Max Blumenthal on Why the Israeli Government Cannot Investigate the Flotilla Disaster

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(original clip — video released by the IDF on May 31)
Max Blumenthal has been working over time to challenge the Israeli government claims and releases on what happened during the clash between IDF forces and the Turkish flotilla bound for Gaza.
Blumenthal has already successfully gotten the Israel Foreign Ministry to back off its original claims that the flotilla was connected to al Qaeda terrorist affiliates.

(doctored clip — released on June 4)
Now Blumenthal has discovered doctoring of the radio exchanges between the defense forces and the Turkish ships. The Israeli government is distributing the altered/doctored versions of these clips — and this undermines the legitimacy of any effort by the Israeli government to investigate the incident even if unbiased, dispassionate players in Israel’s political establishment really wanted to know what happened.
Read this material and watch these clips from Max Blumenthal.
— Steve Clemons
Update: More from the Palestine Note.

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70 comments on “Max Blumenthal on Why the Israeli Government Cannot Investigate the Flotilla Disaster

  1. sticker printing says:

    Thanks for sharing it here i am looking forward for your next placement

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  2. Sweetness says:

    Sweetness, I’ll tell you why: because the Mideast may be on the brink of a shooting war caused mainly by Obama’s policy of engagement and supine weakness.
    SN: I agree, it may be on the brink, but I’m not sure about the causes. Assigning causation is tricky, I’d think. In some ways, Obama has been tougher than Bush. He upped the effort in Afghanistan. He’s upped the drones. He seems to be killing a lot of jihadis. So why the world would think that he isn’t tough militarily is hard to fathom. Yes; he’s had a tiff or two with Bibi, but so what? HW had a tiff with the Israelis, too.
    You assume that everything that happens in that region is a reaction to, or the result of, what happens between the US and Israel. But the rest of the world is “coming up” in all kinds of ways, not only in the ME, but elsewhere. They are moving on THEIR OWN.
    Here’s a true parable. My brother and I were walking in the woods. Suddenly he was swarmed by bees attacking him from every direction. He many tens of bites before the whole thing was over. I suffered not one. What had happened, though, was that I walked into the nest first and got things stirred up; my brother followed just at the moment when the bees had “had it” and were ready for war. Something like that might be happening here. Bush set it in motion; Obama is getting stung.
    At the very time the Islamist tide most needed to be understood and contained, we got a naive appeasing novice in the White House. Now millions may pay a high price for Obama’s arrogant ignorance.
    Paul is firmly stuck in the red-green alliance, he just likes to think he can rule against America and democratic and pro-American forces every single time without aligning himself with anti-American and anti-democratic forces.
    SN: Nadine, Paul is sitting somewhere in Norway and typing on his computer. NO ONE except a few readers here is paying attention to him. No real world actors are basing their decisions on what he or anyone else here says. So Paul isn’t “ruling” or doing anything except writing.
    That’s not how the world is aligned right now. As Orwell said in the 1930s, “it’s common sense that pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist”.
    SN: Historical precedents are tricky. Someone said history doesn’t repeat; it rhymes. Besides which, I’m not sure Paul is a pacifist, but maybe I missed that post. You know, it’s possible that you’re right about what’s happening now, but you could also be wrong, yes?
    I know he doesn’t see it that way but that doesn’t make me wrong.
    SN: No, but it doesn’t make you right. And I don’t see any support for the assertion that he’s in bed with the Jew haters.
    Remember, none of the people Lenin called “useful idiots” thought they were agitating for Bolshevism. They thought they were agitating for social justice.
    SN: There is that. It’s a matter of judgement. But I think you need to adduce more evidence for your positions as to what is happening, at least from my perspective. Then again, I might be a useful idiot, too. WWII was such a searing experience for Jews that it’s tempting to see everything through that lens. But it’s equally possible that history has moved on, playing some of the same themes, perhaps, but within a fundamentally different piece of music. That’s what some of the criticism of Israel amounts to: History has actually moved on from where it was in 1939.
    Just the existence of nuclear weapons, which didn’t exist back then, changes the equation. The existence of Israel as a strong and prosperous nation changes the equation for Jews. The fact of the Holocaust changes the equation for everyone and makes a repeat much less likely (IMO) since few people want a repeat and are on guard against it. The relative strength of various nations changes the equation. The Internet and ubiquity and speed of communications technologies changes the equation. None of this existed in 1939. It’s unreasonable to simply assume that we’re in for a repeat…though, of course, I could be wrong.

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  3. nadine says:

    Sweetness, I’ll tell you why: because the Mideast may be on the brink of a shooting war caused mainly by Obama’s policy of engagement and supine weakness. At the very time the Islamist tide most needed to be understood and contained, we got a naive appeasing novice in the White House. Now millions may pay a high price for Obama’s arrogant ignorance.
    Paul is firmly stuck in the red-green alliance, he just likes to think he can rule against America and democratic and pro-American forces every single time without aligning himself with anti-American and anti-democratic forces. That’s not how the world is aligned right now. As Orwell said in the 1930s, “it’s common sense that pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist”.
    I know he doesn’t see it that way but that doesn’t make me wrong.
    Remember, none of the people Lenin called “useful idiots” thought they were agitating for Bolshevism. They thought they were agitating for social justice.

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  4. Sweetness says:

    Nadine writes: “What I have said, Paul, is that you are in bed with the Jew-haters.”
    Nadine I feel that in the last week or so, you’ve racheted up your rhetoric and intensity. Not sure why, but you seem to be getting wound up.
    This statement is utterly baseless and useless as an “argument.” To say that Paul is “in bed with the Jew-haters” is just so far beyond the pale and so far removed from reality and what Paul has said on these comments for YEARS, I can only think you’ve gotten the fevers or been overcome by the vapors. I think if Paul were a Jew-hater EYE’d be aware of it, and I haven’t seen anything to give me that impression. Far from it.
    People who love Israel can and do disagree widely on “the facts” and on what’s best for Israel and what Israel did and should do. Jdledell, who’s been here several times and hopes to be buried in his “home,” Israel, has disagreed with your interpretations, and it is perfectly impossible to call him either an Israel or Jew-hater.
    Argue “for the sake of heaven” and not for Korach.
    Your “iron wall” isn’t convincing anyone beyond the already convinced. You provide value as a committed contrarian on matters Israel, but that value disappears if you’re simply an “iron wall.”
    My two cents…
    As to whether Nadine “damages” the Jews–how so? Is there some requirement that Jews be universally good and reasonable lest the whole people become “damaged”? I can’t see that. If that principle held true, then Muslims and Southerners would be damaged beyond repair. But they are not–not in my book, anyway.

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  5. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “What I have said, Paul, is that you are in bed with the Jew-haters”
    You’re a contamination to the Jews. The Jews should tell you to shut the fuck up.
    You damage them.

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  6. Leo says:

    Steve or website person,
    I’d like to share this article but the tab for this opens behind the video.
    Will share after this is fixed!

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  7. nadine says:

    jeff, thanks for linking the full IDF tape. So Max Blumenthal whiffs again. If you read his links (I did) you see that he never offered any evidence that the tape was faked; the editing alone was supposed to “prove” that it was faked. Of course editing no more falsifies a tape than an ellipsis falsifies a quote.
    Steve Clemon’s praising Blumenthal’s “wonderful work” in the absence of evidence displayed a rush to judgment. I believe the usual term is “prejudice”.

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  8. Cee says:

    Israel Shahak wrote about Nadine, Jeff and Marcus in Jewish History, Jewish Religion.

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  9. nadine says:

    What I have said, Paul, is that you are in bed with the Jew-haters. Call it alignment, alliance, or playing the useful idiot, it matters not. Every policy you back works to strengthen Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hizbullah and to weaken any American ally, Israeli or Arab. I don’t know if you personally intend to do that, but it’s what you are doing whether you intend it or not. Others, I think, are more self-aware of the consequences of their desired policy. Mark Perry, for example, certainly knows what he is doing. There’s a man with no illusions about the supposed “moderation” of Hizbullah or Hamas or his wish to ally with them — under cover of “engagement”, naturally.

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  10. A. Menaidy says:

    “If you elect murderous barbarians to manage your affairs, your going to pay a price. violence begats violence..don`t they have that in the Koran someplace??” – Jeff.
    Sounds like Israel.
    Rabbi publishes

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  11. ... says:

    There’s not much I can say about the mess the Israeli government has made for itself that Spencer Ackerman doesn’t say in this post. The only thing I’d add is that the international reaction to Israel’s actions is evidence that its blockade of Gaza never made much sense in the first place.
    So long as people didn’t really know that the Israeli government was using force to deny residents of Gaza fresh meat, dried fruit, canned fruit, clothing fabric, chickens, cattle, coriander, musical instruments and much more, Israel’s blockade was relatively safe. But the more that the nature of the blockade is revealed, the less support there is for it (“you mean it’s not just stopping weapons?”) and the worse Israel’s military actions in defense of the blockade look. Further complicating matters for Israel, the more publicity the blockade gets, the more people begin to understand why ordinary Palestinians hate Israel so much, and the role that Israeli policy has in delaying peace.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/06/israels_blockade.html

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  12. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Marcus, who has insinuated, and bragged, that he has hacked into my computer, has accused Carroll of “having anal sex with Arab men”, once accused me of sucking Arafat’s cock, and recently made a post that had the primary function of making the accusation that I have herpes….
    He constantly invokes religious arguments. Is he the model of a religious Jew. Is this how religious Jews act?
    And Nadine and Wig-wag. Have you ever seen these two take Marcus to task for dragging Jews into the gutter? Birnbaum??? Have you ever seen him express any dissatisfaction with Marcus’s ignorant bullshit?
    As I commented earlier, its quite enlightening seeing what kinds of Jews are carrying Israel’s water here. Lying, obscenely vulgar, and bigoted to a fault. Gee, what a way to fight anti-semitism, eh?

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  13. ... says:

    i notice he’s not saying, murder and more murder… that’s what happened on the boat trying to bring aid to gaza…. of course it is hate and more hate on the part of israel to force a prison camp mentality on gaza, but that is exactly what israel is doing…

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  14. Don Bacon says:

    Irvin, we’re not mindreaders — what are you talking about? What article? What tapes? Are you too upset to discuss what’s bothering you?

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  15. Irvin says:

    Hate, hate and more hate. Why don’t you listen to the tapes–the full tape is available on line from any number of sources. I’m sure you can find one that is not too Jewish for your tastes.
    The article, like Max Blumenthal’s, is disgusting.

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  16. Don Bacon says:

    As MJ Rosenberg declares, he’s not anti-Israel he’s anti-Likud — and Likud is anti-Israel.

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  17. Cee says:

    I don’t want to hear another damn word about the leadership in Israel doing a thing to keep Jews safe!
    Someone needs to warn everyone to look out for false-flag attacks like the Lavon Affair or like what was done to drive Iraqi Jews to Israel.
    Ben Gurion’s Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews,
    http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/ameu_iraqjews.html
    From Haaretz
    Turkey Jews fear flotilla backlash will turn into anti-Semitism
    Turkish newspaper editor says, however, that Turkish PM Erdogan has repeatedly declared that he was against anti-Semitism.
    A Turkish newspaper editor told the European Jewish Press on Wednesday that Turkey’s Jewish community feared that the backlash over Israel’s interception of aid ships headed for Gaza earlier this week would provoke anti-Semitism in the Muslim-majority nation.

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  18. marcus says:

    we can only hope for a beneign government
    If you elect murderous barbarians to manage your affairs, your going to pay a price. violence begats violence..don`t they have that in the Koran someplace??
    The UN should force an election in Gaza ( do they have those there ? ), and heavily back whoever can beat the thugocracy hamas, if they stick with hamas the blockade stays.

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  19. Paul Norheim says:

    Let me see, Nadine…
    What you’ve been saying only since lunchtime today, is that I, as
    well as Steve Clemons and David in particular (and on a general
    level, everyone on the left) are Jew-haters or Israel-haters who
    support all the most well known militant Islamist groups in the
    Middle East, while DonS is a fascist, a brown-shirt.
    On another thread a couple of days ago, Steve said to you (in
    response to an insult against Peter Beinart):
    “Nadine – you are smarter than that note above. Get out of the
    gutter. Peter Beinart is a well respected, thoughtful individual.
    (…) I will leave it up this time to remind you and myself that we
    occasionally stoop lower than we should — but I would
    appreciate it if you would get back to being the sharp contrarian
    you usually are.”
    Don’t ask me how Steve got the impression that you
    “occasionally stoop lower” than you should. Perhaps he just
    tried to be polite? My personal impression is that you usually
    stay in the gutter: unfounded insults and accusations is actually
    your modus operandi – the staple food of your posts – and only
    on rare occasions do you get out of the gutter and become a
    “sharp contrarian”.
    DonS a brown-shirt? David supporting Hizbullah? Steve an Israel
    hater?
    Tell me, Nadine: what the hell do you think you’ll achieve with
    this nonsense?

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  20. jeff says:

    Here is the full unedited radio transmission.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dE2StbDL_Q&feature=play
    Auschwitz at 2.05
    9/11 at 5.42
    This is video is real. You are taking edited versions and saying they are fake because edited versions don’t match up.
    Well if you see the full unedited versions you can see the video is real.
    The left is incompetent.

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  21. marcus says:

    Israel is an object of faith,that it why it can do no wrong,never.
    the Hebrew bible, the foundational text of the Jewish Faith,, A.K.A. the OLD Testament, ( note the word OLD ) as in, been their first! ,OLDER and good enough for the majority of the worlds population who accept the rightousness of it`s laws and appreciate the beauty of the ancient hebrew poetry.
    faith in the thin flikker of reason
    BTW: it`s not a “prison camp” it`s a prisoner of war camp.
    it`s not an apartheid system, it`s a segregated neighborhood, big deal ?????? so what ????????
    PS; thank you to whoever, for sometimes making the Captcha letters easier to read.

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  22. DonS says:

    “I would say that in another circumstance you would be wearing a brown shirt, but that would imply a degree of physical courage.” (nadine)
    You’re so goofy when your threated.

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  23. DonS says:

    “Yes, DonS, there is no greater crime in your universe than Jews defending their lives from thugs who are trying to kill them – not maybe about to attack, but actively stabbing, shooting, beating their heads in. How DARE Jews defend their lives? It is the duty of the Jew to die meekly. I understand you perfectly.” (nadine)
    Forest – trees.
    Attack is defense.
    Black is white.

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  24. nadine says:

    Paul, you already chose the first path. You just pretend not to notice.
    You don’t have to say “Go, Hamas! Kill a million Jews!” You just say, “Everything Israel does to defend itself is wrong and impermissible. Everything Israel’s enemies do is justifiable.”
    There’s no difference at the end of the day.

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  25. Paul Norheim says:

    If I woke up one morning transformed into an anti-Semite, filled
    with disgust and hate against the Jews and everything Jewish, I
    think the first thing I would do – assuming that I were able to
    think clearly – would be to reflect upon which strategies that
    were likely to cause most harm and endanger the lives of the
    Jews in Israel.
    To express my anti-Semitism directly would obviously not be a
    very smart move, since this is generally not accepted in Western
    societies today, and thus would be highly ineffective. This
    would leave me with two options:
    The first one is the most obvious one, but probably not the
    smartest: To provide ideological, financial and moral support to
    the most fanatical among Israel’s enemies in its neighborhood.
    The second one is a bit more subtle and sophisticated, and that
    is to profess support and encouragement for Israel’s current
    path.
    Let’s say that I chose this second alternative. How would I go
    forward expressing my support?
    I would of course defend Netanyahu, and other Likud members,
    but I would especially concentrate my efforts on defending and
    encouraging a new breed of Israeli politicians represented by
    people like Avigdor Lieberman and his party. I would of course
    support the IDF in general, but I would especially focus on
    defending controversial operations like the raid and executions
    on the flotilla last week, Operation Cast Lead against Gaza a
    couple of years ago, and the daily abuse and harassment of
    Palestinians.
    I would be an unapologetic defender of unproportional use of
    force (like in the attack on Lebanon in 2006), since this is a
    strategy that tends to generate universal outrage when
    employed, and results in further isolation of Israel. I would also
    invest considerable efforts in delegitimizing Israel’s internal
    critics, the instance that may serve as a critical corrective to the
    path the government has chosen.
    And finally, I would defend and encourage further settlements
    on the West Bank, but especially in East Jerusalem. And I would
    express these views in a language characterized by brutality,
    contempt, and suspicion, not only towards Israel’s real enemies,
    but toward everyone who express even the mildest criticism of
    the Israeli government and armed forces. Actually, I think I
    would express a dislike and contempt for the outside world and
    its institutions in general.
    Last thought: I would certainly consider donating a monthly
    amount of money to AIPAC.
    However, as a note to Marcus: I am not an anti-Semite, and do
    not feel tempted to chose any of the above mentioned
    strategies to destroy the state of Israel or harm the Jewish
    population. And this is the reason why I keep saying that the
    demonization of Turkey among those who always defend Israel
    is not only irrational, but also extraordinarily stupid in the
    current circumstances.

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  26. ... says:

    most folks would consider it a descent into fascism when the inability to see the cruelty and death they inflict on others is always never their fault, but the others doing…. at a certain point most people lose patience with the regular excuses and cop outs…
    no explanation for the prison camp and apartheid system that defines israel is forthcoming either…. to them everyone is picking on them… they are never the cause for the alternate viewpoint many hold on israels actions here and in the recent past…. it is never israels fault – get it????????????
    never… and if it was……….. well they are always the victim, even though they are the ones maintaining a prison camp called gaza and an apartheid system that considered jews 1st class citizens and others not… that isn’t a democracy… it is a friggin racist country that practices that kinda shit!

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  27. ... says:

    everybody is trying to murder or kill israelis… that explains israel always treating everyone like a terrorist, or friends of terrorists… welcome to wacky world which appears to be present day israel if nadine and etc here are an indication… well, not just them – follow israels horrific actions for another obvious indication of how far to the right they have gone…

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  28. nadine says:

    “So scream all you want about the lefties in bed with the Islamists, the Turks being in bed with the Iranians and the Syrians, the Iranians being in bed with Hizbollah, Obama being a jackel, and all the other excuses you can come up with to divert attention from Israel’s primary and completely, utterly, own fault.”
    Yes, DonS, there is no greater crime in your universe than Jews defending their lives from thugs who are trying to kill them – not maybe about to attack, but actively stabbing, shooting, beating their heads in. How DARE Jews defend their lives? It is the duty of the Jew to die meekly. I understand you perfectly.
    I would say that in another circumstance you would be wearing a brown shirt, but that would imply a degree of physical courage.

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  29. Don Bacon says:

    Sorry, 225 is the max possible — 45 factors on a scale of 5
    http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html

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  30. Paul Norheim says:

    Don, do you know which year it reached 225? Just curious.

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  31. Don Bacon says:

    Beware — the Rapture Index at raptureready.com is 172, higher than it’s been in the previous three years (2007-163, 2008-170, 2009-169), but still well below the max of 225.
    As they say: “Rapture Index above 160: Fasten your seat belts”

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  32. marcus says:

    I`m certainly no biblical scholar but what was written was that..near the end of times,the arabs hands will be against the whole world and the whole worlds hands will be against the arabs.
    Sure seems to be coming true.
    So for all those who may have been abused intellectually and pyshically in jesuit schools ie; JohnH,Paul Norheim and POS…you were taught the wrong prophey, LOL.

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  33. Cee says:

    As Caroline Glick Wrote on her blog post concerning her video,
    This week at Latma – the Hebrew-language media satire website I edit, we decided to do something new. We produced a clip in English. There we feature the Turkish-Hamas “love boat” captain, crew and passengers in a musical explanation of how they con the world.
    We think this is an important Israeli contribution to the discussion of recent events and we hope you distribute it far and wide.
    All the best,
    Caroline

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  34. DonS says:

    I’m bringing this upthread:
    Nadine, you like it when the Lobby and the neocons do everything to advantage Israel, even starts a war with Iraq. Israel does something stupid, on its own, to which the world reacts with disgust, and suddenly you’re all over the US, Obama and any other excuse you can find for something the Lobby can’t just make go away. suck on that.
    Hey, hear what a landsman, Michael Chabon, has to say (don’t worry, he’s just saying Jews are as stupid as everybody else, and they ought to give up the idea of exceptionalism”):
    “This is, of course, the foundational ambiguity of Judaism and Jewish identity: the idea of chosenness, of exceptionalism, of the treasure that is a curse, the blessing that is a burden, of the setting apart that may presage redemption or extermination. To be chosen has been, all too often in our history, to be culled.
    “This is the ambiguity that cites the dispensation of God and history, of covenant and Holocaust, to lay claim to a special relationship between Jews and the Land of Israel, then protests when the world

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  35. nadine says:

    cee, the satire is called “We Con the World”. So Israel sent it to journalists? That wasn’t a blunder, it was a review of the coverage.

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  36. marcus says:

    The very best thing to ever happen to Israel is the increased muslim emigration to western countries in the past couple of decades.
    The anti-semites can rant and rave and lie all they like,,Paul for example and the other liberal poseurs.. fact is,the blow-back from this immigration works fabulously to israel`s advantage…and that`s not ever going to change.
    Just as it was written,so shall it be.

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  37. Cee says:

    On Friday, the Israeli Government Press Office accidentally e-mailed a YouTube video link to journalists, including journalists from BNO News. The video, created by Latma TV, used music from the 1985-song “We Are the World,” which was written by Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie.
    “There comes a time, when we need to make a show, for the world, the Web and CNN,” a man – dressed as the captain of a ship – sings as the song begins. “There’s no people dying, so the best that we can do is create the greatest bluff of all,” the song continues, apparently referring to the people on board the MV Mavi Marmara.
    The song goes on, saying they must go on day by day to pretend that there is crisis, hunger and plague in Gaza. “Cause the billion bucks in aid won’t buy their basic needs, like some cheese and missiles for the kids.”
    It took the Israeli Government Press Office almost three hours to retract the e-mail. “[The Israeli Government Press Office] would like to recall the message, “CAroline Glick and the Flotilla Band”,” a brief e-mail to journalists said.
    About 20 minutes later, Efraim Roseman of the Israeli Government Press Office released a statement with more details. “Earlier today, we inadvertently released a video link that we had received, which was intended for our perusal, not for general release,” Roseman wrote. “The contents of the video in no way reflect the official policy of the State of Israel, the Government Press Office or any other government body.”
    The blunder happened as international pressure on Israel over its handling of the Gaza crisis is increasing.
    http://wireupdate.com/local/pr-blunder-israeli-governments-press-office-sends-flotilla-incident-parody-video-to-journalists/

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  38. nadine says:

    Barry Rubin explains the Islamist rulebook. Steve Clemons doesn’t understand these rules, but look how many of them he obeys!
    “Here are some new rules in which “we” represents such disparate forces as Hamas, Hizballah, Iran, Iraqi insurgents, al-Qaida, Syria, the Taliban, and others including radical Arab nationalists. These forces are not all alike or allied but do often follow a parallel set of rules quite different from how international affairs have generally been conducted.
    –We’ll never give up. No matter what you do, we will continue fighting. No matter what you offer we will keep attacking you. Since you can’t win you should give up.
    –We’re indifferent to pressure you put on us. We will turn this pressure against you. Against us, deterrence does not exist; diplomacy does not convince. Neither does the carrot buy us off, nor does the stick make us yield. There are no solutions that can end the conflict. You cannot win militarily nor make peace through diplomacy.
    –If you set economic sanctions we’ll say you are starving our people in an act of “collective punishment.” Moreover, sanctions will cost you money and generate opposition among those who lose profits.
    –In response to military operations we’ll attack your civilians. Casualties will undermine your internal support. We will try to force you to kill civilians accidentally. We won’t care but will use this to persuade many that you are evil. Thus, we will simultaneously murder your civilians and get you condemned as human rights’ violators.
    –If you try to isolate us we will use your own media and intellectuals against you. At times, we’ll hint at moderation and make promises of change. We won’t do so enough to alienate our own followers but enough to subvert yours. They will demand you engage us, which means you making concessions for nothing real in exchange.
    –Talking to our own people, we foment hatred and demonize you. Speaking to the West, we will accuse you of fomenting hatred. We will hypocritically turn against you all the concepts you developed: racism, imperialism, failure to understand the “other,” and so on. These, of course, are our ideas but your feelings of guilt, ignorance about us, and indifference to ideology will make you not notice that fact.
    –We will claim to be victims and “underdogs.” Because you are the stronger and more “advanced” that means you are the villains. We’re not held responsible for our deeds or expected to live up to the same standards. There is no shortage of, to quote Lenin, “useful idiots” who will echo our propaganda.
    –Since our societies are weak, undemocratic, and have few real moderates, you will have to make deals with phoney moderates and dictatorial regimes weakened by corruption and incompetence.
    –Even the less radical regimes, often our immediate adversaries, partly play into our hands. Due to popular pressure–plus their desire to mobilize support and distract attention from their own shortcomings–they trumpet Arab and Islamic solidarity. They denounce the West, blame all problems on Israel, and revile America, even as they accept your aid. They glorify interpretations of Islam not too far from ours. They cheer Iraqi insurgents, Hizballah, and Hamas. They don’t struggle against Iran getting nuclear weapons. They lay the basis for our mass support and recruits, as Lenin said selling us the rope to hang them as well as you.
    –There’s no diplomatic solution for you, though you yearn to find one. There’s no military solution for you, whether you try that or not. You love life, we love death; you are divided, we are united; you want to get back to material satisfaction, we are dedicated revolutionaries. We will outlast you.
    –Finally, our greatest weapon is that you truly don’t understand all the points made above. You are taught, informed, and often led by people who simply don’t comprehend what an alternative, highly ideological, revolutionary worldview means. In effect, we will try, and often succeed, toturn your “best and brightest” into the worst and dimmest who think you can persuade us, blame you for the conflicts, or expect that we will alter our course, and we will use those mistakes against you.”
    http://rubinreports.blogspot.com/

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  39. Don Bacon says:

    Cut aid to Israel? No.
    Israel will probably bargain for more aid in payment for softening the Gaza blockade.
    VP Biden, March 11, 2010, Tel Aviv University:
    “President Obama has not only stated those words, he has translated that vow into action in his first year in ways both known to the public and not known to you, as Prime Minister Netanyahu eloquently acknowledged the other day when he and I were meeting and had a short press conference that followed. Beyond providing Israel nearly $3 billion in military aid each and every year, we have reinvigorated defense consultations and redoubled our efforts to ensure that Israel

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  40. MarkL says:

    Is it possible for the US to cut aid to Israel?
    As I understand it, the Camp David agreements locked the US into giving aid to Israel and Egypt.
    It’s clear to any objective observer that the US has no positive role to play in the Mideast “peace process”, and that in fact the US, via its aid to Israel, is a major impediment to peace.
    We should stop all aid to Israel, yesterday.

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  41. larry birnbaum says:

    I’m sure Sid is very proud.

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  42. DonS says:

    “Israel would be fine without the U.S. Israel gets one percent of gdp with u.s aid to by crappy weapons. Anything of value has long been stopped.
    “So a cut off would do no damage. But U.S keeps it up so they can have israel as a slave. (“jeff”)
    “Anything of value”? Like protecting Israel from concerted UN action to rein in it’s rogue behavior??? True, Israel has enough weapons stockpiled for the next several wars. But it has diminishing moral authority in the world; the US props up Israel’s outsized agenda.
    This “slave” status? Could you elaborate on the services that Israel has rendered it’s “master”??? Or should I just consult the AIPAC website?
    Jeff, you talk very big about Israel’s wonderful self sufficiency. But without US backing Israel would be unable to throw it’s weight around. But thanks for sharing your delusions with us.

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  43. Don Bacon says:

    “We have the most unequal society among western nations.”
    Israel should do more to integrate its Arab and Haredi sectors, Minister of Minority Affairs Avishay Braverman said on Tuesday, the third day of the “Democracy and its Challenges” conference sponsored by the French Embassy in cooperation with Haaretz.
    “David Ben Gurion wanted Israel to be a light onto the nations

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  44. ... says:

    jeff quote “There is no softening. Israel is still stopping all the ships and will be there to still inspect the cargo.”
    as almost everyone internationally is saying jeff – israel is running a prison camp… it is not something most folks would be proud of.. it is a position soliciting disgrace… israel is acting disgracefully..

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  45. rc says:

    We’ve got a time when a small unstoppable black hole in the Gulf between the USA and Cuba could feasibly release subterranean inter-continental pressure tipping points.
    We’ve got a time when only two men on the bridge of one ship sailing into the Port of Gaza are necessary to dissolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict now, the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan and Nelson Madella. (Barack Obama II would be a nice addition perhaps)
    Can the U.S. really fairly consider the rights of all Mediterranean cultures and peoples to their ancient ocean trade-routes and commerce?
    One way to view this is to visualize the issue as a whole Mediterranean Ocean issue, which it is in fact.
    For example, the U.N. could sponsor this vision by holding the next Security Council meeting in international waters off Gaza.
    Perhaps the US could donate the aircraft carrier to do it?
    Then again, the Russians probably have something just as suitable.
    One big Euro-Turkish-Egyptian-African party!
    Where can I buy a ticket?

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  46. ... says:

    nadine, did you change your name to jeff? or is it that the hasbara local got the 2 of you to switch sites? what a goofus..

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  47. jeff says:

    Carroll Israel’s economy is much stronger than european economies.
    israel’s debt projected to go down. GDP growth projections very strong.
    Israel would be fine without the U.S. Israel gets one percent of gdp with u.s aid to by crappy weapons. Anything of value has long been stopped.
    So a cut off would do no damage. But U.S keeps it up so they can have israel as a slave.

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  48. jeff says:

    There is no softening. Israel is still stopping all the ships and will be there to still inspect the cargo.
    No real softening will ever get through the forum of seven in the inner cabinet. They offered turkey ship before hand to be allowed to be inspected at ashdod port with a third party same thing they are still offering. There is no treaty on this.
    Shalit is still being held and rockets still being fired there is no real change in the israel policy and with nasrallah now talking about saying he will help with the next ships sent nothing will ever get through the forum of 7 in the israel govt.
    This will lead to more risks with the world community so weak.
    Look for Nasrallah to be taken out as he tried to send weapons through egypt and there have been attempts in the recent past according to kuwaiti paper.
    There will be conflict as the international community right now is run by leftist imbeciles. They offer nothing so israel isn’t risking a lot and will take more chances without their security.

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  49. Don Bacon says:

    What Israel wants — more conflict, is not what they’re getting — a softening of their Gaza blockade. Advantage: Hamas.
    So Israel is aiding Hamas! I say book ’em.

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  50. jeff says:

    To peacewarrior:
    Wrong Israel had record high approval in gallup poll.
    The left couldn’t even win mass senate race.
    The leftist govt in spain is getting crushed in the polls for 2012.
    the leftist rudd govt in australia going down.
    Leftist govt’s across europe are going down as they no longer have bush to run against.
    Czech republic huge defeat for the left. The right vote is surging.
    The leftsits in south america getting crushed as a conservative was elected in chile and leftist lost. They can no longer use the bush weapon to get leftists elected in south america so more pro israel leaders will be elected.
    With Obama their is a counterbalance to support israel than is why israel had record approval in gallup poll.
    The left is going to lose 60 house seats and 6-7 senate seats this november.
    The left should enjoy 2010 because leftists around the world are going down the next few years.
    Flex your muscles and enjoy 2010 israel bashers because by 2014 leftist leaders will be long gone around the world.
    The massive debt and immigration problems will see a surge of conservative leaders across europe and leftists out.
    The left has no idea how different the world leadership landscape will be a few years to israel’s favor.

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  51. Carroll says:

    They killed the Turks onboard because Israel is lighting every match they can trying to provoke a ME war they can drag the US into.
    Pretty obvious.
    The zionazis want a war, any way they can get it, so they can finish off Palestine and attack Iran.

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  52. Carroll says:

    What If We Drop Israel?
    Jun 4, 10 | 7:53 AM by Michael Wolff
    Follow him on Twitter @MichaelWolffNYC
    Seriously, what if we changed our policy to being no more pro-Israel than we are pro

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  53. PeaceWarior says:

    The Israelis (not Israelites, a BIG difference) are masters at disinformation and dissemination of falsehoods. Their credibility is nil worldwide, and they are just digging their grave deeper. In politics, as history has shown, changes can come overnight. There is a growing anti zionist trend in the US and Western Europe that will have serious consequences. Why the non Zionist jews have not come out clean and open with their opposition to the brutality of this racist and criminal state is a matter of time. They have been manipulated by the financially powerful zionist propaganda machinery for over one hundred year. As a matter of fact, this same zionist cupula financed the Nazi regime during WWII !!!

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  54. jeff says:

    No international investigations for million killed in iraq but hundreds for israel. yet dozens in the last week against israel. Arab league didn’t have one over iraq but over this. Erdogan supported iraq war but goes nuts over this.
    No investigations of sudan in human rights council in the UN. Sri Lanka is praised with 20,000 killed.
    Sudan and Pakistan write the resolution against israel in the human rights council. The council obsesses over israel and never talks about sudan or iran.
    150 killed in afghanistan with germany involvement yet no investigation yet Angela Merkel wants an international investigation for Israel.
    No troops in the world are under one percent of the microscope that israel’s are.
    9 killed all the time in drone attacks in pakistan or afghanistan or iraq. Killed in somalia or yemen. Nothing but if it is israel the world comes down like a ton of bricks.
    Media writers in the U.S don’t talk about drone attacks from las vegas on pakistan, iraq, yemen, afghanistan, somalia but microanalyze 20 year old soldiers facing horrific conditions defending themselves.
    The guardian and BBC spend more time focusing on israel than what happens with all the civilian deaths from their own troops in afghanistan and iraq.
    The international hypocrisy on israel has now reached absurdity.
    The media should spend one percent of the same energy on pakistan, iraq, afghanistan, yemen, somalia.
    UK banks boycott israel but not uk over the iraq war.
    Sweden dock workers boycott israel but not u.s or uk over the iraq war with a million dead.
    It is unreal. The international hypocrisy sucks.

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  55. jeff says:

    Where is the international investigation for the first wikileaks video released of iraq in 2007 shooting wounded people who were no threat. Camermen from rueters were shot.
    No international investigation calls.
    Wikileaks has a video that will be out soon of 2009 with 97 afghans killed in tents in afghanistan.
    No UN human rights council investigations, no ICC investigations, no court cases in european countries, no arab league calls for investigations.
    The hypocrisy in this world is unreal. Enough is enough with the media’s huge double standard of obsessive focus on israel soldiers while not having one percent of the same focus on u.s or uk or any other countries soldiers.
    Every other day more are killed in pakistan from control rooms in las vegas using drones than in the ship incident.
    The media is obsessed about israel. They have one percent of the coverage of pakistan, afghanistan, somalia, yemen, iraq.
    A million died in iraq and yet more coverage to this ship incident.

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  56. jeff says:

    Was there an international investigation into iran bombing of jewish center in argentina? no
    International investigation into iraq war with million dead? no
    97 dead in afghansitan on attack on tents in 2009
    no investigation
    150 afghans killed lining up for fuel from trucks. Germany was involved in this and no investigation yet wants an international one for israel.
    30 afghan civilians in 2010 killed in buses. no investigation. They were just some taliban after all.
    The double standard and utter breathtaking hypocrisy from the media and the commentators on blogs like this is unreal.
    I would use the word disproportionate coverage of israel soldiers compared to the acts of other soldiers.
    I have read stories in iraq and afghanistan of untold horror stories far far worse that the media doesn’t cover yet the media is obsessed with israel.

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  57. A. Menaidy says:

    Why shouldnt the Israeli army conduct an investigation? From a few years ago:
    The Israeli army has cleared an officer accused of repeatedly firing into the lifeless body of a young Palestinian girl of

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  58. jason says:

    Erdogen coming to power in 2003 tried to round up the votes for u.s troops to use turkey for the iraq war.
    He is a world class hypocrite.

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  59. Paul Norheim says:

    Maybe this is just an unsubstantial rumor, but here it goes –
    from the Jerusalem Post:
    “Erdogan may try to break blockade himself, Arab paper says
    By JPOST.COM STAFF
    06/05/2010 10:30
    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is considering
    arriving in Gaza himself to break the blockade of the Strip,
    Lebanese newspaper Al-Mustaqbal reported Saturday.
    The paper said it was basing its report on Turkish sources

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  60. jeff says:

    Iran diplomats caught with maps in baghdad of where to wipe out sunnis in baghdad.
    Shia religious figures would have mock executions in a mock court for massive amounts of sunnis.
    Sunnis were wiped out of baghdad with iran’s help and never an investigation at the UN.
    Iran bombed jewish center in argentina never an investigation.
    In afghanistan 97 people were killed in tents, 150 killed getting fuel by germany and u.s forces, 30 civilians killed on buses.
    Wikileaks has some video they say they will be releasing for the 97 killed incident.
    Drones are used from las vegas.
    But Israeli soldiers on the ground hit with metal bats, stabbed and shot with their guns taken away are held to a higher standard.
    The British press has done more on this incident than all the massacres of the british forces in afghanistan and iraq.
    No investigation at the UN for the iraq war. The iraq war lead the ied’s in afghanistan but blame it on israel.
    Hezbollah has a holocaust museum in southern lebanon. Iran had a holocaust cartoon contest. Hezbollah salutes like the nazis. Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah recruit kids like the nazis.
    Syria’s assad a radical unlike his father bragged how he built up hezbollah.
    Hamas’s Meshaal talks about hitting tel aviv airport. Nasrallah talks about hitting israel infastructure. Syria talks about hitting israel cities.
    Just last year Hezbollah was caught shipping rockets through egypt to hamas in gaza.
    Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah all love bashir of sudan because he helps iran move weapons from iran through sudan to gaza. They support the butcher of darfur and went down to lend him support. Another reason why the south african/israel comparison is wrong because hamas and iran are supporting the butcher in sudan.
    Iran, Syria, Hezbollah all giving long range rockets to hamas that can hit tel aviv airport and dimona. Rockets already being fired at chemical facilities in southern israel.
    Israel left gaza and left the whole border open and iran took over just like they did in southern lebanon with massive amounts of weapons.
    Weapons have been put in barrels off gaza’s shores to hamas. Weapons to Hezbollah ship were seized last november full of weapons.
    Israeli soldiers are held to a higher standard than anyone else in the world.
    U.S hits pakistan with drones from las vegas but israeli soldiers in the middle of the night charged by axes, guns, beating on the ground by bats, shot at are the ones who the media obsesses over. The comando that shot them saw a friend have a gun to his head, saw friends kidnapped, thrown overboard, charged at with axes, bats and knives.
    The hypocrisy from the media is unreal. They come from the same culture that allowed the holocaust to happen. They are the sons and grandsons of the obsessive focus on jews. They have huge double standards and utter hypocrisy.
    Helen Thomas perfect example shows her absolute hate.
    The leftists supporting hamas who supports the butcher in darfur. The leftists supporting anti gay islamic leaders. The leftists were just angry israeli soldiers didn’t die. One of the soldiers had his ear cut off that wasn’t enough for them.
    They were chanting many anti semitic messages in videos besides this one.
    Leftists governments are down in the polls in europe. Spain will have the right back in charge and all through europe leftists are down with their massive debt and immigration policies. Australia’s leftist rudd is down. Obama will lose 50 seats in the house easily.
    The MSM is losing their power and leftist leaders are losing their power.
    Israel had record ratings in gallup poll of american people this year.
    2013 leadership of the world will look a lot differnt than 2010. The leftists in south america are on their way out. Chile elected a conservative leader.
    There are going to be a whole lot of israeli hating leftist leaders out of power in the next few years.
    They can flex their muscles in 2010 but lets see where they are in 2014.

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  61. rc says:

    “Now, our two democracies are confronted by an unprecedented set of challenges…” —
    Well he could have said “three democracies” if there was on in the land formerly known as Palestine.
    How about re-draw the Israeli boundaries so that 51% of the voting population are Jews? Then it’s a democarcy by definition and the Palestinians can have the rest of their country back.
    Sounds like a ‘win-win-win’ to me.

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  62. Don Bacon says:

    POA, he might need a lubricant but be allergic to Vaseline, or perhaps a petroleum product is off limits right now, so other options are coconut oil, coco butter, shea butter, Carmex, colloidal silver, lanoline…. Any of those will work like a charm. Rose oil can be pretty good too, I’m told.

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  63. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Blinding the Witnesses
    By Naomi Klein – June 4th, 2010
    There is something way too literal about Israel shooting out the eye of a witness to its crimes.
    This photograph of Emily Henochowicz’s bandaged face needs to be seen by the world.
    http://palsolidarity.org/2010/05/12604/
    Like many of us around the world, Henochowicz, a 21-year-old Cooper Union art student, joined protests on Monday against Israel

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  64. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “What are Obama’s options?”
    Netanyahu and our Congress have handed him two options;
    1)With vaseline.
    2)Without vaseline.

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  65. Don Bacon says:

    Obama’s options?
    How about going to Turkey and giving another great speech? I love his speeches.
    “Now, our two democracies are confronted by an unprecedented set of challenges. . . We know that the road ahead will be difficult. Both Israelis and Palestinians must take the steps that are necessary to build confidence. . .We must extend a hand to those Palestinians who are in need, while helping them strengthen institutions. . .Turkey has been a true partner. . .There is an old Turkish proverb:

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  66. Dan Kervick says:

    Steve, what’s the scuttlebutt in DC? What are Obama’s options?

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  67. ... says:

    thanks steve… now if we can kick nadine off the hasbara payroll, things can start getting back to normal! oh wait a sec.. i think that is her in their playing with those tapes, wearing a wig that looks like something wigwag would wear…

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  68. David says:

    A second to Cee’s Thank you.
    A friend who is a centrist Democrat, a retired college history prof, and a person who has never had any use for discrimination, racism, or bias of any kind said to me, in a very brief, subdued comment: “Israel is an albatross around the Democratic Party’s neck.” The current government of Israel and the current mindset of the majority of Israelis (as best that can be determined) seem to me to validate that observation. What a waste of what should have made itself into a vibrant, peaceful democracy once its existence was accepted – and it was, in spite of all the legitimate arguments against how it was created, and at whose expense. The missing piece has always been belated justice for the dispossessed, who have instead suffered the most godawful injustices, which then made them easy prey for the people who wound up their leaders. And now Israel is about to become the victim of its own brutal wrongheadedness.

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  69. Cee says:

    Thank you for posting on the fabrications. This isn’t the first time they’ve done things like this. It won’t be the last.
    There are people in this country who shouldn’t be in any decision making capacity re: this or Israel.
    Ha’aretz says U.S. officials face ‘pro-Israel’ background check
    on Wednesday, June 2, 2010

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