George Will Excoriates <em>The Weekly Standard</em> in Rebuke of Bill Kristol, Condi Rice, and the Bush Administration’s Middle East Catastrophe

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George Will has sent to his client list a most amazing article — appearing in tomorrow’s Washington Post — that is a full-throttle attack on The Weekly Standard.
Will blasts The Weekly Standard five times in his short, 770-word piece.
He starts with a powerful critique and rebuke of Condi Rice’s interview with George Stephanopoulos on This Week that aired yesterday morning. He wraps up with a lashing of William Kristol and his cohorts rivalling the intensity of Israel’s latest air raids over Beirut.
TWN published this morning about the strong assaults by Juan Williams and George Will on Kristol and The Weekly Standard, but I did not know at that time that the conservative scribe would be launching such a serious second strike today.
Just so all of those who think that they sent me this article exclusively, four different people sent it to me. I will not run the entire article but will provide some of the zinger parts. As soon as the link is up on the Washington Post‘s site, I will provide that link. (Here is the link to “Transformation’s Toll” by George Will.)
George Will swats Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice first:

“Grotesque” was Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s characterization of the charge that the U.S. invasion of Iraq was responsible for the current Middle East conflagration. She is correct, up to a point. This point: Hezbollah and Hamas were alive and toxic long before March 2003. Still, it is not perverse to wonder whether the spectacle of America, currently learning a lesson — one that conservatives should not have to learn on the job — about the limits of power to subdue an unruly world, has emboldened many enemies.
Speaking on ABC’s “This Week,” Rice called it “short-sighted” to judge the success of the administration’s transformational ambitions by a “snapshot” of progress “some couple of years” into the transformation. She seems to consider today’s turmoil preferable to the Middle East’s “false stability” of the last 60 years, during which U.S. policy “turned a blind eye to the absence of democratic forces.”
There is, however, a sense in which that argument creates a blind eye: It makes instability, no matter how pandemic or lethal, necessarily a sign of progress. Violence is vindication: Hamas and Hezbollah have, Rice says, “determined that it is time now to try and arrest the move toward moderate democratic forces in the Middle East.”

You will have to see the Washington Post for Will’s powerful prose about an ill-thought out democratic plan serving as the vehicle that has delivered and empowered extremism in the current Middle East make-up, but then in the next section of his startling essay, George Will unleashes full fury on the neoconservative agenda and The Weekly Standard:

The administration, justly criticized for its Iraq premises and their execution, is suddenly receiving some criticism so untethered from reality as to defy caricature. The national, ethnic and religious dynamics of the Middle East are opaque to most people, but to The Weekly Standard — voice of a spectacularly misnamed radicalism, “neoconservativism” — everything is crystal clear: Iran is the key to everything.
“No Islamic Republic of Iran, no Hezbollah. No Islamic Republic of Iran, no one to prop up the Assad regime in Syria. No Iranian support for Syria. . .” You get the drift.
So, The Weekly Standard says. . .

“We might consider countering this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait? Does anyone think a nuclear Iran can be contained? That the current regime will negotiate in good faith? It would be easier to act sooner rather than later. Yes, there would be repercussions — and they would be healthy ones, showing a strong America that has rejected further appeasement.”

“Why wait?” Perhaps because the U.S. military has enough on its plate, in the deteriorating wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which both border Iran. And perhaps because containment, although of uncertain success, did work against Stalin and his successors, and might be preferable to a war against a nation much larger and more formidable than Iraq. And if Assad’s regime does not fall after The Weekly Standard‘s hoped-for third war, with Iran, does the magazine hope for a fourth?
As for the “healthy” repercussions that The Weekly Standard is so eager to experience from yet another war: One envies that publication’s powers of prophecy, but wishes it had exercised them on the nation’s behalf before all of the surprises — all of them unpleasant — that Iraq has inflicted. And regarding the “appeasement” that The Weekly Standard decries: Does the magazine really wish the administration had heeded its earlier (Dec. 20, 2004) editorial advocating war with yet another nation — the bombing of Syria?

George Will gets the “Conservatives with a Conscience Award” today from The Washington Note.
His five-whack, scathing assault on Kristol and The Weekly Standard rises from a frustration and raw honesty rarely seen (but increasingly moreso) among those who count themselves friends of conservative presidents like G.W. Bush.
At least this time around — no matter what happens further in our encounter with Iran and the nations in Israel’s neighborhood — U.S. policy will be debated and fought over.
No more steam-rolling and no more “trust us” duplicity from the White House.
Applause to George Will for this brave and important piece.
— Steve Clemons

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61 comments on “George Will Excoriates <em>The Weekly Standard</em> in Rebuke of Bill Kristol, Condi Rice, and the Bush Administration’s Middle East Catastrophe

  1. tower defense says:

    At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington. The FBI investigation, headed up by Dave Szady, has involved wiretaps, undercover surveillance and photography that CBS News was told document the passing of classified information from the mole, to the men at AIPAC, and on to the Israelis.

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  3. Pissed Off American says:

    Hmmm….it looks like facts tend to silence the Bush apologists, the Israel apologists, and the uninformed buffoons that crawl around pointing fingers and drooling crap about “conspiracy theorists”.

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  4. Pissed Off American says:

    Israeli Spying:
    The Mother of all Scandals
    Once again, Israel has been caught with spies at the highest levels of the US Government.
    At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington. The FBI investigation, headed up by Dave Szady, has involved wiretaps, undercover surveillance and photography that CBS News was told document the passing of classified information from the mole, to the men at AIPAC, and on to the Israelis.
    CBS sources say that last year the suspected spy, described as a trusted analyst at the Pentagon, turned over a presidential directive on U.S. policy toward Iran while it was, “in the draft phase when U.S. policy-makers were still debating the policy.” This put the Israelis, according to one source, “inside the decision-making loop” so they could “try to influence the outcome.” [CBS News]
    Once again Israel denies wrongdoing, or faced with incontrovertible evidence (in this case one of the spies has reportedly cooperated with the FBI) dismisses the spying with the claim that such spying is harmless, because Israel and the United States are such good friends.
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/motherofallscandals.html

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  5. Pissed Off American says:

    The Israeli Spy Ring
    ALL LINKS TO CARL CAMERON’S FOX NEWS STORY ON THE ISRAELI SPY RING HAVE BEEN REMOVED AT THE EXPRESS REQUEST OF FOX NEWS.
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

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  6. Pissed Off American says:

    Mossad agents arrested by the PA for attempting to set up phony ‘al Qaeda’ cells in the Gaza Strip.
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

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  7. Pissed Off American says:

    A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.
    The men set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers. (1)
    Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming “middle-eastern” men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)
    “They were like happy, you know … They didn’t look shocked to me” said a witness. (3)
    [T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)
    Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)
    The FBI sent out an alert to area cops, reading: “Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack . . . Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion.” (7)
    “It looked like they’re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.” (8)
    One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York’s bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here’s the transcript from NBC News:
    Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
    Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
    Caller: There’s a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
    Dispatcher: He has what?
    Caller: He’s dressed like an Arab. (9)
    (*Writer’s note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these “Arabs” were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not “sheikh uniforms”)
    Based on that phone call, police then issued a “Be-on-the-Lookout” alert for a white mini-van heading for the city’s bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.
    When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious “middle-easterners” were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
    According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:
    “We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem.” (10)
    Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?
    The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (11)
    The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (12)
    The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here’s what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:
    American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (13)
    TCM Breaking News reported that the van was laden down with tonnes of explosives (14).
    What’s really intriguing is that ABC’s 20/20 (15), the New York Post (16), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (17) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel.
    But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (18), and Yediot America, (19) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel.
    It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating “middle-easterners” in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five.
    Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a “get-away van” to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 “mystery caller”. A classic misdirection play.
    From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks.
    The employee, who declined to give his name said: “I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me.” These guys were like, “Now America knows what we go through.” (20)
    A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System’s Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System’s customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities (21).
    It was later confirmed that the five detained Israelis were in fact Mossad agents (22). They were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days. (23)
    [S]everal of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.
    Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.” (24)
    How did they know there would be an event to document on 9-11?
    It doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots of the dancing Israeli Mossad agents – here’s the most logical scenario:
    1. The Israeli “movers” cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history.
    2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel.
    3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices.
    4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis’ misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture.
    5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs.
    6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department “higher-ups” are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly.
    continues at……
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

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  8. ManagedChaos says:

    Try googling “5 dancing Israelis” and “60 page dea report israelis” if you are serious about being enlightened. The dancing Israelis were seen celebrating the collapse of the towers from Liberty State Park in NJ and were found with thousands of dollars in cash, boxcutters and foreign passports. They worked for an Israeli moving company called Urban Moving Systems who’s owner fled to Israel shortly after being questions by the FBI. You can try googling “dominik suter” if you want to be enlightened further. Urban Moving Systems is known to be a Mossad front company. Then again, I might just be a self-hating Jew.

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  9. anon says:

    Can you enlighten me, Mystic? This is the first I’ve heard of “5 celebrating Mossad agents.”
    I can’t find anything online. thanks.

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  10. mystic says:

    Kudos to Organised Chaos for saying it like it is.
    Most informed people throughout the world now believe from overwhelming evidence that 9/11 WAS an inside job. But to Anon who claims we give too much credit to our governemnt for carrying it out because it lacks the competence, I say I agree with you but need to qualify my speculative reasoning: The competence could be explained if Israel’s Mossad was in on it, and the 5 dancing Mossad agents cannot be explained UNLESS they were involved, and their truck DID contain explosives.That dancing celebration of five Mossad agents high fiving the burning of the twin towers will be explained one day, but until then my suspicions remain. In my mind, Israel’s arch enemy Saddam was eliminated in return for their expertise in helping to engineer this diabolical crime.

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  11. Jeff Carroll says:

    I thought everyone on the Left already knew what the Right has seemed so eager over the years to forget and then relearn: George W. Bush is no conservative.
    And neither was his father.

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  12. steambomb says:

    Nevermind *sigh* I wont bother you with the explanation.

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  13. steambomb says:

    OT here but this is just a test post. I couldn’t sworn I just posted here about GW but now cannot see it.

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  14. Patience says:

    I was rather startled a couple of days ago to hear Bill Kristol arguing on KCRW’s “To the Point” that it was better to fight for Iraq and the Middle East lest we repeat the tragic lesson of Darfur. It surprised me so much to hear about Kristol talking about Darfur that I decided to go to the Standard’s website to see how much reporting they’ve done on the subject. The answer is none, but it seems like the writers love to use it as a throwaway line (“Do you want Baghdad to become another Darfur?”) rather than, say, actually proposing a course of action in the real Darfur.

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  15. ahem says:

    “I also think the Will column is important. Nobody wants to back a loser.”
    It’s simply not enough to ‘not back’ Kristol, Perle et al. The PNAC brigade should have been declared persona non grata a while ago. Booking them for your cabloid show ought to be unthinkable.
    It’s time for those who consider themselves part of the ‘non-insane’ group of foreign policy thinkers, regardless of whether they’re conservative, liberal or centrist, to call out the ‘now we must invade Iran and/or Syria’ posse as insane warmongers. As often as possible.

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  16. Keone Michaels says:

    George Will is finally realizing that his conservative friends have put him and the country in danger and are continuing to do so. Kristol’s chickenhawk stupidy and careless posturing deserved Will’s foot up his posterior.

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  17. Keone Michaels says:

    George Will is finally realizing that his conservative friends have put him and the country in danger and are continuing to do so. Kristol’s chickenhawk stupidy and careless posturing deserved Will’s foot up his posterior.

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  18. Keone Michaels says:

    George Will is finally realizing that his conservative friends have put him and the country in danger and are continuing to do so. Kristol’s chickenhawk stupidy and careless posturing deserved Will’s foot up his posterior.

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  19. Keone Michaels says:

    George Will is finally realizing that his conservative friends have put him and the country in danger and are continuing to do so. Kristol’s chickenhawk stupidy and careless posturing deserved Will’s foot up his posterior.

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  20. memekiller says:

    Is it brave for a rat to flee a sinking ship? Should a ratbe applauded for jumping over the railing after it chewed a hole in the hull?

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  21. tbaum says:

    Steve:
    Please see e-mail I sent to various MSM oulets on this issue of Will speaking out.
    Ladies and Gentlemen of the Media:
    Well, well, as you can see from the following piece by Steve Clemons, which can be found at http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/, we are beginning to see the Republicans and various stripes of conservatives excoriate each other in public. Now, that must mean that they are really beginning to see abject failure everywhere and it is failure for which they are eminently responsible. I will readily admit that it does my heart good to see a George Will attack a Bill Kristol and one of our chief liars, Rice, if for no other reason than it can be seen as the revolution feeding on its own members.
    Not with standing the joy of such a scene, I must say that I would be much more impressed if the basis for the criticism was more on target to the real offense. Clearly, Will and others who are criticizing the Bush cabal are doing so based upon a belief that we were led into the debacle in Iraq for what is described below as an “ill-thought out democratic plan.” in other words, it would seem that Will and others have bought into the 11th hour justification the Bush gang came up with for our attack on Iraq after all of their original ones were shown to be the lies and deceits that they were, i.e. we went there to free the poor Iraqi people from that terrible Hussein and to bring them the joys of our form of democracy. What utter trash!
    In addition to being focused on the wrong target, Will and company are upset, not because of the basic right or wrong of what we have done, but because we have failed at doing it. Where is the honor and morality in that?
    Will can excoriate Bush and company all he wants to about the silliness of thinking that we can democratize the entire Middle East as a means to eradicate Islamic Jihad, but that really had little or nothing to do with why we are in Iraq. As I have said enumerable times, we attacked Iraq as the first step of a NEOCON plan for establishing the New American Century they defined in their Project For A New American Century (PNAC) work, which saw our destiny as being the modern day manifestation of the ancient Pax Romana or world dominance. They started with the Middle East, not because it is full of olive trees, but because it is full of the one vital resource our modern economy absolutely must have, oil. Cheney knew very well from his work as CEO of Haliburton and from the work of his secret Energy Commission that the world’s production capacity of oil will soon peak, a point known as “Peak Oil,” and he knew that the occurrence of this event will have catastrophic consequences for all of the world’s economies, especially our’s which is so dependent upon imported oil. Therefore, from the point of view of people, who do not mind at all being in fact and being seen as Robber Barons of the first order, the natural solution for the US to prepare for this coming economic tsunamis was to simply go steal some else’s oil, with that someone being the holders of most of the world’s estimated oil reserves, OPEC. So, we are in Iraq And we are threatening Iran and even Venezuela because of the NEOCON grand dream of Pax Americana and because of oil and not at all because we were so worried about Hussein or the well being of the Iraqi people. If Wills would face up and recognize that and then excoriate Bush and company for their crimes in pushing that agenda, I would be much more impressed and joyful in seeing this Republican in-fighting.
    By the way, before we all get completely comfortable with the idea that we really understand the evil of Saddam Hussein, we just might remind ourselves about the degree of confidence we can have in anything we have been told by our administrations and in particularly this one. There is no doubt that, when attacked, Hussein was brutal in his reaction. However, let us look at what our dear friends the Israelis are doing right now and see if that word “brutal” doesn’t apply. If so, should we hold the leadership of Israel in the same category as we hold Hussein?
    I would suggest that you read the various works you will find in Neo-Conned, Just War Principles: A Condemnation of War In Iraq, with Forward by Capucci and Introduction by Lopez. You just might find that, just as we have been totally bamboozled with respect to why we attacked Iraq, we might very well have been given a completely skewed picture of Hussein himself and all that he supposedly did to his own people.
    I myself began to wonder about the accuracy and honesty of the picture we were given about this man, whom many compared to Adolph Hitler, when I realized that one of the key charges against him at his trial was that he signed the order to execute something over one hundred Shiites, who had been found guilty in an Iraqi court of law of having attempted to assassinate Hussein. Think about this picture for a while and see if it is something for which a national leader should be tried and quite possibly executed. My reaction was, if they did not have something better than that charge, why bother with a show trial; just take him out and execute him.
    By the way, you will find in NEO-Conned that, not only were those Shiites, whom we have been told were so downtrodden and mistreated by Hussein and the Baath party, deeply embedded throughout Hussein’s government and the Baath party, but the man in charge of bringing to trial those Shiites, who attempted to assassinate Hussein was himself a Shiite. Well, you say, “Where do the charges against Hussein come from then?” The same sort of places from which we received assurances that the Iraqis so hated Hussein that they would welcome us with open arms. Iraqis, who had their own agenda and desire to take power in Iraq.
    I raise these points, not because I think Hussein is a great guy, although I do think maybe we have been handed a big load of… about him, but to raise the flag of caution when it comes to believing anything the Bush crowd tells us. Remember the mantra I have stated so many times, “Pay no attention whatever to what he or they say. Pay close attention to what he or they do.” The difference between the two will, almost without exception, be stark!
    FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

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  22. anon says:

    “I think you give yourself WAY TOO MUCH credit for thinking you have any clue about what happened that day.”
    Right back at you, ManagedChaos.
    Have you ever heard the saying, “That’s like the pot calling the kettle black.”

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  23. ManagedChaos says:

    Who said that the government premeditated, orchestrated and perpetrated the 9/11 attacks? At what point does incompetance become complicity? Ever heard of the term mitigate? Why was Mohammed Atta a frequent visitor to Jack Abramoff’s casino boats? Why would the 9/11 hijackers jeopardize their plans by taking flight training in the US? Did they know the FBI wouldn’t take seriously all the reports from local offices? Did not two of the hijackers live with an FBI informant? How is it possible that debris from flight 93 was found 8 miles away if that plane was not shot down? How did WTC 7 collapse in such a uniform manner? Why was molten steel found 70 feet below the ground several weeks later at the WTC?
    I think you give yourself WAY TOO MUCH credit for thinking you have any clue about what happened that day.

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  24. skip says:

    Will is supposed to be a smart guy. Are we now being asked to genuflect before him because he has finally realized things the meanest intellects among us have known for years?

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  25. anon says:

    I think that Pissed Off American, ManagedChaos and others who think that the September 11 disaster was premeditated attack orchestrated and perpetrated by our government give our government WAY TOO MUCH credit. I don’t believe that they are that competent

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  26. Matthew says:

    I also think the Will column is important. Nobody wants to back a loser.
    Steve: Any sense in Washington if the established voices are taking the government back from the Neo-Cons? Will is very sophisticated. I can’t imagine he isn’t speaking for a lot of heavy hitters who have been silent so far (Wilkerson and Snowcroft, excepted).

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  27. ManagedChaos says:

    Yes, in the purest sense of the word, people who act against the best interests of their country and put their own interests or the interests of their party before the security and well being of their country are traitors. Someone who thinks Israel’s interests are parallel to ours is a threat to this country’s national security and future.
    Some guy named George Washington said this, “The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest.”
    Your damn right treason is getting popular…the only problem is that in this Orwellian world, people who shine light on government malfeasance and call the Bush Administration out for the liars and scumbags they are…are called traitors. If blatantly lying a country into a war against a sovereign country is not treason, I don’t know what the fuck is. Those in the media who helped cover up those lies are traitors as well.
    And yeah, get over it, 9/11 was an inside job. Hegelian dialectic….Problem-Reaction-Solution

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  28. Pissed Off American says:

    Pissed Off American,
    You don’t really believe that the September 11, disaster was orchestrated by the U.S. government, do you?
    Aside from being foolish and paranoid, that type of nonsense plays right into the hands of the Republicans.
    Are you really Karl Rove in disguise?!
    Posted by WTF
    Please explain the circumstances surrounding the experience and injuries of William Rodriquez, or the actions taken by the Bush Administration to silence Sybil Edmonds. Absent that, please do not attempt to engage me in any discussions about the WTC crimes.
    Debate consists of considerably more discourse than simply pointing one’s finger and drooling some nonsense about “anti-semitism” or “conspiracy theories”.
    Yes, I believe that factions within our government were complicit in the crimes committed on 9/11. And the actions of this government since that event prove irrefutably that they are capable of such despicable and treasonous action.
    (And again, Steve, I sincerely believe that you would be doing us all a huge favor if you exposed those here that post under multiple screen names.)

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  29. WTF says:

    Pissed Off American,
    You don’t really believe that the September 11, disaster was orchestrated by the U.S. government, do you?
    Aside from being foolish and paranoid, that type of nonsense plays right into the hands of the Republicans.
    Are you really Karl Rove in disguise?!

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  30. Grand Moff Texan says:

    Apologies. First sentence of my last post was a quote from ManageChaos. I guess tags don’t work here?
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  31. Grand Moff Texan says:

    Anyone who proclaims Israel’s war is our war or that Israel’s interests are parallel to America’s interests is a traitor.
    OK, that would mean that Larry Kudlow and Sean Hannity are traitors, just from a quick flip of the dial last night.
    If your formulation is correct, then treason is getting to be very popular.
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  32. Grand Moff Texan says:

    Strange. Back when Wesley Clark needed to be smeared as paranoid, George Will took his marching orders from the Weekly Standard (and never issued a correction, even when corrected, to the best of my knowledge). Back when a paleocon like Buchanan needed to be smacked down, it was Will who mainstreamed the notion that ol’ Pat had been suckered by holocaust-deniers’ theories.
    Now he’s off the reservation. Interesting. I guess no one wants to back a bunch of losers.
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  33. Steambomb says:

    Big difference between todays republicans that are going along to get along and a true conservative like George Will. BIG BIG difference.

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  34. daniel robinson says:

    While on the show with George Stephanopoulos, Will said this about the White House:
    “The rhetoric has changed, people have noticed that. What we’re getting today is the one thing the United States, I suppose in some hideous sense, needed, which is a comprehensive demonstration of the limits of our power.”
    At first I thought Will was trying out some new talking points for the White House. To demonstrate for all the world’s political actors the limits of American power is the worst long-term thing that could have happened. It took a decade to recover from Vietnam. We now face an enemy that is actively exporting violence, unlike the lethargic revolutions (actually nationalistic movements) exported by China and the USSR. Now is not the time to open the kimono and parade around just what bits we’ve got.
    Hideous, indeed.

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  35. Rich says:

    George Will’s criticism of the neo-conservative international agenda is nothing new. He has consistently criticized it as contrary to traditional conservative philosophy and to basic American values.

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  36. bob h says:

    raw honesty?
    I do not recall similar bravery/honesty from Will in the early stages of the Iraq War. Correct me if I am wrong. He is merely jumping from a sinking ship.

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  37. anon says:

    Meanwhile, James Woolsey, war profiteer par excellence, puts his money where his stinking mouth is..
    http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/17/james-woolsey-calls-for-an-attack-on-syria/

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  38. Roland Buck says:

    George Will is an interesting conservative columnist. Most of the time he regurgitates mindless right wing dogma. Then every once in a while he surprises everybody by saying something that shows he is actually capable of intelligent and original thought. If he would just do this consistently, instead of only occasionally, he really could be a great political commentator.

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  39. Desiderata says:

    Don’t pay attention to the men behind the curtain. They keep your attention on explosions and death (how could we not look there?) while their hands methodically remove from us all that made possible our American dream. They refills our pockets with bags of sand (NAFTA, CAFTA, the Bankruptcy Reform Bill, revisions of the Fair Labor Standards Act: the list goes on and on). Watch out union leaders__the Patriot Acts I, II and soon to be III are aimed straight at your backs. Even as we begin to sense the truth behind that curtain, we are lead toward the still waters, too entranced to care that the sand in our pockets will weigh us under and that we surely will drown.
    We have snapped out of our enchantment with war now that the water has engulfed us. We are struggling for air, but many have been promised enormous wealth and power to hold us down. They will have their New World Order only with the genocide of the middle class. Republicans and Democrats__ they are all Santoriums and Liebermans__from the statehouse to the White House__ traitors that push us beneath the water, rejoice as we drown and the American Dream dies. Relax. Think of the flag being burned. Think of gays marrying. Think of sperm dying for lack of a womb. These visions will help us surrender our freedoms, our democracy; even our silly notions about our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
    The meek will inherit six feet of earth, and our children and their children and their children’s children will beg for crumbs outside the houses of the lords forever.
    __Desiderata

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  40. Eyeball Kid says:

    Will is 10% inspiration and 90% denial. Logically, can only go where he’s never gone before. If he repudiates the Cabal’s destructive and demonic politics, he also must repudiate all of the support that the Cabal’s gotten from nearly EVERY REPUBLICAN IN CONGRESS!! They’re all supporting these thieves and killers. No one is turning away. They’re all right there, ready to approve of yet another silly attempt at a “sanctity of marriage” amendment while the middle east burns. They don’t want to stop the money trough from K Street. They don’t want to do a damned thing for the middle and lower classes. All of them. And Will is angry with the leadership when Bush’s supporters are right there, in perfect lockstep. He leaves Bush’s loyal followers untouched.
    Will tries to slay the hairy beast with an electric razor, ready to add shape and fluff to an already murderous animal, but never brave enough to unsheath his dagger. The fact is, he wouldn’t dare take the logical route. Were he to do so, he’d have to recommend the opposition for political office. And where would Will be without his precious reputation as a Republican shill?

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  41. Pissed Off American says:

    Any American that is not terrified about our future is an idiot. This whole thing, from the STOLEN 2000 election, to the WTC, to Iraq, to this chaos in the Middle East is just FAR TOO ORCHESTRATED. All along I have contended that this is about a FINAL SOLUTION to the MUSLIM PROBLEM, and the chaos is proceding as planned. The one hitch in their plan was the failure to privatize the Iraqi assets, and establish a stable foundation for a strong American military presence in Iraq. Our servicemen were not supposed to be battling insurgents, they were supposed to be bivuaced and poised for their next conquest. But it looks like Israel intends to stick to the game plan, regardless of how thin it stretches our military resources.
    A whole LOT of Muslims are about to die, and God help us if China or Russia feel threatened by our actions. And, as the transcript of the open mike so clearly illustrates, our leaders aren’t exactly the brightest bulbs on the tree.
    We will be lucky if these three assholes, Bush, Blair, and Ohlmert don’t irradiate the whole God damned mess.

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  42. Carroll says:

    BTW….just found Wolcott’s column on Kudlow’s “We are all Israelis”..(yep they are back to that screech again) appearence MSNBC
    http://jameswolcott.com/
    You really have to read this, it is too funny. No one disembowels the neo’s better than Wolcott with his delicious language.

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  43. George says:

    Too bad he was instrumental in helping the NEOCONS achieve power.

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  44. Carroll says:

    Did anyone hear Lawrence Kudlow on MSNBC tonight?
    He was screaming about America should get on it’s knees and thank Israel for saving it or fighting the terriers or some such…I mean he was frothing at the mouth.. it was hard for me to catch all he said since I was in another room …but I thihk he had said something about how the Israel couldn’t take on Iran by itself and the US had to step in and so on.
    God, all the neo’s are freaking out and ranting and beating their fist on tables like madmen. I guess they are testing to see if there is going to be any public reaction against their shoving the US into Iran.

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  45. Carroll says:

    Nancy..yes he would be.
    He is my congressman and I spoke to his office today and commented on it in another thread. Jones has always been a rather quiet studious type politican but he is without a doubt totally honest and totally devoted to American interest. Now he is riled up as only an honest man can be since he now knows the lies told to get us into Iraq. I was a registerd dem but always voted for him because I don’t think the man is capable of lying to himself or anyone else.
    “And Congressman Walter Jones has been a one man Republican band practically trying to get to the truth and hold someone accountable. Any chance you could interview him Steve?
    Posted by Nancy/Ca at July 17, 2006 11:19 PM

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  46. Jeff Barea says:

    Can people stop calling neo’s conservatives already?
    George Bush is about as conservative as his father. And if you think that’s conservative you are about two steps shy of falling forever into their propaganda machine, never to get out.
    Um, those that believe in big government are not conservative. Simple already.
    Looks like a duck.
    Just because they call themselves christians doesn’t make them conservative.
    Walks like a duck.
    Just because they have stolen the name of conservatism doesn’t make them conservative.
    Bush says quack.
    And you all fall for it. The current crop of liberal onliners are about as bad as the neo’s are in that way.
    All playing King of the Hill. Psst.. the hill=propaganda.

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  47. Sydney says:

    To Mr. Smart Arse Tony Jones,
    Did you tell Robert Fisk last night that we (Australians) do not know about headless baby torsos, not even about the Lebanese Prime Ministers tears for his country? Our news reporting perfectly filters out everything that does not suit the Isreali propaganda.
    Why don’t you fix your Lateline website “Contact Us” page. Our letters go into a black hole and not to your desk.

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  48. Nancy/Ca says:

    Could this possibly be a beginning chorus of “The Emperor has no clothes?” Never in my wildest dreams did I think any of the “Beltway Boys” would attack The Weekly Standard! Kudos to you Steve when you made sure Larry Wilkerson was heard loud and clear; He was awesome at the pre-war intelligence committee hearing a few weeks ago. Senator Feinstein asked him bluntly where he thought alot of the distorted info came from,his answer short and sweet “Vice President Cheney” You could hear her gasp “oh my!” Very brave of him and everyone else that appeared that day. And Congressman Walter Jones has been a one man Republican band practically trying to get to the truth and hold someone accountable. Any chance you could interview him Steve?

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  49. LTJ says:

    Enjoyed the characterization by km4 of the Bush-Blair tet-a-tet as the dim-bulb exchange it so pathetically was. Can these two be the brightest leaders the English-speaking world can produce?
    They say Bush wants to be remembered as a sort of 21st century “Churchill”? It’s almost beyond further comment – I’ll just leave you to ponder that nugget…….

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  50. steve ex-expat says:

    Yes, here we go with the “Bush is not a real conservative” talk. How about this, “conservative” and “liberal” are largely manufactured dichotomous labels that have no real meaning and change over time. Sometimes environmentalists are seen as conservative, sometimes “liberals” are the ones pushing for war. It basically goes around in a circle about every 5 to 10 decades.

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  51. scott and lorelei diguglielmo says:

    a glimmer of hope that reality can one day, sink thru the thick skulls of anyone who still supports this administration. 33% of the country still is willing to follow g.w.b. of a cliff

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  52. SevenOneEight says:

    When the media mentions that the rockets Hezbollah are using are made in Iran, why do they not say that the bombs and missles Israel is using are made in Colorado and Missouri>

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  53. paul says:

    Idle thinking… given the juxtaposition of signinicant US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to Iran. And Iran being the real bogeyman according neocontheology, what if Cheney just said “fuck it” to continuing bleeding in our current wars and decided to go after real target Iran. He’s got the staging area for an invasion and most of the troops (though exhausted something I doubt he worries too much about) are right in theater.
    I know I can’t see it happening in a realist universe but at this point how farfetched is my scenario?
    Iraq is in civil war and will remain so with or without US involvement.
    Afghanistan was only interesting when it was a base of the GWOT enemies. Now it’s just a bunch of warlords again – just like the old days.

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  54. cosmo says:

    “His five-whack, scathing assault on Kristol and The Weekly Standard rises from a frustration and raw honesty rarely seen (but increasingly moreso) among those who count themselves friends of conservative presidents like G.W. Bush.”
    Jeezus Steve, G.W. Bush is not a conservative in any sense of the word. Please, please stop using the term in describing him. This is not just a superficial issue of semantics, it’s a big deal. You afford legitimacy and respectability to Dubya’s radical antics by calling him a conservative. The whole radical right agenda has been unwittingly advanced by pundits who should know better than to describe Bush and his ilk as conservatives.

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  55. mr.ed says:

    What’s happening to me? This is the second Will column this year I agree with. I’m mellllting…

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  56. naschkatze says:

    I don’t ever recall agreeing with George Will in the past, but I’m not going to blast him now, when he’s finally on the right page, for statements he has made in the past.

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  57. km4 says:

    The Wish is Father to the Deed
    http://billmon.org/archives/002536.html
    By billmon on War
    The BBC has posted a transcript of the chat between Bush and Blair that was accidently captured on tape. The completely non-surprising thing about it is how inarticulate and scatter brained both Bush and Blair sound — like a couple of dopeheads discussing their favorite recipes for hash brownies, instead of two world leaders trying to deal with a serious Middle East crisis.
    I find this particularly inexcusable on Blair’s part — after all, English is his mother tongue.
    But the really crucial part of the dialogue, I think, was this bit:
    Blair: Look — what does he think? (It appears from the context that the PM is talking about Syrian President Bashar Assad) He thinks if Lebanon turns out fine. If you get a solution in Israel and Palestine. Iraq goes in the right way . . .
    Bush: Yeah — he’s [indistinct]
    Blair: Yeah . . . He’s had it. That’s what all this is about — it’s the same with Iran.
    This is fascinating as well as terrifying. It suggests that Bush and his faithful water carrier both really believe their own bullshit — not just in terms of viewing Hezbollah and Hamas as the mindless tools of Syria and Iran, but also in their rosy-lensed assessments of how things are going in the Middle East these days.
    Consider what Blair seems to be saying, and Bush grunting between mouthfuls of food (Yeah . . . Yeah.) These fools actually seem to think that Syria and/or Iran ordered their Hezbollah and Hamas minions to stir up trouble with the Israelis because Assad and/or the mullahs are worried that:
    A.) The “Cedar Revolution” will create a strong, united Lebanon (Presumably one in which Syrian influence and Hezbollah muscle vanish into thin air.)
    B.) There will be a peace settlement between the Israelis and the Palestinians. (Due, no doubt, to the heroic efforts of these two great humanitarians.)
    C.) Things in Iraq will “go in the right way.”
    I mean, how much more out of touch with reality could the killer Bs possibly be? Their own wishful thinking about the consequences of their own pathetic follies appears to have left them with some wholly fantastical ideas about what motivates their enemies in the region. Either that, or they’ve completely bought the sugar coated lies being spoon fed them by their subordinates. My guess is that it’s probably a bit of both — creating a perfect, impenetrable feedback loop of flattery, deception and wish fulfillment.
    Juan Cole says reading the transcript left him “shaken and trembling.” I guess I would be too, if I hadn’t already come to the conclusion that we’re completely fucked. Pessimism does have it’s advantages.
    Still, it’s hard not to be impressed with the level of delusion picked up by that treacherous microphone. I hate to violate Godwin’s Law (and you all know how much I hate it) but this conversation reads, psychologically at least, like table talk between Hitler and one of his remaining puppet allies, circa the winter of 1945.

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  58. Jay says:

    It’s worth noting, if not praising, when George Will — Mouthpiece of Conservative Cheerleading — says what you and I might call obvious. The more pundits like Will that state the obvious, and restate the obvious, until it sinks through the skulls of middle America, the better.

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  59. Chris says:

    George Will making sense is like the preaching dog. His sermon ain’t great, but c’mon, it’s a dog! I think you’re setting the bar really low here. He crawls out of his cave after, what, 20 years of nonsense? After all of his mash notes to Republican presidents, his cryptoracism, and plain old lying on economic matters, he notes the obvious, and for this deserves praise?

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  60. ManagedChaos says:

    Kristol and company may be borderline insane but these PNAC neo-con Zionist Israeli-firsters are full-on traitors. No man can serve two masters. Anyone who proclaims Israel’s war is our war or that Israel’s interests are parallel to America’s interests is a traitor. How convenient for this administration full of Israeli-firsters to get such a gift as 9/11 to help us ignorant Americans feel the fear and paranoia that Israelis live with everyday. How convenient that Israeli “art students” selling cheap Chinese paintings, were caught trying to infiltrate government installations and government employee’s houses. Cui Bono?

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  61. ahem says:

    Credit where it’s due: Will (after Juan Williams) may just have twigged that Kristol and the ‘Weekly Standard’ have become an ‘any excuse to bomb Iran’ operation. The neocons see this as their opportunity for the Big Regional War they wanted all along, and it’ll take conservatives like Will to repudiate them.
    Kristol and company are borderline insane.

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