Karl Rove: Don’t Plan on AEI Speech Being His Last Word

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Wednesday this week, the Valerie Plame grand jury will assemble again, and that might be the day that Jason Leopold’s report on Rove’s indictment last Friday either makes global news or fizzles out.
While I haven’t been in the position to work my own sources who have been close to the Fitzgerald investigation, one of the nuances of the Rove-watching I have done in the past may be in play here.
A week before the 2004 presidential election, Rove was decidedly despondent. His numbers showed him that John Kerry was likely going to win, but the furor about Teresa Heinz Kerry’s comments about Laura Bush as well as a last minute Osama bin Laden video gave momentum to a turn-around that Rove saw unfold in the last few days before the race. According to those around him, his mood turned cheery and upbeat, really rather than falsely up, and TWN reported this.
Likewise, before the Libby indictment — about a week before — when Libby had received a letter notifying him of his pending indictment and Rove had not, Rove’s mood reportedly shifted from utter despondency to a much more positive mood. And this indicator proved correct and was also reported on TWN before the five count indictment was handed down. Rove missed the bullet that day, and Libby was taken down.
I don’t have a good read on Rove’s spirits today, but what is suspicious is the degree to which the White House spin machine has gone out of its way to show Rove as calm, in control, witty. . .up.
He was ebullient — too much so — in his AEI speech today. And AP is pushing a line that Rove’s retainers are in unison divulging how “unfazed” the guy is about the Fitzgerald investigation.
From Deb Reichmann’s AP report:

President Bush’s top political adviser, Karl Rove, arrives at the White House every day wearing a jovial smile that masks his boss’ political troubles and his own legal woes.
Rove, the man Bush dubbed “the architect” of his re-election, has the arduous task of halting Bush’s popularity spiral and keeping Democrats from capturing the House or Senate in November elections – while under the threat of indictment in the CIA leak case.
His friends and colleagues say he’s not fazed by his precarious situation.
“Karl’s focus is sharper than ever and his spirit is high,” said Dan Bartlett, White House counselor, downplaying any claims that Rove is distracted. “He packs more work into one day than most of us get done in a week.”
Rove was asked about his legal problems Monday after a speech on the economy at a conservative think tank, the American Enterprise Institute. He ducked. “Nice try,” Rove told the questioner.
If the grand jury weren’t in the news, it would be hard to tell that Rove, a deputy White House chief of staff, is waiting to find out if he’ll be indicted.

She continues with a bit that Rove thought he’d be off the hook by now:

Rove apparently thought it would be over by now.
In a thank-you note to Israel last December, he predicted a quick end. “In short, he thought he would be cleared,” said Israel, who has kept in touch with Rove since leaving Austin in 1999.
Some of Rove’s colleagues suspect the president’s poor poll ratings and the high-stakes midterm elections are weighing the adviser down more than his legal woes.
“It’s not easy, but this is not as tough as 2002 or 2004,” said conservative activist Grover Norquist, who doesn’t think the threat of indictment is real.
“I saw him at dinner last night. He’s fine.”

Rove apparently gave a humdinger of a speech at the American Enterprise Institute, and some are clucking that this could be the last word from Bush’s “architect”.
If indicted, Rove will send Bush’s favorability levels to astounding lows for the self-proclaimed “war-time” President. But while distracted by legal matters, Rove will no doubt likely to lurk behind the scenes of Republican grand strategy for some time. He’s a real genius when it comes to knowing how to gut the Democratic party and call the issues that get the Republican ‘base’ to turn out.
Clearly, Rove & Co. are weakened, but those challenging today’s status quo — whether as dissident Republicans or Democrats — make a major mistake underestimating Rove’s strategic political senses — in or out of the White House.
The best way to beat Rove is to out-Rove him and Bush’s fellow travelers, but there is scant evidence that that is happening yet.
— Steve Clemons

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  5. carot says:

    “The best way to beat Rove is to outlast him Steve. I beat my head in frustration over this cabal and its policies until it became clear post-election November ’04 that the best thing we could do strategically and tactically in opposition was actually acquiesce to a fictional mandate the cabal never really won. Having free reign, the sooner their policies would produce failure and the sooner we could move on. Turns out to be pretty accurate given the “rubber-stamp” congress (excepting SS). ”
    One of the best posts here. Like in Judo and Kung Fu the way to beat a stronger opponent is to use their strength against them. The more they over extend the worse the backlash will be. The Dems however do precisely the wrong thing, fighting the Republicans to a draw and preventing them from over reaching, and hence letting them look more moderate than they are.
    Because they are so radical they screw things up whenever the Dems fail to protect them, and so the country gets worse and worse. The best things the Dems can do and should have been doing for 6 years is sit on their hands.
    They need to say they are not in power and are not in a position to obstruct, only relentlessly point out all the mistakes the Republicans make. Then when the election comes they will be untarnished by all the messups and the Republicans will have no one to blame but themselves.
    But the Dems have gone along with nearly any messup the Bushies have done, and so the Republicans can neutralise their failures by saying the Dems agreed with them. If Rove portrays the failures as bipartisan and the successes as Republican then they will win again this year.

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  6. Kathleen says:

    POA,
    You’re right. I keep wanting it to be different, but then when I was younger, one of my knicknames was Pollyanna. Ideals die hard.

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  7. Pissed Off American says:

    “POA,
    Could you please give the damned DNC lessons in righteous indignation and telling the blunt truth?”
    Posted by Kathleen
    When I posted the numbers about who gets how much from AIPAC on Reid’s blog, and the post was promptly REMOVED, (the ONLY post I have EVER seen removed from Reid’s blog), it struck me that trying to give these bastards “lessons” about ANYTHING is an exercise in futility. As far as Kerry goes, he is cut from the same mold that Bush is. If anyone thinks that mewling posturing fraud is going to give us an “out”, they have another thought coming. Not only will Kerry pursue the same policies, but he will NOT pursue INDICTMENTS AND PUNISHMENT for these IRREFUTABLE TRAITORS and CRIMINALS that comprise the whole of the Bush Administration. If Kerry gets in, these bastards are going to WALK, after LOOTING America of it’s treasure, it’s world standing, and it’s security.

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  8. Kathleen says:

    POA,
    Could you please give the damned DNC lessons in righteous indignation and telling the blunt truth? They’re like a bunch of headless chickens. Kerry lost me when he stood in front of the Grand Canyon and said, knowing what he then supposedly now knew, he would have voted the same way. WTF? I live in a blue state, so my conscience required me to vote for Nader. I can do the math, but I’d rather have the chance to impeach to the yellow bastard than have a liberal trying to out macho a Repugnican.

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  9. Pissed Off American says:

    “The exact moment John Kerry lost that 2004 election was when he started talking about Mary Cheney, the “gay” daughter of Dick Cheney. That was an incredibly dumb move and I guarantee you it affected polls.”
    “It showed Kerry was desperate to say just about anything to win and it turned people off. Osama Bin Laden making a campaign commercial for the Republicans did help, but it was just gravy.”
    Posted by Robert Morrow
    Oh bullshit. Kerry was DESIGNED to lose, and they STILL had to corrupt the numbers to give that lying sack of shit, Bush, the victory.
    (By the way, when you post as Morrow, do you shut the teepee flap so no one can see you as Avaroo????)

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  10. peace says:

    HMM: ” President Bush helped raise $17 million for the Republican Party Wednesday, a welcome financial boost amid GOP gloom over the possible loss of majority control of Congress in November. ”
    Put that together with the whole barbershop thing and I’d say it’s too early to write ’em off yet.
    http://www.instapundit.com/

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  11. Robert Morrow says:

    The exact moment John Kerry lost that 2004 election was when he started talking about Mary Cheney, the “gay” daughter of Dick Cheney. That was an incredibly dumb move and I guarantee you it affected polls.
    It showed Kerry was desperate to say just about anything to win and it turned people off. Osama Bin Laden making a campaign commercial for the Republicans did help, but it was just gravy.

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  12. Jose says:

    What oh Den is missing is that the military (broadly defined by him as contractors and the alphabet … CIA, NSA) is controlled by the guineas thug and his moneys.
    A month and a half before the monkey was elected to office the USS Cole (the military) was attacked and 14 (if I remember correctly) sailors died. There was no response.
    The attack before that, the embassies in North Africa, was retaliated against by a barrage of tomahawk missiles. But no response to the Cole?
    I highly doubt that there was no attack because the uniformed military was incompetent and/or did not want to take out what should have been an obvious threat. The monkey in charge was not interested in terrorism.
    Our prior President left the reaction to the Cole to the incoming administration. Probably thinking the response needed to be stepped up from the tomahawk barrage. The money in charge did not have his beaurocracies tuned to the terrorism channel. The monkey was busy picking a fight with the Chinese, remember the EP-3 spy plane. The military was honed to what they were told to hone in on, and that was not al-quada and company. Now if any one would wish the military to respond to what they see fit and ignore the dictates of the civilian leaders then have the debate there, but the military is told what to do by the guiness thug and company. They are who is to blame for 9/11.

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  13. Kathleen says:

    Please, don’t insult Machiavelli. He had brains and class, Rove is just a crass bully.

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  14. HollyC says:

    Rove- Would a Turd Blossom by any other name stink as much? The Mayberry Machiavellis…
    Even if Rove is indicted (fingers crossed), it does no good to the families of the dead soldiers & civilians. It does not unloot our Treasury.
    I think indictment is a light treatment for Rove & Co. Imprisonment would suit those suits better.

    I wish we could build a new UN building
    and an international criminal court
    at the WTC site

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  15. Pissed Off American says:

    Good to see you posting again, Den. And thanks for spelling it out to those that still want to portray evil as genius. They just don’t get the fact that if you walk up behind someone and shoot them in the head it doesn’t make you a good fighter, it just makes you a fuckin’ murderer.

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  16. Neil says:

    With a straight face you actually quote Grover Norquist on how Rove is doing?
    Wasn’t Luskin home when you called?
    I’ll say you didn’t “have time to work” your sources!

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  17. LeeB says:

    Four hijacked aircraft buzzing around New York and Washington for eighty minutes, and never challenged by a single fighter jet. Makes you think. Gee whiz.
    You have put your finger on one of the burning questions still not answered in all the so-called investigating of the events of 911.
    Some of us have definitely noticed.

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  18. Den Valdron says:

    Not to get sidetracked from the fine sport of knocking down the hype and inflated balloon that is Karl Rove’s undeserved reputation, but I do think that making a distinction between the ‘military’ and the ‘pentagon’ is fairly meaningless.
    The Pentagon is simply a nerve center for the military, or more properly, for the military-industrial complex. It’s not a thing in and of itself. America has, in addition to the Pentagon, flotillas of air, army and naval bases in literally every state of the Union, it has something like 800 overseas bases, and it has eleven aircraft carrier battle groups and a navy of several hundred ships. Throw in paramilitaries like the National Guard, the Coast Guard, Intelligence agencies like the NSA and CIA, the worlds largest nuclear fleet, the highest and most advanced technology available, roughly a million men, give or take, in direct service…
    And you’re basically accounting for well over 50% or more of the military resources and spending on the ENTIRE PLANET.
    And what kind of bang do you get for that buck in terms of safety and defense?
    Well, I’ll tell you: Osama Bin Laden had four hijacked aircraft cruising around in the skies of the most densely populated, heavily guarded, politically and economically critical space on the planet for 80, COUNT THEM, EIGHTY SOLID FRIKKING MINUTES, and that pack of heavily armed retards with their thumbs up your asses you call a ‘military’ couldn’t bestir themselves to stop even one. Your country could have levelled Russia in a fraction of that time, but somehow, everyone was too busy holding their dicks for EIGHTY CONSECUTIVE MINUTES, PRACTICALLY AN HOUR AND A HALF, to actually do something about it.
    I mean, okay, its true. Your military is really good, given unlimited resources and months of preparation, at kicking the shit out of small defenseless countries with half baked, half trained armies using obsolete equipment, halfway around the world. Rah Rah, USA USA, Go Team Go! Yeah, we got that.
    But when it actually came down to protecting American lives? Where were they? Think about it.
    I mean, let’s face it. In the last 40 years, the military has sucked down, what? 20 trillion? 30 trillion?
    Since the end of the Cold War, when the USSR ceased to exist and you had no military rivals or adversaries left on the planet…. when the best anyone could come up with for an enemy was North Korea a country on the edge of famine and collapse, and Iraq which was slowly being dismantled by sanctions, the US military sucked up what… conservatively five or six trillion dollars?
    Of which, it seems, an audit of practices over the last little while suggests that the military is unable to account for approximately two trillion dollars worth of spending? Oh my. That’s what? 25% or better going down a black hole?
    Remember all those stories of $900 toilet seats, unnecessary and dangerous weapons programs, tighty whitey revolving doors between Pentagon officials and Defense contractors?
    What kind of bang are you getting for your buck?Spare me the rah rah patriotism, and spare me the kneejerk defense of the grunts on the ground who are somehow underpaid, screwed over, and ceaselessly having their veterans entitlements chipped away. Forget those guys, because while I appreciate your reflexive patriotism, they aren’t the military, they’re just poster boys and cannon fodder and we all know it. You’ve got a country that invests a billion dollars in a single warplane, but chips awayat the combat death entitlement because its too expensive. We all know where the real military and the real priorities are.
    So, let me ask again… what sort of bang are you getting for that buck?
    Because personally, the words running through my mind are incompetent, bloated, inefficient, laborious, corrupt, incompetent, bureaucratic, ravenous, overhyped, inept, sluggish, self absorbed, brutal, obscene, incompetent and well, you get my drift.
    Four hijacked aircraft buzzing around New York and Washington for eighty minutes, and never challenged by a single fighter jet. Makes you think. Gee whiz.
    Y’know, when Mathias Rust piloted a piper cub into Red Square, half the Soviet Air command got sacked over that. No one died, but it was the principal of the thing. They had a job to do defending their country. No one died, but people could have died, and so they were held accountable to that possibility.
    On 9/11 some 3000 Americans died. Eighty minutes of cruising around, looking for the right target, no one stopped them. Months of planning and training, while under CIA and FBI surveillance, no one did anything.
    But no one got sacked over that. Not even a reprimand as far as I can tell. Instead, the military handed out medals this way and that. What sort of medal do you get for jerking off? I dunno. I suppose the President knows. No accountability moments there, certainly none for the Pentagon. After all, it was just a mistake, its all about their feelings, give them a hug. Let’s not argue about whose job it was to stop four hijacked aircraft in the eighty minutes they cruised around, lets all admit that we tried really hard and its no ones fault.
    So… after all the time and money, the manpower and resources, the skies full of fighter jets, the seas full of warships, the bases dotting the globe, after a million men under arms and more spent on defense than the other 160 countries of the planet combined… you figure you’re getting value for money? You think so? You feel safe?
    Good for you.
    By the way. If I’ve offended anyone, I’m glad…

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  19. dusty says:

    I believe Krazy Karl is crazy like a fox. He knows how to inflame the religious right, thereby insuring they turn out and vote. He just didn’t plan on the Iraq war taking the feet out from under the Shrub’s administration. If you watched his address at AEI and the questions afterward, he was very adamant that the war is what is causing the Shrub’s problems..that pesky war! He said..and I loved this spin..that people actually “like” the Shrub, they just don’t like his “job performance” with regard to the war..
    umm..which is more important Karl? but nice try anyway.

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  20. Maria says:

    I recently discovered this blog through a copy of the Dartmouth Plan a friend of mine in D.C. forwarded me. I believe she said she got it through a contact at the DLC.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dartmouth_Plan
    I’ve been reading this blog on and off for a while now thanks to this plan, and I say kudos to Den Valdron for his statement! You should try to have that essay published on Huffingtonpost as recommended by this plan. It says so many things extremely well. Den Valdron is exactly right about Karl Rove and will be encouraged to know this plan to combat those tactics is being circulated nationally. I certainly will do my part here in Texas.

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  21. goethean says:

    > How in the world do we deal with THAT?!
    With Greg Palast? Don’t read him.

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  22. Carroll says:

    Den Valdron ..I believe it’s the Pentagon that sucks up the money, not the military..after all they are the ones that lost 2 trillion they can’t account for….
    As for Rove, I don’t think he is a genius either, he’s just a math and numbers guy, with a bag of dirty tricks.
    After listening to his speech yesterday I am once again unimpressed at how he uses figures to make up his own reality..and all the idiots that nod their heads agreeing two and two equals five. You wonder if the ditto heads are really stupid or are just playing along and reinforcing, thinking we are all stupid.

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  23. Kathleen says:

    I’m with you, Den Valdron, but I think Steve means outsmart the guy, not emulate him.

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  24. LeeB says:

    Teeee-rific post, Den Valdron!
    The election integrity issue is huge, and according to Greg Palast, the thugs have it sewed up via the NSA data mining and Choice Point. How in the world do we deal with THAT?!
    http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=502&row=0

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  25. Den Valdron says:

    Well, allow me to take a big dump over yet another cherished American illusion.
    Karl Rove is not a genius. His political work is not about genius. He’s not particularly brilliant or superhuman. What he is, is a cheap thug in a high place.
    Look, if we examine Rove’s trademark and history, what stands out is a series of cheapshot dirty tricks. Whether its John McCain’s ‘illegitimate black baby’, Al Gore ‘inventing the internet’, John Kerry’s ‘swift boats’, Ann Richard’s ‘lesbian adventures’… what it all has in common is (a) It’s all lies and cheap scummy tricks; (b) It’s further into the gutter than anyone is prepared to go; and (c) The base eats it up and the media panders to it.
    Well sorry, but big fat hairy deal. Give me a break. That’s not brilliance. It’s no more brilliant than a pimp turning out a twelve year old runaway to prostitution and drug addiction. It’s no more genius than some liquor store robber. The pimp and the liquor store robber are equivalent examples of ‘brilliance’ and ‘genius’, they’re great textbook capitalists, they’ve figured out ways to ‘make a killing’ for minimal investment.
    Yeah sure. Like Rove, these guys too are prepared to violate the established norms, heedless of consequences and harm, and they reap potentially huge rewards from their boldness, their daring, their ‘thinking outside the box.’
    Well, you know what? Anyone could be Karl Rove. All you have to do is head for the nearest gutter and keep going down. True? Who cares. Immoral? So what. Against the norms and written and unwritten rules? Just watch us.
    Anyone could do it. Just set morals and standards aside and go for it.
    Now, two observations. First, one of the keys to a pimps success in degrading and prostituting twelve year old girls is that the cops in the neighborhood are looking the other way, for whatever reason.
    Well, in Rove’s case, the media likes to look the other way. Or they like to sidle on up for a 12 year old’s blowjob. The Republican party has given up on policing itself, the ‘moderate’ and the ‘moral’ republicans have followed Rove into the gutter, or are, like the pawnbroker taking bloody jewelry, willing to profit from the crime.
    So, like the pimp, Rove succeeds because the system that is supposed to keep people honest breaks down. Well, that’s not genius on Rove’s part. That’s just corruption everywhere else. We can blame him for the degradation of corruption, but we certainly can’t give him creditfor it.
    Now, the other thing of course, is that a guy like Rove succeeds because no one else is down at that level of the gutter with him. Well, that doesn’t last.
    Rove play only succeeds when it is a tolerated singularity, and that isn’t a stable situation. Either the system, the consensus, revolts and crushes and disgraces Rove (which doesn’t seem to be happening), or sooner or later, simple naked self interest means that everyone else has to descend to that gutter level. When everyone is working at that level, then Rove is just another voice, he’s got no advantage. Of course, the result is a degenerate swamp, but there you go. Frankly, in the refusal of media or the system to hold him accountable, we’re well on the way.
    Finally, I’d like to note the ample evidence of electoral fraud and manipulation. I don’t think that anyone who looks at the scene any more can dispute that there is no longer any ability to verify the integrity of American elections. In short: It is now impossible to prove American elections are honest. It is only a short step from there towards realistic inferences of fraud. My own view is that the integrity of elections is so critical that if you cannot guarantee that integrity, you are essentially presuming fraud.
    Does it really take a genius to implement election fraud? Voter suppression? Legal and illegal disenfranchisement? Diebold manipulation? Hardly. It’s merely a particular kind of scumdoggery. It’s just a bit further down the gutter, perhaps further down than we’d like to believe Rove has gone. But that’s Rove’s stock in trade, descending further down than people will believe, and further than they’ll follow. Genius? Nope.
    Finally, I’d take a gander at the environment that Rove exists in. A Democratic party that is paralzyed, impotent and suicidal. A media which is all too often in his back pocket. A corrupt corporate establishment that backs his boys. With advantages like that, who couldn’t succeed?
    And that’s a hard point. *Who couldn’t succeed* with Rove’s built in advantages? And yet, despite that, he frequently has skirted defeat and doom, his career has its ups and downs. He’s like a black belt among pre-schoolers, and all too frequently, they’re getting in blows at him. What’s up with that? Even with his penchant for pimping out twelve year olds, or for kicking five year olds in the nuts, he still only barely manages his wins.
    Yes, he wins, and frequently. But really, consider his inbuilt advantages, his willingness to descend to unplumbed depths of a gutter… it shouldn’t even be as close as it is. It shouldn’t occasionally be something like a contest.
    So genius? Or simply an uncommonly vicious and venal thug whose inbuilt assets and society’s tolerance allows him success far beyond his actual competence?
    Ladies and gentlemen, I vote the latter.
    Someone once said that the military is the last functioning, competent institution in American life. My reply was that the military sucks up a half trillion dollars a year, every year, for decades, without either military or economic accountability. It’s easy to be the big dog with effectively unlimited resources and zero accountability. The reputation of the American military is largely undeserved.
    By the same token, so is Rove’s reputation undeserved.
    Or maybe we’ll just start calling child pimps and liquor store bandits geniuses too.
    How about it, folks?

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  26. damondidit says:

    “The best way to beat Rove is to out-Rove him and Bush’s fellow travelers, but there is scant evidence that that is happening yet.”
    The best way to beat Rove is to outlast him Steve. I beat my head in frustration over this cabal and its policies until it became clear post-election November ’04 that the best thing we could do strategically and tactically in opposition was actually acquiesce to a fictional mandate the cabal never really won. Having free reign, the sooner their policies would produce failure and the sooner we could move on. Turns out to be pretty accurate given the “rubber-stamp” congress (excepting SS).
    The country will move on. It will take some time to dig out from the problems created by Rove and his ilk, but in outlasting the onslaught and holding the fallback defenses, we win through attrition. It’s clearly a broken offensive now with all that’s left being mop-up operations for the victors.
    History is not going to be kind to any of the architects of this administration.

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  27. the bowler says:

    Newsweek is reporting that Rove has looked depressed lately. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12804254/site/newsweek/

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  28. serial catowner says:

    I don’t know much, but I’m pretty sure Rove is no genius- he just plays one on tv.
    Like the man said, Rove despondent- until that OBL video shows up, just in the nick of time.
    If they were real geniuses, they wouldn’t need the ability to tamper with Diebold voting machines. If they thought they had a real majority, they’d be first in line demanding a paper trail and voting results that can be verified.

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  29. Stephen Dulaney says:

    The grand jury has the room reserved to meet every Wednesday and Friday. It is my understanding that they have a number they call to check if they need to show up or not. Additionally this is a regular grand jury and they can meet and hear about other cases not presented by Fitzgerald.
    I do confess to enjoying a daily visit to Wayne Madsen report to follow the story from his point of view. Wayne is in a place in his life where he can take the day off, set up a lawn chair across from the building where the grand jury meets, grab a late from Star Bucks and sit and watch in person. He reports that he did so last Friday and describes the scene of a official motorcade speeding into the parking lot around noon, staying for about 30 minutes and leaving.
    He speculates that this was the Attorney General Gonzo formally hearing the conclusions that the grand jury will return when ever they return their decisions. Waynes says that it is a gesture of fairness to let the AG have a chance to ask the jurors questions in person.
    What was interesting to me was going back on Wayne’s archives and reading how he reposted events in October a week before the Libby announcements and press conference were held.
    I know Wayne is out there on some of the story he tells but its really fun to go back and read his wild ass speculation in retrospect and see what parts of his story that I thought completely conspirator at the time happen to resemble what did actually take place. Then I like to wonder which things he reports today will look different a year from now.
    So we have Jason’s story
    A Larry Johnson comment about Wilson hearing the same thing but not from Jason,
    And Wayne sitting the same motorcade that he did one week before Libby was indicted.
    I would guess that Fitzgerald on Thursday late in the day announces a 1:30 pm Eastern Time press conference.
    Anyway, I just love this internet thing its fun to watch it unfold.
    Stephen Dulaney

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  30. RichF says:

    “Everyday reality now is a complete fiction, manufactured by the media landscape and we operate inside it.” – JG Ballard
    Posted by daCascadian at May 15, 2006 09:33 PM
    “Disneyland was constructed so that everyone would forget that all of California is really Disneyland.” — Beaudrillard
    “California was constructed so that everyone would forget that all of America is really California.” — RichF

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  31. tired says:

    Steve: You say that the Fitzgerald grand jury is meeting again on Wednesday. Is this significant? Is this a regularly scheduled meeting or has Fitzgerald decided to convene them for some reason?

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  32. Sally says:

    You’d think things are going so well for the Republicans the Democrats have nothing to campaign on. It’s beyond comprehension unless they want a one-party (Republican) government, too. Let’s hope former Vice-President Gore steps in to save us.

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  33. vachon says:

    In the current political climate of trying to prove a negative: “I am not correupt”, anyone even remotely associated with Rove, should he be indicted, is doomed. The blogs will sniff this out in a nano-second. However, I’d watch for a front LLC somewhere in the Rove Legal Defense Fund offices.

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  34. larry birnbaum says:

    As others have mentioned: NO, we do not want to out-Rove these people. They have done nothing that will last. The damage they have done domestically will be undone, by Congress and the courts and by the American people at the ballot box.
    The damage they have done abroad will be harder to fix, but with hard heads and hard work it will be done.

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  35. taters says:

    Steve – like ebullient = whisting past the graveyard? Great piece.

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  36. taters says:

    Lee Atwater’s last days were not pleasant, nor the kind I would wish on anyone. Except for this treasonous SOB Rove. We still don’t know the extent of the damage that was suffered by the outing of Plame.

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  37. osage says:

    Rove will be indicted and, eventually, so will Cheney whether he resigns for health reasons (narcolepsy) or not. Rove wouldn’t have been before the grand jury five times without being informed he was cleared unless he was going to be indicted. Fitzgerald is slowly increasing the heat on Rove by leaving him hanging, and on Cheney by signaling he is next. Rove’s indictment will be devasting to the White House and the Republican Party. They’ve sealed their own political fate with their criminal actions and coverup.

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  38. manowar says:

    Remember Delay’s smile.

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  39. kim says:

    Steve, if you really want to know what’s going on with Rove moodwise, look at his weight. When things are going well, he eats. When not, he loses weight. It’s been that way for as long as I’ve followed his career (I’m a former Texan). His weight loss shows in his face; his double chin teeters on being a triple. Did you take a close look at yesterday’s pix? He’s skinny as a goat; where’s the double chin? And most of that weight has come off since his last grand jury appearance over 2 weeks ago.
    This guy is hurting.

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  40. profmarcus says:

    “The best way to beat Rove is to out-Rove him and Bush’s fellow travelers, but there is scant evidence that that is happening yet.”
    out-roving rove is the last thing anyone should be trying to do… genius…? yes… evil…? most certainly…
    i do not wish ill or bad times for anyone… i have closely followed karl rove for a little less than two years… i suppose it’s accurate to say that he has occupied as much of my political bandwidth as any other member of the bush cabal except, perhaps, for george himself…
    in the course of my observations, i have come to an inescapable conclusion… karl rove is a major source of fear and darkness in this world… he has carefully and meticulously cultivated his considerable abilities in those two areas and has succeeded, very nearly single-handedly, in twisting our national discourse in ways unimaginable 20 years ago… we desperately need to have karl rove permanently removed from any centers of power, not only in the united states but in the world… he should not, in fact, MUST not be emulated…
    maybe karl will take the opportunity, at some point in whatever years he has remaining to him, to realign himself with the forces of good… i sincerely hope that he does… in the meantime, if this week sees an announcement of his indictment and/or resignation, i, for one, will be dancing in the street…
    http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/

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  41. degustibus says:

    What does it matter if Rove is indicted? He’ll still be in a position to manuever, in or out of the White House.
    Does anyone really believe that this is another nail in Bush’s coffin? This stuff goes on forever — even if there’s a trial, there’ll be an appeal. Even in the unlikely event he’s convicted there’ll be a pardon. Frogwalking Rove? Dream on.
    We liberals are so eager to see a glimmer of hope that we’re grasping at straws — the fact is our so-called liberal congressment are still in a state of semiparalysis, unable to take strong stands for fear they’ll lose their corporate handouts. Or be labelled unpatriotic.
    We’re still stuck with the war (maybe an expanded one), with the tax cuts for the rich (made permanent!), with a conservative court, a Republican dominated congress, and a lapdog media. Taking Rove down will change none of this, none of it, not one iota.
    Impeachment would put a lot of pressure on — but that’s not gonna happen either.
    Drift. For the next two years, drift.

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  42. jeff says:

    I was wondering if any “indictment event” would involve more people than Rove, it does seem that Fitz is signalling a larger target group. The commentary in blogland is focused on Rove but, working from my (very) inexpert understanding, I’d add some people like Rice and Bolton, and maybe Cheney.

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  43. Lara says:

    Steve,
    Now you see the point of Luskin perhaps feeding Leopold the story…to soften the blow…if everyone is “sick of it” by the time it actually does break (Wednesday or Friday, or next week?), then everyone will be like “Ok, yeah, next.”
    This is my theory as to why Jason’s sources have only talked to him….and for that matter why Luskin and Corallo have only denied it to the non-mainstream press. I mean you don’t see Luskin or Corallo going on the record with the WaPo? Hence, I think it is going down later this week and they just wanted to “ease the public into it.”

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  44. steve duncan says:

    Actually the best way to beat Rove may involve methods resulting in a decidedly permanent ending of his career.

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  45. Daniel DiRito says:

    To read an analysis on what recently appears to be Republican infighting amongst factions…but is more likely part of a larger Karl Rove campaign strategy…link here:
    http://www.thoughttheater.com

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  46. daCascadian says:

    Yawn, more spin drama
    Why do you folks buy into all this breaking noise crap until the story is factual/”out there” ?
    They have played you like a top & continue to do so since they know who talks to whom & when; your social networks have been mapped for quite some time (ever hear of the NSA ?)
    Time to go for the puppet masters & not the puppets
    “Everyday reality now is a complete fiction, manufactured by the media landscape and we operate inside it.” – JG Ballard

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  47. ecoast says:

    Steve, actually you should care about Rove.
    We need to take him down first and foremost.
    To me, Fitz Cheney is incidental -if it happens, it happens. I am not going to care. But Fitz needs to indict Rove and stop him dead on his tracks. Then the empire will crumble. With Cheney, not so much.

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  48. Steve says:

    It’s funny, I don’t even care about Rove now. Sure seeing him indicted would be fine, but… to me the key issue now will be whether Fitz is going to take a serious shot at Cheney, who seems to be the real architect and root of our country’s tumble into the abyss. Hear anything on this topic Steve?

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