collapse because he truly believed he could win this thing?
    We are in the midst of the Republican implosion. Giuliani, acting out his personal drama, looks to be tracing a perfect bipolar arc. Any of the Democratic candidates can wallop any of the Republican candidates in a fair fight. I hope the fight will be fair.

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  26. bakho says:

    There are few in the GOP that have a decent foreign policy perspective. Senator Lugar comes to mind, but he has had to fight the knuckle draggers in the GOP over Nunn-Lugar funding for years. Nunn-Lugar is one of the most important anti-terrorist programs and it doesn’t get enough support.
    The GOP seems to be mad at the world. That is no way to make friends.

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  27. bob h says:

    When William Kristol, now with McCain, joins Rudy, it will be really time to be scared.

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  28. Art says:

    I seriously find these candidates scary. No joke. If we give the world another George Bush type for the next eight years, there’s going to be serious consequences. I’ll say it. We’ve got a big problem in this country with people who think that foreign military actions are a good idea. I’d hoped that with the public reaction to Iraq being what it is that some of these pols would hesitate to try to sell themselves by promising more war. Unfortunately, all these guys are busy telling the public that we need more war. The public needs an education on the disadvantages of military adventurism.

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  29. max says:

    It’s all good. Bush with 29 percent approval. Giuliani off the deep end with Dr. Strangelove and company as advisors. Romney has money but no support. Olympia, Lugar, Domenici, Voinovich…they are all deserting the ship but they are all going to drown anyway. Good riddance to the lot.

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  30. Jacob Matthan says:

    The scarier part is not what Giuliani or anyone with such radical ideas says but that the media gives them full play of their space and time while giving people like Dennis Kucinich short shrift.
    It is the media which is pushing the agenda (like the invasion of Iraq) – not what the candidates stand for!
    And THAT is the fallacy of the US election system which is a far cry from DEMOCRACY!

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  31. Carroll says:

    Holy cow…I have been checking out the writtings of the others on the team…I knew Kramer was a pro Israeli pusher but you really have to read his bio and click on the links in it to some of his writtings….he is a died in the wool raving zionist terrorist nutcase and his best friend is Daniel Pipes, the Muslim hater or general all round hater of everyone but his own kind. Kramer is the one W& M accused in the Lobby Paper of being the biggest instigator of censorship of academics and universities.
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxwoc
    I tell you what, most of the presidential candidates are insane with lust for the oval office and all are willing to destroy America for just 10 minutes as commander in chief ….that’s how crazy they are.
    Everywhere Giuliani goes people ought to show up and stone him with real stones.
    Jesus!..some sane candidate has to show up and enter the presidential race…I am praying that Clark and Hagel both get in it.

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  32. Marky says:

    I think that McCain tanking now is good news for Dems with respect to Giuliani and Romney too. McCain is finally at the end of the line, in his last campaign, and he is not going to give up so early. I expect to come out attacking Mitt and Rudy with both barrels in the next few days. Let’s hope McCain does some damage to them while he goes down fighting.

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  33. JohnH says:

    Fortunately, Giuliani seems to have a knack for selecting aides who get caught for something–from Bernard Kerik to Davud Vitter, Guiliani’s chairman for the southern region. How long can you remain credible with a track record of selecting corrupt staffers?
    Agreed, Romney is scary. Looks presidential on TV, speaks presidential, and will say anything to become President. Perfect putty for a budding Rove…

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  34. Carroll says:

    Podhoretz?..good gawd almighty!
    He might as well put Satan in charge of his foreign policy. Podhoretz is insane and pure evil.
    This might get him the right wing jewish vote and money and the doomsday evangelicals but I hope it scares hell out of of everyone else.

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  35. a guy at a desk says:

    Note: Peter Berkowitz role as Senior Statecraft, Human Rights and Freedom Advisor will be a part-time position.

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  36. Scott Paul says:

    Marky:
    You raise a reasonable point. Romney seems to be mapping out his foreign policy, too, and somehow it includes doubling the size of Guantanamo. But the dynamics aren’t quite the same. For Giuliani there’s a “push” and a “pull” towards an off-the-deep-end policy. The “push” is his clear moderate views on social issues, which will compel him to compensate by pandering to the base on other issues. The “pull” is his already established persona as the tough guy NY mayor who guided a city through terrorist attacks – a persona that narrow-minded political operatives might feel is compatible with Kasten/Podhoretz foreign policy choices. That’s what scares me.
    Fortunately, I do think the public is sick of the scare tactics – at least for the time being.
    Scott

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  37. ... says:

    heres some political news for today >> Senate Democrats moved Tuesday to cut off funding for Vice President Dick Cheney’s office in a continuing battle over whether he must comply with national security disclosure rules.
    A Senate appropriations panel chaired by Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., refused to fund $4.8 million in the vice president’s budget until Cheney’s office complies with parts of an executive order governing its handling of classified information.
    At issue is a requirement that executive branch offices provide data on how much material they classify and declassify. That information is to be provided to the Information Security Oversight Office at The National Archives.

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  38. marky says:

    Scott,
    Don’t you think that Romney has the potential to wage an even scarier campaign? He appears to be the most unprincipled candidate I have ever seen on the national stage. I don’t like McCain or Giuliani, but I believe they have values. Romney? None at all.
    There’s really no limit to what an imaginative and unprincipled candidate could do in this election. I expect the Repubs to start talking up the number of sleeper cells in the US. No doubt we’ll also here about the imminent danger that Iran will pass off a suitcase nuke to an brown-skinned MD visiting the US on a work visa from a country with Satanic universal health care.
    I can only hope that their scare tactics appear stupid and unrealistic to the public, this time around.

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