Looks Like Sarah Palin Due Some Apologies

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Like many, I have been sifting through the growing pile of circumstantial evidence that Alaska Governor Sarah Palin’s fifth child, Trig, might be her daughter’s child rather than her own.
I didn’t write about this both because I was not convinced of the allegations, and I couldn’t do more than add a decibel level to a growing sound machine that was convincing itself that there was significant, perhaps well meaning, fraud involved here. That would not have been a constructive contribution.
I have seen other cases in which a mountain of evidence points in one direction — but that turned out to be wrong. It seemed to me that there were potential explanations that fit Palin’s character, and in these personal cases, she deserved better than the blogosphere’s doubt.
Andrew Sullivan has finally helped end the dizzying frenzy, I hope. He links a photo of Palin (above) on “what was the last day of the Alaska Legislature’s Session, on April 13, 2008, five days before Trig Palin was born.”
I think that there are other legitimate questions for the McCain-Palin team and the Obama-Biden team that deserve our attention. And I hope we can move beyond this story about Trig’s real mom now.
Thanks to Andrew Sullivan and those who helped dig a bit further than the photos and narratives on hand and for their general sobriety about this uncomfortable subject.
Off to Minneapolis/St. Paul now.
— Steve Clemons

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169 comments on “Looks Like Sarah Palin Due Some Apologies

  1. jf says:

    Wow… I forgot the mania over this (now in June 2010). How fast
    time flies. I STILL think Sarah Palin is a crackpot, a rotten
    influence, and — now — someone who has long overstayed her
    welcome or utility on the national stage.
    I also think it’s reasonable to question her judgement for getting
    on a plane when in apparent labor and for naming her poor son
    after one of the most hated classes in the high school
    curriculum, “Trig.”
    But this whole thing about whose baby was whose, etc. was an
    obsession worthy of, say, the birthers who keep clamoring for
    Obama’s birth certificate — but not of anybody else with any
    self-respect.
    Of course I understand the hypocrisy of so-called principles
    Palin and her ilk claimed to possess. And yes, I realize that it was
    Palin herself who brought both Trig and her daughter Bristol’s
    teen pregnancy onto the stage as political devices.
    But in the end, Palin’s own professional shortcomings should
    have been more than enough to fry her. No need to indulge in
    this kind of petty politics.

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  2. funnyman42 says:

    haha who do you think she looks like? you can upload your own photos/captions at http://www.sarahpalinlookslike.com — hilarious!

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  3. Tahoe Editor says:

    RE: “pile of circumstantial evidence”
    Kos: “Sorry. I can’t seem to find that story.”

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  4. Sweetness says:

    From TPM/Josh Marshall on the liberal media targeting Bristol:
    “Since there is widespread agreement that the children of candidates should not become topics of campaign debate, it behooves us to note that the McCain campaign has almost singlehandedly made Sarah Palin’s daughter a central figure in the Republican convention.
    “It was the McCain campaign that announced Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy. That alone might be understandable since it appears a supermarket tabloid was about to print the story. But it was the McCain campaign, entirely on its own, that dished up unsubstantiated claims about maternity tests and all sorts of other lurid nonsense that had never been seen in print anywhere. And now the McCain campaign has staged a ceremonial laying-on-of-hands on the tarmac in St. Paul in which Sen. McCain has given his official blessing to the young couple and embrace of Bristol’s boyfriend Levi.
    You can see brief video of the event here …
    Let’s be clear about what’s happening here. Overwhelmingly, reporters are pressing eminently reasonable questions — her role in troopergate, her lack of experience, her connections to the AIP, her history of earmarking and lobbyists, etc. Meanwhile, the McCain campaign is going absolutely non-stop about Palin’s daughter. It is unmistakable.”
    Palin is a trap for overzealous liberal bloggers…and the Democratic party.

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  5. wayne eric says:

    Some of you guys need to truly get a life. Please “read and research” the proper sites. Go to the Governor of Alaska homepage. Does anyone know what their state budget is?
    Does anyone know what a Governor has to manage on a day-to-day basis?
    Does anyone know that Governor Palin IS the Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard. No big deal, huh?
    Did you ever hear of the earthquake fault line that Alaska sits on and the devastation to life that previous Alaskan earthquakes have caused? And that Gov. Palin has to coordinate rescue efforts in case of such a natural catastrophe.
    Being Commander-in-Chief of a military unit that is literally a stone’s throw (or nuke’s throw) away from the U.S. is no biggy? Have you all lost your minds?
    Look all that she does on the Alaskan gov website. Go through all the departmental budgets and all the revenue she has to handle. Get your calculators on screen and add; that’s if you can add.
    And look at lover boy John Edwards. Messing around while running for President, and on a woman who is battling cancer. Did he get this much media hoopla? You guys are idiots.
    And Obama sitting in a church for years and years where a pastor sermonized racial division and anti-patriotic rhetoric. I was in a church where a leader was messing with porn and I truly tried to reconcile myself with it. But, when got caught he acted sorry only because he got caught. So we left.
    If that pastor was mine or any pastor, who is really my spiritual leader, preached racial division of any tone or any other hateful rhetoric I would have taken my family straight out of the pews in the middle of the seromon and never returned.
    I went to Obama’s church website early in the primary season and researched what they preached and decided right there and then my democratic vote could not be his; and I am a minority.
    And what some dumb media pundits are saying about formr Hilary supporters. That “few” will go over to McCain Palin. Well, there is a whole family of lifelong democrats that will NOT be voting for the democratic ticket. As a matter of fact, I am going to do all I can for the republican ticket now.
    I called Obama’s headquater’s today to see if they could convince me to stay as a democrat. The person was short and curt, saying; “Do what you gotta do.” Then she hung up.
    I will do what I gotta do.
    And for any who should care I have a 22 year old daughter who had a child at 18. If I was Bristol
    s Dad I would have punched someone in the nose right now. It is a shame that politics has gotten down to picking on a 17 year old girl.
    SHAME ON YOU WHO DO IT

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  6. Tristan says:

    Liberals apologize? Yeah, right. Would that apology happen before
    or after the apology to General “Betray-us”, the general you
    smeared that, one year later, is winning the Iraq war and will allow
    us to withdraw without plunging it into chaos?
    Face it: There’s a ton of far-left nuts out there, and the Democratic
    party’s biggest mistake is that it takes them seriously. Take their
    money but keep them locked in the basement, don’t let them set
    policy.
    And yes, I am a Democrat – but one who would never smear Palin’s
    teenage daughter or an American General, so I guess that makes
    me a man without a party this election. But Obama called my
    Democratic candidate “Bush-Cheney Lite” and “The Senator from
    Punjab” so its pretty clear that they didn’t want my vote anyway.

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  7. Mr.Murder says:

    Too bad, people were going demand to see if her daughter had stretch marks to see if it was her kid.
    Guess that witch trial will end in a few more months…

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  8. pauline says:

    Palin cut $1.1 million from funding for teen moms in need
    09/02/2008 @ 7:40 pm
    Filed by Nick Langewis
    The Washington Post revealed Tuesday that Alaska Governor and McCain vice presidential pick Sarah Palin, whose 17-year-old daughter Bristol is pregnant outside wedlock, earlier this year used a line-item veto to cut $1.1 million (22%) in funding which would have at least partially benefited teen moms in need.
    “Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family,” Palin said in a statement. “We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy, as has always been the tradition of children of candidates.”
    Covenant House Alaska, the affected organization which serves to assist homeless and runaway youth, runs Passage House, a transitional living program with 24-hour support staff that provides housing, along with up to eighteen months of assistance in building parenting, money management and job skills, with aims to help teen parents prepare for the “real world.”
    “We work with parenting teens to help them become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families,” reads the Passage House webpage. “Our goal is to assist young mothers in developing skills such as healthy parenting, money management, priority setting, housing acquisition and social skills development.”
    “The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support,” Gov. Palin told Eagle Forum Alaska in a 2006 questionnaire in an expression of support for “abstinence-only” sex education.
    see –
    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Palin_cut_1.1_million_from_funding_0902.html

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  9. Tahoe Editor says:

    Think like … act like … this is Changeâ„¢ I Can Believe In from the Democrats.

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  10. nick says:

    So, you say that the rumors of Sarah Palin being the Mother of the
    child is not possible.
    How about in a month when little Bristol has a miscarriage?
    Think like a Republican!

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  11. Anarchy Is Order says:

    “THE LIBERTARIAN CASE FOR PALIN
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/the_libertarian_case_for_palin.html
    rofl @ “libertarian” partyarchs and parliamentarians
    Someone who thinks it’s appropriate to initiate the use of violence and threats of violence against other individuals, for any purpose, is not a libertarian. Those who support such people are also not libertarian. And yes, that means the “Libertarian” Party is itself not libertarian, and none of its members are libertarians. You can’t just throw out the core ethical foundations of libertarian philosophy because you find them inconvenient, and then still call yourself a libertarian, at least not honestly.
    Even if all that weren’t true, though, Obama is (at least rhetorically) infinitely closer to genuine libertarian values than Palin, or even in many respects Barr and Baldwin. Far from being a downtrodden minority (as Rand often fantasized), big businesses, especially in corporate form, live off of privilege and subsidy and are the chief agents behind the very regulations libertarians find so repugnant, precisely because those regulations (contrary to the claims in popular propaganda) serve big business interests by reducing competition and further limiting liability (beyond the basic LL for shareholders). Regulations and other government interventions on behalf of the privileged wealthy interests mean both fewer self-employers, and fewer jobs, which means a larger supply of wage labor coupled with a smaller demand for the same, driving down wages and opportunity and shifting the balance of power towards capital and away from labor.
    Given that corporations are inventions of the state, and can only maintain their scale with various privileges and subsidies, a consistent application of libertarian theory as regards the origins of legitimate property claims requires the rejection of all corporate claims, and worker takeover of those organizations and their assets. That is the consistent free market position, both in the Lockean/Rothbardian labor-based theory of ownership, and in the Tucker/Proudhon use-based theory of ownership.
    Of all the candidates, at least Obama acknowledges the very real issues of suffering amongst, and economic exploitation of, the poor and middle class by wealthy interests, and recognizes the fact that the poor and middle class are in desperate need of help. At least he correctly recognizes that the present system is indeed screwing over the vast majority of people in this country. Most of his solutions may be fundamentally flawed, in that they attempt to treat only the symptoms, poverty and despair, rather than the disease, the state, which causes those conditions, but that’s a hell of a lot better than pretending there’s nothing wrong and then using free market rhetoric and arguments (which do not apply to present conditions) to defend presently existing corporatist capitalism as some sort of just or equitable economic order.

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  12. Tahoe Editor says:

    Exactly. Making this election about the judgment of Palin’s teenage daughter is clasping at straws.

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  13. Anarchy Is Order says:

    “Can Governor Palin be any more hypocritical – preaching about abstinence, yet her unmarried 17-year old daughter is pregnant. Unreal.”
    X advocates A.
    X is related to Y.
    Y does not do A.
    Therefore, X is a hypocrite? How? X is Y?
    Perhaps you should join Trig on the shortbus.
    “Republicans ARE the hate mongers. Republicans have divided our nation like nothing we’ve ever seen in eight years.”
    You think the groupthink racist/sexist politics of the faux left are any less divisive? lol
    “if she really was pregnant and took such an enormous risk to her and her baby’s health”
    You are aware that human women have been having babies, without hospitals or lamaze or any of the other modern conveniences, for tens of thousands of years, and that female placental mammals in general have been doing so for tens of millions of years, right? There are far worse places to give birth than first class on a commercial airliner. Her labor was obviously moving at a slow pace, and as someone who had experience with four prior pregnancies, she should’ve been able to gauge with reasonable certainty what the pace was before leaving the Seattle airport.
    “Half these people should be voting with crayons.”
    No one should be voting at all. The state is the antithesis of liberty. The Irish got along just fine without one for a thousand years and Icelanders managed the same for over three hundred years; their societies were more peaceful and prosperous than any others of their time.
    “The principle that the majority have a right to rule the minority, practically resolves all government into a mere contest between two bodies of men, as to which of them shall be masters, and which of them slaves; a contest, that — however bloody — can, in the nature of things, never be finally closed, so long as man refuses to be a slave.” — Lysander Spooner
    The only democracy of any worth is participatory democracy.

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  14. Charles Hansing says:

    Can Governor Palin be any more hypocritical – preaching about abstinence, yet her unmarried 17-year old daughter is pregnant. Unreal.
    What a joke. Honestly.

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  15. Paul Norheim says:

    I would suggest that Steve immediately invites some experts to
    write a dozen of rather long and boring articles on less attractive
    issues – what about the inner dynamics of the bureaucracy in
    Brussels?
    Then perhaps some of these people with private anecdotes may
    realize that there are plenty of blogs more suitable for their
    confessions and confusion.

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  16. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Oh golly, Sandie, your personal anecdote has certainly cleared the air for us, and I’m sure we can take your testimony to the bank.
    Egads, is this the Twilight Zone?
    Half these people should be voting with crayons.

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  17. Sandie Parrish says:

    It seems to be ridicules to me that all these people are pretending to be smarter that anyone in the entire world, and anything Sarah Palin says is wrong. I am sure by her 5th child Palin knew a lot more of what to expect than any of the “experts” complaining in this blog.
    I have known people that had a 3rd or 5th child and just before birth you still couldn’t be sure either of them was pregnant. The first one was my mother, and the second was a neighbor. There are people like that: I never gained a total of 20 lbs with any of my children and had “fluid” leaking for several weeks during each pregnancy, one time I did fly commercially, to return home to my family as it was a 10 hour difficult drive if I didn’t fly.
    Unless you really know all the FACTS please don’t judge others by what you think may have happened!

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  18. MarkL says:

    Nina,
    Why should only homosexuals have to be monogamous?!
    Straight people certainly aren’t.

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  19. Nina says:

    Did I mention, perhaps Christians should also be forgiving and open minded to homosexuals who are monogamous and who live productive, tax paying, God living lives, or are they too focused on imaginary sordid fantasies that refused to grant them the respect they and their straight supportive families deserve. Give them the right to choose a married for life option.

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  20. Nina says:

    A. From the beginning, if Palin was a man…still unfit for holding one of the highest seats in the nation yet is being treated special because Biden will be called a sexist if he is tough while debating.
    B. Shot Gun wedding. A way the farthest Wings on the Right deal when their stoic Christian values fail them. I believe the term was “American Family” with indignation,coming from the McCain camp. Pointing out Obama’s mother who was 18, a legal adult was unwed too, but fails to see that Obama’s mother wasn’t running as VP.
    C. Total Hypocrite making it even harder for progressive Christians to be respected. Being a politician, laws will be passed effecting your children too. Christian Creationism in Science class as another theory. Pro-Life without any exceptions, including survival of mother who planned pregnancy.
    D. McCain knew?…my arse, just another example of how he doesn’t get it.

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  21. ewong says:

    The “Messiah” has spoken, Obama, speaking Monday to reporters in Michigan, said he thinks “people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits.” I think that should end this discussion for all you liberals.

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  22. Jim says:

    Look, we do not know whether Bristol put a condom on her boyfriend. She very well could have and it broke impregnating her. You have to buy quality condoms and the right size, and you do not get a choice in that regard when they hand them out at school. I have had cheap condoms break on me because they where normal men. Hell, the condom could also be way to big and slipped off. Anyway, we do not know whether a condom was used and before we pass ANY judgment on the Palin family’s safe-sex attitude we must find out whether precautions were taken, and if so, how the failure occurred. It would be a great lesson for our children on a national scale if we could approach this issue with stark candor using this particular episode, and this is our opportunity if we are provided with details by this family who has served their community so well.
    God Bless America !

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  23. Tahoe Editor says:

    It means she decided not to give it up for adoption.

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  24. cowboyneok says:

    “Tahoe Editor”
    Sarah Palin said her daughter DECIDED to keep the baby. I didn’t think your kind believed there was any “choice” involved?
    Is Sarah Palin Pro-Choice after all? What does she mean Bristol “decided?”

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  25. cowboyneok says:

    Mother of God, can you imagine the HOWLS of outrage if one of Obama’s girls got pregnant? Would Republicans be saying, “Oh, that is so sweet she is having her baby!” and “Jesus is happy!” I don’t think so…

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  26. Tahoe Editor says:

    The narrative will be about taking responsibility and having a supportive family and Palin being a grandmother and supporting her daughter and her granddaughter — instead of taking her down to the local clinic and having it sucked out of her.

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  27. jajohnson says:

    And Bill clinton….LOL

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  28. cowboyneok says:

    One thing I’ve noticed about Republicans versus Democrats is for all the yammering Republicans do about “family values” its always THEIR KIDS who get involved in scandals. For any one Democratic kid who gets “in trouble” there are TEN Republicans. Its sort of like the whole stereotype of the “preachers kid” always being the “outlaw black sheep” type.
    Lets compare Chelsea Clinton to say, Bristol Palin. See what I mean?
    Chelsea – accomplished, educated, classy and is waiting to get married in order to start a family.
    Bristol – sixteen, hasn’t even graduated high school and having sex with her high school sweetheart. Getting PREGNANT out of wed-lock! Nice family values, while Mom is trying to tell the American people how to LIVE THEIR LIVES through legislating “family values” type legislation.

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  29. cowboyneok says:

    Matthew “Yeah, and Republicans are the hate-mongers.”
    Withhout pushing your buttons, I’d have to agree. Yes, Republicans ARE the hate mongers. Republicans have divided our nation like nothing we’ve ever seen in eight years. In fact, you’ve done such a good job or trying to FORCE other people to live under TALIBANGELICAL rules there are many of us who will resent you for the rest of our lives.
    Just like the TALIBAN, you want to setup Religious Rules and Tests that you want to push on everyone yet can’t quite live up to those rules. For instance, John McCain says “Marriage is between one man and one woman” yet couldn’t remain married to his crippled wife. Sarah Palin is for “Abstinence Education” yet can’t quite keep her daughter from having sex out of wedlock. Senators Larry Craig and David Vitter believe in legislating marriage between “One Man and One Woman” yet Craig gets caught trying to pass out blowjobs in an airport men’s bathroom while Vitter gets caught having diaper sex with prostitutes. This is about those of us who want you wingnuts to just BACK OFF and let the rest of us use our good judgment to live our lives without you constantly trying to interfere with your “ideas” of what God wants for all of us. I have my OWN relationship with God and he is a much more tolerant, understanding and loving God than yours, thank you very much…
    VOTE FOR CHANGE! VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA!
    Wow, that FOCUS ON THE FAMILY “Pray for Rain” to disrupt the Obama speech has REALLY backfired. Now, we have Hurricane Hannah, Tropical Storm Ike and ANOTHER ONE forming. Thanks for your prayers Republicans.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj6cPE8zmlE

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  30. Matthew says:

    Yeah, and Republicans are the hate-mongers.
    Cowboyneok, I hope you’re just trying to push people’s buttons. You’re posts are completely devoid of anything intelligent, and are just the rantings of a nonsensical liberal.
    My guess is that you’re just trying to get under people’s skin? There’s a humor in that, and I’d rather that be the case than you be as ignorant as your posts indicate.

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  31. jajohnson says:

    That also includes Michael Moore. What losers.

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  32. The Big Cheese says:

    My God, some of you people are nut cases! Enough with the conspiracy theories — it’s a Palin preggers coverup, it’s Rove undermining McCain, it’s right wingers trying to take away your birth control.
    Geez. You all have been watching WAY too many conspiracy movies. Change the channel, will ya?
    Who said anything about Palin taking away anyone’s right to birth control? Maybe that’s the way she conducts her life, but I don’t see her introducing legislation to keep you from your condoms. Wow, you crazies are in no way in touch with reality.

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  33. cowboyneok says:

    ASK BRISTOL PALIN!
    ABSTINENCE EDUCATION WORKS!

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  34. cowboyneok says:

    Tom:
    The reason schools should teach basic sex education is some parents are too busy trying to run other people’s lives “as Governor of Alaska,” for instance, to then spend the necessary time with their children to teach them about sex education. When parents don’t do their job then their kids end up getting pregnant at sixteen, and having to get married…
    THAT is why we need sex education.

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  35. ewilson says:

    Poor former Democratic National Committee chairman Don Fowler . Gustav weakened to a Category 1 hurricane. Maybe God is not on your side.

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  36. Tom says:

    Cowboyneok, read that Time magazine article. The pregnancy wasn’t covered up. People in town knew about it. McCain knew as well. It’s just nobody’s business. It’s the pregnancy of a minor child. It is not a news story in the slightest.
    The schools in Alaska don’t teach an “abstinence education.” Maybe if they did, this wouldn’t be an issue.
    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837862,00.html

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  37. Tom says:

    Wonderdog, why should schools (read taxes) pay for condoms for teenagers and pre-teens? Some people insist on making it the responsibility of the schools to teach sex education, and absolving parents of this responsibility. The schools don’t teach pregnancy prevention, they teach about how to have sex.
    Or, how about this. Why not require parents to purchase the condoms for their children? Make it a requirement that next to the candy bowl, there be the condom bowl?
    I don’t want teachers talking to my children about sex. Haven’t we seen enough cases of teachers abusing students? Do we want Deb Lefavre or any of them explaining to our children what part goes where? “Yes, children, this is how you use a condom. Now, can I have a volunteer?”
    Sex education should be a parental issue, not a state or federal issue.

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  38. cowboyneok says:

    The TRUTH is dripping out. People KNEW something was UP with Palin’s sixteen year old daughter, Bristol. Governor’s and their family live in a fish bowl for ALL TO SEE. Bristol IS PREGNANT!
    The fact is SHE IS PREGNANT and Palin didn’t tell anyone. An unwed daughter of a governor who believes in “abstinence education” is MOST DEFINITELY A NEWS STORY and NO APOLOGIES ARE OWED TO ANYONE!
    Do we really want all our daughters getting abstinence, instead of sex education? Do we really want more sixteen year old little girls getting pregnant and having to make a “choice” as to whether or not to keep their babies and get married?
    I THINK NOT! NO APOLOGIES GIVEN OR DESERVED!

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  39. Matthew says:

    I like you, hitnrun.

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  40. Fallon says:

    I am still excited about Sarah Palin as the VP. The only reason I will be voting for McCain is *because* he has chosen to put Governor Palin on the ticket.
    I am not perfect. My husband is not perfect and our children are not perfect. The test of a person’s character is not how perfect they are. To me, the test of a person’s character is how they behave when confronted with decisions and choices due to an imperfect self and an imperfect world. Palin, and her family, pass with flying colors. They stand by each other.
    Obama denies and obscures his past, his friends and his mistakes. I find his actions suspect and will not vote for him because of his willingness to throw his friends and family “under the bus” rather than stand by them in hard times.

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  41. hitnrun says:

    WD: I have no idea. In any case, condoms are 15 bucks for a pack of 40. Probably less in Wasilla. If the fact that she doesn’t *specifically* support government condom subsidies makes you think she’s a bible-thumping nutjob and a hypocrite, good for you. Somehow I doubt you were on the fence anyway.

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  42. WonderDog says:

    Hitnrun, what is her position on condom DISTRIBUTION ? In schools as part of sex ed AND by Planned Parenthood or other groups? At what age?

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  43. hitnrun says:

    Did anyone else read those foul posts about how “belly fat doesn’t grow like that; ergo that must be a baby in the daughter’s belly” and think these were the same analysts who concluded that the WTC towers “couldn’t” have collapsed “that way,” or that the highjacked airplane “couldn’t” have crashed through the Pentagon “that way?”
    You’d think the revelation that the pic of the girl’s “pregnancy” was taken two years before Trig was born would teach them some humility about their scientific prowess.
    Science used to be the method for understanding reality. With the advent of the modern left, it’s now apparently the method of transcending reality.
    And no, Sarah Palin does not oppose the use of condoms.

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  44. WonderDog says:

    The real “problem” is not WHOSE child it is. It’s that Palin espouses “Christian values,” wants Christian Creationism taught in schools, is against women’s choice, and (I’m pretty sure) against condom distribution. It’s another case of blatant Republican hypocrisy (and, to be fair, there is plenty of Democratic hypocrisy to be found) — but it’s “YOU MUST do as I SAY, not as I DO.”

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  45. DeAne says:

    All those snarky little comments about Sarah’s “supposed”
    pregnancy..As her daughter Bristol stood next to her when McCain
    announced his pick no one could tell that Bristol was 5 MONTHS
    PREGNANT! There goes that mud sling! Christians will show the
    secular left that when our kids make mistakes WE STAND BY THEM,
    we don’t abandon them, we don’t tell them they have to get an
    abortion and we don’t call their baby a “punishment”! Instead we
    live our faith as Sarah and Todd Palin are! God bless them!

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  46. Tahoe Editor says:

    CHRIS CILLIZZA: Assessing the Political Impact of Bristol Palin’s Pregnancy
    Democrats must be VERY careful not to take a false step here. Some Republicans have already insisted that the Obama campaign is behind the rumor-mongering about Sarah, Bristol and Trig — although in our experience the campaign has not pushed the story AT ALL, in fact they have been encouraging reporters to focus on the issues of difference between the two candidates rather than personal stories. Any sense that Democrats are pushing this idea will almost certainly turn both Sarah and Bristol Palin into sympathetic figures — and that spells trouble for her detractors.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/bristol_palin_is_pregnant.html?hpid=topnews

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  47. Tim B says:

    There is twisted, loathing, virulent hatred on a majority of left wing blogs…
    Sometimes left-wing bloggers make good points, but their frenzied, hysterical hatred undermines their persuasiveness.

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  48. jajohnson says:

    For all the lies President Bush gave Americans in eight years, Obama in two years is running neck and neck.Four years under Obama would be more like Bush than John McCain would be.Biden was the obvious choice since Super Tuesday when the DNC had him, along with Chris Dodd, John Edwards and Bill Richardson, throw Hillary Clinton under the bus and kept him with a low profile so no questions were asked.

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  49. Tahoe Editor says:

    Piss, you’re not paying attention. My take (AGAIN): The Troopergate narrative will be distilled to this for the general electorate: Mother Of Five Wants Wife-Beating Cops Off The Dole
    The Bridge To Nowhere Will work for her, too. Ultimately she stood up to Stevens et. al. Obama has proven to be Mr. Pork.
    JOE TRIPPI: DEMS SHOULDN’T UNDERESTIMATE PALIN
    The McCain campaign plans on making an assault on Barack Obama’s strength as a change agent. And challenge, what the McCain campaign will describe as, Obama’s weak or non-existent attacks on corruption within the Democratic Party and other institutions throughout his career.
    The McCain/Palin duo will challenge Barack Obama’s claim of “a new kind of politics” and chastise Obama and Democratic Vice Presidential Nominee, Joe Biden, for their “silence” in taking on corruption in their own party in Illinois, Delaware and Washington, DC.
    My initial reaction was that in picking Palin, McCain had taken away the argument that Barack Obama wasn’t ready to be President. I now think my initial assessment on that score was wrong. Over time the McCain team will insinuate that if you think a first term Governor isn’t ready for the number 2 slot, are your really sure that a first term Senator is ready for the number 1 spot?
    Palin could thrive and strongly help McCain make his case, or she could crumble and damage his candidacy. My first impression is that she is not going to crumble.
    She isn’t Dan Quayle and besides, Dan Quayle was elected Vice President.
    My take? Don’t LOL. Take the McCain/Palin ticket seriously.
    Can the McCain of 2008 morph back to the McCain of 2000? Only if Democrats laugh out loud at Palin, let their guard down, and let it happen.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/dems_shouldnt_underestimate_pa.html

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  50. Jacobs says:

    Us right-wing fundies are making too much sense, so the Dem hacks have decided not to respond.
    Oh, well. Have a good Labor Day.

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  51. Clint says:

    “Andrew Sullivan has finally helped end the dizzying frenzy, I hope.”
    WTF?
    He’s still calling on Governor Palin to dignify these silly accusations with a release of her medical records.
    How exactly is he a calming influence?!?

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  52. hitnrun says:

    “Judging from the army of never before posted RW jackasses that have attacked the “democrats” on this thread, I’d say theres more to this than meets the eye. It seems we’ve turned over a rock they didn’t want us looking under.”
    Yeah, many conservatives knew all about Palin lying to the world about her daughter’s pregnancy to save face with the evangelical community in Alaska. You’ve figured them out.
    Oh wait, it looks like Palin’s daughter just came forward to admit that she is, in fact, RIGHT NOW pregnant. For the Democrats in here, that means that she couldn’t have been pregnant with Trig. Looks like you and the lefty bloggers are human pieces of feces who humiliated a 17 year old girl out of jealous rage over her mother’s political potential. I guess that sucks.

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  53. Dave says:

    Gee, “Pissed off Ametrican”, as good as Palin has been at “concealing her qualifications for the presidency” her efforts can’t begin to compare to Barack Obama’s, because he’s even LESS qualified than she is … and he’s actually running for the TOP job, not the #2 job!
    As an aside … What, exactly, is a “community organizer”?

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  54. JB says:

    Hey, did you know that Barack Obama’s really a Muslim who is faking his Christian beliefs so that he can be elected president? There are lots of people with “photos” and “stories” to back it up, too.
    Anyone who can’t recognize a political smear based in nothing but rumor and innuendo simply because the smear happens to be against their opponent is a partisan hack.
    Why do Obama supporters hate women so much?

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  55. Matthew says:

    Yet, Joe Biden received 4 student draft deferrals from Vietnam, then received a medical exemption at the age of 25 for asthma WHEN HE WAS A TEENAGER. His autobiography claims tremendous athletic prowess and physical health – not one mention of asthma. Media coverage? Of course not.
    Again, hypocrisy rules the day. The Left cruises, and the Right is “vetted.”
    Tom, you’re absolutely right. Abortions and teen pregnancies are decreased dramatically when condoms and “safe sex” were provided and taught in schools. Oh, wait – reverse that.
    I’m reminded of a quote from Dan Ackroyd’s character in the movie “Tommy Boy”:
    “What the American public doesn’t know is what MAKES them the American public.”

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  56. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Judging from the army of never before posted RW jackasses that have attacked the “democrats” on this thread, I’d say theres more to this than meets the eye. It seems we’ve turned over a rock they didn’t want us looking under.
    And this pathetic mewling mouthpiece spammer Tahoe still has not addressed the very REAL lies that he and Palin, have fed us about Troopergate and “The Bridge to Nowhere”.

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  57. Pauloo says:

    Apology? For what? Trying to vet a potential leader of our country?
    I still see no proof of the story being false. ONE picture of a PUBLIC figure that shows her pregnant? How did she manage to go through an entire pregnancy, as a public figure, with only ONE photo of her out there that shows her looking barely pregnant. Her face looks gaunt, not full, like it did in her earlier pregnancies. AND it happens to be from just a few days before giving birth.
    This is easy to clear up. birth certificates are public records. And hospital records could proove everything. Why release news of her current pregnancy to dispell these rumors? How does one dispell the other?
    Again, apologize? When Obama and his family were the subject of smears, McCain’s response was that you “gotta have a sense of humor”.

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  58. John says:

    The point is being missed here. The Jerry Springer type story may have been nonsense, who knows, but it has now brought out that Palin’s daughter of 17 is pregnant out of wedlock. Add this to the family squabble stuff and various other stories that are spreading on the net and it takes Palin into soap opera land. This in turn heightens the focus on her lack of vetting and the impulsive, risky nature of McCain’s selection. This is not just me saying this take a look at the comments of a bunch of commentators on the right and they are all talking about this. When the campaign gets going again after the Gustav pause this is going to be topic number one. All of a sudden McCain and his running mate have become participants in the Jerry Springer show. Leno and co are going to have a field day with this. And all this is before she’s conducted a single interview.

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  59. Tom says:

    One Lesson and One Comment.
    Abstinence Only policies should be taught in the home, not the schools. Things like this happen when you reverse that.
    Everyone else had to release their medical records. And since there are only 2 months left, Palin needs to release her’s immediately.

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  60. John says:

    The point is being missed here. The Jerry Springer type story may have been nonsense, who knows, but it has now brought out that Palin’s daughter of 17 is pregnant out of wedlock. Add this to the family squabble stuff and various other stories that are spreading on the net and it takes Palin into soap opera land. This in turn heightens the focus on her lack of vetting and the impulsive, risky nature of McCain’s selection. This is not just me saying this take a look at the comments of a bunch of commentators on the right and they are all talking about this. When the campaign gets going again after the Gustav pause this is going to be topic number one. All of a sudden McCain and his running mate have become participants in the Jerry Springer show. Leno and co are going to have a field day with this. And all this is before she’s conducted a single interview.

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  61. Matthew says:

    Lisa:
    Read my previous post.
    Liberals are only “nonjudgmental” when it’s over an issue on which their position is not the “moral” one. I think the rich should be able to keep as much of their income as the poor. I think the government has no obligation to care for the poor or provide health care or education or jobs. I think it’s wrong to make an employer pay a “minimum wage. Liberals would disagree. Why? Because it would be our moral obligation to do all of those things. The rich should pay their “fair” share, right? Establishing what is “fair” is just another way of being judgmental.

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  62. Tom says:

    To “We’re Screwed”,
    Please do your research. Sarah Palin is not, repeat NOT against the use of contraception. She’s a member of Feminists for Life, and anti-abortion, pro-contraception group.
    And it’s such a joke to say that you’re a Republican. You’re a democrat, using the “I’m a (insert life-long, or Reagan, or conservative, or any other modifier) Republican” line to hide your shame in being a democrat.

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  63. Kara says:

    As a Democrat and woman, I am appalled at the reactions of- some- of my party, as well as women, re. Gov. Palin, her daughter, and more. The paranoia of some of our extremists earns them- and us- the epithet “moonbat.”
    If some truly valued and believed in women’s rights and equality as much as thye claim to, they would recognize that women, just like men, can make different chocies politically; some of us are liberal, some of us moderate, some conservative, based upon their life experiences.

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  64. Matthew says:

    Reading all of these posts about what Palin “should have” done and about how wrong she was for not handling matters the way the poster thinks is funny. The Republicans and “Fundies” are always the ones accused of “forcing their beliefs on the country”, but, in reality, we ALL do that.
    I don’t think abortion is right, morally. You do. However, you think our country has an obligation to provide education and employment (if not just outright payments) to the poor, morally. Each side wants to force morality on the other – the only difference is which side’s morality.
    Disagreement is healthy. Hypocrisy is embarrassing.

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  65. Lisa says:

    Liberals are so nonjudgmental, it’s so beautiful.
    You Republicans taught us well. If you’re the party of morals, we are in deep shit!

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  66. jajohnson says:

    I too have a teenage daughter and one cannot be with or watch over her 24/7. I am so glad that everyone on here has perfect children that has never done anything they were not suppose to . I think all a parent can do is try to teach them right from wrong and hope they learn from it. If not then you are just hypocrites.

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  67. Matthew says:

    Wow. Palin’s sure getting a lot less benefit of the doubt than Obama on Rezko, Wright, Ayers, post-birth abortion, etc.
    Thank goodness our country has all of you heroes out there to help us see through this evil woman.
    One of the posts even mentions her “callous disregard for human life.” I would have thought that applied to Obama’s vote not to protect a birthed abortion victim. Obviously, I’m wrong and need all of your help.

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  68. We're Screwed says:

    Eight years ago did I think that my country would ever suspend
    Habeas Corpus? Did I think that my country would allow torture?
    Launch an endless war on Islam, and now restart the Cold War?
    Did I think that MY country would, in complete violation of my
    and every other Americans’ 4th Amendment rights.:
    * claim the right to tap my phone
    * read my emails
    * molest me at the airport
    * seize my laptop and any other electronic device, if I come back
    to the U.S. through an international border
    * keep me and 8 million other Americans (according to the
    ACLU) on a watchlist?
    No I did not.
    So call me a little wary, but now, with a GOP presidential pick
    who’s had melanoma twice, and a Fundie one heart-beat away
    from the presidency who wants to take away my basic human
    right to use birth control, I am worried.
    And every other sane woman and man in this country should be
    as well.
    Palin’s doctor, who is not a gynocologist, was not present in
    Texas, and should not have passed judgement on whether Palin
    was fit to fly.
    Furthermore, Palin knew the rules on flying while in that stage of
    pregnancy and did it willfully. If she had gone into labor she
    could have killed her child and possibly been charged. In any
    case, Palin could have traumatized her fellow passengers and
    the flight crew, by AGAIN, forcing them to participate or watch
    her give birth to a premature, special needs child in an
    environment that was not sterile.
    I’m a Republican, and I’m ashamed of the GOP tools on this site.
    Critical thinking, my a*s…

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  69. Tom says:

    Democrats are incapable of believing that any woman qualified to be Vice President or President might not be a Democrat.
    They are also incapable of believing that any man who they nominate might have been nominated simply because of the unbalanced bias of a single bloc of their party. If the black vote had been as balanced as the white vote, Hillary would be the nominee, and we wouldn’t be having this argument.
    Barack Obama is the democrat nominee simply because of the racially biased voting pattern of black democrats, many, but not all, of whom voted for him simply because he is black. If you look at the issue statistically, the bump in that one demographic is otherwise inexplicable, but for racial bias.

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  70. jajohnson says:

    Bernie, I couldn’t agree more.

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  71. LInda says:

    I didn’t ask Steve’s permission to suggest this, but instead of answering Tahoe Editor, MarkL, etc., each time they post, instead give $1 to Obama-Biden campaign. I stopped counting yesterday when at least 25 of the first 100 comments were from Tahoe Editor. Money speaks louder than words!

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  72. Kevin MN says:

    Hi. Keep underestimating Sarah Palin. It only helps her cause.
    This is typical of what happens in a political race. One side (BOTH sides) will seize on any bit of raw meat that looks like it will help their cause. Even if it’s a lie.
    I hope the country gives Palin the benefit of the doubt and let HER prove herself as a worthy contender. Two governors in the state of Alaska dismissed her… and guess what? They’re now EX-Guv’s and she’s sitting in the statehouse cleaning up their mess.
    Hope she does the same for the country!

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  73. Mike says:

    > Barack Obama has said he supports abortion and one rationale is he would not want his daughters to live with a “mistake.”
    Interesting to note that if Obama’s Parents and Grandparents had shared his position it’s pretty unlikely his 19-year old Mother who was married on 2/2/61 would have given birth to him on 8/4/61.

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  74. Bernie says:

    Tactically, Obama and the Lefties are trying to keep voters from focusing on issues and accountability. Governor Palin is an economic free marketer and a strong proponent of limited government. In 2004, Sarah Palin resigned from the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission after the Commission refused to accept her many suggestions for reform. A number of those who opposed her left the Commission over corruption charges. Sara Palin was subsequently elected Alaska’s Governor and has the highest approval rating of America’s 50 Governors. While Palin was busy fighting corruption, Obama was busy embracing it, soliciting bribes from recently convicted money launderer, terrorist funder and slum lord Antoin Rezko, and raising campaign money from Bill Ayers, the former head of the Weatherman Underground, a group that plotted the the slaughter of innocent Americans. I can’t think of a more stark contrast (or easier choice) at any time in recent Presidential elections.

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  75. curmudgeon says:

    If the Right wants a debate on Family Values, perhaps they should think again.
    Divorce, abandonment, custody battles, misuse of power for family gain, slander, libel, extra-marital affairs, etc…. these too are family values and do you really want the American public to have a 60 day debate on those items?
    I know that McCain and Palin definitely do not want that debate.
    So I repeat, DO YOU?

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  76. ScaryBob says:

    I smell a new V.P. pick in the air!
    Right-wing hypocrisy at its finest. I’m sure Sarah and her husband will have PLENTY of time to take care of their 5 kids, one of which will have a grandkid, because so-called Christian Values puts family values first. NOT!
    Obama/Biden ’08/’12

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  77. EagleEye says:

    Look at this picture again very closely. It looks like it has been photo shopped. Her hands stick out away from her body, but they are NOT resting on her stomach. The door behind her and her jacket are almost the same color, but not quite the same. If you look between her body and her left arm, you can see the door.

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  78. Carroll says:

    New Subject
    Bush Ready to Scrap Russia Nuclear Deal
    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/29/europe/nuke.php
    the gist of the article……..
    iht.com — Three months ago, President George W. Bush reached a long-sought agreement with Russia intended to open a new era of civilian nuclear cooperation and sent it to Congress for review. Now, according to administration officials, Bush is preparing to scrap his own deal. The imminent collapse of the nuclear deal, once a top Bush priority, represents the most tangible casualty so far of the deteriorating relations with Russia after its brief war with neighboring Georgia. Vice President Dick Cheney is heading to Georgia next week, and Bush is poised to announce about $1 billion in economic aid to the country, the officials said.
    “This agreement is probably going to be the first casualty of Georgia,” said Robert Nurick, a nonproliferation specialist at the Monterey Institute of International Studies.
    Bush broached the nuclear deal during a 2006 visit to Russia, and the two governments signed it in Moscow in May on the day before Vladimir Putin, who is now prime minister, stepped down as president. The United States has similar agreements with Europe, China, Japan and other countries.
    The pact does not require congressional approval but must be reviewed for 90 legislative days before it can go into effect. Congress could block the deal with majority votes in both houses or could proactively approve it without waiting for the clock to expire.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Being so close to an agreement with Russia on nuclear cooperation , and Russia being the biggest nuke country, and nuclear cooperation being in the interest of the US and the world it behooves us to inquire…..Why? did Georgia invade S. Osesstia since they had to know it would put the US on the spot and this deal at risk? Did Georgia not know Russia would respond? And if they thought Russia would not respond why did they arm up and ramp up for months in advance and have Israeli and US advisors (which may have been private Blackwater type advisors, at least in the case of Israel) all to attack little bitty S. Osesstia?
    And the US was counting on and trying to get Russia’s cooperation on Iran in order to pursue a diplomatic course instead of a military one with Iran.
    It is obvious Bush was working on this deal and wanted this deal to go through…so who had an interest in killing it?
    There are too many non government players like McCain’s lobbist friend who represents
    Georgia and too many interest screwing around with war ploys for the US.
    It is also obvious that the pres. of Georgia is a jumped up nutcase…..but someone(s) had to have encouraged him to believe that the US would rush to support him.
    So, we were on the verge of a beneficial agreement with Russia on nukes and lost it and lost their support on Iran and are now about to give Georgia one billion in borrowed US taxpayer dollars in aid.
    And both Biden and McCain, the “Experienced Ones” are in favor of this aid to Georgia and restarting a cold war with Russia.
    (Related to Old subject)
    And I am supposed to vote for one of these idiots?
    I prefer my experience tempered with judgement. After all experience is suppose to make you smarter and bring you good judgement. Unless you are too crass, corrupt or stupid to learn from experience. Which apears to be the case.

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  79. Dumass says:

    Steve Clemons said “Thanks to Andrew Sullivan and those who helped dig a bit further than the photos and narratives on hand and for their general sobriety about this uncomfortable subject.”
    You’ve got to be kidding me, right? Andrew has been flogging this thing for all it’s worth since it broke. On a post as of less than two hours ago (which he defends in a post twelve minutes ago) he is still calling for palin to release medical records, presumably to “disprove” this. Quote: “… candidates routinely issue medical records. So let’s have them. And then we can move on.”

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  80. Nobama bin biden says:

    There is no slime foul enough or muck deep enough to stop the leftist koolaid drinkers from diving in and reveling in the filth. You wackos should get a life.

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  81. EagleEye says:

    Look at this picture again very closely. It looks like it has been photo shopped. Her hands stick out away from her body, but they are NOT resting on her stomach. The door behind her and her jacket are almost the same color, but not quite the same. If you look between her body and her left arm, you can see the door.

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  82. John says:

    Palin should withdraw. She will be a terrible distraction. Something about her is not passing the sniff test. I am a social conservative. I was originally exciting but am having a bit of buyers remorse.

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  83. Rob Dunbar says:

    Boy, those Dems just can’t admit they’re wrong, can they? Not to mention judgmental, ungracious, conspiracy-minded–oh, sorry, I forgot. Only Repubs are all that. Musta been “the long hand of Karl Rove” that slipped into my thinking.

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  84. Tom says:

    All you people bashing Palin are sick.
    She DID consult with her doctor before flying.
    http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/22/palins-flight-labor-falls-under-scrutiny/

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  85. Scott says:

    It appears that the “Right to Privacy” only applies to Democrat candidates.
    You can clearly see the ridiculous nature of the MSM when they won’t report on BO’s brother in Africa, but try to rip the crap out of Palin and her currently pregnant daughter.
    This is a joke, and it will surely backfire

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  86. jajohnson says:

    I too have a teenage daughter and one cannot be with or watch over 24/7. I am so glad that everyone on here has perfect children that has never done anything they were not suppose to . I think all a parent can do is try to teach them right from wrong and hope they learn from it.If not then you are just hypocrites.

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  87. Tom says:

    To “We’re Screwed”
    You are wrong when you say that Sarah Palin is anti-contraception. In fact, she’s a member of Feminists for Life, an “anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization.” Please, next time, do a little research.
    http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837538,00.html
    Reported by Time magazine, not exactly a pro-GOP publication.

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  88. Sweetness says:

    Well, I agree with POA on this. A VERY bizarre development and
    probably an act of desperation on McCain’s part. Maybe his
    internal polling is showing something different than what we
    see. But wouldn’t Huckabee have been a safer way to shore up
    the evangelical vote?
    And I agree with Carroll, too, with certain reservations. The
    problem with damning “experience” is that “lack of experience”
    is hardly a guarantee or even an alternative. It’s not a good
    indicator that someone will do the right thing. And Palin’s
    instincts, to the degree they are on view, all point in the wrong
    direction, e.g., using public office to pursue a personal agenda.
    But one of the enduring myths of American politics is that the
    homespun boy or girl from the farm can do just as well as the
    city slickers and intellectuals. It’s one of the reasons George
    Bush beat Al Gore…to America’s and the world’s everlasting
    shame and regret. Carroll, we’ve already done the lack of
    experience thing for the past 8 years with disastrous results.
    (Our love affair with the American rube is one of the reasons
    American education is in the toilet. We just don’t like smart
    people. Setting up “experience” against “inexperience,” as if
    THAT were the choice is silly and dangerous. We might just pick
    Chauncey Gardener. Hey, things can’t get any worse, right? Ah,
    wrong; they can.)
    The Russian situation is a good example of this. Painting Russia
    as the simple aggressor is wrong and inaccurate. But painting
    Georgia as the simple aggressor–and Russia as the peace-
    loving savior of South Ossetia is just as wrong and one-sided.
    No one can seriously believe that. Chechnya anyone? And it
    appears that Russia is digging in for the long haul.
    One reason Democrats always have to show they have balls by
    standing up to the “evil empire”–take your pick–is the anti-
    intellectual, know-nothing culture pervading American politics
    and exemplified by the Republicans at least since Ronald Reagan
    and his alter ego, Dirty Harry. We could have had decent and
    reasonably competent Carter, Mondale, and Dukakis, but instead
    voted for the guy who “loved America,” “showed strength and
    resolve,” and “wouldn’t back down from a fight.” IOW, folks who
    weren’t pointy headed intellectuals.
    Hell, we could have had peace-loving McCarthy, Kennedy,
    McGovern –even Humphrey–or Adlai–but instead went for
    the “man of action” who believed in “American values,” and that
    “silent majority” of just plain “folks,” etc., etc.
    The only exception to this is Clinton who benefited from the
    collapse of the Soviet Union, HW’s ham-handedness, and a sui
    generis political genius.

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  89. Tahoe Editor says:

    If you think birth control will be banned under a McCain-Palin administration, you’re off your rocker.
    Several posters and even Geraldine Ferraro herself have noted that the Senate has a lock on Roe v. Wade and that genie will never be put back in the bottle.
    So find some other hysteria we can really sink our teeth into, please.

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  90. QueenTiye says:

    Apologies by whom? Very few in the so-called liberal blogosphere believed this in the first place, and the mainstream media never picked it up. I was on two different blogs – Open Left, which reported the allegations from Daily Kos. On Open Left I asked for evidence, since there was no reason to spread rumors – and the conversation ended almost entirely with a link to Daily Kos. That link consisted of the allegations and the majority of people calling it trolling worthy only of the National Enquirer. And my take was – if there’s a there there, let those who chase scurrilous rumors chase them down and bring forward more to work with – as was true with the Edwards scandal.
    Seriously – we’re getting more mileage out of the rebuttal than we did out of the allegations. And frankly- I almost think that’s deliberate.

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  91. Amos Anan says:

    I have to laugh at the high and mighty, superior journalistic tone of Clemons’ post. First of all it’s obvious if this had involved Democrats the news would be saturated with the complete lack of morals that Democrats represent. Don’t involve the children? Don’t make me laugh. Wait, I’m already laughing. 😛
    Palin (the elder) surprises everyone when she announces that she’s pregnant. Her lack of the usual outward physical signs of pregnancy are far outside of norm. Far outside. But after the announcement is made she shows those physical signs. Theatrical prosthetics? Who knows? I don’t care other than Republicans have claimed some sort of Godly higher plain of morals and life styles that they never seem to actually live up to. Yet they’re always to be given a pass or forgiven. Democrats? Never. Never, ever, ever, never. Really. Do you think a Democrat who as a POW made propaganda tapes for the enemy could possibly run for the presidency? Oh. Sorry. Another taboo subject never to be brought up, because it doesn’t favor a Republican.
    My only thought on this new revelation of Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy – how long before there’s an announcement of a miscarriage? Nobody could ever question the veracity of the news because the family is so devastated and distraught.
    Joe Sudbay at AMERICAblog is right. This is Jerry Springer territory.

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  92. Minne says:

    Lets remember ALL the excuses that were used for President Clinton’s behavior with an employee and another employee.

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  93. susan says:

    Anyone think that Rove might be working behind the scenes setting McCain up for failure?
    McCain is a maroon if this possibility hasn’t crossed his mind.

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  94. Tom says:

    Here here! Go Minne, go!

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  95. Tom says:

    Ladeyday, you have no idea of what knowledge Bristol did or did not have. You’re making assumptions based on your rabid hatred of anyone who is “pro-life”.
    To call the belief that the life of a child begins at conception “wacky” is obnoxious and ill-informed in the extreme.
    There are people who believe that a new life begins at conception. This isn’t wacky, it’s scientific fact.
    There are people who believe that a life, especially an innocent life, should be considered sacred. This isn’t wacky, it’s simply (in their mind) ethical and moral. Maybe you consider that it’s only people who cling to their religion that feel this way.

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  96. Minne says:

    Where is Obama’s birth certificate?
    Why is it wrong to bring up Obama’s relationship to Bill Ayers,
    When will somebody tell me about his career accomplishments?

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  97. curmudgeon says:

    Three points that need to be made.
    One, the baby obviously is Sarah Palin’s and until someone posts definitive proof otherwise, everyone would be wise to just shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
    Second, the family values of the Palin’s are not at issue in this election campaign, AT PRESENT. Everyone has the right to privacy and to make choices for thier own lives and families.
    Third, the very next minute after Palin or any conservative operative makes one comment about the family values of Obama or Biden, then point TWO becomes FAIR GAME. You cannot have it both ways my dear right wing friends, either a family’s privacy is respected, a daughter’s choices are her own, and a mother’s decision is one she is free to make as a American or IT IS NOT!
    I pledge to honour the Palin’s decisions and concentrate on the real issues. I pray that for their children’s sake that they choose to do the same for all our children and their choices.
    A fair warning to all.

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  98. rupert says:

    Sure. As soon as everyone who distributed “Obama is a Muslim” E mails apoligizes.

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  99. Adam Selzer says:

    I don’t think the fact that her daughter is pregnant is any way a
    poor reflection on Sarah Palin or her parenting skills.
    But to enter into a national campaign knowing full well that this
    would come out is awfully hard to defend. I hope the media will
    respect Bristol’s privacy, but, well, get real. It’s not as though the
    right would have been understanding and respectful if this had
    happened with Chelsea Clinton. How respectful were they of Jamie
    Lynn Spears a few months ago?

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  100. ladeyday says:

    This poor 17 year old child. Due to her mother’s wacky beliefs, had no knowledge of how to protect herself from pregnancy, and now forced into a marriage at 17. If her mother becomes VP, where does that leave her? Does she now move, with new husband, new baby in tow to D.C. to be near mom, or stay in AK with no support? If McCain DID know, he’s more of a fool today then he was Friday, which proved him more of a terrible fool than the day before.

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  101. Tahoe Editor says:

    Biden told us years ago we’d have to accept a nuclear-armed Iran. He may be right, but saying it makes him as electorally viable as Steve’s proposal to follow Europe and inflate gas prices to $7 a gallon.

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  102. Jeff Yowell says:

    If she is 5 months pregnant, that means Bristol will give birth
    around January 20 of next year. So the conundrum will be: Attend
    her boss’ innauguration, or go to the hospital for the birth of her
    grandbaby? Hmmm….

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  103. tom says:

    Sarah Palin isn’t involved in any scandal. Her daughter is pregnant. That’s all. She didn’t try to cover anything up (see also, John Edwards). She didn’t lie (See also Bill Clinton).
    Doesn’t her daughter enjoy the right of privacy? Oh, wait, is that only when a woman decides to get an abortion?

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  104. Cookie says:

    For all of you lefty fear mongers who want us all to be scared to death that McCain/Palin will reverse Roe v. Wade, you’ve got to be kidding. You act like one guy can just wave his hand and Roe v. Wade is undone. I got news for you. That genie isn’t ever going back into that bottle, no matter who’s in office. They may tighten some restrictions (generally a good thing to do) but it will never be overturned. No way. So the Left should stop all the scare tactics to try to hold on to the female vote. It’s as stale and tired as trying to scare the old people over Social Security. That dog just don’t hunt anymore.

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  105. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Gee, imagine, in the short time span of this “scandal”, all the sudden Iran became “nuclear armed”. Damn, Johnson, we shoulda listened to AIPAC’s lying bullshit after all. Who coulda guessed?

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  106. PDXEric says:

    Are you all serious? What does it matter anyhow? Not that I’m a Palin fan, but why don’t you people spend time on the real issues and problems that are facing this country. If not, I’m sure Paris Hilton has a new video for y’all to check out. Grow up.

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  107. Tom says:

    You democrats slay me. you claim to support women’s rights to privacy, but apparently only when they’ve got a (D) by their name.
    What is it about women that make you not want them to be in the executive branch? Hillary Clinton was, by far, the more qualified candidate for President, but you let jokes about her pant suits and other crap get in your way, and you nominated a man who has no executive experience, a man who has no foreign policy experience, until his “Ich bin ein Berliner” moment, a man who needed three tries to decide how to respond to Russian aggression to Georgia.
    Barack Obama’s was nominated because of the lopsided voting by one bloc of voters. Because of this, you’re stuck with a candidate who is uniquely unqualified to be President.
    In order to further his candidacy, Barack Obama resorted to sexism to diminish Hillary Clinton. Because the press likes a good story, they piled on. Hillary Clinton would have been a more successful and qualified candidate. John Edwards, who should never have run, knowing that his affair would be outed, should never have run, HRC would have won, had this been the case.
    Now, let’s look at Sarah Palin. She’s been a small business owner. She’s been the mayor of a town, and the governor of a state. She time in executive office, making real decisions that affect real lives, far exceeds Barack Obama’s.
    Why, then, do democrats insist that Barack Obama is MORE qualified to hold the nuclear trigger on day 1 of his Presidency? Sarah Palin won’t get the trigger unless something dire happens to John McCain, and the president gets the best health care in the world. She will, most likely, go the entire 4 or 8 years without the issue arising.
    The argument is that Joe Biden will be there to help him learn the office? What? Please tell me you’re not electing Biden to be Obama’s mentor. John McCain knows how to run things, and Sarah Palin will learn.

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  108. We're Screwed says:

    To … and Dan (and I’m guessing now that … is male ) — Again,
    this is about hypocrite Palin trying to take away the reproductive
    rights of women in this country even though she’s not even
    “pro-life” enough to ensure the relative safety of her high-risk
    child. And now her daughter is pregnant at 17 — maybe birth
    control would have helped her daughter rather than the
    abstinence-only that Palin wants to shove down our and our
    children’s throats.
    If you think this issue is trivial then I would suggest that you
    never have sex with a woman again — you probably won’t in
    any case during or post a Palin/ McCain presidency because
    many mature women just aren’t going to take the risk of having
    unprotected sex and getting pregnant. I sure won’t — I’ve done
    my time.
    We are talking about putting women back into the pre-birth
    control slavery of not having any choice on how to run their
    lives, and … and Dan Kervick are thanking Steve for “staying
    above the fray.”
    There is a great divide in this country and it’s not what people
    think: it’s between some men,and women like Sarah Palin, who
    think that the government should repress women by regulating
    their reproductive freedom. On the other side is the vast
    majority of women, who know what it’s like to live in fear of an
    unwanted pregnancy and so demand the right to control their
    own bodies.
    This issue is larger than Sarah Palin: it’s about women being
    allowed to control their own wombs and by extension, their own
    lives. Sarah Palin has shown in actual deed that she is not pro-
    life, but yet, if McCain doesn’t last another five years, she will
    demand the right to stop women doing something as simple as
    using a condom.
    So not only will abortion, which at that point will revert to
    dangerous back-street abortions, go up, but so will the rate of
    AIDs and other STDs.
    Good work … and Dan!
    BTW: questions, last night I read on an Alaskan blog that Bristol
    Palin was pregnant. Just watch how fast the Fundies will spin
    this to be that Palin’s daughter did sin in having sex before
    marriage, but since Christ is her savior, she is already saved in
    his eyes. Hate the sin, love the sinner, but only if they’re
    Republican.
    Mr. Kervick, Palin is VERY clear about her political agenda when
    it comes to reproductive rights. She could not be clearer, in fact
    it’s one of the few “policy issues” that she’s clear about. Palin is
    against birth control, she is against allowing women to have an
    abortion even in the case of rape, incest and the life of the
    mother being at risk. This is her PUBLIC political stance.
    Palin has proven that she’s a hypocrite in her private life, but
    again this is her PUBLIC POLITICAL STANCE. One that will affect
    almost every single person in the U.S., from the 15-year-old
    denied birth control, to the boyfriend of the 15-year-old who
    has to drop out of Jr. High to try to help provide for the new
    baby, to the grandmothers of the 15-year-olds who have to
    take care of the child, to the child itself, who will most likely
    grow-up in poverty and not get the chance to bond fully with his
    or her biological parents.
    Palin’s own daughter is going through this, and Palin speaks
    about how tough it’s going to be for her daughter and her
    fiance, but would never-the-less deny the right to birth control
    to the rest of the women, including the young women, in this
    country — how could that not be important as a public policy
    issue? Again, one of the few that Palin has been clear on her
    stance about.
    I can only imagine what the laws in this country would be like if
    men could get pregnant, and were denied the right to use birth
    control.
    And I can’t imagine that men, after years of having “free” sex,
    would really like it when the government sex-police stopped
    use of any form of birth control. Men from puberty to death
    would be back to their five-fingered “girlfriends” and Playboy
    would have an amazing resurgence. As would STDs and back
    street abortions.
    My relatives, friends and spouse would laugh any person out of
    the country who called me “pro-abortion.” I’ve had two high-
    risk, unwanted pregnancies, and chose both times to keep them.
    As I would chose every time, because I feel that abortion is
    murder. I think that “partial-birth” abortion is infanticide, as is
    any abortion after the baby is viable outside the womb.
    However, I do not want the government regulating my womb,
    from the simple choice of using protection, which Sarah Palin
    wants to deny us, to requiring a woman or girl who has gone
    through the horrible experience of rape or incest to carry that
    child to term, which Sarah Palin also wants to deny us.
    BTW Stubby: if the women on here were all homosexual, why
    would we care about reproductive rights? Kind of like Obama
    being a Muslim but having a crazy Christian pastor. Stubby, you
    can’t have it both ways, think logically, would ya?
    And Rove was behind the rumors of McCain’s adopted daughter
    being his illegetimate “black” love child, but now McCain and
    Rove speak “frequently” according to McCain’s staff. Proving
    that McCain is as big a hypocrite as Palin.

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  109. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “I sense we have a lot of homosexual woman haters posting in here. The more I hear this Palin woman being attacked the more I’m convinced that most of these attackers are indeed homosexuals”
    Yikes.
    Yeah thats it, we are all nasty ‘ol faggots in bitch mode.
    Unfrickinbelievable.
    And the honest, (although inexplicably coincidental) exposure of Bristol’s current pregnancy, (can it get any weirder than this?) was undoubtedly the result of poor Bristol forgetting to remove her wedding band during Sarah’s photo op. Regardless, the HONEST AND FORTHRIGHT disclosure of Bristol’s pregnancy removes it from the realm of being an acceptable focus of political attack. At this point Sarah and her family, especially Bristol, deserve privacy and consideration to deal with this matter as they may.
    But you know what? It just doesn’t get any weirder than this.

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  110. Jonathan says:

    Sarah owes the public an apology for being such a right-wing idealogue…
    Her 17 yr old daughter is pregant, & the governor herself is involved in a scandal…
    Sarah Palin is a horrible candiate & equally as bad a person…

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  111. Tahoe Editor says:

    GERARD BAKER: Sarah Palin vs. Barack Obama
    Democrats, between sniggers of derision and snorts of disgust, contend that Sarah Palin, John McCain’s vice presidential pick, is ridiculously unqualified to be president.
    It’s a reasonable objection on its face except for this small objection: It surely needs to be weighed against the Democrats’ claim that their own candidate for president is self-evidently ready to assume the role of most powerful person on the planet.
    At first blush, here’s what we know about the relative experience of the two candidates. Both are in their mid-forties and have held statewide elective office for less than four years. Both have admitted to taking illegal drugs in their youth.
    So much for the similarities. How about the differences?
    OBAMA: Worked his way to the top by cultivating, pandering to and stroking the most powerful interest groups in the all-pervasive Chicago political machine, ensuring his views were aligned with the power brokers there.
    PALIN: Worked her way to the top by challenging, attacking and actively undermining the Republican Party establishment in her native Alaska. She ran against incumbent Republicans as a candidate willing and able to clean the Augean Stables of her state’s government.
    OBAMA: A classic, if unusually talented, greasy-pole climber. Held a succession of jobs that constitute the standard route to the top in his party’s internal politics: “community organizer”, law professor, state senator.
    PALIN: A woman with a wide range of interests in a well-variegated life. Held a succession of jobs — sports journalist, commercial fisherwoman, state oil and gas commissioner, before entering local politics. A resume that suggests something other than burning political ambition from the cradle but rather the sort of experience that enables her to understand the concerns of most Americans.
    OBAMA: Elected to statewide office only after a disastrous first run for a congressional seat and after his Republican opponent was exposed in a sexual scandal. Won seat eventually in contest against a candidate who didn’t even live in the state.
    PALIN: Elected to statewide office by challenging a long-serving Republican incumbent governor despite intense opposition from the party.
    OBAMA: Makes executive decisions every day that affect the lives of his campaign staff and a vast crowd of traveling journalists.
    PALIN: Makes executive decisions every day that affect the lives of 500,000 people in her state, and that impact crucial issues of national economic interest such as the supply and cost of energy to the United States.
    OBAMA: Regards people who “cling” to religion and guns as “bitter.” Spent 20 years being mentored and led spiritually by a man who proclaimed “God damn America” from his pulpit. Mysteriously, this mentor completely disappeared from public sight about four months ago.
    PALIN: Head of her high school Fellowship of Christian Athletes and for many years a member of the Assemblies of God congregation whose preachers have never been known to accuse the United States of deliberately spreading the AIDS virus. They remain in full public sight and can be seen every Sunday in churches across Alaska. A proud gun owner who has been known to cling only to the carcasses of dead caribou felled by her own aim.
    OBAMA: Speaks movingly of the bipartisanship needed to end the destructive politics of “Red America” and “Blue America” but votes in the Senate as a down-the-line Democrat, with one of the most liberal voting records in congress.
    PALIN: Ridiculed by liberals such as John Kerry as a crazed, barely human, Dick Cheney-type conservative but worked wit Democrats in the state legislature to secure landmark anti-corruption legislation. Former state Rep. Ethan Berkowitz — a Democrat — said. “Gov. Palin has made her name fighting corruption within her own party, and I was honored when she stepped across party lines and asked me to co-author her ethics white paper.”
    OBAMA: Devoutly pro-choice. Voted against a bill in the Illinois state senate that would have required doctors to save the lives of babies who survived abortion procedures. The implication of this position is that babies born prematurely during abortions would be left alone, unnourished and unmedicated, until they died.
    PALIN: Devoutly pro-life. Exercised the choice proclaimed by liberals to bring to full term a baby that had been diagnosed in utero with Down syndrome.
    Now it’s true there are other crucial differences. Senator Obama has appeared on “Meet The Press” every other week for the last four years. He has been the subject of hundreds of adoring articles in papers and newsweeklies and TV shows and has written two Emmy-award winning books.
    Governor Palin has never appeared on Meet the Press, never been on the cover of Newsweek. She presumably feels that, as a mother of five children married to a snowmobile champion, who also happens to be the first woman and the youngest person ever to be elected governor of her state, she has not really done enough yet to merit an autobiography.
    Then again, I’m willing to bet that if she had authored The Grapes of Wrath, sung like Edith Piaf and composed La Traviata, she still wouldn’t have won an Emmy.
    Fortunately, it will be up to the American people and not their self-appointed leaders in Hollywood and New York to determine who really has the better experience to be president.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/sarah_palin_vs_barack_obama.html

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  112. Aiala says:

    Oops!
    Seems that the Guv in high red heels was a little too preoccupied with shooting animals and whatnot to pass along those sterling conservative values to daughter Bristol, who is now a knocked-up unwed 17-year-old.
    Sic transit gloria mundi!
    ~A~

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  113. derek N says:

    “Thanks to Andrew Sullivan “??? He was the piece of s#@!t who was spreading all the scurrilous rumors. You people are SCUM!!

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  114. jajohnson says:

    Sorry, iran

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  115. Billy says:

    “Now is there ANYONE that is truly so ignorant that they think this Palin creature is qualified to hold the fate of mankind in her trigger finger?”
    Tahoe Editor?
    Hey, TaHo’, we are leading 1 to 0. We got a response directly from McBane/Palin to combat our musings. You ain’t got nuttin’ yet to show from your cutting and pasting. So we are winning 1 to 0.

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  116. jajohnson says:

    And this is more relevant the lets say a nuclear armed Iraq?
    Biden told Israel to accept nuclear Iran
    US Senator and vice presidential hopeful Joe Biden reportedly told Israeli officials three years ago that sooner or later they would have to reconcile themselves to the reality of a nuclear-armed Iran.
    Israel’s Army Radio reported on the remarks, which Biden is said to have made to visiting Israeli officials in his capacity as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
    According to the report, Biden reaffirmed to the Israelis his rejection of military action against Iran, but also admitted that diplomatic efforts to halt Iran’s nuclear program had little or no chance of success. In essence, Biden resigned himself to the idea of a nuclear-armed Iran and told the Israelis that they, too, would have to accept that outcome.
    Israeli security officials on Monday expressed concern over the remarks and saw them as further evidence that if Biden and his running mate, Senator Barack Obama, win the upcoming US presidential election, Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons will be a foregone conclusion.

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  117. susan says:

    I’m up for leaving this topic, but here’s one last beaut: (Sorry, Dan!)
    Palin’s spokesman didn’t know about pregnancy two days ago.
    From TPM Election Central:
    The Daily News had asked Palin’s press secretary, Bill McAllister, over the weekend to address rumors that Bristol was pregnant.
    “I don’t know. I have no evidence that Bristol’s pregnant,” he said on Saturday.
    (but John McCain said he was informed a week ago)

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  118. Robert Morrow says:

    Bristol Palin is in fact PREGNANT right now … so I guess that means Sarah Palin was not faking a pregnancy on her daughter’s behalf…
    It was fun watching POA screw this one up … but after learning about the Clintons and the Bushes, anything is possible with people and politics. Not to mention John Edwards …
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13050.html

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  119. S.M. Stirling says:

    God, do you people think that politics frees you from the restraints of basic human decency?
    Serious ick factor. As in, “totally beyond the pale, I cannot bear to be associated in any way with such creeps”.
    I registered as a Democrat the day I was naturalized. This sort of thing is making me reconsider.
    j7bbg4

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  120. In earnest says:

    Let’s face it—The Daily Kos crowd wouldn’t be in such a desperate frenzy out of righteous indignation. Instead, it is out of HIGH ANXIETY. They understand the potential threat Salin Palin represents to the Marxist conquest of Washington. They want to crush the seed of their oppenent’s victory before it grows any further.
    They are only showing their true colors. Get used to it. More to follow.

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  121. psibilia says:

    It’s a shame she has to confront this, but then again it’s a shame her chief qualifications for office were her judgement and the fact that she’s a mother of five. It is perfectly reasonable to question her success in those departments; particularly in light of her desire to force teaching of creationism and abstinence only of all of us whilst denying women choice — even birth control. I think it’s incumbent upon “values politicians” to keep their own houses squeaky clean or — better yet — stop playing that card.

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  122. Brian says:

    Most of you on here look like damn fools now. Your insatiable desire for dirt and sleaze made some of you look almost mentally unstable. Do we have nothing better to discuss. I am the father of four and delivered one of them myself so for those of you babbling on with no experience in parenthood then allow me to inform you that in the last two months the baby grows alot and many fit women do not show until late.
    Before you made fools of yourselves maybe you should have tried to see how she carried the other four, maybe she doesn’t show much. Anyway as it stand her daughter is currently pregnant so go find some other non-existent scandal to spend your obviously plentiful free time on.

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  123. Trouble Town says:

    Palin’s 2006 AK governor questionnaire:
    Question:”Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage
    education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-
    based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?”
    Palin’s response: “Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find
    my support”

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  124. Paul Norheim says:

    I agree with Dan Kervick here, but have to admit that watching
    POA acting as an expert on faked pregnancy was rather
    entertaining…
    I would suggest that the commentators take a break from the
    “amniotic leakage” theory as well – especially the moralists,
    blaming someone they don`t know for something they don`t
    know for sure. Do you all want to end up like Kenneth Starr?
    Back to the issues, folks. And among those issues: how do you
    “send this PTA mom back to Wasilla where she belongs, keeping
    the black bears out of the city dump” – as POA so eloquently
    formulated it. You may be “willing to roll around in the gutter to
    do it”, POA, but just like pregnancy, sensationalism is not your
    field. Stick to your talent, by insulting McCain, Rove etc…

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  125. s.b. says:

    Thanks to Andrew Sullivan? He is one of the people trying to get hits on his blog by maligning a 17 year old and an infant with Down’s syndrome. The man is a monster. He deserves to be sued for libel not thanked.

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  126. Malachi says:

    Liberals are so nonjudgmental, it’s so beautiful.

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  127. Stubby Kaye says:

    I sense we have a lot of homosexual woman haters posting in here. The more I hear this Palin woman being attacked the more I’m convinced that most of these attackers are indeed homosexuals. Hate her on the issues not her personal life. As for you liberal women why don’t you take your abortion message into the inner cities where abortion is warranted and needed? I pass some pretty despicable places where I see young black kids running around without supervision. Should they have been aborted?

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  128. susan says:

    Marshall’s take on this:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
    Just Really Odd
    We haven’t touched it. But you probably know there have been internet-based rumors claiming that Sarah Palin’s newborn son Trig is actually the son of her 17 year old daughter, Bristol. In an effort to knock down these rumors, Palin and the McCain camp have now put out a statement claiming that Bristol Palin is currently five months pregnant with another child, which she plans to keep and that she will soon marry the father.
    I really do not know what to make of this story. But we wanted to keep you up on the latest and particularly the McCain/Palin statement.
    –Josh Marshall

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  129. Dan Kervick says:

    We’re Screwed:
    Sarah Palin’s far right views and public policy positions on reproductive rights, contraception, abortion, etc., are certainly relevant political issues, and a damn good reason – among many others – to oppose her candidacy.
    But how she, or her daughter, or both, handle their own personal reproductive lives is a private family matter really is none of our business. It doesn’t matter whether she is or is not a hypocrite, since it’s politicians’ policy agendas, not their personal behavior, that should matter to us as voters.
    And replacing a serious discussion and critique of Plain’s extreme views on the issues with weeks of media-driven and blog-driven persecution, to find out the Real Dirty Truth about Trig Palin, will actually undermine the pro abortion rights side. It will stain the whole pro-choice camp by association with a mean-spirited and out-of-control pitchfork patrol, a fanatical citizens’ brigade determined to rummage though Sarah Palin’s dirty reproductive laundry, to find the bloody panties and dig out The Truth. This whole spectacle is ugly and repulsive.
    Just like I believe every American has a right to a fair trial and to freedom from unwarranted searches and seizures, even those Americans who use their freedoms to advocate draconian anti-American changes in our criminal procedures, so I believe every American has a right to privacy in their reproductive decisions and behavior, even those Americans who support ending that privacy for others. Whether Sarah Palin actually was pregnant, and how she chose to handle her pregnancy assuming she was pregnant, is none of our business. We should stick to her views on public policy, which definitely *are* our business since she is running for the vice presidency.

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  130. Bern says:

    That poor young lady is having a child out of wed lock all because her mother refused her proper birth control just like she will refuse your children and get them into trouble. And Abstinence! another charade she apt to champion; what the hell happened to the abstinence!. And then we have McCain with the unexplained Negro child in his family! We are sure lucky S. Carolinians found out about that in time to put the kahbosh on his first candidacy.

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  131. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Heres the deal for me.
    We have enough weaponry to wipe mankind off the face of the earth many times over. And, judging by the events of the last eight years, all the safeguards we THOUGHT were in place, all the checks and balances we THOUGHT were in place, all the media oversight we THOUGHT was in place, has failed us miserably. How’d NORAD work out for us in preventing the attacks on the WTC? How’s Congressional oversight working out for us as far as reining in this Administration? How’s the protections against governmental domestic spying worked out for us?
    Point being, after these past eight years, imagining that the unthinkable can’t occur, that there are fail-safe safeguards against a nuclear holocaust, IS JUST LUDICROUS. If nothing else, surely the last eight years has shown us that anything CAN happen, and with the correct dosage of corruption, paired with a healthy dose of imcompetence and ineptitude, can allow even the unthinkable to occur, no matter how many safeguards we THINK protect us.
    Now is there ANYONE that is truly so ignorant that they think this Palin creature is qualified to hold the fate of mankind in her trigger finger?
    Look, I don’t care if its an issue of “true import” such as Dan Kervick concerns himself with, or a tabloid style scandal that takes this gal down. The important thing is keeping this woman from getting her hands on the nuclear trigger. PERIOD. And you’re damned tootin’ some of us are willing to roll around in the gutter to do it. I won’t lie to do it, and I won’t ride a dead horse to do it. But if there is ANY shred of credibility to a circumstance, action, or scandal that serves to send this woman back to Wasilla, then you can count on THIS pissed off American to milk it for all its worth.
    And you don’t think one American can affect things? Well, without one American, theres isn’t ten Americans. And without ten, there aren’t one hundred.
    And don’t kid yourself, Steve’s blog gets read.
    Send this PTA mom back to Wasilla where she belongs, keeping the black bears out of the city dump.

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  132. Doug says:

    I don’t think the photo proves anything. Obviously, not enough people have been watching Desperate Housewives. Remember Bree Van de Kamp? (Google her name and check out Wikipedia.)

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  133. bks says:

    Doctor did *not* give Palin permission to fly. She was never consulted on that question.
    –bks

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  134. We're Screwed says:

    To … and Dan (and I’m guessing now that … is male ) — Again,
    this is about hypocrite Palin trying to take away the reproductive
    rights of women in this country even though she’s not even
    “pro-life” enough to ensure the relative safety of her high-risk
    child. And now her daughter is pregnant at 17 — maybe birth
    control would have helped her daughter rather than the
    abstinence-only that Palin wants to shove down our and our
    children’s throats.
    If you think this issue is trivial then I would suggest that you
    never have sex with a woman again — you probably won’t in
    any case during or post a Palin/ McCain presidency because
    many mature women just aren’t going to take the risk of having
    unprotected sex and getting pregnant. I sure won’t — I’ve done
    my time.
    We are talking about putting women back into the pre-birth
    control slavery of not having any choice on how to run their
    lives, and … and Dan Kervick are thanking Steve for “staying
    above the fray.”
    There is a great divide in this country and it’s not what people
    think: it’s between some men,and women like Sarah Palin, who
    think that the government should repress women by regulating
    their reproductive freedom. On the other side is the vast
    majority of women, who know what it’s like to live in fear of an
    unwanted pregnancy and so demand the right to control their
    own bodies.
    This issue is larger than Sarah Palin: it’s about women being
    allowed to control their own wombs and by extension, their own
    lives. Sarah Palin has shown in actual deed that she is not pro-
    life, but yet, if McCain doesn’t last another five years, she will
    demand the right to stop women doing something as simple as
    using a condom.
    So not only will abortion, which at that point will revert to
    dangerous back-street abortions, go up, but so will the rate of
    AIDs and other STDs.
    Good work … and Dan!
    BTW: questions, last night I read on an Alaskan blog that Bristol
    Palin was pregnant. Just watch how fast the Fundies will spin
    this to be that Palin’s daughter did sin in having sex before
    marriage, but since Christ is her savior, she is already saved in
    his eyes. Hate the sin, love the sinner, but only if they’re
    Republican.

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  135. susan says:

    Palin has stated that she doesn’t know what a vp does. Here’s an idea for her:
    Being a fundie mother of five with a special needs infant and an unmarried pregnant teenage daughter, maybe she should withdraw from the race and tend to her own family.

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  136. Tahoe Editor says:

    “People love to spout off about women’s birth choices.”
    A Christian mother of five who was in consultation with her doctor who advised her to take the flight after a slight leak in her amniotic fluid.
    This is not a battlefield liberals want to enter. Their standard-bearer wants to protect a doctor’s right to kill a born-alive baby if the mother wishes.
    So keep spouting off about Palin’s birth choices if you want to put some more chinks in the Messiah’s rapidly rusting armor.

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  137. chopper says:

    People who were pushing the babygate thing got way too excited over what they thought was an easy kill, and lost sight of the fact that not only was it kind of scummy in a Republican-smear way to push that line, but that it wasn’t even necessary.
    Palin has numerous negatives and glaring faults that are all the ground needed. She would make an absolutely horrible VP and President simply because of her radical idealogy. She is unqualified and a radical religious rightist, whose knee-jerk conservative philosophy is a complete failure.
    The story their pushing for her that’s she some type of “reformer” is an empty shell. It already is crumbling under scrutiny. She has abused the power of her office and fired an underling for doing his job properly, and has a hand in influence peddling to big oil interests. On top of her close ties to the corrupt and disgraced Republican Senator Ted Stevens. Stevens was her primary mentor and benfactor in her climb from mayor of a tiny 9000 person town to governor, then VP candidate.
    She is not fit for national office. And we don’t need to stoop into the muck like Republicans to show it. Kill her on the issues. Let the Repubs wallow in filth. It’s all they have.

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  138. Don Bacon says:

    WS,
    Your view (and your crazed attack on Dan) that the primary consideration for selecting a US president is abortion is your view. There are others.
    (1) Many US citizens are against abortion.
    (2) Many US citizens really don’t care what the laws are on abortion.
    (3) Some on the Supreme Court (e.g. Scalia, Thomas) believe, as you do, that the US government should not control women’s reproductive rights and that any such laws ought to be the responsibility of the states.

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  139. questions says:

    NY Times reporting that Bristol is NOW pregnant and marrying the father soon….
    And McC already knew about the teen’s pregnancy when he picked Palin.

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  140. david says:

    …what does this picture prove? Bree on Desperate Housewives showed how to have a baby without having a baby!

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  141. ... says:

    thanks for staying out of the fray on this one steve…. you may not be perfect, but you get some stuff really right.. i’m with dan kervick in wanting to stay focused on important issues and not rumours..

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  142. PissedOffAmerican says:

    This is hardball, folks, and if you aren’t ready to play it, then don’t be suprised when the Republicans get away with torture, treason and genocide, while the Democrats get impeached for blowjobs.
    Bottom line, more Americans will pay attention to a faked pregancy than they will a faked threat of terrorism. A lie about maternity will carry more wieght, more titillation, than a lie about WMDs will. You might not like what that says about America, and neither do I, but its the truth.
    And you can bet, with turmed tides, this slimey piece of shit Rove, and his despicable cohorts, would be all over this “rumor” like flies on shit.

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  143. Joanne says:

    Are there any pictures of Palin holding her blouse up to show her pregnant belly? That’s the picture we need to settled this once and for all.

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  144. Arun says:

    My email to Andrew Sullivan:
    Let us see – the theory is that Palin’s daughter became pregnant, and to cover that up,
    Palin suddenly announced that she was pregnant in the seventh month of her pregnancy,
    which came as a surprise to everyone.
    Then, when in Dallas, her daughter began to deliver, prematurely, so Palin made up
    the symptoms of amniotic leakage, so she could leave the conference and head to Alaska,
    not bothering to be checked in Dallas, Seattle or Anchorage where the medical facilities
    are so much better than in where she ended up, in Wasilla.
    And this theory is “disproved” by a photograph showing Palin looking pregnant?
    How is it disproved? The reasoning is atrocious. Of course Palin would want to appear pregnant.
    In fact, the difficulty in consistently appearing pregnant would be one of the give-aways of
    the deception.

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  145. We're Screwed says:

    Dan, with all due respect, you are missing the point. I think that
    every female on this board, or almost all, are getting the point.
    The point being that Sarah Palin wants to preach to us about the
    sanctity of life, and if she becomes president (McCain could
    pop-off at any minute) would appoint judges that don’t even
    believe in birth control, much less abortion in the case of rape,
    incest, or the life of the mother being in danger.
    Yet, even in the best case scenario, Sarah Palin ENDANGERED
    THE LIFE OF HER OWN CHILD, with her reckless actions.
    Some of the men on this board get it, but I fear many do not. As
    a woman, and a somewhat pro-life woman, I DO NOT WANT
    THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING MY REPRODUCTION.
    And I would venture to guess that very few women, even the
    Fundies deep in their hearts, want birth control banned.
    So Palin is not just a hypocrite, she’s a DANGEROUS hypocrite.
    She will be the most powerful woman in the world, and her
    Supreme Court appointments could set the causes of women
    back into the Dark Ages.
    If Palin truly wanted to stop or lessen abortion she would
    advocate for free and easily available birth control and sex
    education in schools. But instead she wants to ban birth control,
    which will result in tens of millions of unwanted pregnancies,
    and I would guess the vast majority of those would be out-of-
    wedlock.
    Do you get it now, Dan? This issue isn’t between Sarah Palin and
    her family doctor’s advice, it’s letting a hypocritical woman who
    obviously doesn’t even care enough about her own son control
    MY REPRODUCTION and that of every other American woman.

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  146. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “And POA, you can “beef up” pretty quickly when pregnant”
    Hey, speak for yourself. Thats an experience I’ll never experience.
    So now, if in fact this “rumor” is laid to rest, we have a VP choice with neopentecostal dominionists ties, who thinks Adam and Eve had Dino Flintstone on a leash, who has irrefutably lied about Troopergate AND the “Bridge To Nowhere”, and was apparently not subjected to any serious vetting by Walnuts McCain and his competent staff.
    So rest easy, America. Palin’s pregnancy wasn’t faked, it was just stealthy and handled dangerously and irresponsibly.
    And why not teach our kids that Barney shared the watering hole with Fred Flinstone? After all, aren’t ALL “theories” enriching to little Tommy’s growing mind?
    And heck, why wouldn’t we want a VP that has already warned us she’s a prolific liar by prolifically lying? Its a bonus, we know what to expect from her should Walnuts manage to steer his walker into the Oval Office. I mean hey, we wouldn’t want to be flabbergasted and suprised at how slimey and dishonest she may be, like this Cheney abomination turned out to be, would we? Wouldn’t you rather know right from the beginning?
    And BTW, before this Tahoe clown starts spamming this thread with Limbaughisms, I would like to see him tackle explaining the irrefutable LIES that Palin has mouthed about Troopergate and “The Bridge to Nowhere”.

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  147. questions says:

    Bartolo, I think I disagree. There are all sorts of interesting themes here that show partisan divides. Palin’s dearth of policy positions has become, in a way, her chief qualification. This is right up there with the Repub. emphasis on dismantling government. Her coming from a corner of the country and having little travel or even national exposure shows how the Repubs really don’t care about any notion of expertise — ANYone can govern. And any corrupt, bought-out pol can become pure as the driven snow — so long as she’s a Repub.
    Her handling of whatever brought baby Trig into the world is emblematic of conservative values that are at odds with what a lot of other people see. If it’s her baby, why travel and risk and avoid the NICU? If it’s her daughter’s baby, why hide it?
    The Repubs’ attack on Obama for his preacher, his wife, his neighbors, his verbal abilities, his “exoticism” are part of the backstory as well. It’s okay for them to attack (IOKIYAR), but it’s not okay for the dems to do the same?? So suddenly when the dems do it too, it’s the politics of personal destruction??
    The underlying issue here is that the Repubs seem to have a choke hold on narrative structures, and the dems need to find ways to get that same control. You could sort of see it in the convention where EVERY speaker used some of the same phrases, but that is way less effective than having your own partisan fair and balanced tv network and radio network and book publishing network, and a lot of support from the three traditional broadcast networks as well.
    The kos revolution is really about trying to capture narratives and repeat them endlessly and make people see the world from a different perspective. There are howlers for sure, but sometimes they get things right. And let’s face it, how often is Fox really fair and balanced?
    What we have to point out again and again is that the Repubs seem to work in opposite-world. When they say fair and balanced, they mean biased and untrue. When they say unqualified, they mean qualified, and vice versa. When they say good job, they mean bad job. When they say family values, they don’t mean it! When they say war is justified, they mean the opposite. When they say open and shut/cakewalk/evidence/WMD…. what do they ever mean?
    And when they say she’s a reformer who will take on big oil, watch out!
    Palin fits this narrative reversal. So it’s important to vet all of the corners and find the lies. And of course it’s important to get to the policy differences. Oh, but she doesn’t have a lot of stated policies. That’s why she’s so very qualified…..
    By not trusting her and by refusing to take her at face value, yes we look crude and untrusting, but what’s there to trust?

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  148. dckrl says:

    This great weblog had a great tradition to avoid personal attacks based on mere rumors or stark malignity.
    Stay that way. Don’t go where so many bloggers feel tempted to go.

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  149. Disgusted in Dallas says:

    Oh my Gawd! I though Palin was off the hook when I saw the story circulating that she was not the pregnant one and she was doing all she could to protect her daughter and family by claiming her daughter’s child to be hers. I thought she was a Saint.
    But now we find it was really her pregnant, really her who had such disregard for the well-being of her child after her water broke by not going to the hospital immediately. She knows perfectly well what to do when this emergengy arises having been pregnant at least 4 times before.
    She purposely tried to lose the child that she knew had downs syndrome!
    It’s the only explanation for her gross negligence. No women as intelligent as her could do a thing like that without pre-meditation and a clear purpose to do the unthinkable.
    And she will get away with it!

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  150. Dan Kervick says:

    Look, I personally don’t have any pressing desire to know the truth here. I guess that means I don’t have an enquiring mind. And I’m also convinced that this is a national discussion we really, really, really don’t want to have right now.
    So far, I count it as a plus that this election has steered clear of most of the crazy cultural issues that have divided the country for decades, and has dwelt mainly on other things. I don’t want to spend the next two months talking about how women should or should not behave during their pregnancies, and about private Palin family matters. I want to focus on China, Russia, the Middle East, the federal budget, taxes, the declining middle class standard of living, infrastructure spending, defense spending, education costs, energy security, alternative energy, and the environment.
    Tye obsession with this rumor disturbs me. Where could this prurient inquiry possibly be headed? Suppose the suspicions are true. Suppose, for example, that Palin’s daughter discovered she was pregnant and wanted to have an abortion, especially after learning the baby had Down’s syndrome, and Palin talked her into having the baby, scamming the media and letting Plain raise it as her own. Some pro-choice voters will be repulsed by this behavior; some pro-life people will have a new reason for thinking Palin is a hero. The issue will be discussed in the media for weeks on end, with no better prospect of resolution than we have reached on any other abortion-related issue since 1973.
    Meanwhile, whatever the outcome of the debate, the right wing will have succeeded in re-energizing their base by injecting abortion and related cultural issues back into an election that they are so far losing on the issues. We will wast valuable weeks taking time out for the lowest form of water-cooler gossip and sensationalistic tabloidization of American politics.
    Let’s just not go there.

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  151. Steve says:

    Next up? Why is some stupid old man from Arizona getting in the way of relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi?
    Maybe trying to score political points…

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  152. We're Screwed says:

    A DNA test would clear all this up, but I sense the long hand of
    Karl Rove in all this. Remember that he’s the “man” who
    promised free beer to bums to get them to turn out as
    “Democrats” then called in the news cameras to show that the
    Dems were really a bunch beer-drinking bums. Goebbels is his
    idol.
    Rove probably did vet Palin and heard the faked pregnancy
    rumors that have floated around Alaska for months. So he chose
    her, knowing that the blogosphere would soon find out, and
    then Rove’s operatives most probably planted some of the most
    heinous faked pregnancy rumors themselves.
    Heard the one about incest being the cause of the Down’s?
    That’s got Rove all over it.
    The net result? The Dems look like they are questioning the
    integrity of Super Mom — a woman so noble that she took her
    Down’s child to (almost) term (despite knowing that as Gov. and
    possible VP she would not have the time to deal with his special
    needs). Heroically flying back to her home state so that her son
    would not only be born in that state, but IN THE SAME TOWN
    that she grew-up in and was mayor of, delivered by her family
    doctor who she nominated for an award (when the boy should
    have been delivered in a NICU)
    Brings tears to the eyes of pro-life moms everywhere, while they
    spit on those nasty, down-in-the-gutter Democrats, who are
    impugning the honor of Sarah Palin, Mother of the Year, moose
    eater, gun shooter, man’s woman yet beauty queen who can
    look quite tarty at times.
    Rove sure knows how to play chess. That DNA test will never
    come out so the rumors (possibly fueled by him) will just get
    louder. And that will drive the Fundies to the polls to protect
    poor Sarah Palin.
    And Bartolo, haven’t the last eight years convinced you not to
    put anything past the GOP and the Dems? We are in an endless
    war based on lies. Lies that the mainstream media had a huge
    hand in propagating. Talk about “tin foil” territory.
    Our phones are tapped and emails read because of one tragic
    day in September. A day that we don’t know and never will learn
    about what happened.
    We no longer have Habeas Corpus. The fourth amendment is
    gone — replaced by TSA thugs who molest us at the airport
    (although they obviously didn’t molest Sarah Palin enough —
    even those mentally challenged TSA gangsters should have
    noticed her state of pregnancy).
    How can you really put anything past the Cheney/ Rove gang
    and their enablers in the Democratic party after these last eight
    years of heck?

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  153. finest says:

    Pull your heads out of your collective asses. You’re all
    sick.

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  154. pauline says:

    I don’t mind if parents want to protect a pregnant teen, especially by pulling her out of high school. That’s understanding and acceptable to my way of thinking. However, if the baby through dna truly belongs to her daughter, how can Palin accept the VP slot knowing this may open a ton of additional questions and totally embarass her running mate? Palin’s decisions and actions may be both unthoughtful and fraudulent. Her credibility is at stake here, as well as a 72 year old maverick’s, and she needs to do some xplainin’.
    If it’s the “real case” the baby is hers, then Palin has made some unsafe, foolish choices to a potential special-needs unborn child.
    In either case, if Palin wants to run as VP, she deserves every bit of scrutiny even if Steve and Sullivan think a couple of photos solve the issue.
    The American people deserve much more information to accurately weigh this matter.

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  155. Linda says:

    The thread yesterday was among the most ridiculous ever on TWN as Carroll and several others pointed out, especially since it was mostly responding to Tahoe Editor whose only purpose on TWN is to provoke and disrupt.
    I believe that all apologies that are due to Palin for invasion of the privacy of her personal medical history and her family life should be accompanied by discussion of related issues. All women have a right to privacy and not to have the government or the media in their lives and wombs. Palin has that right, but she is wrong on this issue for all women who want the right to choose about their own wombs and lives.
    So while I respect Palin’s rights, it is very fair game to ask why she has any right or should be given any power in elected office to override and not respect mine, especially not to appoint Supreme Court justices that agree with her ideology. The Republican party platform is clear on this, and that is not my idea of limited government.

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  156. Bartolo says:

    Boys and girls, this is tin foil hat territory. There are many important issues that divide the Democrats and the GOP; this is not one of them.

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  157. navarro says:

    i think the biggest reason she engenders such skepticism over this is that if she really was pregnant and took such an enormous risk to her and her baby’s health as to take a long plane flight while she was leaking amniotic fluid that says things about her that are hard to reconcile with her beliefs in the sanctity of the unborn. it says things about her that cast more serious questions on her judgment than faking a pregnancy for reasons of family pride would.

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  158. cs says:

    I just wanted to comment and say that, while I too am skeptical at how well she hid a fifth pregnancy at seven months, it is true that a woman can grow very rapidly at the end of pregnancy. For me personally, my stomach literally doubled in size from 36 weeks to 40 weeks.
    Also, I second the comment regarding how reckless she was to take an 8 hour flight while leaking amniotic fluid so long before her due date. If she were ignorant of the circumstances, then maybe I could understand. But she clearly said that she was in labor. I find this mind-boggling, to say the least.

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  159. questions says:

    So why does Palin engender such skepticism anyway? Why is she not just trusted?
    And in the face of such clear evidence — a picture on the web, surely we should BELIEVE.
    And POA, you can “beef up” pretty quickly when pregnant.

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  160. pauline says:

    After seeing the comment section open here, I’ll move my previous post over.
    *********
    Steve,
    You are really convinced of Sullivan’s few shown photos as THE deciding evidence? Really?
    Please go back to Sullivan’s original post with the 17 year old holding the baby, wedding ring on her finger, and search out the other family pictures that show the teen with an early “pregnancy bump”. And explain with much more convincing evidence the teen’s missing months from school (mono?) that conveniently match when she would have fully shown her own pregnancy.
    Then go to the closest costume/wardrobe department and find a choice of “pregnancy” pillows. Ever see your favorite actress play a “pregnant” role?
    Sorry, I definitely need a lot more to convince me.
    Steve, please, politics is a great deal of theater and make-believe. That isn’t too much of a pregnant thought, is it?

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  161. We're Screwed says:

    I think that everyone here gave Palin the benefit of the doubt
    even though the circumstances were very suspicious, but many
    did (and I still do) have to comment on her pure fecklessness for
    endangering her child’s life in the way that she did.
    Maybe it’s a female thing, but every woman who has been
    pregnant, a nurse or doctor (or those pretending to be) whose
    posts I’ve read in the blogosphere talked about what incredibly
    bad judgement Palin exhibited.
    I don’t expect Steve to understand — last I checked he wasn’t
    female much less a mother, but at least all of you should
    understand that the possibly illegitimate child issues was one
    thing, because if the child were her daughter’s she would have
    thrust that little girl unfairly into the international spotlight.
    But endangering her child’s life, her life, the emotional and
    possibly physical health of her fellow passengers, and the flight
    crew, who would have had to deliver a premature, special needs
    baby in a far from sterile atmosphere, reflects extremely badly
    on Palin’s character.
    So “Baby Gate” should remain an issue because it shows a
    callous disregard for life (of her own son no less!) and the
    feelings and lives of others, her fellow passengers and the flight
    crews.
    BTW: anyone here worked in the film or TV industry? For those
    who haven’t, here’s a clue — most of those actresses who are
    “pregnant” in movies or TV show, aren’t in real life. There are
    certain ways to fake a pregnancy very convincingly.
    Had to throw that in just to tease Steve, but seriously, Sullivan
    doesn’t sound that convinced himself. I will never be convinced
    without a DNA test. And given all the other evidence and
    photos, the fact that Palin is suddenly sporting a belly (one that
    the flight crews by all accounts didn’t notice) does not convince
    me.
    But then I worked in Hollywood for years and have seen many
    things faked. No wonder they call Washington Hollywood for
    ugly people…

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  162. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Hmm. Man, she sure beefed up in less than two months, didn’t she? I guess the stewardesses on the infamous “leaky” flight home were all severely nearsighted, and just missed noticing such an obvious pregnancy. Weirder things have happened, I suppose.
    And damn, its a good thing “Free Republic” had this ONE photo of a pregnant Palin, eh? I mean hey, as under the radar as Palin flew, its a miracle theres ANY photographs of her. Ya gotta hand it to her, not many women can pull off a stealth pregancy like this.
    Hell, if she could conceal her pregnancy that well, that would explain why she’s so good at concealing her qualifications to be VP.

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  163. goodbyekos says:

    First, Kos expunges all posts and people from his site that mention the Edwards affair as it was developing. And now that it have been proven true he refuses to apologize to those who he censored and excommunicated.
    Now, Kos fuels the Palin rumors with all the might and firepower he can muster in stunningly hypocritical fashion. Such is the way of a fascist.

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