Juan Cole on Engaging the Muslim World

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Juan Cole is such a refreshing, extraordinary force attempting to drag Americans toward a more enlightened and constructive understanding of the Muslim world.
I had the privilege this week of hosting Cole for a discussion of his just released book, Engaging the Muslim World.
If you want to have a quick 8 minutes with Juan, the clip above works well. A longer presentation and discussion is here.
More soon.
— Steve Clemons

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38 comments on “Juan Cole on Engaging the Muslim World

  1. george says:

    any religion that is part of todays world not the ancient past, and uses the “join or die mentality” beheading and treating women like property and not equals in society needs to be removed from the earth. perhaps the best way to rid the world of this plague is to simply allow them to gather to one nation don’t care which any one will do then just when they think they have driven the US and others out NUKE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!

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  2. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “You silly mathmatical calculus ignores the fact that one society accepts and tolerates women, and the the other doesn’t. One society accepts and tolerates the 21st Century world with music, and entertainment, and tolerance of other cultures, and the other doesn’t”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7982146.stm
    Papers alter Israel cabinet photo
    Two ultra-Orthodox Jewish newspapers have altered a photo of Israel’s new cabinet, removing two female ministers.
    Limor Livnat and Sofa Landver were grouped with the rest of the 30-member cabinet for their inaugural photo.
    But Yated Neeman newspaper digitally changed the picture by replacing them with two men. The Shaa Tova newspaper blacked the women out.
    Publishing pictures of women is viewed by many ultra-orthodox Jews as a violation of female modesty.
    Other Israeli papers reprinted the altered images next to the original photos, with one headlining it “Find the lady”.
    The ultra-Orthodox community separates itself from mainstream society through its traditional religious practices and distinctive attire of black hats, coats and sidelocks for the men and long skirts and sleeves for the women.
    Restrictions include using only Kosher telephones, and not accessing websites with content deemed inappropriate.

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  3. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Christians and the civilized world has evolved and moved beyond barbarism and carnage of the middle ages”
    A million dead Iraqi non-combatants, millions more displaced, chemical light sticks being shoved up muslim rectums, and a superpower being LIED to war using Muslim boogiemen as the rationale. By a supposedly “Christian” nation.
    And you can make a comment that ridiculous?
    Gads, Tony, get a fuckin’ clue.

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  4. TonyForesta says:

    You make a good point Ajaz and validate my positions. Christians and the civilized world has evolved and moved beyond barbarism and carnage of the middle ages. Islam, and particularly jihadist islam, has not. Join the 21st Century or suffer the fiery consequences, because – get this straight – the rest of civilized humanity is NEVER going to revert to the freakish perversions, mysogony, and of the middle ages.
    The sooner the world is rid of the perverted malignancy of jihadist islam, – the better for the rest of civilized humanity.

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  5. Ajaz says:

    Springer
    How ignorant you are, typical American who does not know history. Ever heard of Spanish inquisitions? It was Christians who slaughtered over 300,000 Muslims and Jews in Spain for refusing to convert to Christianity. Also, it was the Vatican that killed nearly one million Orthodox Christians because they did not agree with Vatican’s view of Christianity. You may say all that was some time ago, indeed it was. But it still does not justify killing under any garb, be it in Gaza or under Christian or Islamic flags.

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  6. Springer says:

    “It makes absolutely no sense to discuss on such a generalized level.”
    “Aha. And Christianity is against terrorism, right?” – Paul Norheim-
    This is where I disagree with you. In the big picture, it is mostly a true statement that followers of Islam support terrorism and Christians are against terrorism.
    I know of no Christian Church, which currently says that it is God’s will to kill Muslims and Iranians. But I can find Islamic clerics preaching that it is allah’s will to kill Jews, Americans, and infidels. Where can you find thousands of Americans shouting the equivalent of ”Death to America”.
    Go ahead and laugh. But it is generally true that all Christians are against terrorism. And the same is not generally true for all Muslims.
    And to generalize one more time, that’s why you are wrong (mostly).

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  7. Paul Norheim says:

    Going back more than 10 years, Sudan did aid islamic rebels during Ethiopia/Eritrea war. And tens of thousands died in that war which ended in 1993. (Springer)
    Those who died in the Ethiopian/Eritrean war were mostly killed by the Ethiopians and Eritreans themselves, and that war happened at the end of the 90`s – not in 1993. (I think you are confusing it with the Tigrean/Eritrean fight against Mengistu`s central government, which ended in 93. And that fight was largtely an independence war, and had little to do with Islamic fundamentalism.
    “Within your time limit of 10 years, both Sudan and Eritrea have aided the Islamic terrorist groups. For example, the Oromo Liberation Front”
    True, but even this is more a proxy war between Eritrea and Ethiopia: The latter is supporting groups opposed to the government in Eritrea.
    “Or maybe, it is more correct to say, that islam supports terrorism.”
    Aha. And Christianity is against terrorism, right?
    It makes absolutely no sense to discuss on such a generalized level.
    And your facts are mostly wrong.

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  8. TonyForesta says:

    Forgive the double post it is a captcha issue. Post’s to not register. I return and repost, and somehow two posts hit.

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  9. TonyForesta says:

    You can pitch your tent with the jihadis POA, and all the Israel and American haters out there, – but if forced to pick a side I stand with America, and Israel, and will work in any way I can, and support every effort to burn every jihadist off the face of the earth. You can defend their freakish mysoginistic primitive barbarism if you want, – but the larger point is lost. More muslims will die. We have the better weapons technologies, so obviously – more muslims are going to die if they support and advance jihadism. That’s the point. Get that simple truth straight. We want more jihadi’s to die. We want the numbers of smoked jihadis far larger, than Israeli’s or Americans. Far larger. You silly mathmatical calculus ignores the fact that one society accepts and tolerates women, and the the other doesn’t. One society accepts and tolerates the 21st Century world with music, and entertainment, and tolerance of other cultures, and the other doesn’t. One society teaches it’s fiveyearolds it is allah’s will to kill Jews, Americans, and infidels, (including their own sisters and brothers), and the other doesn’t. One society throw acid in the face of young girls whose crime is attending school, and the other doesn’t. From my perspective – the society that lives in the middle ages, that proselytizes massmurder and suicide and allahs will, and that has way to much affection for farm animals deserves to be the group of people suffering the heaviest losses. Incomparable losses. Losses that our thousands or millions to one. The point is to destroy this malignancy, and eradicate this freakshow, and massmurdering perverts from the face of the earth.
    So yes POA, you can slime me personally and frame my “mania” and “tunnel vision” in whatever negative light you want, – but I stand firm in the position that the real barbarians and mass murderers are jihadis and I applaud the overwhelming numbers of jihadis deaths. I want every single jihadi burnt from the face of the earth.
    Am I defending American or Israeli abuses? No. But you keep rejecting the notion that Islam must “join the 21st century”. That means accepting that other cultures religions, and nations exist, and have the right to exist and that in civilized societies sane parent do not send their daughters and sons to their deaths strapped with symptex to kill innocent Jews, Americans, and infidels. Israel and America should use cluster muunitions to kill jihadis, and figure out a way to contaminate all jihadis maddrasess and bases with deadly DU dust, and use the more modern method of frying them in white phosphorous? Every single jihadi on earth must burn!!!
    10,000 to one is not acceptable. 100,000 to one is a flawed model. Every single jihadi must be burnt from the face of the earth. Allah be praised.

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  10. TonyForesta says:

    You can pitch your tent with the jihadis POA, and all the Israel and American haters out there, – but if forced to pick a side I stand with America, and Israel, and will work in any way I can, and support every effort to burn every jihadist off the face of the earth. You can defend their freakish mysoginistic primitive barbarism if you want, – but the larger point is lost. More muslims will die. We have the better weapons technologies, so obviously – more muslims are going to die if they support and advance jihadism. That’s the point. Get that simple truth straight. We want more jihadi’s to die. We want the numbers of smoked jihadis far larger, than Israeli’s or Americans. Far larger. You silly mathmatical calculus ignores the fact that one society accepts and tolerates women, and the the other doesn’t. One society accepts and tolerates the 21st Century world with music, and entertainment, and tolerance of other cultures, and the other doesn’t. One society teaches it’s fiveyearolds it is allah’s will to kill Jews, Americans, and infidels, (including their own sisters and brothers), and the other doesn’t. One society throw acid in the face of young girls whose crime is attending school, and the other doesn’t. From my perspective – the society that lives in the middle ages, that proselytizes massmurder and suicide and allahs will, and that has way to much affection for farm animals deserves to be the group of people suffering the heaviest losses. Incomparable losses. Losses that our thousands or millions to one. The point is to destroy this malignancy, and eradicate this freakshow, and massmurdering perverts from the face of the earth.
    So yes POA, you can slime me personally and frame my “mania” and “tunnel vision” in whatever negative light you want, – but I stand firm in the position that the real barbarians and mass murderers are jihadis and I applaud the overwhelming numbers of jihadis deaths. I want every single jihadi burnt from the face of the earth.
    Am I defending American or Israeli abuses? No. But you keep rejecting the notion that Islam must “join the 21st century”. That means accepting that other cultures religions, and nations exist, and have the right to exist and that in civilized societies sane parent do not send their daughters and sons to their deaths strapped with symptex to kill innocent Jews, Americans, and infidels. Israel and America should use cluster muunitions to kill jihadis, and figure out a way to contaminate all jihadis maddrasess and bases with deadly DU dust, and use the more modern method of frying them in white phosphorous? Every single jihadi on earth must burn!!!
    10,000 to one is not acceptable. 100,000 to one is a flawed model. Every single jihadi must be burnt from the face of the earth. Allah be praised.

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  11. Springer says:

    “Could you perhaps provide facts regarding how many people those islamic militiamen have killed in Ethiopia during the last, say 10 years – – compared to the amounts of Muslims in Somalia killed by Ethiopian soldiers (aided by USA) during the recent invasion and war in Somalia?” Paul Norheim
    To be honest, I don’t know how many muslims that Ethiopians soldiers have killed. However, the islamic militiamen have killed several hundred thousand more than the Ethiopians have.
    Within your time limit of 10 years, both Sudan and Eritrea have aided the Islamic terrorist groups. For example, the Oromo Liberation Front, which periodically launches attacks across the border into Ethiopia (http://www.jimmatimes.com/article.cfm?articleId=32025).
    Going back more than 10 years, Sudan did aid islamic rebels during Ethiopia/Eritrea war. And tens of thousands died in that war which ended in 1993. And historically, islamic nomads (Somali) have attacked Ethiopia, just as the ONLF has recently done. The money for these attacks is coming from all over the islamic world (including Sudan). http://doc.operationspaix.net/serv1/CIPO_ZIF_armedmovementsinSudanChadCARSomaliaEritreaEthiopia_2008-02_.pdf
    Sudan has sponsored terrorism. Or maybe, it is more correct to say, that islam supports terrorism. Read Juan Cole latest book on islam and any of Bat Ye’or books and, you will come away thinking that Cole’s option on islam is wrong.

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  12. Kathleen G says:

    Let’s see the I lobby knocks out Charles Freeman trying to make sure that there will not be fair and balanced analysis of intelligence having to do with the middle east, Iran etc. Then you apply more pressure on the Obama administration by sending a threatening letter telling Obama you have a “few months” to negotiate with Iran a “few months”. What the hell is this letter about?
    Where is the evidence that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon? Why are these individuals pushing for sanctions against Iran based on what?
    What does Juan Cole (and others of course) think about this letter to Obama?

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  13. Kathleen G says:

    Friday, March 27, 2009
    Letter to President Obama on U.S.-Iran policy
    March 26, 2009
    The President
    The White House
    Washington, D.C. 20500
    Dear Mr. President:
    We write in strong agreement with your firm position that Iran cannot be allowed to possess a nuclear weapon. We are distressed by the recent International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report that Iran has already stockpiled enough low enriched uranium to generate one nuclear weapon.
    Clearly, the Iranian nuclear program must be dealt with on an urgent basis. We wish to share our views with you as your Administration reviews U.S. policy toward Iran. We believe that several principles will be vital to the success of any effort to engage the Government of Iran:
    Engagement must be serious and credible, but it cannot be open-ended. Our goal should be to bring about Iran’s near-term suspension of uranium enrichment, and we should offer Iran meaningful incentives in order to achieve this goal. But we cannot allow Iran to use diplomatic discussions as a cover for continuing to work on its nuclear program. Iran must verifiably suspend its uranium enrichment program within at most a few months of the initiation of discussions.
    We urge that the talks begin as soon as possible, so that we will have the earliest possible indication of whether they will succeed in halting Iran’s nuclear program. American action on this matter cannot be deferred. Waiting until after the Iranian presidential elections in June would give Tehran as much as six more months of unhindered enrichment and stockpiling.
    Should the process of engagement not yield the desired results, we would urge you to immediately apply the tools at your disposal to increase economic pressure on the Iranians. Examples of powerful actions within your legal authority include:
    Sanctioning the Central Bank of Iran
    Sanctioning international banks that continue to do business with Iranian banks
    Denying access to American ports to shipping companies whose ships call on Iranian ports
    Sanctioning insurance companies that insure vessels calling on Iranian ports or that insure aircraft landing at Iranian airports
    Sanctioning energy companies investing in Iran’s oil and gas sector
    Beyond our own independent efforts, we must also line up our allies now to take significantly greater action if the process of engagement does not yield the desired results. In that case, our allies should accept that the urgency of the situation will require stern measures that will broadly affect Iran’s economy. They should be prepared to prohibit Iranian banks from operating on their territory and to
    cease allowing Iran to conduct international financial transactions in Euros, pounds, and yen. Similarly,
    they should stop the practice of providing export credits to their companies seeking business in Iran, and they should also bar their companies from continuing to deliver refined petroleum to Iran. In addition, they should cease selling Iran catalytic converters, which are critical to the functioning of Iran’s own refineries.
    We must make Iran a matter of the highest priority in our relations with Russia and China.
    In short, Mr. President, if we truly mean that Iran cannot be allowed to possess nuclear weapons, urgent action is required today. We must use the time available to us to begin engagement and to convince the Iranians of our seriousness of purpose. Otherwise, we will face far more difficult decisions in the future.
    We look forward to the results of your policy review and to the early implementation of your policy of engagement. We stand ready to work with you to deal with the grave threat that Iran now poses to international stability and security.
    Sincerely,
    The Honorable Steny H. Hoyer
    The Honorable Howard L. Berman
    The Honorable Ike Skelton
    The Honorable Sylvestre Reyes
    The Honorable Henry A. Waxman
    The Honorable Gary L. Ackerman
    The Honorable Robert Wexler
    Additional Coverage
    Letter to President Obama on U.S.-Iran policy (.PDF version)
    SO WHY ARE WEXLER, ACKERMAN, WAXMAN, REYES, SKELTON, BERMAN AND HOYER APPLYING THIS TYPE OF PRESSURE ON OBAMA…WHEN OBAMA HAS JUST ATTEMPTED TO REACH OUT IN A GESTURE FOCUSED ON DIPLOMACY INSTEAD OF INFLAMMATORY RHETORIC TOWARDS IRAN?
    YOU WOULD ALMOST THINK THIS GROUP WHO SIGNED THIS LETTER ARE PUSHING FOR A CONFRONTATION WITH IRAN

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  14. Ajaz says:

    Don Bacon
    I did not imply that we are the insurgents and Taliban the counter insurgents. My point is that we are foreign force fighting the locals, no matter how despicable the Taliban’s world view. Young Pashtuns are joining and swelling Taliban number because of lack of education and economic opportunities. Bombing them will not bring them into the mainstream, economic opportunities will. The real enemy is Al-Qaeda and US should join forces with Afghanistan & Pakistan to root them out for good rather than fie missiles at locals and turn them against us.

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  15. KathleenG says:

    Don S
    Amazing that we are looking to Spain’s justice system to hold Bush administration officials accountable. Obama “no one is above the law”
    Holder “no one is above the law”
    Leahey “no one is above the law”
    Whitehouse”no one is above the law”
    Feinstein”no one is above the law”
    Pelosi”no one is above the law”
    The peasants out here know this claim is absolute hogwash.

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  16. Kathlee G says:

    Don S I was so surprised by Canada’s block of George Galloway. One of my heroes. The reeming he gave Former Senator Coleman a few years back is one of the best truth telling I have ever witnessed in my life

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  17. Kathleen G says:

    POA totally agree with you on your take of Maddow. If she and Olbermann truely control the content of their programs (which I do not believe) then their unwillingness to have Charles Freeman on during the weeks of discussion, debate, petitions being sent to White House in support of Freeman demonstrates their own biases or I am not sure just what.
    One good thing is that Juan Cole sure has been making the rounds this past several weeks. Over at FDL for a Salon, here, Diane Rehm show, Maddow I am sure elsewhere.
    Although on the Diane Rehm show just like on the Maddow show (and show it is) not once were any questions asked about the role the I lobby or Israel plays in regard to Iran. The screener at the Diane Rehm show (who is generally fair in allowing callers to make it through with diverse questions and opinions) allowed seven callers through who ripped into Juan Cole’s take on Iran. The screener allowed one caller at the end to come through who was in support of Juan Cole’s strategy. ( I was sending the screener at the Rehm show an email about every five minutes saying o.k. now that was five callers that you let through not in support of Cole 1,2,3,4 ,5 ,6, 7) one in support.
    I go to Juan Cole’s Informed Comment almost everyday . I wish someone would ask him about why the debunked statements about Israel are allowed to be endlessly repeated

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  18. Paul Norheim says:

    “Sudan has sent islamic militiamen into Chad, Ethiopia & Egypt.” (Springer)
    Well, I happen to be in Addis Abeba right now. The news in this Christian country is sensored. Could you perhaps provide facts regarding how many people those islamic militiamen have killed in Ethiopia during the last, say 10 years – – compared to the amounts of Muslims in Somalia killed by Ethiopian soldiers (aided by USA) during the recent invasion and war in Somalia?

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  19. Springer says:

    I am not a fan of Juan Cole. I think he is an apologist for islamic terror.
    And to answer ‘PissedOffAmerican’ … “can you name an Islamic country that has killed over one million non-combatants, displaced a few million more, invaded two separate sovereign nations, and dispatched drone attack aircraft into a third over the course of the last nine years, all the while maintaining a network of global torture chambers??”
    Well I think I can. Sudan has killed off more than 2 million Christians. Sudan has sent islamic militiamen into Chad, Ethiopia & Egypt. And Sudan has offered them a safe haven. Sudan has sent attack aircraft into Chad. And Sudan still practices slavery and torture. Real torture and not just three or four terrorist for information.

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  20. padraig O'Drennan says:

    I’ve been a fan of Juan Cole for some time and he led me to this site. Good. Even better is reading the offerings of ‘PissedOffAmerican’ … the refreshing scent of truth comforts those sick of the stench of pathological myth-making. There are lots of lies, but the big lie is zionist control of our government … If POA has a blog, I would love to subscribe.

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  21. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Downtown….
    Your article is dated on the sixth. If you get up to date on this, you will discover that the bulk of the aid package was in fact diverted to the West Bank, using Hamas as the excuse for not providing the full 900 million that was originally announced as slated to be used to “rebuild Gaza”.
    Regardless, the scope of the damage in Gaza far surpasses the 900 million, and the 200 million figure that was last touted as going directly to Gaza is a pittance. Frankly, ANY money we send to Gaza should be subtracted from the billions in aid we have promised Israel. On the one hand we subsidize the racist Israeli leadership’s eradication efforts in Gaza by giving these monsters billions of dollars annually, then, to falsely imply a humanitarian gesture, we announce a pittance in aid to rebuild what we just aided Israel in destroying. Of course the media fanfare in announcing the aid to Gaza is a far louder affair then the attention devoted to informing us that the aid was diverted.
    This is what makes this “engagement with the Muslim world” such a laughable topic. Do we really think the “Muslim world” fails to notice this diversion of funds, or doesn’t resent us giving billions to Israel while they continue settlement expansion and saute Palestinian kids in white phosphorous?
    While decrying torture, Obama’s Justice Department protects the torturers. While decrying the actions of the Taliban, and Iran’s legal nuclear program, Obama ignores the war crimes of Israel. After promising peace and disengagement, Obama gives us the opposite.
    We are no longer represented by our government, and globally, WE have become the “Evil Empire”.

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  22. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “If greater Islam and the majority of muslims choose to join the 21st Century, and recognize that the rest of the world is never going to revert the primitive barbarism mysogony, prejudice, biggotry, blind hatred, malignancy, and pathological sociopathic perversions that define jihadism, – then there may be some hope for Islam at large and the majority of muslims to live in peace with the rest of the world”
    Uh, gee Tony, can you name an Islamic country that has killed over one million non-combatants, displaced a few million more, invaded two separate soveriegn nations, and dispatched drone attack aircraft into a third over the course of the last nine years, all the while maintaining a network of global torture chambers??
    Look, Tony, it seems the actions of the United States, and Israel, are just as barbaric as anything you can attribute to the Muslims.
    Tony, who can equal the scale, scope, and volume of the instruments of death that we peddle all over this globe, selling death like a used car salesman on meth?
    To be honest Tony, the ever increasing mania evident in your posts is tunnel visioned, and completely ignores that conflict needs two to tango. And in sheer numbers, the United States is pretty hard to beat if one wants to tally kill statistics, military agression, and barbaric treatment of other human beings.
    Am I defending jihadism? No. But you keep wanting Islam to “join the 21st century”. Whats that mean? Start using cluster muunitions to kill Christians? Figure out a way to contaminate the United States with deadly DU dust? Stop shooting firecrackers at Israelis and use the more modern method of frying them in white phosphorous?
    If I was you Tony, I’d be a bit reluctant about coaxing these people to join the 21st century, or you’re liable to see your family vaporized by a missile fired from a drone aircraft, flown by some pimply faced kid a few thousand miles away. Is that the modern century you want them to join, Tony?
    Personally, I wish all these fucking “leaders”, Christian, Jew, and Muslim, forcing war on thier civilian populations, would ALL regress a coupla centuries, and settle it with machetes and swords. What would have been more entertaining than seeing Dick Cheney and Mullah Omar going after each other with double headed axes? Oops, I forgot, Cheney doesn’t have the balls for it, he’d rather send your kid into the arena to fight the lions.

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  23. downtown says:

    Now we have the sorry spectacle of yet another Israeli infiltrator shamelessly subjugating American contributions to Gazans for her own traitorous tribal affiliations. Can we ever get rid of these slime bags?
    http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/06/rep-shelley-berkley-wants-gaza-aid-held-hostage/

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  24. TonyForesta says:

    Islam and all the earths religions must confront their respective identities.
    Are we human beings, or massmurderers.
    The problem with Islam is that their identity translates directly into thier governments, so the question is more profound for Islam. If there is a peaceful Islam, – where is it? If Islam at large and the majority of muslims globally for whatever reason, choose jihad – then woe to them, – for they will be forever damned and eventually burnt from the face of the earth allah be praised.
    If greater Islam and the majority of muslims choose to join the 21st Century, and recognize that the rest of the world is never going to revert the primitive barbarism mysogony, prejudice, biggotry, blind hatred, malignancy, and pathological sociopathic perversions that define jihadism, – then there may be some hope for Islam at large and the majority of muslims to live in peace with the rest of the world.
    If the majority of muslims and Islam at large willingly choose to support and advance jihadist islam, – their entire populations will rightfully and justifiably burn and be wiped from the face of the earth.
    Jihadist are pathological massmurderers and sexually deviant freaks. No sane society can ever countenance the perverted and primitive depravity and malignancy of jihadist islam. There is no way to reach out to jihadists. All jihadists must burn and be wiped from the face of the earth. Every single one of them!!!
    There is no other way to resolve this conflict.

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  25. TonyForesta says:

    Islam and all the earths religions must confront their respective identities. The problem with Islam is that their identity translates directly into thier governments, so the question is more profound for Islam. If there is a peaceful Islam, – where is it? If Islam at large and the majority of muslims globally for whatever reasons, choose jihad – the woe to them, for they will be forever damned and eventually burnt from the face of the earth. If greater Islam and the majority of muslims can join the 21st Century, recognize that the rest of the world is never going to revert the primitive barbarism mysogony, prejudice, biggotry, blind hatred, and pathological sociopathic perversions that define jihadism, – then there may be some hope for Islam at large and the majority of muslims. Choose the jihadist Islam and the majority of muslims will rightfully and justifiably burn and be wiped from the face of the earth.
    Jihadist are pathological massmurderers and sexually deviant freaks. No sane society can ever countenance the perverted and primitive depravity and malignancy of jihadist islam. There is no way to reach out to jihadists. All jihadists must burn and be wiped from the face of the earth. Every single one of them!!!

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  26. NoMoreWarForIsrael says:

    Listen to Philip Weiss on the Neocons War for Israel agenda:
    Antiwar.com Radio – 2008/07/12
    Antiwar.com Radio – 2009/03/18
    Phil’s piece on the Mearsheimer-Walt paper for The Nation:
    Ferment Over the Israel Lobby
    Phil Weiss on blogging about Zionism:
    http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_06_04/feature.html
    philipweiss.org – blogging daily all things Neocon, Israel Lobby, Zionism

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  27. Mr.Murder says:

    Good news, the economy’s index for manufactured items picked up on sales of fighter aircraft.
    Only we have not really embellished the addition to our own air force. Who else could be buying these fighter planes?
    Israel?

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  28. DonS says:

    For those interested in the idea that the Lobby may have long tentacles here’s an interesting article:
    “British MP George Galloway barred from Canada under the Canada Israel “Public Security” Agreement ”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12913
    Harper government representative just happened to be in Tel Aviv the at the same time (4-08) that Cheney was there. Or maybe it wasn’t the Lobby pushing so much as the Harper government seeking to ingratiate itself further with the Cheney/Bush criminal conspiracy? Or both?
    ———————–
    and for those who aren’t sick enough already of America’s embarrassing footprint across the ME:
    “SPANISH COURT OPENS TORTURE INQUIRY AGAINST GONZALES, ADDINGTON, YOO, OTHERS”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/world/europe/29spain.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
    with a little timely extrapolation from Washington Monthly:
    “I would call this a big deal. As the report notes, Garzon indicted Augusto Pinochet, which led to his arrest and extradition. This would not immediately lead to arrest and trial, but it would certainly confine the six officials to the United States and increase the pressure for stateside investigations. Spanish courts have “universal jurisdiction” over human rights abuses, under a 1985 law, particularly if they can be linked to Spain. ”
    ” . . .The six officials in the inquiry are:
    • former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
    • John Yoo, the Justice Department attorney who authored the infamous “torture memo”
    • Jay Bybee, Yoo’s superior at the Office of Legal Counsel, also involved in the creation of torture memos
    • David Addington, Dick Cheney’s chief of staff and legal adviser
    • Douglas Feith, the former undersecretary of defense for policy
    • William Haynes, the legal counsel at the DoD”
    “This story shows once again the growing global unease with the implicit policy of the United States to conveniently forget the torture and other abuses of the Bush regime. In England, police are investigating whether British intelligence officers knew about and prolonged the torture of Binyam Mohamed, the recently released Guantanamo detainee. As Glenn Greenwald notes, other countries have not abandoned their commitment to the rule of law.”
    Now might this mean that Obama will have some pithy little throwaway lines to use about the Spanish courts, much as he has about the online townhall question about marijuana? Non sequitur, I know, but you can take so much of this crap before you just throw up your hands in disgust.

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  29. DonS says:

    For those interested in the idea that the Lobby may have long tentacles here’s an interesting article:
    “British MP George Galloway barred from Canada under the Canada Israel “Public Security” Agreement ”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12913
    Harper government representative just happened to be in Tel Aviv the at the same time (4-08) that Cheney was there. Or maybe it wasn’t the Lobby pushing so much as the Harper government seeking to ingratiate itself further with the Cheney/Bush criminal conspiracy? Or both?
    ———————–
    and for those who aren’t sick enough already of America’s embarrassing footprint across the ME:
    “SPANISH COURT OPENS TORTURE INQUIRY AGAINST GONZALES, ADDINGTON, YOO, OTHERS”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/world/europe/29spain.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
    with a little timely extrapolation from Washington Monthly:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_03/017494.php
    Now might this mean that Obama will have some pithy little throwaway lines to use about the Spanish courts, much as he has about the online townhall question about marijuana? Non sequitur, I know, but you can take so much of this crap before you just throw up your hands in disgust.

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  30. DonS says:

    For those interested in the idea that the Lobby may have long tentacles here’s an interesting article:
    “British MP George Galloway barred from Canada under the Canada Israel “Public Security” Agreement ”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12913
    Harper government representative just happened to be in Tel Aviv the at the same time (4-08) that Cheney was there. Or maybe it wasn’t the Lobby pushing so much as the Harper government seeking to ingratiate itself further with the Cheney/Bush criminal conspiracy? Or both?
    ———————–
    and for those who aren’t sick enough already of America’s embarrassing footprint across the ME:
    “SPANISH COURT OPENS TORTURE INQUIRY AGAINST GONZALES, ADDINGTON, YOO, OTHERS”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/world/europe/29spain.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
    with a little timely extrapolation from Washington Monthly:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_03/017494.php
    Now might this mean that Obama will have some pithy little throwaway lines to use about the Spanish courts, much as he has about the online townhall question about marijuana? Non sequitur, I know, but you can take so much of this crap before you just throw up your hands in disgust.

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  31. ... says:

    poa – americans political system sold to the highest bidder…. money trumps freedom and democracy… the usa is an oligarchy now…

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  32. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Well….so far, Obama has “engaged the Muslim world” by…
    1)Completely reversing his “plight of the Palestinians” comment after prostrating himself before AIPAC in a speech that might as well have come from Daniel Pipes.
    2)Refusing to seek accountability for a number of Bush Administration crimes that have resulted in the deaths of over one million Iraqi non-combatants, the displacement of millions more, the torture of Muslim prisoners in American custody, the illegal detention of Muslim prisoners in American custody.
    3)The retention of many of the Bush policies on torture, rendition, and evesdropping on private communications.
    4)Having his justice department support Donald Rumsfeld against lawsuits brought by Muslims who have been illegally detained and tortured.
    4)A deafening silence about the Israeli war crimes committed against the Palestinians in Gaza.
    5)Continuing the billions in aid to Israel despite their refusal to roll back or even halt the expansion of the settlements.
    6)Sending drone attack planes into soveriegn Pakistani airspace, reportedly resulting in the deaths of Pakistani non-combatant men, women, and children.
    7)Echoing the exaggerated and dishonest Israeli rhetoric aboutr Iran’s nuclear program, almost verbatim, despite Iran’s LEGAL actions under the NPR treaty.
    8)Diverting millions in aid from the blood soaked and phosphorous singed streets of Gaza to the West Bank, excusing the diversion by blaming Hamas for the latest successful Israeli effort to exterminate more Palestinians.
    9) Staffing the State Department with pro-Israel neocon hawks and zionist collaborators.
    10)Escalating military engagement in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, using the same fear tactic invocation of the “al Qaeda threat” that George Bush and Dick Cheney lied to us about for the last eight years.
    11)Standing mute as a rare voice, Freeman, speaks out against the Israeli policies, and is iviscerated by the Israel lobnby and propaganda machine. Lied about, spat upon, and discarded, while Obama ignored him and threw him under the bus.
    Note, before this piece of shit Obama was elected, I on numerous occassions stated that I believed he was fraud, a trojan horse backed by the same powers that put the pathetic George Bush, and the satanic Dick Cheney in power.
    After all, Obama was created and marketed by the same media machine that greased the ways for the criminal acts of the Bush Administration, from the theft of two elections, to the cover-up of the true nature of the 9-11 attacks, to the invasion of Iraq. Obama is proving me right. Running on a platform of peace, the lying piece of shit is escalating our military adventure in the Middle East, ignoring Israeli war crimes, maintaining a combat presence in Iraq, and staffing his cabinet with zionists, neocons, defense industry insiders, lobbyists, and Bush loyalists.
    America was conned. This guy is every bit as dangerous as George Bush and Dick Cheney. Maybe more so.

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  33. ... says:

    i think bombing israel would be a good place to start… apparently that is what elliot abrams is suggesting on iran, so i thought i would throw out an equally compelling idea…

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  34. Don Bacon says:

    What Ajaz has described is that the US military are the insurgents who have overthrown the Afghanistan government, and the Taliban are the counter-insurgents. Insurgents generally lose because they are not fighting for their own country as the CI’s are.
    Think Vietnam, as Ajaz says. Incidentally, communist Vietnam is now a key US ally. They have few hard feelings about the millions the US killed, and the 54,000 dead GI’s, average age 19, are only a distant memory.

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  35. Syed Qamar Afzal Rizvi says:

    The Jaun Cole philosophy of rapprochement between the West and the Muslim world is a true reflection of exigent political correctitude/realism in the present times.

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  36. JohnH says:

    Juan Cole is a rare breed–a foreign policy expert with integrity. He is not afraid to call a spade a spade. He is not one for dancing about invoking “vital strategic interests,” freedom and democracy, and other noble rhetoric as a cover for empire, hegemony, and American exceptionalism. And he has paid dearly for his honesty, being denied a chair at Yale by the usual suspects, the same McCarthyite crew that denied Freeman a job.
    It’s encouraging when people like Cole get to speak out and share their worldview on the book circuit. Let’s hope the book does extremely well.

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  37. Ajaz says:

    U. S. Policy is Flawed in Afghanistan
    President Obama’s new policy on Afghanistan and Pakistan is seriously flawed and sending more American and Nato troops is fraught with danger.
    The question is, who is the U.S. fighting in Afghanistan, the Afghan people? How can a foreign force fight the locals and on what basis – they are fundamentalist fanatics? But aren’t there fundamentalist fanatics around the world including the U.S.? If the U.S. is fighting Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, didn’t the U.S. have ample opportunity to eliminate them in the past. According to some of the members of CIA’s advanced team of operatives (well documented on CNN) they had Osama bin Ladin within sights at Tora Bora even before the Afghan invasion started but Donald Rumsfeld refused to order air raids! Perhaps OBL was needed alive to provide a reason for Iraq invasion.
    There is no doubt that Taliban are extremist religious fanatics who wish to impose their archaic view of Islam over Afghanistan. There is also no doubt that this extreme view of religion is rejected by a vast majority of 1.3 billion Muslims around the world. But Taliban have never attacked the U.S. forces until they invaded Afghanistan, so why is the U.S. fighting them and to what end? If the purpose is to bring Taliban into mainstream fold so they moderate their views and become a useful member of the society, bombing and killing them is not going to accomplish the objective.
    It is important to understand the ethnic mix of Afghans which is comprised of Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, Shias and the majority Pashtuns. All of the Taliban come from majority Pashtun tribes. Pashtuns straddle across the Pakistan border in Baluchistan and North West Frontier province. The ties between Pashtun tribes go back thousands of years and artificial borders are meaningless to them. In its invasion of Afghanistan, the U.S. was misled by the Northern Alliance (comprising minority non-Pashtun groups) that Taliban is the enemy. Though Hamid Karzai is a Pashtun, but minority non-Pashtuns have held sway over the Afghan Government ever since the U.S. invasion. This has caused a massive backlash amongst Pashtuns who feel they are being deprived of their fair right by the U.S. and its allies. As a result they support and finance the Taliban because they feel they are fighting their battle.
    Some brilliant minds in Rumsfeld’s Pentagon and the CIA also exacerbated the problem by allowing Afghans to re cultivate poppy, which was completely eradicated by previous Taliban Government. The thinking perhaps was that if Afghans are happy with their cash crop, they will not attack U.S. and Nato forces. But guess what, the cash from poppy crops is flowing into the hands of Taliban with which they are buying weapons to kill U.S. and Nato soldiers.
    The solution of Afghanistan does not lie in war, drone attacks or in killing Taliban. Didn’t the Soviet Union try this already with a much larger and a more equipped force and failed miserable at it? If the U.S. continues to follow this course, the outcome will be no different. In addition, U.S. drone attacks on Pakistan border areas are radicalizing the Pashtun belt to such an extent that they are becoming a menace to the Pakistan Government to the extent of destabilizing Pakistan. Many in Pakistan believe that sooner or later U.S. will walk away from Afghanistan and leave this enormous problem in their lap, just as it did after the withdrawal of Soviet forces leaving a destabilized Afghanistan in Pakistan’s lap.
    What Afghanistan needs is peace and security and that will be achieved by dialogue. Pashtuns need a fair share of power and Taliban need to be brought to the negotiating table. A Government of national unity needs to be formed in Afghanistan and foreign troops need to leave soon thereafter. Foreign troops are the main cause of fighting, Pashtuns & Taliban look at them as foreign invaders just as they did the Soviet troops. Only the United Nations troops should be stationed in Afghanistan to ensure stability and peace between various tribes.
    Afghanistan has been at war since 1979 and it is time to stop. Both Afghanistan and Pakistan need peace. The drone attacks on Pakistan have accomplished absolutely nothing (regardless of Pentagon’s convoluted claims) except for killing poor villagers in the border areas.
    What is needed is a massive development effort. A ‘Marshall’ type plan to pull out Afghanistan and Pakistan’s frontier region from the 15th century to the present can bring enormous benefits and change the mindset of the people in that region. Continuation of present policy of more troops and more war will only turn Afghanistan into another Vietnam for President Obama. One hopes he has the foresight not to fall into that trap.

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  38. PissedOffAmerican says:

    It strikes me as somewhat surreal watching Maddow host someone like Juan Cole, while completely avoiding covering anything that might cast Israel in a less than favorable light.
    How can Maddow expect to be taken seriously when she invites Cole to discuss “engaging the Muslim World” when she ignores one of the key factors that influences that “engagement”; namely, our relationship with Israel, and the influence Israel, (and, of course, the pro-Israel lobby machine) has on the “tone” of this “engagement”.
    I find it damned near impossible to pay any attention to any time Maddow pays to the Middle East, because her refusal to insert Israel into the discussion telegraphs a bias, or at the very least a dictated and controlled content that renders her less than credible. Her complete avoidance of the Freeman castration was more than disappointing, and the fact that she has not made one mention of Tristan Anderson has robbed me of the respect I once had for her. It doesn’t matter how many Juan Cole or Jonathan Turley interviews she does. If she does not include Israel in her commentary about Middle Eastern affairs, than she shows herself to be just one more bought and paid for media whore.

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