Khatami Visit: Beyond Black and White

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As the Pulitzer Prize winning historian John Dower tells the story so well about Japan and the United States, states that move towards war often demonize each other’s leaders and whole societies in order to stir and consolidate public opinion and steel their citizens for big sacrifices ahead.
As the White House continues to beat a drum on Iran, leaders on both sides will find ways to dehumanize the other side’s key state figures.
This hasn’t happened with former Iran President Mohammed Khatami quite yet, but word is out that Senator Rick Santorum and his allies are outraged about the Iranian leader’s visit and out trying to serve Khatami with a subpoena regarding war crimes. But what Santorum hasn’t figured out is that his party’s CEO, President Bush as well as Secretary of State Rice extended Khatami a visa because he is considered to be one of the good guys in Iran — and a potential ally in the long run.


Given that, it’s useful to hear what Khatami is saying.
Here are some glimpses from a Robert Fisk article yesterday:

“The policies of the neo-conservatives have created a war that creates more extremists and radicals,” he told The Independent in Chicago. “The events of 9/11 gave them this ability to create fear and anxiety. . .and to create new policies of their own and now events are creating an expansion of extremists on both sides. A struggle is under way to dominate this world multilaterally … We are a witness to war – with suppression from one side and extremist reaction in the form of terror from the other.”
Mr Khatami might appear an improbable figure in the breakfast room of one of Chicago’s smartest hotels, dressed in his black turban and long gown, his spectacles giving him the appearance of a university don — which he once was — rather than the seer of Iran, a man whose demands for a civil society and democracy at home were overwhelmed by the ascetic clerics who surround the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei. Yet he is enormously important in the Sunni as well as the Shia Muslim worlds as a philosopher-scholar, which is probably why the Bush administration gave him a visa, and his message was the sharpest he has ever delivered to the Muslim world and the secular West.
The former president said: “We have to find ways to confront these people on both sides. We need public opinion to be influenced. . .And now the neo-conservative policies have created this sort of war.”
But Mr Khatami, who defended Iran’s role in the nuclear crisis between the West and Tehran — he asked why Israel was allowed nuclear weapons while refusing to sign the nuclear non-proliferation pact — did not spare the perpetrators of what he called “the inhumane terrorist attacks” of 11 September 2001. “I was one of the first officials to condemn this barbaric act. . .this inferno would only intensify extremism and one-sidedness and would have no outcome except to retard justice and intellect and sacrifice righteousness and humanity,” he said.

It is useful to remember that after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, Iranians went to the street lighting candles and sending a message of solidarity with Americans. Khatami, when President, was helpful in numerous ways to U.S. foreign policy interests in the Balkans and Gulf.
This is the time — no matter what one thinks about Iran’s ultimate nuclear pretensions — that all parties should be listening carefully to one another, and frankly speaking. I will be attending a session with Khatami tonight in New York and am fairly sure the meeting will be off the record, but I will share back what I can without violating the rules of the small group exchange.
Shades of gray are what are important here — not the black and white.
— Steve Clemons
Ed. Note: Thanks to PGS for the Robert Fisk commentary.

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  3. marky says:

    POA,
    I think more to the point, the neocons definitions of liberty and democracy are not the same as Carter’s. For the neocon, liberty=economic freedom=unfettered free market capitalism. Remember, Paul Bremer said that among his proudest accomplishments was instituting the flat tax in Iraq.
    As far as democracy, it has been defined down to elections only, and not even to fair elections (obviously). True democracy thrives only in the presence of civic institutions to promote the qualities necessary for a healthy, humane society.

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  4. Pissed Off American says:

    MP, do not be of the misguided notion that the neo-con’s primary driving force is money and power. Their driving force is far more sinister, and has to do with ethnic, religious, and racial megalomaniacal fanatacism. Like Hitler before them, they believe the Muslim’s are inferior in everyway, just as Hitler viewed the Jews. That is what makes our times so dangerous. Both sides, the Islamic radicals, AND these maniacs in power in Israel and in the United States TRULY believe that God is on their side. That kind of fanaticism serves to justify their actions. If ever nuclear weapons are used pre-emptively, it will be because of the belief that God condones it. And when you have a malleable and mentally challenged individual like Bush at the helm, the fanatics can easily steer him in any direction they wish him to go, such as we have seen occur these last five and one half years. Once before here I said that “Bush would have drank the Kool-Aid at Johnstown.” I stand by that belief. With such a man in power, even if you belief he was duly elected by the people, it is the people BEHIND the curtains that dictate policy, the ones that have found his ear and have manipulated his beliefs. Tell such a man that God is on his side, and he is chosen, and he will do your bidding without question.

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  5. MP says:

    “Carter recognized that there was more to the world than the two poles of Washington and Moscow, and he attempted to deal credibly with human rights, with the aspirations of third world nations, with the problem of Israel and the Arabs, with the problem of South Africa and the blacks.”
    One of the strange ironies of politics is that Carter (as I recall) was PILLORIED for his emphasis on human rights and democracy. He was called naive and ineffectual for it. He was pummeled by the realists for being pie in the sky. And those downed helicopters became the symbol of his supposed feckless policies. And yet now, “democracy” and “human rights” have been hypocritically picked up by the neocons as their next-to-the-last foreign policy card while their twin guiding stars are power and money. Thanks for a reminder of the events of the day–you have a much better memory than I do.

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  6. Pissed Off American says:

    Tell ABC to Cancel Their Inaccurate and Slanted Sept. 11th Program 9/6
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  7. Pissed Off American says:

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/083006J.shtml
    Clinton, 9/11 and the Facts
    By William Rivers Pitt
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective
    Wednesday 30 August 2006
    The fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks is less than two weeks away, but the avalanche has already begun. Oliver Stone’s film “World Trade Center” has been advertised in all corners and is being screened across the nation. CNN has announced that it intends, on the 11th, to rebroadcast all of the coverage of the attacks from 8:30 a.m. until midnight. If you don’t have cable, they say, you can watch it for free on the CNN web site.
    ABC intends to mark the occasion in far more grand a fashion. Starting September 10th and ending September 11th, the network will show a miniseries titled “The Path to 9/11.” According to reports from early screenings, the writer/producer of the miniseries, Cyrus Nowrasteh, has crafted a television polemic intended to blame the entire event on President Clinton.
    Nowrasteh, an outspoken conservative of Persian descent whose family fled Iran after the fall of the Shah, spoke last year at the Liberty Film Festival, described by its founders as Hollywood’s first conservative film festival. Govindini Murty, actress, writer, and co-director of the Liberty Film Festival, wrote a review of “The Path to 9/11” for the right-wing online news page FrontPageMag.com.
    In the review, Murty states, “‘The Path to 9/11’ is one of the best, most intelligent, most pro-American miniseries I’ve ever seen on TV, and conservatives should support it and promote it as vigorously as possible. This is the first Hollywood production I’ve seen that honestly depicts how the Clinton administration repeatedly bungled the capture of Osama bin Laden.”
    FrontPageMag, it should be noted, held a symposium back in May to argue that the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, which were never found despite being the main reason for invasion, were actually spirited out of Iraq by Russia on the eve of the 2003 attack. So it goes.
    Leaving aside the wretched truth that the far right is once again using September 11 to score political points, the facts regarding the still-lingering effort to blame the Clinton administration for the attacks must be brought to the fore. Nowrasteh, at several points in his miniseries, rolls out a number of oft-debunked allegations that Clinton allowed Osama bin Laden to remain alive and free before the attacks.
    Roger Cressy, National Security Council senior director for counterterrorism in the period 1999-2001, responded to these allegations in an article for the Washington Times in 2003. “Mr. Clinton approved every request made of him by the CIA and the U.S. military involving using force against bin Laden and al-Qaeda,” wrote Cressy. “As President Bush well knows, bin Laden was and remains very good at staying hidden. The current administration faces many of the same challenges. Confusing the American people with misinformation and distortions will not generate the support we need to come together as a nation and defeat our terrorist enemies.”
    Measures taken by the Clinton administration to thwart international terrorism and bin Laden’s network were historic, unprecedented and, sadly, not followed up on. Consider the steps offered by Clinton’s 1996 omnibus anti-terror legislation, the pricetag for which stood at $1.097 billion. The following is a partial list of the initiatives offered by the Clinton anti-terrorism bill:
    Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million
    Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million
    Passenger Profiling: $10 million
    Screener Training: $5.3 million
    Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million
    Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4
    million
    Provide Additional Air/Counterterrorism Security: $26.6 million
    Explosives Detection Training: $1.8 million
    Augment FAA Security Research: $20 million
    Customs Service: Explosives and Radiation Detection Equipment at Ports: $2.2 million
    Anti-Terrorism Assistance to Foreign Governments: $2 million
    Capacity to Collect and Assemble Explosives Data: $2.1 million
    Improve Domestic Intelligence: $38.9 million
    Critical Incident Response Teams for Post-Blast Deployment: $7.2 million
    Additional Security for Federal Facilities: $6.7 million
    Firefighter/Emergency Services Financial Assistance: $2.7 million
    Public Building and Museum Security: $7.3 million
    Improve Technology to Prevent Nuclear Smuggling: $8 million
    Critical Incident Response Facility: $2 million
    Counter-Terrorism Fund: $35 million
    Explosives Intelligence and Support Systems: $14.2 million
    Office of Emergency Preparedness: $5.8 million
    The Clinton administration poured more than a billion dollars into counterterrorism activities across the entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a reorganization of the intelligence community itself. Within the National Security Council, “threat meetings” were held three times a week to assess looming conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in virtually every important speech he gave in the last three years of his tenure.
    Clinton’s dire public warnings about the threat posed by terrorism, and the actions taken to thwart it, went completely unreported by the media, which was far more concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress as scandalous “wag the dog” tactics. The news networks actually broadcast clips of the movie “Wag the Dog” while reporting on his warnings, to accentuate the idea that everything the administration said was contrived fakery.
    In Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and terrorism. His 1996 omnibus terror bill, which included many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted after September 11, was withered almost to the point of uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the threats Clinton spoke of.
    Specifically, Clinton wanted to attack the financial underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of Clinton’s bill dealing with this matter, calling them “totalitarian.”
    In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its criminal executives in Houston, were using those same terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also be noted that Gramm’s wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board of Directors.
    Just before departing office, Clinton managed to make a deal with the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development to have some twenty nations close tax havens used by al-Qaeda. His term ended before the deal was sealed, and the incoming Bush administration acted immediately to destroy the agreement.
    According to Time magazine, in an article entitled “Banking on Secrecy” published in October of 2001, Bush economic advisors Larry Lindsey and R. Glenn Hubbard were urged by think tanks like the Center for Freedom and Prosperity to opt out of the coalition Clinton had formed. The conservative Heritage Foundation lobbied Bush’s Treasury Secretary, Paul O’Neill, to do the same.
    In the end, the lobbyists got what they wanted, and the Bush administration pulled out of the plan. The Time article stated, “Without the world’s financial superpower, the biggest effort in years to rid the world’s financial system of dirty money was short-circuited.”
    ABC’s miniseries skates right over this, and likewise refuses to address the myriad ways in which the Bush administration failed completely to defend this nation from attack. All the efforts put forth by the Clinton administration were cast aside when Bush took office, simply because they wanted nothing to do with the outgoing government. Condoleezza Rice, by her own admission, did not even bother to look at the massive compendium of al-Qaeda data compiled by Sandy Berger until the morning of September 11.
    After the attacks, virtually every member of the Bush administration put forth the talking point that, “No one could have anticipated anyone using airplanes as bombs.” The facts tell a different story.
    In 1993, a $150,000 study was undertaken by the Pentagon to investigate the possibility of airplanes being used as bombs. A draft document of this was circulated throughout the Pentagon, the Justice Department, and to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In 1994, a disgruntled Federal Express employee invaded the cockpit of a DC10 with the intention of crashing it into a company building. Again in 1994, a pilot crashed a small airplane into a tree on the White House grounds, narrowly missing the building itself. Also in 1994, an Air France flight was hijacked by members of a terrorist organization called the Armed Islamic Group, who intended to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower.
    The 1993 Pentagon report was followed up in September 1999 by a report titled “The Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism.” This report was prepared for the American intelligence community by the Federal Research Division, an adjunct of the Library of Congress. The report stated, “Suicide bombers belonging to Al Qaida’s martyrdom battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House.”
    Ramzi Yousef was one of the planners and participants in the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. Yousef’s right-hand man, Abdul Hakim Murad, was captured and interrogated in 1995. During that interrogation, Murad described a detailed plot to hijack airplanes and use them as weapons of terrorism. The primary plan was to commandeer eleven commercial planes and blow them up over the Pacific Ocean. The secondary plan was to hijack several planes, which would be flown into CIA headquarters, the World Trade Center, the Sears Tower, the White House and a variety of other targets.
    Ramzi Yousef eluded capture until his final apprehension in Pakistan. During his 1997 trial, the plot described by Murad resurfaced. FBI agents testified in the Yousef trial that, “The plan targeted not only the CIA, but other U.S. government buildings in Washington, including the Pentagon.”
    Abdul Hakim Murad described plans to use hijacked commercial airplanes as weapons in 1995. Ramzi Yousef’s trial further exposed the existence of these plans in 1997. Two reports prepared by the American government, one from 1993 and another from 1999, further detailed again the existence and danger of these plots. The Federal Express employee’s hijacking attempt in 1994, the attempted airplane attack on the White House in 1994, and the hijacking of the Air France flight in 1994 by terrorists intending to fly the plane into the Eiffel Tower provided a glaring underscore to the data.
    This data served to underscore the efforts made by the Clinton administration to combat international terrorism and attacks against the United States. Unfortunately, the data and the work that inspired it was not followed up on.
    A mission statement from the internal FBI Strategic Plan, dated 5/8/98, describes the FBI’s Tier One priority as ‘counterterrorism.’ The FBI, under the Clinton administration, was making counterterrorism its highest priority. The official annual budget goals memo from Attorney General Janet Reno to department heads, dated 4/6/2000, detailed how counterterrorism was her top priority for the Department of Justice. In the second paragraph, she states, “In the near term as well as the future, cybercrime and counterterrorism are going to be the most challenging threats in the criminal justice area. Nowhere is the need for an up-to-date human and technical infrastructure more critical.”
    Contrast this with the official annual budget goals memo from Attorney General John Ashcroft, dated 5/10/2001. Out of seven strategic goals described, not one mentions counterterrorism. An internal draft of the Department of Justice’s plans to revamp the official DoJ Strategic Plan, dated 8/9/2001, describes Ashcroft’s new priorities. The areas Ashcroft wished to focus on were highlighted in yellow. Specifically highlighted by Ashcroft were domestic violent crime and drug trafficking prevention. Item 1.3, entitled “Combat terrorist activities by developing maximum intelligence and investigative capability,” was not highlighted.
    There is the internal FBI budget request for 2003 to the Department of Justice, dated late August 2001. This was not the FBI’s total budget request, but was instead restricted only to the areas where the FBI specifically requested increases over the previous year’s budget. In this request, the FBI specifically asked for, among other things, 54 translators to transcribe the backlog of intelligence gathered, 248 counterterrorism agents and support staff, and 200 professional intelligence researchers. The FBI had repeatedly stated that it had a serious backlog of intelligence data it has gathered, but could not process the data because it did not have the staff to analyze or translate it into usable information. Again, this was August 2001.
    The official Department of Justice budget request from Attorney General Ashcroft to OMB Director Mitch Daniels is dated September 10, 2001. This document specifically highlights only the programs slated for above-baseline increases or below-baseline cuts. Ashcroft outlined the programs he was trying to cut. Specifically, Ashcroft was planning to ignore the FBI’s specific requests for more translators, counterintelligence agents and researchers. It additionally shows Ashcroft was trying to cut funding for counterterrorism efforts, grants and other homeland defense programs before the 9/11 attacks.
    Along with these new priorities, which demoted terrorism significantly, there were the warnings delivered to the Bush administration about potential attacks against the United States. Newspapers in Germany, France, Russia and London reported in the months before September 11th a blizzard of warnings delivered to the Bush administration from a number of allies.
    The German intelligence service, BND, warned American and Israeli agencies that terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack important American targets. Egypt warned of a similar plot to use airplanes to attack Bush during the G-8 summit in Genoa in June of 2001. This warning was taken so seriously that anti-aircraft missiles were deployed around Columbus Airport in Italy.
    In August of 2001, Russian intelligence services notified the CIA that 25 terrorist pilots had been trained for suicide missions, and Putin himself confirmed that this warning was delivered “in the strongest possible terms,” specifically regarding threats to airports and government buildings.
    In that same month, the Israeli security agency Mossad issued a warning to both the FBI and the CIA that up to 200 bin Laden followers were planning a major assault on America, aimed at vulnerable targets. The Los Angeles Times later confirmed via unnamed US officials that the Mossad warnings had been received.
    On August 6, 2001, George W. Bush received his Presidential Daily Briefing. The briefing described active plots to attack the United States by Osama bin Laden. The word “hijacking” appeared in that briefing. Bush reacted to this warning by continuing with his month-long vacation in Texas.
    Richard Clarke, former Director of Counter-Terrorism for the National Security Council, has worked on the terrorist threat for the Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr. administrations, amassing a peerless resume in the field. He became a central figure in the commission investigating the September 11 attacks. Clarke has laid bare an ugly truth: The administration of George W. Bush did not consider terrorism or the threat of al-Qaeda to be a priority prior to the attacks.
    Clarke, along with former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, who as a member of the National Security Council was privy to military strategy meetings, indicated that the Bush administration was obsessed with an invasion of Iraq from the day it arrived in Washington. This obsession continued even after the attacks, despite the fact that the entire intelligence community flatly declared that Iraq was not involved.
    Five years later, the questions surrounding what exactly happened on September 11, and why they were allowed to happen, remain unsettled. A recent national poll conducted by Scripps Howard/Ohio University states that more than one third of Americans believe that Bush’s government either actively assisted in the 9/11 attacks, or allowed them to happen so as to create a justification for war in the Middle East.
    The New York Post, reporting on this poll, stated, “Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Seventy percent of people who give credence to these theories also say they’ve become angrier with the federal government than they used to be.”
    “Thirty-six percent of respondents overall,” continued the Post, “said it is ‘very likely’ or ‘somewhat likely’ that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them ‘because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East.’ ‘One out of three sounds high, but that may very well be right,’ said Lee Hamilton, former vice chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also called the 9/11 Commission). His Congressionally-appointed investigation concluded that federal officials bungled their attempts to prevent, but did not participate in, the attacks by al-Qaeda five years ago. ‘A lot of people I’ve encountered believe the U.S. government was involved,” Hamilton said. ‘Many say the government planned the whole thing.'”
    The passage of time will, in all likelihood, finally expose the truth behind exactly what happened on September 11, and why. Until the moment of final revelation comes, however, we are all best served by a systematic analysis of the facts surrounding that dark day. Efforts such as this ABC miniseries to use 9/11 as a partisan club should be shunned, and hard data should be highlighted instead.
    Back in 2003, CBS was forced to pull its miniseries “The Reagans,” after conservative groups lambasted the network for crossing the line into advocacy against the Reagan administration. A similar effort should perhaps be undertaken to compel ABC to pull “The Path to 9/11.” At no time should a conservative producer with an anti-Clinton axe to grind be allowed to use public airwaves to broadcast a rank distortion of the truth, especially on the anniversary of the worst day in our history.
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    William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times and internationally bestselling author of two books: War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn’t Want You to Know and The Greatest Sedition Is Silence. His newest book, House of Ill Repute: Reflections on War, Lies, and America’s Ravaged Reputation, will be available this winter from PoliPointPress.

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  8. Den Valdron says:

    Carter was not without his flaws as a man and as a President. His morality was often unctious, as with that ‘lusted for women in his heart’ and his ‘inflation is the moral equivalent of war.’
    Those around him noted his intense obsession with details. ‘Some people see the forests, some people see the trees… Carter is a *leaf* man.’
    In American foreign policy he had a difficult hand to play. He maintained loyalty to the Shah of Iran long after the Shah had fallen, and in fact, was taken by surprise by the Shah’s fall (arguably yet another CIA failure and not Carter’s). There’s no indication that any American President could have or should have saved the Shah, or piloted things in for a soft landing. In the fury of the new Iranian regime, there wasn’t going to be anything else but demonization of America and Americans. It is argued that Carter’s granting of sanctuaries to the dying Shah was the trigger for the Embassy hostage taking, but that event was not foreeable and certainly it wasn’t rationally related. Again, the failed effort to rescue the hostages can be attributed to the typical bungling of the US military and its internal politicians, rather than to Carter.
    In Afghanistan, Carter can be blamed for the Mujahedeen… which makes him Osama Bin Laden’s grandfather. But frankly, I’m not inclined to subscribe to hamhanded blowback theories.
    One thing that Carter cannot be fully blamed for is the Iran/Iraq War. While there are persistent rumours that the US goaded Iraq into launching a war on Iran, these don’t seem to be borne out by the actual documented history that we know. The American shift to alliance with Iraq did not come until 1983, long after Carter had left office.
    Carter tread a difficult path during what we now see as a final period of Soviet expansionism. Not only did the Soviets move into Afghanistan, but their proxies had just won all of Indochina, they and their Cuban proxies had won Angola and Ethiopia. Mozambique, Syria, Iraq, Libya and even Pakistan had settled into the Soviet orbit.
    At the same time, American power was in a phase of decline, particularly following Vietnam, and with the loss of Iran in the middle east.
    Given these circumstances, it is to Carter’s credit that he was able to recognize the Sandinistas as a legitimate liberation movement and not part of the East/West struggle. Had he handled things differently, Nicaragua in its critical early revolutionary period might well have been forced to become a soviet satellite.
    Carter recognized that there was more to the world than the two poles of Washington and Moscow, and he attempted to deal credibly with human rights, with the aspirations of third world nations, with the problem of Israel and the Arabs, with the problem of South Africa and the blacks.
    Domestically, he confronted the economic legacy of Vietnam… stagnation, inflation, high interest rates and energy/oil shocks.
    In many ways, he got the worst deal of any sitting President in the postwar years. So given that, I’m prepared to forgive or at least allow for a certain number of missteps, of vacillations and uncertainties, and even outright mistakes and failures.
    It is interesting that despite all shortcomings and problems Carter remained popular as both a person and a President well into the Iranian hostage crisis. Were it not for the hostage crisis and the daily coverage in the media, Carter would have handily beaten Reagan.

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  9. Pissed Off American says:

    Carter represents what we COULD have been, and what we should now strive to be. The problem is that a man of a truly altruistic and humanitarian nature, such as Carter, is morally incapable of committing to the kinds of political posturing and actions that allow you to prevail in today’s political environment. The only way that society will chose morality over personal material enrichment is if society itself is moral. The despicable reality of the current American political scene is a window into the despicable reality of current American societal values. That is one of the reasons I am so pessimistic about our chances. They only sell us what we willingly buy.

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  10. MP says:

    “Now Carter ain’t perfect. But he was a real man, and that’s better than the pretend actor that Ronald Reagan was. He was a better man than Bush I or Bush II. He’s sure as hell a saint compared to rancid scumdogs like Cheney, Perle or Kissinger.”
    Couldn’t agree more. It’s always amazed me the way Carter gets downgraded…even by the left. Very few speak of his presidency as as a “success,” whatever that means. And, to be sure, his post-presidency years have been stellar, particularly when you compare him to other post-presidents. Reagan and Bush, in particular.
    I always felt that he ran for office because he genuinely wanted to good for his state and his country. He wasn’t driven by ego the way other presidents have been. And this is proven by the way he’s led his life afterward–still working hard to make the world a better place. A little more ego in the office might have helped him win re-election, but…
    Interest rates were at 20%+ when he lost, and that didn’t help him either.

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  11. ahem says:

    Khatami trivia: after the Revolution, he was placed in charge of the National Library. While he was there, he oversaw the first translation into Persian of Locke and Rousseau.

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  12. elementary teacher says:

    Mr. Valdron, So good to see you. Are you familiar with the conflict resolution work at the Carter Center?

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  13. Den Valdron says:

    Hey Bucko. Don’t you be dissin’ my man Jimmy there. Jimmy served his country in the real navy, and he earned an honest living as a farmer after that. He took the biggest mess in America, after eight years of Vietnam, Recession, Inflation, Nixon and Ford, and he set about straightening it out. He managed to bring peace to the middle east when he got Begin and Sadat to kiss and make up… and without Egypt to rock and roll, there wasn’t going to be a major mideast war against Israel again. He stood hard against the Soviets, and he’s practically the only President who didn’t lead America into a war. The only reason he lost the Presidency was that Ronald Reagan made a secret deal with Ayatollah Khomeini to continue endangering American lives. Afterwards, he devoted a whole chunk of his life to building homes for the poor. Singlehandedly, he stopped a war with North Korea. He went to Cuba and gave life to the Cuban dissident movement. The man deserved his Nobel peace prize.
    Now Carter ain’t perfect. But he was a real man, and that’s better than the pretend actor that Ronald Reagan was. He was a better man than Bush I or Bush II. He’s sure as hell a saint compared to rancid scumdogs like Cheney, Perle or Kissinger.

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  14. Easy E says:

    POA,
    The left just continually gets trumped by the right. Until they get unified, craft an agenda and message that recaptures the soul of America, and establish some key alliances with the corporate media to ensure that citizens get the truth, the demise of our democracy will continue to get sucked into the black hole of no return. Regarding Disney’s 9/11 fairytale, uncoordinated whimpers from the opposition won’t wake up a stupified public—no matter how well-intentioned the efforts of Congresswoman Slaughter.
    http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Congresswoman_Slaughter_calls_on_ABC_to_0905.html
    Need some mainstreamers with spine, hutzpa, and ability to make lots of noise.

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  15. Carroll says:

    Iran’s Former President: If Hamas Recognizes Israel, Iran will Follow Suit
    5 September 2006 | 12:20
    Washington/ Tel Aviv. Iran’s former President Mohammad Khatami said that if the radical Palestinian group Hamas, which heads the Palestinian government, recognized Israel, Iran would acknowledge the coexistence of two states on the Palestinian territory, the online edition of the Israeli news edition Guysen reports. Khatami is on a visit to the USA at the invitation of a few institutes of science in order to take part in a series of seminars on international security.”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Brillant PR chess move by Khatami and Iran! Even if it doesn’t work it puts Isr/merica in the hot seat to have to talk to Hamas and hammer out a bargin…or be seen once again rejecting all overtures.
    Isr-US..stupid
    Khatami…smart

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  16. DrAliciaHill@yahoo.com says:

    Teacher just home from school. They did what about the kids? Talk to me. And send me an email. I’ll call the union in the morning.

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  17. Pissed Off American says:

    Disney/ABC sending its 9/11 revisionist tale to every American schoolkid
    by John in DC – 9/05/2006 03:22:00 PM
    Good God, and they’re sending a copy of the film and a letter to 100,000 American high school teachers written by – who? – the REPUBLICAN chair of the 9/11 Commission. Not the Democrat and the Republican, just the Republican. And a Republican whose son is running for the US Senate seat in New Jersey – oh yeah, no conflict there.
    This is entering serious legal territory here.
    Disney/ABC isn’t just putting an incorrect, and politically partisan, version of the events leading up to September 11 on television a scant 8 weeks before national elections. They’re now planning on using this partisan mockumentary to propagandize to American schoolchildren.
    That goes too far.
    It’s one thing for Disney/ABC to take advantage of the deaths of nearly 3,000 Americans in order to curry political favor with the Republicans – sickening as that is – but it’s quite another when Disney/ABC try to jam this Disneyfied version of 9/11 political propaganda down the throats of our children. And they don’t even try to hide the fact that they’re using Republicans exclusively to push the propaganda.
    Now is the time for Congress to step in. Disney/ABC has gone too far. They owe every American schoolkid the responsibility to present them with the facts about September 11, not some Mickey Mouse fantasy written by, directed by, and pushed by Republican party hacks.
    http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/disneyabc-sending-its-911-revisionist.html

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  18. alec says:

    thanks for the link, easy.
    hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

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  19. Pissed Off American says:

    9/11 Commission member says key scene in Disney/ABC fictional account of September 11 is “a total fabrication.” 9/6
    http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/911-commission-member-says-key-scene.html

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  20. Easy E says:

    response to alex – 8:19pm
    “what is the revelation about rove’s step-dad?”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/09/05/new-book-reveals-roves-f_n_28738.html
    perhaps it was his real dad.

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  21. Carroll says:

    President Carter is on America’s side.
    And he is among the “few” politicans, current or former, who is.

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  22. John Powers says:

    Late to this thread but dependable water-carrier Jack Kelly wrote this in Sunday’s Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06246/718388-108.stm
    Kelly ends with quotes from NRO symposium participant Amir Taheri:
    “By begging to meet the head of one of the most repressive regimes in the world, Carter would simply show which side he is on.”

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  23. John Powers says:

    Late to this thread but dependable water-carrier Jack Kelly wrote this in Sunday’s Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06246/718388-108.stm
    Kelly ends with quotes from NRO symposium participant Amir Taheri:
    “By begging to meet the head of one of the most repressive regimes in the world, Carter would simply show which side he is on.”

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  24. John Powers says:

    Late to this thread but dependable water-carrier Jack Kelly wrote this in Sunday’s Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06246/718388-108.stm
    Kelly ends with quotes from NRO symposium participant Amir Taheri:
    “By begging to meet the head of one of the most repressive regimes in the world, Carter would simply show which side he is on.”

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  25. John Powers says:

    Late to this thread but dependable water-carrier Jack Kelly wrote this in Sunday’s Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06246/718388-108.stm
    Kelly ends with quotes from NRO symposium participant Amir Taheri:
    “By begging to meet the head of one of the most repressive regimes in the world, Carter would simply show which side he is on.”

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  26. John Powers says:

    Late to this thread but dependable water-carrier Jack Kelly wrote this in Sunday’s Pittsburgh Post-Gazettehttp://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06246/718388-108.stm
    Kelly ends with quotes from NRO symposium participant Amir Taheri:
    “By begging to meet the head of one of the most repressive regimes in the world, Carter would simply show which side he is on.”

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  27. John Powers says:

    Late to this thread but dependable water-carrier Jack Kelly wrote this in Sunday’s Pittsburgh Post-Gazettehttp://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06246/718388-108.stm
    Kelly ends with quotes from NRO symposium participant Amir Taheri:
    “By begging to meet the head of one of the most repressive regimes in the world, Carter would simply show which side he is on.”

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  28. John Powers says:

    Late to this thread but dependable water-carrier Jack Kelly wrote this in Sunday’s Pittsburgh Post-Gazettehttp://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06246/718388-108.stm
    Kelly ends with quotes from NRO symposium participant Amir Taheri:
    “By begging to meet the head of one of the most repressive regimes in the world, Carter would simply show which side he is on.”

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  29. John Powers says:

    Late to this thread but dependable water-carrier Jack Kelly wrote this in Sunday’s Pittsburgh Post-Gazettehttp://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06246/718388-108.stm
    Kelly ends with quotes from NRO symposium participant Amir Taheri:
    “By begging to meet the head of one of the most repressive regimes in the world, Carter would simply show which side he is on.”

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  30. Pissed Off American says:

    Along those same lines, I now know, due to our media’s attention to every minute detail, every detail of “the crocodile hunter”s life, from what he looked like as a child, to what to do if I should get barbed by an evil doer rogue Manta Ray.
    What I DON’T know is ANY detail of the lives of the ten souls mentioned below. Do YOU know their names? Has the media shown you THEIR childhood pictures?
    Iraq extends state of emergency; president predicts violence will wane by end of 2007
    BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) – Iraq’s parliament reopened Tuesday after a summer recess and voted to extend a state of emergency for a month because of unrelenting sectarian violence, while the president predicted bloodshed will be quelled by the end of next year.
    The U.S. military announced the deaths of three more American servicemen, bringing to 10 the number of coalition soldiers killed the previous two days – eight Americans and two Britons.
    Iraq’s state of emergency, which has been in place for almost two years, covers every area except the autonomous Kurdish region in the north. It grants security forces the power to impose curfews and make arrests without warrants.
    It has been renewed every month since first being authorized in November 2004, hours before U.S. and Iraqi troops launched a big offensive to drive insurgents out of Fallujah, one of the main cities in the restive Anbar region west of Baghdad.
    Two U.S. Marines and one sailor were killed in Anbar ‘due to enemy action’ Monday, the U.S. military command reported. Five other Americans had previously been reported killed Sunday and Monday, and two British soldiers died from a roadside bombing in the south Monday.

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  31. Carroll says:

    Seeing as how I have strayed off topic anyway, I am a bit curious. Has anyone else noticed that the media is finally reporting the 9/11 illnesses, yet IS NOT reporting the fact that it is the smirking murderous bastard Bush that ordered the EPA to alter its assessment of the air quality in post 9/11 New York?
    Posted by Pissed Off American at September 5, 2006 07:46 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I am noticing that it is very under-reported.

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  32. alec says:

    easy,
    what is the revelation about rove’s step-dad?

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  33. Easy E says:

    Totally agree with Carroll on voting them out. Perhaps someone can figure out how to wake up their sheep constituencies. Dems need a Rovian fear tactician to shed light on what the world will really be like if these imbeciles are re-elected. Considering revelation of Rove’s step-dad, these sheeple should really have something to fear.

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  34. Pissed Off American says:

    Seeing as how I have strayed off topic anyway, I am a bit curious. Has anyone else noticed that the media is finally reporting the 9/11 illnesses, yet IS NOT reporting the fact that it is the smirking murderous bastard Bush that ordered the EPA to alter its assessment of the air quality in post 9/11 New York?

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  35. Pissed Off American says:

    Under Fire, ABC Yanks Official Blog of 9/11 Docudrama
    On September 10 and 11, ABC is planning to air a “docudrama” called “Path to 9/11,” billed as “an objective telling of the events of 9/11.” In fact, the film was written by an unabashed conservative who twists the facts to blame President Clinton.
    http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fthinkprogress.org%2F2006%

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  36. Pissed Off American says:

    Rep. Slaughter Calls for ABC to Come Clean on New 9-11 Docudrama; Divisive and Politicized Accounts of September 11th Attacks and National Security Issues Endanger Nation 9/6
    http://www.louise.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=679&Itemid=
    Questions for ABC about 9/11 “Docudrama,” including “Did you know about Cyrus Nowrasteh’s and David Cunningham’s extreme conservative views?” 9/6
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/5/132543/3330

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  37. Pissed Off American says:

    ABC’s 9/11 Docudrama Mangles Facts 9/6
    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/abc-smears-washington-post/
    Richard Clarke Blasts Key Scene In ABC’s 9/11 Docudrama 9/6
    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/

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  38. Pissed Off American says:

    ABC’s 9/11 Docudrama Mangles Facts 9/6
    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/abc-smears-washington-post/
    Richard Clarke Blasts Key Scene In ABC’s 9/11 Docudrama 9/6
    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/
    Rep. Slaughter Calls for ABC to Come Clean on New 9-11 Docudrama; Divisive and Politicized Accounts of September 11th Attacks and National Security Issues Endanger Nation 9/6
    http://www.louise.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=679&Itemid=
    Questions for ABC about 9/11 “Docudrama,” including “Did you know about Cyrus Nowrasteh’s and David Cunningham’s extreme conservative views?” 9/6
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/5/132543/3330

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  39. Carroll says:

    Santorum, that stunning mediocrity, exemplifys the republican rot permeating our political system. His response to Khatami’s visit is an undisguised nod to AIPAC, hoping for even more reelection support from that sixth estate running our country.
    Posted by Frank at September 5, 2006 09:22 AM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Unfortunately it is not just Santorum or the repubs that are on the Iraq/Iran/neos/ israelis bandwagon..there are a whole host of US senators and congressmen who for reasons of ethincs or money or votes are all on the same song sheet about the ME…this is one small example ..but just type in any name below + Iran+ Israel and you will find all their positions are identical. AIPAC is but the largest most visible but there are dozens of orgs out there like this and you will find the names of US elected officials on all of them….and usually the same ones.
    The solution is to vote out the guilty whether dem or repub until we get to some who want to represent the interest of America…not their own personal careers, or a minority or another country that pays them well in campaign money or votes.
    Our squewed ME policy is a Bi-partisan problem because of the infection of a monority and foreign influence within our own congress and goverment….and we have only ourselves to blame for letting this infection grow.
    http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/
    c.hsJPK0PIJpH/b.672811/k.DFA5/About_TIP.htm
    The Israel Project (TIP) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization impacting world opinion to help achieve security and peace for Israel. We fight the war of words and images to make our global Jewish family safer. With offices in Washington D.C. and Jerusalem, TIP stays ahead of the news cycle through core communications efforts in the United States, France, Germany, England and Russia.
    Our team of trusted Middle East experts and former reporters provides journalists with fact sheets, backgrounders and sources. TIP regularly hosts press briefings featuring leading Israeli spokespeople and analysts that give journalists an opportunity to get information and answers to their questions face-to-face. By providing journalists with the facts, context and visuals they need, TIP causes hundreds of millions of people around the world to see a more positive public face of Israel. This helps protect Israel, reduce anti-Semitism and increase pride in Israel
    Board of Advisors
    TIP is proud to have the following members on its Board of Advisors:
    Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-GA
    Sen. Norm Coleman, R-MN
    Sen. Bill Nelson, D-FL
    Sen. Rick Santorum, R-PA
    Sen. Arlen Spector, R-PA
    Sen. Ron Wyden, D-OR
    Rep. Rob Andrews, D-NJ
    Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-NV
    Rep. Tom Davis, R-VA
    Rep. Eliot Engel, D-NY
    Rep. Frank Pallone, D-NJ
    Rep. Jon Porter, R-NV
    Rep. Jim Saxton, R-NJ
    Rep. Brad Sherman, D-CA
    Rep. Joe Wilson, R-SC
    Vote them out.

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  40. Carroll says:

    Daddy wants him some honest to goodness oversight out of Congress.
    Posted by Nathan64 at September 5, 2006 06:05 PM
    >>>>>>>>
    Mother Superior wants them ALL kicked out. They spend all their time “investigating their own lack of oversight” and “investigating the adm” and then “investigating the investigations”……so far all their “investigations” have resulted in NOTHING….
    No changes or punishment for the liars in the stovepipe Iran intell.
    No changes or punishment for the Officials in the torture in Iraq
    No changes or punishment for the massive fraud and incompetence by responsible Officials in the CPA in Iraq.
    No changes or punishment for the Officals who driectly lied about the cost of the Med-D plan.
    No changes in lobbying rules after the hearing prompted by the Abramhoff scandel.
    No changes in the congressional ethics rules after the Ney bribery scandel.
    No changes in the Pentagon contacting after the no bid contract scandel.
    No changes in campaign finance rules.
    ETC.ETC.ETC…………………….
    EVEN MONKEYS LEARN BY REPETITION….evidently the public isn’t as smart as monkeys.

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  41. November Elections says:

    Israel plans for war with Iran and Syria
    Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv, and Sarah Baxter, New York
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2340486,00.html

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  42. Reader says:

    Israel plans for war with Iran and Syria
    Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv, and Sarah Baxter, New York
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2340486,00.html

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  43. MP says:

    “Since one of these counties in the one I voted in in NC in 2004 I have no idea if my vote was counted or not or if some votes were counted twice in one case here……..after the Florida voter roll washing and the outbreak of lost votes in states all over the country you have to be naive in the extreme to trust the voting system in this country any longer. And there is no way “watchers” at the polls can tell what is going on inside the electronic tallying system.”
    One quick and dirty way is to compare totals to historical totals for a district. If they’re far off, you know something is up. Also, if the total votes don’t match the name check offs. BUT, if there is no way to perfect the electronic machines, then, I agree, we have to go back to paper. Or maybe the mechanical devices. Or maybe re-votes if the totals are way off. For example, it was pretty clear that all those Jewish oldsters in Florida didn’t vote for Pat Buchanan–even he admitted that.
    (But remember, Florida happened WITH paper ballots.)
    I think it’s a bit naive to think that we could ever trust the voting system in the way you’re suggesting. Don’t get me wrong: I AM NOT SUGGESTING COMPLACENCY ON THIS ISSUE. FAR FROM IT. But stuffing ballot boxes and throwing away paper ballots has long been a political pasttime. Daley probably threw the election to JFK. LBJ was known for stuffing ballot boxes. You think Huey played it on the level?
    Poll watchers can tell if there aren’t enough machines. If the lines are too long and people are giving up. If there is harassment or any kind of activity that discourages people from voting. If people are illegally turned away for reasons of no ID or race, etc., and the like. Some of what happened in Ohio.
    In any event, the ballot box is the hot zone. If we don’t win at the ballot box, you can look forward to living under GWB’s successor–and that’s just a fact. So whatever we have to do to prevent that from happening, we must do (aside from fixing elections ourselves). But in my opinion, the ballot box is where the rubber meets the road.

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  44. Reader says:

    No more “we think,” “we believe,” “we feel,” about matters as significant as national security, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, new talk about Iraq being only “one of the fronts.”
    The Democrats need to show that they have done their homework. Their messages to us must be incisive, supported (not merely based on thinking or believing), passionate, brief and repeated.
    Anyone who thinks the next election isn’t about words but solely about ideas hasn’t been paying attention. Ideas don’t sell themselves. Not even the best ones.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-reardon/message-to-democrats-hi_b_28746.html

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  45. Nathan64 says:

    Has Rick Santorum gotten his ass handed to him by Casey yet?
    Seriously, is there a person out there with thier eyes open that doesn’t see what a piss poor excuse Santorum is for a leader and a person. November can’t come soon enough. Daddy wants him some honest to goodness oversight out of Congress.

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  46. Carroll says:

    He will stand outside polling places, like my wife did in 2004, to make sure the machines aren’t rigged, to make sure there are enough machines in place, and that no hanky panky or harassment goes on.
    Posted by MP at September 5, 2006 01:33 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    The bad news is your wife can’t possibily tell if the machines are rigged or not…and even if she could tell whether the local machines were rigged or not, in the end, in most systems, all the votes are transmitted to a central computer for the final tally….and in the local computer rooms no one is allowed except election officals and a tech from whatever company provided the machines…and most election officals wouldn’t know what a tech was doing to the computers if he tampered with one anyway…so that is a usless effort.
    Paper ballots…with the counting open to viewing by the public. Period.

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  47. Carroll says:

    Since one of these counties in the one I voted in in NC in 2004 I have no idea if my vote was counted or not or if some votes were counted twice in one case here……..after the Florida voter roll washing and the outbreak of lost votes in states all over the country you have to be naive in the extreme to trust the voting system in this country any longer. And there is no way “watchers” at the polls can tell what is going on inside the electronic tallying system.
    Carteret County.
    North Carolina. More than 4000 early votes were lost because the electronic voting system could not store the volume of votes it received. …
    http://www.ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm – 40k –
    Craven County
    North Carolina,4700 more votes than voters on election day in Craven,officals say glitch in system
    http://www.ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm – 40k –
    Gaston County
    North Carolina Takes The Lead In November 2004 Elections Problems November 26, 2004 — North Carolina’s election problems will not be that easily … Gaston officials found about 12000 votes that had not been counted. …
    http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-87.htm – 39k – Cached –
    Onslow county
    North CarolinaA DRE-based voting system lost 4500 votes in one North Carolina county counting, because the storage unit did not have capacity to store all of the votes cast on …
    http://www.evoting-experts.com/index.php?cat=19 – 42k – Cached – Similar pages
    Indiana
    Over 50000 votes not counted in Democratic Indiana county due to electronic voting … Voting mess in North Carolina apparent from disappearing, missing, …
    vote2004.eriposte.com/ – 175k – Cached – Similar pages
    ASHEVILLE
    Presidential Election, 2004, Districts of the 109th Congress NORTH …File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
    NC 11 ASHEVILLE. Taylor, Charles H. (R). Office. Dem Vote. Rep Vote … races which are not on the ballot or for which votes are not counted appear here as …
    http://www.polidata.us/pub/reports/37a4a4a.pdf – Similar pages
    Presidential Elections, 1789–2004 Votes not counted 11, Republican Democratic, 214 80 23, Schuyler Colfax … The New York legislature chose no electors, and North Carolina and Rhode Island …
    ….and on and on across the country.

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  48. Kuhn says:

    The latest, just out, the Boy King says Bin Laden like Hitler ! Oh, my gawd ! And since Iraq is central to the war on terror, those who don’t support our troops and want to cut and run, wish for defeato of America and victory for Bin Laden who is just like Hitler (and Saddam was like Hitler too, if I remember correctly), and those who don’t think Bin Laden is like Hitler are appeasers who suffer moral and intellectual confusion!
    Bin Laden –> Hitler
    Bush –> Churchill
    Democrats/Liberals –> The German-American Bund

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  49. Deb says:

    Thanks, Easy E… George Carlin pretty well sums it up.

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  50. Pissed Off American says:

    And, after Bush basically declared war on the entire Muslim comnmunity, what is CNN nattering about??? That radical mormon kid raper, Jeffs.
    Beam me up, Scotty.

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  51. Pissed Off American says:

    In Bush’s speech, I noticed an interesting little tidbit. He lumped both the Sunni and the Shiites together as having radical Islamic aims against the United States. If you listen to the gist of his speech, he basically declared ALL MUSLIMS as the enemy. Not only in Iraq, but throughout the Middle East. And have you noticed the increase in volume about the supreme boogie man, Al Qaeda, being activelly involved in Iraq??? Here is the prerequisite justification for what Bush will need to do to stabilize Iraq. In short, we will now start killing EVERYONE in Iraq, the Sunnis, the Shiites, and anyone else that dares question the Bush installed puppets and the sham democracy that the neocons have being trying, unsuccesfully thus far, to install in Iraq. Bush’s rhetoric had absolutely NO diplomatic value, even directed towards the moderate Islamic community. The speech was inflammatory and threatening towards the ENTIRE Muslim world community. This crazy bastard and the fanatics propping him up are a threat to this nation, and everytime they open their mouths or commit to a policy they make America infinitely LESS SECURE and make us even more loathed by the Muslim communit.

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  52. Pissed Off American says:

    I may change my views when I look at your links more closely, but that is my view right now.
    Posted by MP
    You asked for my links weeks ago. The fact that you haven’t carefully perused them in the ensuing time frame tells me your concern about this issue is at best tepid, or worse. And your ability to comment on this issue is illustrated by your self admitted failure to educate yourself using the information that YOU requested.
    Look, I don’t care whether you read the links or not, MP. Your ignorance is YOUR concern. But would you do me the favor of not attempting to engage me in debate regarding a subject you admit to knowing very little about? Do your homework, THEN come back here and argue about to what degree you think the system has been compromised. You hold up a backwater race as evidence of a still viable process while IGNORING the fact that there is very credible evidence this fascist asshole screaming “BOO!” on CNN right now was placed in the Oval Office illegally.

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  53. MP says:

    Moreover, if more people go to the polls–care about voting–more scrutiny will be given to the process. If a person never votes, he won’t care if the voting is rigged. If he goes to the polls, if he cares about the candidates, he will care about the integrity of the voting process. He will stand outside polling places, like my wife did in 2004, to make sure the machines aren’t rigged, to make sure there are enough machines in place, and that no hanky panky or harassment goes on.

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  54. Pissed Off American says:

    I am right now watching this treasonous smirking monkey Bush rattle his rubber ducky at the “evil doers”. These fuckers are ruling our country with FEAR as their only tool, their only rationale, their only justification. I have heard very little of the speech, and I do not intend to listen to much more. The blathering ass could give us his whole message in one single word…….
    BOO!
    If we are one one-hundreth of what we claim to be, we will one day see this disgraceful, dangerous, and embarrassing bastard rotting in a federal prison. If that event does not come to pass, then we are not what we claim to be.

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  55. MP says:

    “Of course we need to get involved. Of course we need to flood to the polls. But how much lip service do you see paid here to the corrupted state of our electoral process? Have you EVER seen Steve raise the issue, or call attention to those who ARE raising the issue? How about on mainstream media??? The ONLY way the process will get fixed is by a bi-partisan citizens movement, and media exposure.”
    I agree with you and I plan to raise this very issue in my local community. However, I think it’s equally dangerous to let people off the hook and tempt them to stay home by saying, “your vote doesn’t count, so you might as well not vote.”
    You’re not saying this per se, but that is the conclusion one could draw unwittingly.
    At this point in my investigation, I don’t believe the system is as badly damaged as you do. If it were, we couldn’t have pulled off the Tim Kaine win in Virginia. A small victory, perhaps, but much better IMO than having Kilgore in office.
    I may change my views when I look at your links more closely, but that is my view right now.
    You’re right, Steve should blog on this point. He’s mostly involved in foreign policy, but the two are intertwined.

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  56. profmarcus says:

    besides that, if santorum would occasionally remove his topside appendage from where the sun does not shine, he might have seen fit to express his outrage at the visit to the white house and kennebunkport last week of nursultan nazerbayev of kazakhstan, a corrupt tyrant if there ever was one… ah, but wait… both countries have vast oil resources, but nursultan is sucking UP to us and iran isn’t… aye, and there’s the rub…
    http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/

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  57. Pissed Off American says:

    You ARE NOT going to “vote in” a repaired electoral process. Of course we need to get involved. Of course we need to flood to the polls. But how much lip service do you see paid here to the corrupted state of our electoral process? Have you EVER seen Steve raise the issue, or call attention to those who ARE raising the issue? How about on mainstream media??? The ONLY way the process will get fixed is by a bi-partisan citizens movement, and media exposure. We WILL NOT see such an effort being launched if we keep allowing the diversions and smoke screens that serve as “news” today, such as this Karr shit. The time has long since passed when we should have taken to the streets, and the window of opportunity is slamming shut.
    It is irresponsible to keep holding a broken process up as an instrument for change or improvement. It only fosters the illusion that the process is still intact and credible. Without the vote we have NOTHING, and all this discourse about policy and candidates just serves to advance the fallacy that this government is still accountable to it’s citizens. Good God, if one does not see the very real fact that the checks and balances have been discarded by now, what the fuck is it going to take? Cheney standing before the people with an Uzi hanging on his chest?

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  58. MP says:

    I say: Support John Conyers, work to fix the system, AND vote out Santorum. If we don’t go to the polls, we are GUARANTEEING that Santorum and his ilk will remain in and continue his nasty ways as noted in this post by Steve.
    This strikes me as self-evident…
    Trust is not what I’m advocating. I’m advocating getting involved, fixing the system, and making it work. Americans have almost always been complacent. We hardly ever vote. We hardly ever take part in policing the system to ensure its integrity. Now is the time.

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  59. Pissed Off American says:

    Once again I see a debate being launched here that will have a LIE as the foundation upon which that debate is constructed. And that lie is the power of our vote.
    THE ELECTORAL PROCESS IS CORRUPTED AND CAN NO LONGER BE TRUSTED AS AN INSTRUMENT OF CHANGE.
    Get it??? Kapeesh???
    And until you people start LOUDLY SUPPORTING those that REALIZE the danger our democracy is in, and work to FIX our broken electoral process, (such as John Conyers, or entities such as blackboxvoting.org), then these useless debates about candidates and campaigns amount to little more than pissing into the wind.

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  60. Easy E says:

    steve duncan hits it on the mark. our democracy can only be rescued if comatose citizenry finally wakes up. the challenge: can that happen in the next 60 days? don’t count on it—the complicit corporate media will ensure that everybody stays afraid and stupid.

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  61. MP says:

    Idiocy!!!
    With a little luck and a lot of effort by a hugely underfunded Democratic challenger…Santorum will be out in a few months. Let’s keep it going!
    It is not true that “they” are all the same. Don’t give up on electoral politics. It’s not the only thing to do, but it is important. Withsomeone as extreme as Bush, even a little improvement is important.

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  62. Pissed Off American says:

    How different would our world be today if the media didn’t ignore the real patriots, and the seekers of truth???
    http://www.benfrank.net/blog/

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  63. Frank says:

    Steve Duncan sadly, I think you are right.
    Before the November election, Israel will bomb the Iranian nuclear facilities. Israel cannot allow investigative hearings on the Bush administration. Such hearings will reveal to the world,the Nurenburg quality criminal behaviour that brought the ME to the sad state of affairs it faces today. Such an attack before the election, will be a devilish “favor” to Bush, possibly swinging the election to the republican’s favor.
    After the Lebanon bombing fiasco, Israel needs Bush to stay in power with the little credibility he now has remaining, more than ever. Who better to support Israel after the attack than the “mother” of all “preempters”?
    The US “preempts” Iraq.
    Israel “preempts” Iran.
    A “Slim Pickens” moment from the apocalyptic movie “Dr. Strangelove” looms…..Woweeeeee!!!!

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  64. Joe says:

    Oops forgot the link: The Terrorist’s Nightmare blog http://www.TechnonLLC.com/blog

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  65. Joe says:

    A booklet entitled “Al-Jihad” (holy war) was found in the possession of Hezbollah operatives during the latest conflict in Lebanon and is most likely being used by other terrorists preparing for the next attack against us.
    The booklet, presents the Islamic teachings of Khamenei, an ideology based on jihad and shahada…
    Be sure to read it in The Terrorist’s Nightmare blog and leave your comments here.

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  66. steve duncan says:

    Peace does not serve Bush’s political interests. A vast array of bad policies and issues including taxes, the enviroment, civil liberties, immigration, energy, spending discipline, Social Security and congressional improprieties demand the distraction of war. If Americans could concentrate on anything other than worrying about violent death at the hands of a marauding horde of godless brown infidels Bush would be in trouble. You say he’s already in trouble? Once the RNC spends 100 million$$ on sprint to the finish advertising I look for the predicted tenuous hold on power to actually remain firm. We’re going to hear in the next 60 days that Democrats dream of sleeping with Bin Laden and murdering white babies in their cribs. I’d say a majority of the idiots that comprise our citizenry will believe it.

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  67. Frank says:

    Lets talk with anyone that may delay the end of humankind on this planet. Lets resurrect diplomacy.
    Santorum, that stunning mediocrity, exemplifys the republican rot permeating our political system. His response to Khatami’s visit is an undisguised nod to AIPAC, hoping for even more reelection support from that sixth estate running our country.

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  68. beth says:

    Excellent post. How much more helpful it would be if we would listen to what our allies, “enemies”, and global neighbors are saying to us. Instead, Bush-Cheney et al (Rice is the worst at this I think), lecture TO these other countries.

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