Guest Post by Alexandra Taylor: Hezbollah Remains Strong in Southern Lebanon

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Hezbollah_Rockets.jpgAlexandra Taylor is a Research Intern with the New America Foundation.
The rocket fire from a southern Lebanese village into Israel a little over a week ago by a relatively unknown militant group, the Ziad Jarrah Division of the Abdullah Azzam Brigade, is the most recent reminder of the tenuous peace across the Blue Line.
Hezbollah quickly denied any responsibility for the rocket attack, a fact that some have taken to indicate that Hezbollah does not exert as much control over its territory as previously believed. World Politics Review columnist, Frida Ghitis, also warns of a growing competition between Hezbollah and Al Qaeda elements in Lebanon, emphasizing that the implications of the recent attack are to “undercut the perception that Hezbollah is the only real power in southern Lebanon.”
Yet it is premature to claim Hezbollah has lost control of its territory. Instability and a lack of external control are not new and, rather, characterize Palestinian camps in Lebanon.
In October 2007, violence broke out between militants from Fatah al-Islam and the Lebanese Armed Forces in the Nahr al-Bared Refugee Camp north of Tripoli. And since the end of hostilities in 2006, there have been sporadic rockets fired at Israel from Hezbollah’s territory within Lebanon; these incidents have mainly been attributed to Palestinian militant groups, especially during Israel’s operation in Gaza last winter.
According to this 2009 International Crisis Group report: “Lebanon’s weak central state, combined with the camp’s institutional, security and political vacuum,” created conditions that have allowed the camps to serve as both “a safe haven for fugitives and a travel agency for jihadi volunteers.”
Indeed, these attacks are isolated incidents, and do not represent an erosion of Hezbollah’s power. The power relationship between Hezbollah and these actors better resembles the situation in Gaza between Salafist groups and Hamas.
An important indication of Hezbollah’s undiminished status is actually the Israeli response to last Friday’s events. Israel returned fire, but hostilities did not escalate further despite Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s statements that Israel would hold the Lebanese government as a whole responsible for any aggression originating from Lebanese territory. This shows that small militant groups, such as the Ziad Jarrah Division, do not alone have the power to provoke Israel and Lebanon into a war.
We should not assume that Hezbollah’s power is diminishing just because they neither launched nor prevented the rocket attack. Reportedly, Hezbollah’s weapons caches and capabilities are only growing. Hezbollah’s ability to flout the arms ban established by Resolution 1701, despite the efforts of UNIFIL, indicates that Hezbollah retains firm control of the south.
The role of Hezbollah is still crucial, especially against the backdrop of a governance crisis in Lebanon. As the Council on Foreign Relation’s Mohamad Bazzi argues in a recent article, the inability of PM designate (yet again) Saad Hariri to overcome wrangling with opposition leaders and form a government since the June elections reveals the opposite problem: the existence of a Hezbollah “shadow government.” Bazzi writes that, “This political vacuum gives Hezbollah free rein to continue building up its military and escalating its rhetoric of war. In the absence of a strong central state, Hezbollah will remain the most powerful force in Lebanon — and its weapons will guarantee its dominance.”
— Alexandra Taylor

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65 comments on “Guest Post by Alexandra Taylor: Hezbollah Remains Strong in Southern Lebanon

  1. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Oh, Hamas says that “everybody who died was a civilian”???? I musta missed that.
    I missed noticing that “no one is being deprived of medical care” and that “no one is going hungry in gaza” too.
    In fact, Nadine has a remarkably noticeable and volumnous record of “truths” that seem to have been plucked out of some sort of weird alternate reality.
    Anyone else find it ironic when this piece of racist garbage Nadine says things like “It is beyond belief that such people purporting to be rational and liberal accept obvious propaganda at face value because it supports their prejudices”.

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  2. arthurdecco says:

    I didn’t attack you, Paul – I DESCRIBED you.
    For you to equate me with the despicable Nadine just reinforces how accurate my description of you was.
    Incidentally, I’ve publicly agreed with you many times, Paul. What made it necessary to lie about that I wonder?
    Now I really am done with you.

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  3. Paul Norheim says:

    When both arthurdecco and Nadine attack me, I KNOW
    I`m on the right track. If any of them had
    supported my point of view on any issue (it hasn`t
    happened yet), I`d certainly get a bit worried.

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  4. A2 says:

    That is not a real rocket launcher. It is a fake.

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  5. nadine says:

    Sure Paul, Hamas says that everybody who died was a civilian and there were no military troops or ammo in those mosques, apartments or hospitals, and we know that Hamas would never ever lie, don’t we? They have such an unblemished record of truth.
    And those 12,000 rockets into Israel, they didn’t exist either. Hamas says they didn’t do it, right?
    It is beyond belief that such people purporting to be rational and liberal accept obvious propaganda at face value because it supports their prejudices.

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  6. Paul Norheim says:

    JamesL,
    I enjoy reading your comments. I think I was 20 when the massacres in
    Lebanon took place, and it completely changed my view of Israel as well. I`m
    sure there are countless of 20 years old people around the world, who got
    the same kind of shock during the slaughtering of civilians in Gaza last
    winter.

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  7. Paul Norheim says:

    “Even Wig Wag at times brings more value to the conversation than you do.”
    I agree, Arthur – at times he does. And he almost always brings more value to the
    conversation than you do.
    Now, there was an interesting discussion on a thread below, about whether Obama wants
    sanctions against Iran, Russia`s position on this, the connection to the missile defense
    system in Eastern Europe, to the Israeli/Palestine conflict etc.
    I didn`t see you there, Arthur. A military attack on Iran, possibly escalating to WWIII?
    Or a severe economic sanctions regime? One of the most important issues right now – and
    no Arthur participating.
    Of course I wasn`t surprised. Except for rants against the planetary Zionist conspiracy,
    you expertise is in the ad hominem department. The dishonesty, pompousness, and serial
    lying of fellow commenters. So how could you possibly contribute to a discussion that
    went beyond the ad hominem level, that actually focused on the issues, and not on the
    commenters? How could you possibly contribute to a discussion that had several other
    important aspects, in addition to Zionism?
    And this is probably the reason why the regular anti-zionists here were absent from that
    discussion. As it gets more and more likely that Obama wants severe sanctions against
    Iran, and that Israel accepts this, none of you can continue to blame the zionists for
    starting WWIII.
    I agree that if this escalated to a war, the Zionists would certainly have a huge
    responsibility for such a nightmare. But when this option seems to be delayed, I guess
    the sanctions and the relations to Russia are of no interest to you, because it doesn`t
    give you that hysterical Armageddon kick that the prospect of WWIII would do.

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  8. nadine says:

    OA, I understand. France can exist as French state, Germany as a German state, Pakistan as a Muslim state, 22 Arab states as Arab states, Palestine as an Arab state. It’s only Israel that should not exist as a Jewish state.
    Everybody else deserves a home and a nation, but the Jews. Certainly not in their ancestral homeland. The Palestinian attachment to Palestine counts even though their nationality was invented 50 years ago. The Jews have only been around for 3500 years, so their attachment to Israel is racism.
    And you are a Jew hater, plain and simple. Why don’t you just admit it?

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  9. ... says:

    i enjoy reading paul norheims perspective which he shares with us here.. i also happen to share some of it as well as in this particular example… hopefully you aren’t reading me anymore either!
    i like that saying ‘don’t take life too seriously’.. no one gets out alive.’

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  10. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “With all due respect, I disagree: It`s certainly not “relevant to just about all issues
    raised here”, unless you regard Zionism as the main culprit in everything happening on
    the planet”
    Once, in 2006, my septic tank needed a pump out. And in 1980, Mt. St Helens blew, and dusted the Pacific Northwest with ash. I suspect the zionists were behind both events, but since I can’t prove it, I rarely raise the accusation.
    But if they don’t quit emptying my hummingbird feeder, I’m gonna stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.

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  11. arthurdecco says:

    “Give Norheim a break: he’s trying to master his 8th language and we’re his test rats.” Outraged American
    It’s not his language that irritates me, OA – it’s his sanctimonious sermonizing Attitude.

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  12. Outraged American says:

    Give Norheim a break: he’s trying to master his 8th language
    and we’re his test rats.
    I don’t know any words of Norwegian beyond what Paul has
    taught me. And I can’t even remember those, except that it’s
    obvious given the similarity between Norwegian and Yiddish it
    means that Ashkenazi Jews have overrun Norway and are holding
    Paul hostage, and are threatening to bris him if he doesn’t tell us
    all to shut-up about the Zionist influence in the US.
    And on that note, from a completely unreliable website, here’s
    an article on the Zionist influence in the media.
    I wouldn’t have taken this seriously if I hadn’t lived it — again I
    can tell you stories about Hollywood until the sun comes up on
    the day after election day in 2012, when we will have our first
    female president, the Barracuda, who knows what side her
    matzo is buttered. Not kosher, but she won’t care nor will the
    Zionist who make sure she’s elected.
    Do The Jews Own Hollywood
    And The Media?
    http://www.rense.com/general85/ownh.htm

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  13. arthurdecco says:

    Mr. Norheim, the only solution I can see to your self-proclaimed, supposedly intractable “problem” is for you to stop reading the comments at TWN. Keep reading the original posts by all means, but perhaps its time for you to stop reading (and commenting on) the comments if they “bore” you so much.
    Because your incessant, tiresome whining and immature and unreasonable guilt-tripping aren’t going to prevent those of us who have no trouble seeing the evidence of Zionism’s always-escalating intransigence and murderous, racist belligerence, (a murderous, racist belligerence that is allowed to continue unabated because it takes place from behind the secure wall of corrupted American Military Might the majority of the commenters here are sensitive and intelligent enough to acknowledge), from pointing out the FACT that Zionism’s collective insanity poses a very real threat to the entire World’s stability and security.
    Have you already forgotten Sharon’s admonishment to members of his cabinet on October 3, 2001?!?
    “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA, AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT!”
    So…From me to U – take a friggin’ hike with your attempts to STEER THE CONVERSATION into those swamp gas-farting conversational back alleys that permit you to preen and sheen at our expense and at the Expense of the Truth.
    Face it – WE’RE not Boring.
    It is YOUR bloated and heavy-handed Conceit that is boring. It is YOUR refusal to acknowledge Zionism’s suffocating stranglehold on most of the West that is boring. It is YOUR fondness for quoting YOURSELF as if YOU were a Sage that is boring. It is YOUR self-appointed position as OUR conversation’s arbiter that is Boring.
    Find a new hobby to puff up your lacklustre chest feathers, will ya?
    I, like Carroll, will never read another word you type from this moment forward – you’re an insufferably pompous and unimaginative scold who has trapped himself in his own self-congratulating demon den of denial. And while I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt innumerable times before, those days are now officially OVER.
    Because there’s NOTHING more boring than the view from the corner you’ve painted yourself into. Even Wig Wag at times brings more value to the conversation than you do.
    Consider how pathetic that is as an epitaph.

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  14. Outraged American says:

    Israel should not exist as a Jewish state, plain and simple. To
    compare the Partition of India and Pakistan to what happened in
    The Holy Land really takes chuztpah.
    While both the after-effects of outrageous colonialism, wherein
    the Burra Sahibs (prominent white men) decided what would
    happen to the natives, India and Pakistan did not have this
    sudden influx of non-natives (Ashkenazi Jews) attempting very
    successfully to drive the natives out and/or slaughter them.
    With glee.
    India, the original India, would have been better as one state and
    mature, maybe. The Indians/ Pakistanis seriously are a bunch of
    squabbling five-year-olds locked into a subcontinent. If the
    British hadn’t screwed everything up, as they tend to do
    magnificently, they might have put aside those artificially
    planted religious differences between Hindus and Muslims.
    They are different, obviously, but Hindus do seem to accept
    other religious idealogies.
    I have never seen as many pictures of the Virgin Mary, not even
    in Rome, as I saw in cabs in Delhi.
    Whatever losers who want to stay in Israel after she’s forced to
    become one state will have to do the same, and it is increasingly
    obvious that it would be healthier for the entire world if Israel
    becomes one state.
    If there’s one thing good about the US, beyond that we HAD a
    Bill of Rights, is that we have, in the last few decades attempted
    to teach the kids racial and religious tolerance. That’s what I
    grew-up with.
    Israel is by definition a Jewish state. And beyond that we here in
    the US fund her non-stop aggression at the cost of endless
    blood and treasure. Israel’s a vampire.
    So I would suggest Nadine, that you take your arguments to
    people whom you might sway, like people who think Sarah Palin
    has a shot (pun intended) at 2012.
    Palin’s sex appeal will be gone by then, and she’ll look like the
    old can of open dog food I just realized I left outside for three
    months.
    Not saying that wimmin should be taken seriously for what
    comes out of their mouths, they shouldn’t. I’m just saying that
    all The Moose Hunter has going for her is her Caribou Barbie
    look, and while I, the same age as her, save my pennies for a
    face lift, I think if she wants a shot (pun again intended) at
    being the President of the US, she better get one the minute her
    jaw starts sagging. And an eyelift. And a tummy tuck. And
    whatever they do down there, because she’s going to have to
    keep the Sledder firmly in line as First Dude.
    It would be so insanely ironic if we got Palin in 2012. It would
    prove that the world is really a Sims game run by some version
    of a pimply adolescent at the edge of the universe, which has
    long been my contention.

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  15. nadine says:

    “If I had a neighbor who constantly was mean and aggressive, whose child threw rocks and broke my windows, who cursed my wife, I would not continue to give him the benefit of doubt”
    How about if you had a neighbor who swore to exterminate you, and had tried to do so five or six times? Would you give him the benefit of the doubt?
    This is a revision of history where all the wars the Arabs started and lost, all the peace treaties they refused to negotiate, all the thousands of terror attacks they paid for and perpetrated, simply vanish from history. Gone. (This is like Chomsky’s history of the Cold War where he makes the US out to be a very nasty place indeed by the simple expedient of air-brushing the USSR out of the picture.)
    Israel is only the focus of anything in the Middle East because the Arabs have made it the focus of everything. It is the Arabs who refused to recognize it, make peace, and get on with their lives. They’d sooner obsess over it for seventy years even if they have to destroy their own political and economic development to do so. If you know anything about the events of 1947 – 49, just ask yourself what history might look like if the British had been able to mediate a peace settlement after the Israeli War of Independence with an exchange of populations, just as the did during the same period for India and Pakistan (on a scale over 20 times larger). They tried to do for Israel/Palestine too. The Arabs wouldn’t have it.

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  16. samuelburke says:

    and as for me paul…i used to once upon a time send money to israel christian funds for the famous aliyas…i used to believe the myth until the george bush administration started attacking the muslims countries and the revelations about the famous neocons started to surface into my world and after years of learning i find myself in this place.
    good luck to you but i cant wait for the day when the rest of america wakes up and discovers the enemy that israel has been to america.

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  17. Outraged American says:

    Israel’s sense of exceptionalism is profound. One soldier gives
    Israel the “right” to destroy the Gaza Strip. Two jeeps that
    crossed over what is really a Thin Blue Line into another
    obviously hostile country given how many times Israel had
    invaded her, gives her the “right” to destroy Lebanon.
    It’s not that I’m excusing my own country (s) — conglomerate of
    lunatics and buffoons. And that’s just Congress and India’s Lok
    Sahba. But it did take the false flag deaths of approx. 3000
    people, not just 5 and one POW to get the US to destroy two
    other countries with a third and possibly forth on the way to
    hell.
    And this new revelation of Iran’s secret nuclear plant -they
    supposedly can read a license plate from space and yet they
    expect us to believe that they “suddenly” found an Iranian
    nuclear plant? What a “load of rot” — I like that one so I’m
    going to keep using it.
    Paul, what’s considered “funny” is often cultural. For instance, I
    once asked a Fijian man in Fiji if those were two coconuts
    hanging out of his swimsuit. He did have a spear in his hand
    and given Fijians propensity to eat human flesh (“fleisch” in
    Yiddish) I should have just fondled them.
    Paul, my state is trying to sell our capitol buildings. Our US
    economy is collapsing and we are facing economic Armegeddon
    if China and Japan refuse to buy our debt.
    And yet we might launch yet another war for Israel, and it would
    involve China given her massive investment in Iran’s oil fields.
    This issue is, or should be, the # 1 priority for Americans. And
    for the whole world.
    US May Face ‘Armageddon’ If China, Japan Don’t Buy Debt
    The US is too dependent on Japan and China buying up the
    country’s debt and could face severe economic problems if that
    stops, Tiger Management founder and chairman Julian
    Robertson told CNBC.
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/33004753

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  18. JamesL says:

    Forgot to mention that the mean neighbor thinks God has chosen him as His personal top-dog human, and that he shares a suicide complex with his other next door neighbor who has been stockpiling nuclear waste and has 10,000 tons of dynamite in his basement.

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  19. JamesL says:

    Paul Norheim: “Do you guys never see anything in a new and slightly surprising light?”
    Yes I do. For most of my life I saw Israel as a good country. The new and surprising light for me probably came after details came out on one of the Lebanon massacres, facilitated by Israelis, that Israel wasn’t all good, and I began paying more attention to the things they were doing. The needless carpet of cluster bombs on south Lebanon, and Israel’s refusal to be responsible internationally about its nuclear weapons (Weapons of Mass Destruction) program were just two other benchmarks.
    If I had a neighbor who constantly was mean and aggressive, whose child threw rocks and broke my windows, who cursed my wife, I would not continue to give him the benefit of doubt. If I knew he had fifty machine guns, a hundred thousand rounds of ammunition, and three tons of dynamite in his basement I would regard him with alarm. If I was a farmer and he cut down my trees, drove over my vegetable garden, and intentionally burned down my house one night, that I would be angry is hardly unreasonable. Israel has made itself THE issue in the mid east. I didn’t do it. I know there are Israelis who are horrified that their government and loud portions of Israel’s population drive Israeli policy,and I empathize with their horror. I would love to see change there, but I don’t see any. Israel is a VERY dangerous country, a country that acts like a little bully only because its big, muscular, and not-too-bright friend, the US is standing right behind it. I’d love to think something good about Israel, but at this point it’s going to have to SHOW ME.

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  20. Paul Norheim says:

    “So yes, Paul, Zionism, Israel, AIPAC, Sibel Edmonds assertions and testimony, neo-
    conservatism, and the PNAC with its multiple dual citizenship members are ALL relevent to
    just about ALL the issues raised here on TWN.”
    With all due respect, I disagree: It`s certainly not “relevant to just about all issues
    raised here”, unless you regard Zionism as the main culprit in everything happening on
    the planet.
    But POA, even when you write comment Nr.8, 28, or even 10.0028 about the same damned
    subject, at least you`re inventive language wise. And I admit that Outraged is often
    funny, as well. But I find people who show no character, no wit, no surprises in how they
    write their 100th post making the same damned anti zionist point in the same indifferent
    language – well, I find them intolerable, extremely boring and reductive on all levels.
    Do you guys never see anything in a new and slightly surprising light?
    Or do you perceive a new perspective as a distraction to your permanent focus on the
    Zionist threat?
    Hey, aren`t most of the readers and commenters here now aware of the fact that Israel and
    AIPAC have way too much influence on US ME policies (YES THEY DO, QUESTIONS!): that the
    Israeli abuses are paid with your tax money, and that Outraged can`t have his regular
    swim in the pool because of the damned Zionists?
    I`m sick of it. Please surprise us once in a while.

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  21. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Paul, it might do well to remind yourself that this is a thread about Lebanon/Israel. And the majority of the issues raised here on TWN connect, dovetail, and are pertinent to the Middle East. We aren’t fighting wars, inciting wars, and advocating wars on Mars, the moon, or Tahiti.
    So yes, Paul, Zionism, Israel, AIPAC, Sibel Edmonds assertions and testimony, neo-conservatism, and the PNAC with its multiple dual citizenship members are ALL relevent to just about ALL the issues raised here on TWN.
    And now, if Sibel’s testimony, assertions, and accusations can be given ANY credibility at all, the zionist agenda is interwoven into ALL the topics raised here about foreign policy, because there is NOT ONE SINGLE ASPECT of our foreign policy, GLOBALLY, that we can trust is being driven by national interest and security, rather than covert coercion, bribery, threat, or blackmail. And Israel seems to be right in the thick of it, if only a small portion of Sibel’s accusations and testimony are to be believed.
    So yeah, you bet some of us are going to continue to rail against Israel and the zionist agenda. To my way of thinkinjg, if in fact radical Islam is the biggest threat to our security, Israel is a partner to that threat in as much as that radical Zionism feeds radical Islam, and vice versa. Our lopsided and self destructive policies of encouraging this dynamic is insane, and utterly against this nation’s best interests.

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  22. questions says:

    Paul, you zionist you!
    (insert many many smiley emoticons here.)

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  23. Paul Norheim says:

    Zionism is your pet demon, Sam. How could you possibly survive without the
    permanent presence of the Zionist Crusaders and the state of Israel?
    At least politically, but probably even on an existential level, you wouldn`t have
    a fucking clue who you are if Zionism didn`t exist. Your sense of being an
    American is defined negatively by Zionism, and apparently by nothing else. Some
    regular commenters here, like you, arthurdecco, carroll, outraged, pauline etc…
    spend most of their time at TWN simplifying and distorting the foreign policy
    issues by always blaming zionism for everything that`s wrong on this planet. It
    can`t be so simple – or?
    Some of you have been working for decades exposing the evils of zionism. Fine. I`m
    sure you`ve discovered some interesting stuff in the meanwhile. But there are
    simply too many of you here, blaming zionism 24/7. The result: simplifying every
    issue here by somehow blaming it on the zionists. This is getting more and more
    boring.
    Ladies and gentlemen, regular commenters, some of you are making the comment
    section of this blog dull, poor, mean, aggressive, paranoid, boring and
    predictable, instead of expanding it with surprising, complex or relevant
    perspectives, especially unexpected, unpredictable points. Whatever Steve or
    others write in a post, you come up with the bloody zionists as the culprits in
    the same predictable ways as always.
    Why?
    Why not challenge yourself once in a while – discovering other obstacles, other
    problems on the planet, even a brand new Ahriman or Satan once a year?

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  24. samuelburke says:

    you are forgiven for your ingnorance if it is ignorance you are
    peddling.
    i dont hate zionist crusaders..i dislike their heavey influence over
    my nations government.
    if you hate muslims- and the crusaders hated mulisms….that
    doesnt make you a crusader.
    you breathe air- hitler breathed air- that doesnt make you
    hitler.
    stalin went to the bathroom to relieve himself- you go to the
    bathroom to relieve yourself- that doesnt make you stalin.
    our support for israel in the middle east is The main reason why
    we “the united states of america” are hated by them “the muslim
    resistance”.
    i thnk osama bin laden if he is alive should stay in his part of the
    world….and american zionist ought to pack up and leave for
    their holy land.
    i think the united states of america ought to return to her
    constitutional mandate and have
    peace with all nations…
    peace trade and no enmity.
    israel is not americas friend by no stretch of the imagination
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/576453/posts
    “In “The Case Against Jonathan Pollard,” Seymour M. Hersh
    relates a conversation between the late William J. Casey, then
    CIA director, and one of his station chiefs, a month after
    Pollard’s arrest. When his subordinate asked why the CIA chief
    was ordering stepped-up monitoring of an Israeli delegation on
    a routine visit,
    “‘He asked if I knew anything about the Pollard case,’ the station
    chief recalled, and he said that Casey had added, ‘For your
    information, the Israelis used Pollard to obtain our attack plan
    against the USSR, all of it. The coordinates, the firing locations,
    the sequences. And for guess who? The Soviets.’ Casey had then
    explained that the Israelis had traded the Pollard data for Soviet
    émigrés. ‘How’s that for cheating?’ he had asked.”
    whats there to like for us as america about israel?

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  25. JamesL says:

    Many posts lately heavy with the groans of people being jumped on. Must be a particularly virulent equinox this year.
    Paul N, Sam’s post to which you refer seems unambiguous to me, though the target commentor was less than clear. I don’t need to even know if Sam’s a swimmer. OBL (dead or alive) (aren’t you glad Rummy’s finally GONE?) has been consistent in his statements, much more than Bush the Smaller ever was. OBL objects to the US because of its actions. Mr. Sam simply notes that US actions have traditionally managed to create more enemies than friends, and those actions originate via the manipulation of US foreign policy by Israel.

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  26. Paul Norheim says:

    samuelburke,
    forgive me if I`m ignorant on your political positions and world view.
    However, I just have to ask you: Do you frequently visit the same
    swimming pool as Osama bin Laden and al Zawahiri?
    Sure, I`ve also noticed that bin Laden has some astute observations.
    However, do you see no reason to distance yourself from certain aspects
    of his war against the Zionist-Crusaders, his language, tactics, and
    goals?
    I see the similarities, Sam:
    You hate the Zionist-Crusaders,
    Osama hates the Zionist-Crusaders.
    So where specifically does your world view differ from the world view
    of Osama bin Laden?

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  27. samuelburke says:

    they hate us because we support the zionists, not because we are americans and “free”.
    for you zionist nutcakes on here who love to support the aparteid state of israel please remember that one day we the people here in america will throw off the yoke of your bellicose ways and vote in americans who respect our constitutional republic and get back our constitutional democracy… maybe you can go back to yerushalaim this year and stop waiting for the next year…what we want in america is for people who value our nation and honor our constitution, we dont want the muslims declaring war on us simply because of our unbridled support for your wayward inhuman ways.
    osama clearly told the world why they wanted us “the u.s out of the middle east.
    here is the website where you can read his declaration.
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
    “It should not be hidden from you that the people of Islam had suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist-Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. The horrifying pictures of the massacre of Qana, in Lebanon are still fresh in our memory. Massacres in Tajakestan, Burma, Cashmere, Assam, Philippine, Fatani, Ogadin, Somalia, Erithria, Chechnia and in Bosnia-Herzegovina took place, massacres that send shivers in the body and shake the conscience. All of this and the world watch and hear, and not only didn’t respond to these atrocities, but also with a clear conspiracy between the USA and its’ allies and under the cover of the iniquitous United Nations, the dispossessed people were even prevented from obtaining arms to defend themselves.
    The people of Islam awakened and realized that they are the main target for the aggression of the Zionist-Crusaders alliance. All false claims and propaganda about “Human Rights” were hammered down and exposed by the massacres that took place against the Muslims in every part of the world.”

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  28. nadine says:

    “”When Arabs kill each other, no story”
    And we aren’t supposed to call you a racist?”
    No, POS, you are supposed to call the MEDIA a racist, that doesn’t give a damn about Arab deaths, so long as other Arabs kill them. If you don’t care about the victims unless they are killed by the “right” people THEN YOU DON’T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE VICTIMS. Get it?

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  29. ... says:

    you would never read about a western leader saying something like this:
    “Because of all these reasons most nations including the people of the Untied States are waiting for real and profound changes. They have welcomed and will continue to welcome changes. How can one imagine that the inhuman policies in Palestine may continue; to force the entire population of a country out of their homeland for more than 60 years by resorting to force and coercion; to attack them with all types of arms and even prohibited weapons; to deny them of their legitimate right of self-defense, while much to the chagrin of the international community calling the occupiers as the peace lovers, and portraying the victims as terrorists. How can the crimes of the occupiers against defenseless women and children and destruction of their homes, farms, hospitals and schools be supported unconditionally by certain governments, and at the same time, the oppressed men and women be subject to genocide and heaviest economic blockade being denied of their basic needs, food, water and medicine.
    They are not even allowed to rebuild their homes which were destroyed during the 22-day barbaric attacks by the Zionist regime while the winter is approaching. Whereas the aggressors and their supporters deceitfully continue their rhetoric in defense of human rights in order to put others under pressure. It is no longer acceptable that a small minority would dominate the politics, economy and culture of major parts of the world by its complicated networks, and establish a new form of slavery, and harm the reputation of other nations, even European nations and the U.S., to attain its racist ambitions.”

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  30. easy e says:

    Off topic (but maybe not):
    The following Ahmadinejad transcript does not appear to have been edited/distorted by MEMRI.
    * * * * * * *
    Transcript: AHMADINEJAD SPEECH AT THE UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY – Sept. 23, 2009
    By President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
    “In the ‘Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, Praise Be to Allah, the Lord of the “Universe, and peace and blessing be upon our Master and (prophet, Mohammad, and his pure ‘Household, and his noble Companions” “Oh, god, hasten the arrival of Imam fit- Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those who attest to his rightfulness”
    Mr. (President, (Excellencies, Ladies and (gentlemen, I thank the Almighty God for granting me, once more, this opportunity to address this important international meeting. I wish to begin by congratulating you, Mr. President, for having assumed the presidency of the 64th Session of the UN General Assembly and wish you all the success.
    I also extend my thanks to H.E. Mr. Miguel d’Escoto Brockmann, President of the 63rd Session of the General Assembly, for his excellent stewardship of the work of the General Assembly during his term. Over the past four years I have talked to you concerning the main challenges facing our world. I have talked about the roots and underlying causes of these challenges and the need for the world powers to review their outlook and workout new mechanisms to address the pressing international problems.
    I have talked about the two conflicting outlooks prevailing in our world; one that is based on the predominance of its materialistic interests through spreading inequality and oppression, poverty and deprivation, aggression, occupation and deception, and tends to bring the entire world under its control and impose its will on other nations. This outlook has produced nothing but frustration, disappointment and a dark future for the entire humanity.
    The other outlook is the one that spouses with the belief in the oneness of the Almighty God, follows the teaching of His messengers, respects human dignity and seeks to build a secure world for all members of the human community, in which everybody can equally enjoy the blessings of sustainable peace and spirituality. The latter is an outlook that respects all human beings, nations, and valuable cultures in defiance of all types of discrimination in the world, and commits itself into a constant fight to promote equality for all before the law on the basis of justice and fraternity, laying a solid foundation to guarantee equal access for all human beings in their quest to excel in knowledge and science. I have laid emphasis time and again on the need to make fundamental changes in the current attitudes towards the world and the human being in order to be able to create a bright tomorrow.
    Friends and Colleagues; Today, I wish to share with you a few points about the changes that should take place. First, Clearly, continuation of the current circumstances in the world is impossible. The present inequitable and unfavorable conditions run counter to the very nature of human kind and move in a direction which contravenes the truth and the goal behind the creation of the world. It is no longer possible to inject thousands of billions of dollars of unreal wealth to the world economy simply by printing worthless paper assets, or transfer inflation as well as social and economic problems to others through creating sever budget deficits. The engine of unbridled capitalism with its unfair system of thought has reached the end of road and is unable to move. The era of capitalist thinking and imposition of one’s thoughts on the international community, intended to predominate the world in the name of globalization and the age of setting up empires is over. It is no longer possible to humiliate nations and impose double standard policies on the world community.
    Approaches in which realization of the interests of certain powers is considered as the only criteria to weigh democracy, and using the ugliest methods of intimidation and deceit under the mantle of freedom as a democratic practice, and approaches through which sometimes dictators are portrayed as democrats, lack legitimacy and must be totally rejected. The time has come to an end for those who define democracy and freedom and set standards whilst they themselves are the first who violate its fundamental principles. They can no longer sit both the judge and the executor and challenge the real democratically- established governments. The awakening of nations and the expansion of freedom worldwide will no longer allow them to continue their hypocrisy and vicious attitudes.
    Because of all these reasons most nations including the people of the Untied States are waiting for real and profound changes. They have welcomed and will continue to welcome changes. How can one imagine that the inhuman policies in Palestine may continue; to force the entire population of a country out of their homeland for more than 60 years by resorting to force and coercion; to attack them with all types of arms and even prohibited weapons; to deny them of their legitimate right of self-defense, while much to the chagrin of the international community calling the occupiers as the peacelovers, and portraying the victims as terrorists. How can the crimes of the occupiers against defenseless women and children and destruction of their homes, farms, hospitals and schools be supported unconditionally by certain governments, and at the same time, the oppressed men and women be subject to genocide and heaviest economic blockade being denied of their basic needs, food, water and medicine.
    They are not even allowed to rebuild their homes which were destroyed during the 22-day barbaric attacks by the Zionist regime while the winter is approaching. Whereas the aggressors and their supporters deceitfully continue their rhetoric in defense of human rights in order to put others under pressure. It is no longer acceptable that a small minority would dominate the politics, economy and culture of major parts of the world by its complicated networks, and establish a new form of slavery, and harm the reputation of other nations, even European nations and the U.S., to attain its racist ambitions.
    It is not acceptable that some who are several thousands of kilometers away from the Middle East would send their troops for military intervention and for spreading war, bloodshed, aggression, terror and intimidation in the whole region while blaming the protests of nations in the region, that are concerned about their fate and their national security, as a move against peace and as interference in others’ affairs. Look at the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    It is no longer possible to bring a country under military occupation in the name of fight against terrorism and drug trafficking while the production of illicit drugs has multiplied, terrorism has widened its dimensions and has tightened its grips, thousands of innocent people have been killed, injured or displaced, infrastructures have been destroyed and regional security has been seriously jeopardized; and those who have created the current disastrous situation continue to blame others. How you can talk about friendship and solidarity with other nations while you expand your military bases in different parts of the world including in Latin America.
    This situation cannot continue. It is all the more impossible to advance expansionist and inhuman policies on the basis of militaristic logic. The logic of coercion and intimidation will produce dire consequences, exacerbating the present global problems. It is not acceptable that the military budget of some governments exceeds far larger than those of the entire countries of the world. They export billions of dollars of arms every year, stockpile chemical and biological weapons, establish military bases or have military presence in other countries while accusing others of militarism, and mobilize all their resources in the world to impede scientific and technological progress of other nations under the pretext of countering arms proliferation.
    It is not acceptable that the United Nations and the Security Council, whose decisions must represent all nations and governments by the application of the most democratic methods in their decision making processes, be dominated by a few governments and serve their interests. In a world where cultures, thoughts and public opinions should be the determining factors, the continuation of the present situation is impossible, and fundamental changes seem to be unavoidable. Second; Any change must be structural and fundamental both in theory and practice, involving all domains of our life.
    The outdated mechanisms which themselves were instrumental in and the root cause for present problems in human societies can never be used to bring changes and create our desired world. Liberalism and capitalism that have alienated human beings from heavenly and moral values will never bring happiness for humanity because they are the main source of all misfortune wars, poverty and deprivation. We have all seen that how the inequitable economic structures controlled by certain political interests have been used to plunder national wealth of countries for the benefit of a group of corrupt business giants.
    The present structures are incapable of reforming the present situation. The political and economic structures created following the World War II that was based on intentions to dominate the world failed to promote justice and lasting security. Rulers whose hearts do not beat for the love of humankind and who sacrificed the spirit of justice in their minds never offer the promise of peace and friendship to humanity.
    By the grace of God, Marxism is gone. It is now history. The expansionist Capitalism will certainly have the same fate. Because based on the divine traditions referred to as a principle in the Holy Quran, the wrong like the bubbles on the surface of water, will disappear. There remains only what that can be used forever towards the interest of human societies. We must all remain vigilant to prevent the pursuit of colonialist, discriminatory and inhuman goals under the cover of the slogans for change and in new formats.
    The world needs to undergo fundamental changes and all must engage collectively to make them happen in the right direction, and through such efforts no one and no government would consider itself an exception to change or superior to others and try to impose its will on others by proclaiming world leadership. All problems existing in our world today emanate from the fact that rulers have distanced themselves from human values, morality and the teachings of divine messengers.
    Regrettably, in the current international relations, selfishness and insatiable greed have taken the place of such humanitarian concepts as love, sacrifice, dignity, and justice. The belief in the One God has been replaced with selfishness. Some have taken the place of God and insist to impose their values and wishes on others. Lies have taken the place of honesty; hypocrisy has replaced integrity and selfishness has taken the place of sacrifice. Deception in interactions is called foresight and statesmanship; looting the wealth of other nations is called development efforts; occupation is introduced as a gift towards promotion of freedom and democracy, and defenseless nations are subjected to repression in the name of defending human rights.
    Friends and Colleagues; Settlement of global problems and administration of justice and maintenance of peace will only be materialized with collective determination and cooperation of all nations and states. The age of polarizing the world on the premises of the hegemony or domination of a few governments is over.
    Today we must rise together in a collective commitment against the present challenges; we must take change seriously and help others through collective work to return to the basic moral and human values. Messengers were sent by God to show the light of the truth to human kind, they came to make people aware of their individual and social obligations.
    Piety, having faith to Allah and its judgment of human behavior or conduct in the next world, belief in the primacy of justice in both lives, seeking one’s happiness, well being and security in the happiness, well-being and security of others, respecting human kind, making efforts to expand love and compassion against hostility were all on top of the teachings offered by the Messengers of God from Adam to Noah, from Noah to Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ and the last one Prophet Mohamamd (PUH).
    All of them came to do something to eliminate war and ignorance, to eradicate poverty and uproot discrimination in order to spread happiness in the entire world. They are the best gifts that God Almighty has granted to human beings. If the belief in Entezar( A waiting patiently for the Imam to return) will turn into a common and we join hands to achieve prosperity for all, then there will be more real and increasing hopes for reform. 5 (fourth; In my opinion, we have several important agendas in front of us.
    The Secretary- General and the UN General Assembly can take the lead by undertaking necessary measures for the fulfillment of our shared goals on the basis of:
    1 – Restructuring the United Nations in order to transform this world body to an efficient and fully democratic organization, capable of playing an impartial, equitable, and effective role in the international relations; reforming the structure of the Security Council, specially by abolishing the discriminatory privilege of veto right; restoration of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people by organizing a referendum and free elections in Palestine in order to prepare a conducive ground for all Palestinian populations, including Muslims, Christians and Jews to live together in peace and harmony; putting an end to all types of interferences in the affairs of Iraq, Afghanistan, Middle East, and in all countries in Africa, Latin America, Asia and Europe. As our great Prophet said, a government may survive with blasphemy, but never with oppression. Oppression against Palestinians and violation of their rights still continue; a new group of Palestinians who lived in al-Qod al-Sharif were again forced out of their homes as the destruction of their residential homes continues by the occupiers; bombings in Afghanistan and Pakistan have not yet sopped; and Guantanamo Prison has not yet been shut down and there are still secret prisons in Europe. Continuation of the present situation adds to hostilities and violence. Oppression and military aggression must be stopped. Regrettably, official reports concerning the brutalities of the Zionist regime in Gaza have not been completely published. The Secretary-General and the United Nations have crucial responsibilities in this respect and the international community is impatiently waiting for the punishment of the aggressors and the murderers of the defenseless people of Gaza.
    2 – Reforming the current economic structures and setting up a new international economic order based on human and moral values and obligations. A new course is needed that would help promote justice and progress worldwide by flourishing the potentials and talents of all nations thus bringing well-being for all and for future generations;
    3 – Reforming the international political relations based on the promotion of lasting peace and friendship, eradication of arms race and elimination of all nuclear, chemical and biological weapons;
    4 – Reforming cultural structures , respect for diverse customs and traditions of all nations, fostering moral values and spirituality aimed at institution of family as the backbone of all human societies; 5- Worldwide efforts to protect the environment and full observance of the international agreements and arrangements to prevent the annihilation of nature’s non-renewable resources.
    5 – Our nation has successfully gone through a glorious and fully- democratic election, opening a new chapter for our country in the march towards national progress and enhanced international interactions. They entrusted me once more with a large majority this heavy responsibility.
    And now, I want to declare that our great nation that has made great contribution to the world civilization, and the Islamic Republic of Iran as one of the most democratic and progressive governments of the world is ready to mobilize all its cultural, political and economic capabilities to engage into constructive process aimed at addressing the international concerns and challenges. Our country has been a main victim of terrorism and the target of an all-out military aggression during the first decade of the revolution. All through the past thirty years we have been subject to hostile attitudes of those who supported Saddam’s military aggression and his use of chemical weapons against us, and then they took military action in Iraq to get rid of him.
    Today, our nation seeks to create a world in which justice and compassion prevail. We announce our commitment to participate in the process of building a durable peace and security worldwide for all nations based on justice, spirituality and human dignity, while being dedicated to strongly defending our legitimate and legal rights. To materialize these goals, our nation is prepared to warmly shake all those hands which are honestly extended to us. No nation can claim to be free from the need to change and reform in this journey towards perfectness. We welcome real and humane changes and stand ready to actively engage in fundamental global reforms.
    Therefore, we emphasize that: – The only path to remain safe is to return to Mmonotheism (believing in the Oneness of God) and justice, and this is the greatest hope and opportunity in all ages and generations. Without belief in God and commitment to the cause of justice and fight against injustice and discrimination, the world architect would not get right.
    Man is at the center of the universe. The man’s unique feature is his humanity. The same feature which seeks for justice, piety, love, knowledge, awareness and all other high values. These human values should be supported, and each and every fellow humans should be given the opportunity to acquire them. Neglecting any of them is tantamount to the omission of a constituting piece of humanity.
    These are common elements which connect all human communities and constitute the basis of peace, security and friendship. 7 The divine religions pay attention to all aspects of human life, including obedience to God, morality, justice, fighting oppression, and endeavor to establish just and good governance. Prophet Abraham called for Oneness of God against Nimrod, as Prophet Moses did the same against Pharaohs and the Jesus Christ and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon them) did against the oppressors of their own time. They were all threatened to death and were forced out of their homelands. Without resistance and objection, the injustices would not be removed from the face of the earth. Sixth; (Dearfriends andcoCCeagues; The world is in continuous change and evolution.
    The promised destiny for the mankind is the establishment of the humane pure life. Will come a time when justice will prevail across the globe and every single human being will enjoy respect and dignity. That will be the time when the Mankind’s path to moral and spiritual perfectness will be opened and his journey to God and the manifestation of the God’s Divine Names will come true. The mankind should excel to represent the God’s “knowledge and wisdom”, His “compassion and benevolence”, His “justice and fairness”, His “power and art”, and His “kindness and forgiveness”.
    These will all come true under the rule of the Perfect Man, the last Divine Source on earth, Hazrat Mahdi (Peace be upon him); an offspring of the Prophet of Islam, who will re-emerge, and Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him) and other noble men will accompany him in the accomplishment of this, grand universal mission. And this is the belief in Entezar (Awaiting patiently for the Imam to return). Waiting with patience for the rule of goodness and the governance of the Best which is a universal human notion and which is a source of nations’ hope for the betterment of the world. 1 They will come, and with the help of righteous people and true believers will materialize the man’s long-standing desires for freedom, perfectness, maturity, security and tranquility, peace and beauty.
    They will come to put an end to war and aggression and present the entire knowledge as well as spirituality and friendship to the whole world. Yes; Indeed, the bright future for the mankind will come. (Dearfriends, In waiting for that brilliant time to come and in a collective commitment, let’s make due contributions in paving the grounds and preparing the conditions for building that bright future. Long live love and spirituality; long live peace and security; long live justice and freedom. God’s Peace and blessing be upon you all.”
    YouTube: Ahmadinejad speech at UN
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EBgqgIWuoc&feature=player_embedded
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23565.htm

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  31. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “How much trouble could it be to type in: “Toronto Star Lebanese Army Shells Palestinian Refugee Camp”?”
    Well, that depends on whether you gotta take your head out of your ass or not.

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  32. arthurdecco says:

    Whoops! Who’s da Maroon? LOL!
    What I should have said: How much trouble could it be to type in: “Toronto Star Lebanese Army Shells Palestinian Refugee Camp”? …Or something similar?

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  33. arthurdecco says:

    Look for them yourself, you lazy gurl. How much trouble could it be to type in Toronto Star Israel invades Lebanon, ya maroon?

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  34. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “When Arabs kill each other, no story”
    And we aren’t supposed to call you a racist?

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  35. nadine says:

    So, did anybody estimate casualties, after reporting that the Lebanese Army was using heavy artillery on a refugee camp? Got links?

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  36. arthurdecco says:

    More lies from Nadine, right on schedule: From the article: “In October 2007, violence broke out between militants from Fatah al-Islam and the Lebanese Armed Forces in the Nahr al-Bared Refugee Camp north of Tripoli.”
    Nadine’s response: “Interesting to see this under-reported incident mentioned. Reports at the time said that the Lebanese army used artillery on the camp. I would suppose that caused some casualties, but I can’t say for sure. Nobody cared enough to make a report. When Arabs kill each other, no story.”
    This incident was extensively covered in both the Toronto Star, a newspaper that reaches a million and a half readers every day and the Globe and Mail that reaches a business-receptive audience of at least three quarters of a million readers every day. I’m sure American papers covered it at least as responsibly as these two Zionist-controlled papers did.
    Nadine, you’ve forced me to remember a childhood ditty: Liar, liar, pants on fire…

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  37. nadine says:

    It seems highly peculiar to say anything about the current state of Hezbullah without mentioning Iran, from whom they take their orders. Reports are that Iran was not pleased at having to replenish Hezbullah’s rocket supply, which Israel destroyed, and is keeping them on a tighter leash nowadays, including furnishing their officers from the Qods Forces.
    “In October 2007, violence broke out between militants from Fatah al-Islam and the Lebanese Armed Forces in the Nahr al-Bared Refugee Camp north of Tripoli.”
    Interesting to see this under-reported incident mentioned. Reports at the time said that the Lebanese army used artillery on the camp. I would suppose that caused some casualties, but I can’t say for sure. Nobody cared enough to make a report. When Arabs kill each other, no story.

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  38. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Kinda makes ya wonder if Ben sees foreign policy matters with the same unbiased eye as he sees blog moderation, don’t it?

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  39. DonS says:

    Um, seems we have some personality clashes, at the least. Oh well, I’ve about been ready to take a TWN vacation anyway because the toxic level has risen so. In my case it’s Na . . . there I almost said it, who has polluted the discourse. I would be interested to know what exactly triggered you Wig wag? Protecting some young intern who reminds you of your granddaughter (as I could relate to with regard to my daughter)? Or does OA just make a convenient whipping boy (girl) — which would be easy to understand — for all the vitriol you’ve kept under control because the rest of us just wont see things your way? And, not to be the scold, but you have gone out of your way to insult most of us, and our host, who dare to oppose your arrogance. But, ya know, that’s just ole wigwag.
    As they say, let’s get back to issues. Or has it all been said and we each think we’re right? Except for the neocon cabal, of course, who know they’re right.

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  40. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Geez, I’m getting so damned tired of these crazy conspiracy theories!
    Now tell me, if someone weighs 230 pounds, are we REALLY supposed to believe their buns are like two fried eggs in a handerchief???
    I mean egads, whats that say about her bra size?

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  41. JohnH says:

    I do agree that the cosmetology part is a little below the belt. But isn’t that in fact the whole point of propaganda? Cover up all of the nastiness of the actions of our government and its allies while exposing any plausible shortcoming of our foes, real or imagined?
    And didn’t I see a wonderful picture of a large sow on this page next to the headline: “Putting Lipstick on a Pig?” I gather that the picture was prompted by Netanyahu’s typical stonewalling any attempt at peace, resulting in Obama’s reluctant attempt at cosmetology.
    Any way you look at it, you have to wonder: why did the subject of Hezbollah and it supposed “escalating rhetoric of war” came up now? A distraction from the Goldstone Report, as Dan Kervick suggests? A distraction from Netanyahu’s intransigeance? Undermining the peace process by spotlighting Israel’s largely imagined vulnerability to a Hezbollah attack? Or reminding everyone of Iran’s involvement with Hezbollah when Ahmedinejad is town? Could be all of the above and more.
    Fortuitous or not, such posts do end up helping to serve the interests of those who wish to Wigwag the Dog, diverting attention from other important matters.

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  42. Outraged American says:

    I’ll weigh in here, figuratively, I’m 5’8″ and about 140 lbs, or
    230, the scale broke when I stepped on it — so I could squash
    Wig like a bug, and yes I do have a vaj, which I use well and
    often.
    Wig, relax.
    And this young little hawk who wrote this post was not being
    honest about Hizbollah, but I’m not blaming her or her fellow
    traveler Ben, because they’re children.
    I covered Lebanon. These well-intentioned kids, Ben and
    Alexandra, need to talk to people who were on the ground in
    Lebanon during all of Israel’s attacks / occupations. It’ll take
    them years but they are young, and youth is truly wasted on the
    young..

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  43. WigWag says:

    Let me be clear, Dan. I really don’t care what gender the fucking asshole is. She demeans Israelis, she demeans Canadians, she demeans Australians, she demeans Indians and in this post she demeaned in a disgusting way someone who wrote an intelligent post just because she disagreed with the content. Good for Ben Katcher for trying to prevent the Washington Note from turning into a hostile workplace for Washington Note interns.
    She thinks because she tell us she’s of Indian decent and she’s supposedly married to a Jew that it somehow gives her license to repeat her disgusting insults; it doesn’t.
    Steve Clemons should be embarassed to have the first comment on this thread appear on his blog. He edited the Kotzabasis comment the other day; he should remove the first comment on this thread.
    I’ve said more than enough on the subject; that’s it.
    Agree, disagree, whatever you want.

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  44. Dan Kervick says:

    er…smallish

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  45. arthurdecco says:

    I want to picture you as a Cavalier riding to the defense of Ms. Taylor, Ben. Even if your response was totally inappropriate considering what Outraged American actually said in her first post. But hey! If it’s pumped you up enough to write about Sybil’s allegations – another “noble deed” that needs doing yesterday, my generous description of what was actually your inappropriate unreasonableness will be worth it, if only for the experience of watching you “dance with the devil that brought ya”.
    Alexandra Taylor reports: “Bazzi writes that, “This political vacuum gives Hezbollah free rein to continue building up its military and escalating its rhetoric of war.””
    Hmmm… It’s interesting I haven’t heard a whiff about Hezbollah “escalating its rhetoric for war”. I would think that would be something our beloved MSM would be creaming their Armani suits over and screechingly repeating every three minutes or so since before it happened. But even they can’t lie about something so easily proven to be a blatant falsehood, can they?
    Is that why it’s been left to the blogs to disseminate?
    Could it be that this statement is just more of the same old, same old bullshit that gets shoveled out by the boxcar every time Israel needs TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT? …Change the subject from perhaps…something…like…
    …THE GOLDSTONE REPORT?!?
    Nahh, that couldn’t be a reason for inserting this BS in this piece of Grade 10-level sophistry, could it?
    Wig Wag: “First it shows that deterrence does work. Ms Taylor is certainly right that Hezbollah is still powerful. But as powerful as they are, they were deterred from shooting off their rockets at Israel during the Gaza War by fear of massive retaliation.”
    And here we go again with even More sophistry and just-in-time lies from U NO HOO too! Imagine that! You could knock me over with a feather I’m so surprised.
    Hezbollah certainly sympathizes with the plight of the Palestinians. Nasrallah himself has said so many times. But Hezbollah are not Palestinian – they are Lebanese. Their responsibility is to their fellow Lebanese – Lebanese of all political and religious stripes according to what Hezbollah’s Nasrallah has ALSO stated publicly many, many, Many times.
    It’s my opinion they didn’t shoot off their rockets during Israel’s latest War Crime Against Humanity because it would have been a stupid, wasteful thing to do, both politically and militarily. And even a serial liar like you, Wiggy, has to privately, if not publicly, acknowledge Nasrallah, and the rest of the Hezbollah leadership, are NOT remotely stupid – that’s been left to the scheming nutbars controlling Israel and the US, judging by the evidence freely available to the stubbornly curious if not to the likes of you who refuse to uncover your eyes and stop screeching: “I CAN’T SEE YOU! I CAN’T HEAR YOU! I CAN’T SEE Y…”
    Hezbollah will unleash their weapons when it becomes necessary to protect Lebanon from its enemies. Nasrallah has Promised This. And he hasn’t lied yet. Could that be the reason he’s the most respected political leader in the whole of the Middle East – including in Israel?
    JohnH: “If Hezbollah is being restrained, shouldn’t Israel also be restrained from trashing the neighborhood every time politicians need to run for re-election?”
    Ahhhh…a voice of reason.
    But explain how voices of reason can be successful in an escalating war of words with the delusional, racist, almost-always murderous belligerents who are The Israelis and their Traitorous Accomplices engaged in the usurpation of targeted and critical elements of the American Administration AND Government in your great ol’ USA, JohnH?
    Wiggy: “Sunni Lebanese have cast their lot with the Christian Lebanese and the Sunni parties seem even more hostile to Hezbollah than the Christians do.”
    Geez, is that why over 80% of the Lebanese APPROVED of Hezbollah’s actions during Israel’s 2nd last series of War Crimes Against Humanity, Wagster?
    Let’s pretend for a moment what you claim is true is true even though we all know nothing you ever say about the Middle East is true, then what that must mean is that the Christians who have formed a coalition with Hezbollah aren’t really Christians in much the same way as Jews who are revolted by the lies you and your poisonous ilk tell and the powers you support are self-hating Jews who aren’t really Jews?
    Did I get that right, you dangerous-because-you’re-a-bat-shit-crazy nincompoop, Wiggy?
    JohnH: “The problem is that those whose self esteem depends on constantly bashing and humiliating Arabs are so blinded by their hatred that they are incapable of recognizing what’s in their own best interests.”
    Ain’t that the truth! But that’s one of the prime indicators of insanity, isn’t it, JohnH – repeating the same crap over and over again expecting different results?
    When are WE, the REST of us, the OTHER 99%, (because I know for a certainty that not all Jews buy into the Zionist madness that has been so eagerly adopted by those busy spreading lies and disinformation here)… when are WE gonna wake up and finally recognize and deal with the always-on-display mental illnesses of those claiming control of political events in the Middle East through their control of Amerika?
    “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA, AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT.” – former Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, on October 3, 2001, who is now a brain dead lunch bucket. (Perhaps there IS a vengeful Gawd after all!)
    When are we gonna start doing something about these dangerous people – When are we gonna start doing something to protect ourselves from their contemptuous and escalating malevolence that threatens the security of literally every human being on the planet?
    PS, Ziggy? Outraged American is a gurl. Just not Like U R – instead she’s a smart, informed and funny one.
    Poor U.

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  46. Dan Kervick says:

    Any piece of shit who would tell a bright young woman to go back to cosmetology school because he disagrees with the content of a post, deserves to get his ass kicked.</I.
    Fair enough. But, just FWIW, I believe it has been established that Outraged American is samllish Indian woman.

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  47. WigWag says:

    “Was that real WigWag or a fake WigWag?” (Dan Kervick)
    It was the real WigWag.
    Any piece of shit who would tell a bright young woman to go back to cosmetology school because he disagrees with the content of a post, deserves to get his ass kicked.
    If anyone talked to my granddaughter the way that piece of crap talked to Alexandra Taylor I’d kick their fucking ass.
    The moron thinks he’s being entertaining by insulting every national group he can think of; I don’t find it funny. There’s plenty of rudeness around here but this idiot takes it to a new height.
    He’s a piece of shit plain and simple. The fucking assholes who find his comment here funny are just as fucked up as he is.

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  48. JohnH says:

    POA–Don’t bet on it. Deterrence worked with the Soviets for 40 years.
    “Hezbollah’s deterrence capacity was exhibited when Israel cancelled its attack on May 11 which was green lighted in Washington to assist the Siniora government allies in West Beirut.”
    http://www.globalresearch[dot]ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9328
    But Israel’s real Achilles heel is not the power of Hezbollah’s rockets, which have nowhere the destructive power of Israel’s. No, the real Achilles heel is emigration of Jews. This has already started.
    http://stlouis.ujcfedweb{dot]org/page.aspx?id=144274
    Four years ago, the Ministry of Immigrant Absorption said that there are 750,000 Israelis living abroad–15% of the population!
    http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/1599_israelis_abroad.htm
    This trend will only accelerate if Israel tries to trash the neighborhood again, and the Arabs return the favor in kind. Those who leave will have marketable skills abroad, leaving the less skilled behind, sapping the country of its economic vitality, and tilting the population balance in favor of the Palestinians.
    As Obama says, the risks of making peace are far less than the risks of not making peace. The problem is that those whose self esteem depends on constantly bashing and humiliating Arabs are so blinded by their hatred that they are incapable of recognizing what’s in their own best interests.

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  49. JohnH says:

    POA–Don’t bet on it. Deterrence worked with the Soviets for 40 years.
    “Hezbollah’s deterrence capacity was exhibited when Israel cancelled its attack on May 11 which was green lighted in Washington to assist the Siniora government allies in West Beirut.”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9328
    But Israel’s real Achilles heel is not the power of Hezbollah’s rockets, which have nowhere the destructive power of Israel’s. No, the real Achilles heel is emigration of Jews. This has already started.
    http://stlouis.ujcfedweb.org/page.aspx?id=144274
    Four years ago, the Ministry of Immigrant Absorption said that there are 750,000 Israelis living abroad–15% of the population!
    http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/1599_israelis_abroad.htm
    This trend will only accelerate if Israel tries to trash the neighborhood again, and the Arabs return the favor in kind. Those who leave will have marketable skills abroad, leaving the less skilled behind, sapping the country of its economic vitality, and tilting the population balance in favor of the Palestinians.
    As Obama says, the risks of making peace are far less than the risks of not making peace. The problem is that those whose self esteem depends on constantly bashing and humiliating Arabs are so blinded by their hatred that they are incapable of recognizing what’s in their own best interests.

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  50. MNPundit says:

    How many posters at this site are women? I’ve seen a ton of “hers” thrown around on this thread.
    Anyhow, if the situation is analogous to Gaza doesn’t that pretty much mean Yes, Hezbollah HAS lost control and must get it back through re-conquering the splinter groups? That’s what happened in Gaza.

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  51. easy e says:

    BLOWBACK.
    It’s a term coined by the CIA to describe the unforeseen consequences of U.S. foreign policy. Chalmers Johnson wrote about it.
    It also applies to Israel. The rise and power of Hezbollah is a result of Israeli policy of continued aggression. It’s a natural human response to defending oneself against further atrocities.
    To the wingnuts here, what’s so difficult to understand about this?
    Duh!?!?!?!?……………
    Further coverage of Sibel Edmonds would have been a more constructive post.

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  52. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Well, if Wig-wag has any brains, she’ll claim it was a fake one. Of course, Ben and Steve know the answer, but I doubt it will be given to us.

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  53. Dan Kervick says:

    Was that real WigWag or a fake WigWag?

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  54. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “In fact, it’s Arab deterrence that may finally prompt the Israelis to sheath their swords”
    Highly doubtful. It will just provide the false rationale for Israel to kill larger blocs of Muslims at a time, with far more powerful weapons.
    I mean, what IS the next step up from millions of cluster bomblets or white phosphorous bombs?
    No matter what sinister killing implements the Lebanese come up with, I assure you we have something on the sales rack that is bigger and badder, and we are only too happy to see them used. Gotta keep that inventory movin’.

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  55. WigWag says:

    “World Politics Review columnist, Frida Ghitis, also warns of a growing competition between Hezbollah and Al Qaeda elements in Lebanon, emphasizing that the implications of the recent attack are to undercut the perception that Hezbollah is the only real power in southern Lebanon.” (Alexandra Taylor)
    This is also very interesting because Al Qaeda is the sworn enemy of the Shia; in fact the only people Al Qaeda hates more than infidels are apostates and that’s what they consider the Shia to be.
    But it’s very hard for me to believe that Al-Qaeda is going to become strong in Lebanon. The South is overwhelmingly Shia and the only place Al-Qaeda could take hold is in the Palestinian refugee camps/towns. But the Palestinians are far too dependant on the good will of Hezbollah for large numbers of them to take a chance by supporting Hezbollah’s sworn enemy.
    Sunni Lebanese have cast their lot with the Christian Lebanese and the Sunni parties seem even more hostile to Hezbollah than the Christians do. It’s hard for me to believe that many Sunni will decide it’s more efficacious for them to give up their alliance with the Christians in order to affiliate with Al Qaeda. After all, Sunni and Christian power depends on their ability to stick together.
    Hezbollah may have alot of things to worry about but I have a sneaking suspicion that Al Qaeda isn’t one of them.
    What probably did make Hassan Nasrallah nervous is when he heard thousands of demonstrators in Tehran on Al Quds day chanting “No to Hamas, No to Lebanon.”
    That had to hurt!

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  56. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Lets see now, in the three years since 2006, what do you suppose has killed and maimed more people, Lebanese rockets, or Israeli cluster munitions?
    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=1&article_id=105326
    Three years on, Israeli cluster bombs keep killing and maiming
    Work of Clearance teams hampered by lack of funding
    By Patrick Galey
    Saturday, August 15, 2009
    TIBNIN: Lieutenant Monnoyer clasps the dull metal cylinder by its ribboned thread and deftly shakes his wrist. The object whirs into motion, oscillating smoothly before stopping with a click. “The bomb is now armed,” he says. He is holding a replica M42 submunition, identical to the hundreds of thousands of cluster bomb fragments which still cover an estimated 16 million square meters of south Lebanon.
    Even as the country commemorates the end of the 2006 war with Israel – three years to the day on Friday – people in the south are still dying in the conflict. In the war’s final 72 hours, Israeli warplanes carpeted the south with cluster bombs, munitions designed to spread indiscriminate damage over a wide area. In three days, it is thought that Lebanese soil was showered with up to four million bomblets.
    Although each bomblet became armed the moment its housing shell disintegrated, up to 40 percent didn’t explode on contact with the ground. Some were buried in the fertile soil, becoming de facto landmines. Others nestled in the scorched shrubbery, making any passage through the scrubland a potentially deadly pursuit.
    These small, innocuous tubes, each no larger than a matchbox, are lethal from a range of 25 meters and, unlike most other weapons, don’t choose their victims. It could be a farmer tilling his field or a curious child scratching in the dirt. Touch a cluster bomb and you’ll be added to the ever-increasing list of dead from that fateful summer of 2006.
    At the latest count, 350 people have been injured in cluster bomb-related incidents in Lebanon. On Wednesday, two young siblings were wounded by a cluster bomb as they gathered firewood in Toulin, close to the Israel border.
    Continues….

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  57. JohnH says:

    Wigwag said, “is deterred from attacking Israel” by other Lebanese constituencies. Why isn’t Wigwag applauding this development?
    And while he’s at it, why shouldn’t he be applauding Hezbollah’s arms buildup, which provides deterrence against an Israeli attack? If Hezbollah is being restrained, shouldn’t Israel also be restrained from trashing the neighborhood every time politicians need to run for re-election?
    In fact, it’s Arab deterrence that may finally prompt the Israelis to sheath their swords.

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  58. PissedOffAmerican says:

    I guess Ben stopped moderating after giving OA her comeupance, eh?
    Coffee break, I suppose. Turkish, of course.

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  59. PissedOffAmerican says:

    I wonder. Do you suppose having a child dismembered by an Israeli cluster munition, one of millions peppered all over the Lebanese countryside, might compel an otherwise peace-loving human being to join a militant group? Its the bomb that just keeps giving.
    Is it such a wonder that these militant groups exist? Do we think they form and grow in a vaccuum?
    Perhaps, had the world community acted against Israel’s indiscriminate use of these munitions in Lebanon, there would be far fewer Lebanese committed to lobbing missiles into Israel.
    We sell them these kinds of munitions. Makes ya proud, don’t it, Ms. Taylor? Course, we gotta stop those nasty Iraniacs from selling weapons. We don’t want them taking a bite out of our profits, do we???
    Do you marvel and glow everytime you see the flag, Ms. Taylor, from your office in Washington? God bless American, the almighty dollar, Israel, and our role as the world’s largest marketeer of death and human misery.

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  60. WigWag says:

    This post is interesting for several reasons.
    (1) First it shows that deterrence does work. Ms Taylor is certainly right that Hezbollah is still powerful. But as powerful as they are, they were deterred from shooting off their rockets at Israel during the Gaza War by fear of massive retaliation.
    (2) It demonstrates that incorporating radical groups into the political process can affect their behavior. Hezbollah which has aspirations to be a major player in Lebanese politics beyond their role in Southern Lebanon, is deterred from attacking Israel by the fury it would inspire in other Lebanese constituencies. The natural question is whether the same logic could apply to Hamas as well. While I don’t support engaging Hamas, I have to admit, the Lebanese example proves it could be fruitful.
    (3) Ms Taylor correctly notes that “Hezbollah’s weapons caches and capabilities are only growing.” The fact that this is taking place right under the noses of a UNIFIL force primarily led by the French doesn’t bode well of a peace deal between Israelis and Palestinians. The Europeans and Americans both seem to accept that any Palestinian state will need to be demilitarized. If the French can’t enforce a UN resolution requiring Hezbollah to give up its weapons, why should the Israelis believe a peacekeeping force in the West Bank can prevent the Palestinians from obtaining rockets and other arms?
    Anyway, thank you for a very provocative post.

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  61. Outraged American says:

    Ben, I covered Israel’s destruction of Lebanon in 2006. I tried to
    get some American-Lebanese kids out whose relatives had been
    massacred at Qana. They were trapped in Lebanon, little kids,
    as Israel bombed Beirut.
    Alexandra, I apologize. Lovely name by the way. My reaction
    was based on covering Israel’s 2006 blitzkrieg on Lebanon.
    70,000 plus cluster bombs dropped on southern Lebanon after
    Israel had said she wouldn’t.
    Death is really dirty Ben. Definition of cosmetology: make-up
    and hair — so Ben what’s not clean about beauty?
    I do suggest that you look into what’s happened between Israel
    and Lebanon in the recent past (for me that would be the last 40
    years, but for you it could be 20 seconds ago, and I don’t mean
    that in a snide way — my interns, all brilliant, admit that they
    don’t have the attention span their older siblings have. Even if
    they were born minutes apart.)
    I interviewed a doctor who was working the emergency rooms in
    Lebanon back in I think it was 1982 — Israel has invaded
    Lebanon so many times I can’t remember. He told me stories….
    But they were all clean, because seeing children being blown to
    bits is always a cleansing experience.

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  62. ... says:

    the bipolar people i know are very ‘on’ when they are on and very not when they’re not… i don’t think it is fair to discount someone especially if they are bipolar… however i do think oa went over the line and would be better represented not saying what he did… same goes for wigwag who opts to show another side to his character..

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  63. WigWag says:

    Fuck you Outraged American; your a goddamned buffon of the first order and you’re almost certainly bipolar as well. Only a deluded piece of shit like you would tell an intern to go back to cosmetology school. If the comments you wrote were half as intelligent as the post by this young lady it would be a miracle.
    And you can stick your radio show up your ass.
    Don’t pay any attention to this idiot, Ms Taylor; he’s delusional.

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  64. Ben Katcher says:

    Dear Outraged American,
    Please keep it clean and on topic.
    Thanks,
    Ben

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  65. Outraged American says:

    What a load of rot. Go back to school and get a degree in
    cosmetology. At least then you’d be doing something useful
    instead of preparing the world for Israel’s umpteenth invasion of
    Lebanon.

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