Doug Feith Slammed in Inspector General’s Report But No Changes Recommended

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Raw Story has the just declassified “Review of Pre-Iraq War Activities of the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy” up on its site.
While the Inspector General’s review credits the “continuing collaboration between the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence” as an example that “circumstances prevalent in 2002 are no longer present today,” thus warranting no recommendations for change — the report really does slam Douglas Feith’s independent intelligence generation activities as inappropriate on all counts.
It seems to clear Feith of acting illegally or without authorization — which promulgates the reality that no one seems to be clearly accountable for the errors upon errors inside the Pentagon.
More later.
— Steve Clemons

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100 comments on “Doug Feith Slammed in Inspector General’s Report But No Changes Recommended

  1. rich says:

    Frank, Den, POA:
    Well, Georgetown’s credibility is shot to hell. Whenever Georgetown ‘University’ comes up on conversation–when I meet a student or prof or an alum–I’ll be making it a point to raise the issue and come down HARD on the presumed pedigree of the place, and their lack of cred or honor for going along with it.
    Same with Blitzer: each & every time his name comes up, he makes a public appearance, he has to be publicly challenged for facilitating Feith’s work on shoring up the lies.
    B/c Feith’s recent appearances are no accident–in fact, this is critical to shoring up that die-hard 25% still supporting Bush. If they don’t hear him push the propoganda, the focus is back on the Report’s conclusions that the OSP manufactured evidence.
    SYSTEMIC corruption is the word for it. And it requires a systematic reponse. Each player–right down to the undergrads and profs at Georgetown–have to understand they’re marked for life with an ineradicable stigma. It’s the stigma of treason. The stigma of bloody hands. It doesn’t matter that they’re ‘just a student’ or that they’re “just doing their job.” This is the only way institutions change. And that’s what the Nazis said at Nuremberg. “I was only doing my job. I’m a good German.”
    Same with the AEI–any time some ‘guest’ goes on the NewsHour, and turns out to be from the American Enterprise Institute–that guest loses all credibility. And you have to question not only the judgment and wisdom of the show’s producers–but also their motive and purpose.
    Why on God’s green earth does the AEI have ANY credibility (now OR then), relative to the thousands of available experts? Case in point: Donald Kagan. Are you freakin’ kidding me?!?
    Get Al McCoy on the show. Prove you’re a journalist. But don’t foist these hacktacular amateurs like Kagan off on us to shape the “debate” on the utility & effectiveness of the surge. It’ll be interesting to see if the surge is program or pogrom.

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  2. Ben Rosengart says:

    “Iran Directorate” … is anyone else reminded of SYRIANA?

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  3. ... says:

    right on den valdron. i can’t say it as clearly, but i am glad you are.

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  4. DonS says:

    “Evidence Grows That White House Planned To Release Cooked Intel On Iran ”
    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/10/iran-cooked-intel/

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  5. Den Valdron says:

    What’s most disturbing about Blitzer’s interview with Feith is that Feith simply continues to lie, and to lie badly.
    The guy has been exposed. But that doesn’t even slow him down.
    – Iraq had wmd’s (it didn’t), or at least wmd programs (it didn’t), or it had the personnel, the facilities and the will (not really).
    – Iraq had connections with Al Quaeda (not in any meaningful sense).
    – The CIA was unreliable, except when we wanted to rely upon it.
    Feith continues to lie on National television with impunity. And why? Because there are absolutely no consequences. Wolf Blitzer doesn’t spank him, Blitzer doesn’t say ‘these things are simply not true.’
    Within government, Feith continues to hold his positions, he is not charged with breach of any law, he is not disciplined internally, there is absolutely no consequence.
    As we’ve seen with Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson, only telling the truth has negative consequences.
    Feith can lie and continue to lie without consequence, so long as he supports the agenda.
    This whole thing speaks to an unimaginable systemic corruption within American society.
    It is not Feith, he’s just the tip of the iceberg.
    In America, the truth is increasingly an antique. It is quaint and out of fashion, important only to the blue rinse set, who are tolerated so long as they stay out of the way of serious people doing serious things.

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  6. Pissed Off American says:

    “”There is something terribly corrupt about a country that will permit such unspeakable, murderous acts to remain unpunished. And it is high time the so-called political and cultural leaders of this country said so without equivocation. My God, people, we’ve had our country’s government openly as well as secretly establish concentration camps all over the world; practice torture as an approved government policy; engaged in, and boasted about, international assasinations; destroyed through military action a foreign state merely because it could (and openly plan to do it again in the near future); undermined the integrity of the press by deliberately planting false stories and suborning journalists; been exposed as capable of using every tactic short of physical violence to prevent critics from publishing the truth; ignored the will of the American people, expert opinion, commonsense, and all common decency; advocated ever more bizarre theories of unlimited, unchecked power, and acted as if they were the law of the land … “”
    This is the exact kind of rhetoric that will be spoken by any presidential candidate I choose to vote for. Campaigning with anything less is tantamount to treason. The only candidate I have seen thus far that approaches stating such indisputable truth is Kucinich. The rest of these fuckers are cut of the same cloth that Bush is, only they are shrewder, and therefore even more dangerous. By any application of common sense and human morality, Feith should currently be incarcerated, absent bail, awaiting trial for high crimes and treason. Anything less completely discredits the notion that this is a representative government, or that our nation holds all men equal under the law.

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  7. Frank says:

    The Downing street memo said it all (fitting intelligence around policy). Feith’s ideologically driven task of transmuting false intelligence to justification for a preemptive strike on a sovereign country, competes with Goebbels justifying Hitler’s aggression. The resulting marraige of lies with aggressive intent has resulted in over 600,000 Iraqi deaths, over 3000 US military deaths, and the expenditure of hundreds of billions of dollars.
    This country, now the scorn of the world, is a legacy that will take generations to overcome, unless, unless we convene a tribunal rivaling the Nuremberg trials. And now this clown teaches FOREIGN POLICY at Georgetown university? Where art thou accountabilty?

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  8. DonS says:

    Here’s a quote from Digby apropos of today’s tepid NYT editorial on the Feith/DOD office of malfeasance (I’d link but I’m afraid to skew the format):
    “This is not the kind of behavior over which to mince words. These are the sorts of actions that treason trials and international war crimes tribunals are for.
    “There is something terribly corrupt about a country that will permit such unspeakable, murderous acts to remain unpunished. And it is high time the so-called political and cultural leaders of this country said so without equivocation. My God, people, we’ve had our country’s government openly as well as secretly establish concentration camps all over the world; practice torture as an approved government policy; engaged in, and boasted about, international assasinations; destroyed through military action a foreign state merely because it could (and openly plan to do it again in the near future); undermined the integrity of the press by deliberately planting false stories and suborning journalists; been exposed as capable of using every tactic short of physical violence to prevent critics from publishing the truth; ignored the will of the American people, expert opinion, commonsense, and all common decency; advocated ever more bizarre theories of unlimited, unchecked power, and acted as if they were the law of the land … ”

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  9. brat says:

    But no one will ever go to jail for lying the US into a war.
    This is what I find so outrageous–these clowns (Bush et al) are totaly contempuous of the rule of law. They are the WASP mafiosi (sp?).

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  10. DonS says:

    There’s video over on Crooks and Liars that’s also priceless. One really get’s a touch of nostalgia when he talks, actually barks, about not finding WMD, but: “We found” . . . wait for it . . . “programs!”

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  11. Carroll says:

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/09/sitroom.02.html
    Feith defending himself on CNN…scroll down to begining of interveiw with Blitzer.
    Pitiful…just pitiful. This guy really is the stupidest f****** guy on earth.

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  12. Carroll says:

    Posted by Easy E at February 10, 2007 02:27 AM
    >>>>>>>>>
    oh gawd!..that is so funny!
    Until you realize bush could actually say this any day now…again.

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  13. susan says:

    OT: Wouldn’t THIS be something!
    Yeah, it would. But, it’s an old story and I should have checked the date before posting it here.

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  14. susan says:

    OT: Wouldn’t THIS be something!
    “A senior aide to Vice President Dick Cheney is cooperating with special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson, sources close to the investigation say.
    Individuals familiar with Fitzgerald’s case tell RAW STORY that John Hannah, a senior national security aide on loan to Vice President Dick Cheney from the offices of then-Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs, John Bolton, was named as a target of Fitzgerald’s probe. They say he was told in recent weeks that he could face imminent indictment for his role in leaking Plame-Wilson’s name to reporters unless he cooperated with the investigation.
    Others close to the probe say that if Hannah is cooperating with the special prosecutor then he was likely going to be charged as a co-conspirator and may have cut a deal…”
    http://tinyurl.com/8s9xk

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  15. Easy E says:

    BUSH ON IRAN
    At a farewell reception at Blair House for the retiring chief of protocol, Don Ensenat, who was President Bush’s Yale roommate, the president shook hands with Washington Life Magazine’s Soroush Shehabi. A grandson of one of the late Shah’s ministers, Soroush said, “Mr. President, I simply want to say one U.S. bomb on Iran and the regime will remain in power for another 20 or 30 years and 70 million Iranians will become radicalized.”
    “I know,” President Bush answered.
    “But does Vice President Cheney know?” asked Soroush.
    The president chuckled and walked away.
    http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20070208-100038-4021r
    The U.S. Empire War Profiteers salivate at another 20 to 30 years of war. And AIPAC will be a tool to help achieve their objective.

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  16. Easy E says:

    BUSH INTERVIEW ON FOX NEWS (Following intensive coaching by consulting firm Feith, Abrams & Wurmser)
    “Interviewer: Mr. President, is the U.S. Planning to attack Iran?
    The President: We are not planning to attack Iran, but all options are on the table.
    Interviewer: But Mr. President, during your 10th January speech, you mentioned Iran six times!
    The President: Of course! Iran is a threat to the region. Ahmedinadinadinadinajaad is building nuclear weapons over there.
    Interviewer: Yes, but the speech was about the civil war situation in Iraq.
    The President: Was it? … really? Yes, well, uhmm…. ahh.
    Interviewer: I think your earpiece fell out Mr. President.
    The President: Oh sh*t! No wonder I couldn’t hear the lines to answer you. Wait a second, let me put put it back in. Ah! that’s better. Yes, well Iran is directly involved with the creating the civil war situation in Iraq.
    Interviewer: So are you planning to order an attack on Iran?
    The President: We are not planning to attack Iran, but all tables are on the option.
    Interviewer: But the recent moves by the US navy, specifically the positioning of aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf, points to an attack on Iran.
    The President: We are not planning to attack the tables, but all the options are on Iran.
    Interviewer: But it is clear that Israeli prime minister, sees the attack on Iran as a as necessity because he classifies Iran as the biggest threat to Israel, even though Olmert himself accidently admitted in public that Israel possesses nuclear weapons.
    The President: We are not planning to option Iran, but all tables are on the attack.
    Interviewer: Even the most prominent neo-conservative members of your party are now beating the war drums for Iran.
    The President: We are not planning to table all the options, but the attack is on Iran.
    Interviewer: Aha!! so you admit it.
    The President: No wait! … I didn’t mean to say that….yet.
    Interviewer: So how do you plan to drum up support for the attack?
    The President: Wait for it.
    Interviewer: Wait for what?
    The President: Shhh!!…wait and listen.
    [[[[[[ [[[[[ [[[[ [[[ [[KABOOOOM!!!!!!]] ]]] ]]]] ]]]]] ]]]]]]
    The President: There’s the support I need. Now no other option is on the table BUT to attack Iran.”

    Disclaimer: This is a fictional account of what could actually turn out to be the reasoning of a future, non-fictional event.

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  17. susan says:

    So, the war in Iraq is about oil? Well, according to Greg Palast the answer might be more complicated than we think:
    GREG PALAST: Is the war in Iraq for oil? Yes, it’s about the oil, but not for the oil. In my investigations for Armed Madhouse, I ended up with a story far more fascinating and difficult than I imagined. We didn’t go in to grab the oil. Just the opposite. We went in to control the oil and make sure we didn’t get it. It goes back to 1920, when the oil companies sat in a room in Brussels in a hotel room, drew a red line around Iraq and said, “There’ll be no oil coming out of that nation.” They have to suppress oil coming out of Iraq. Otherwise, the price of oil will collapse, and OPEC and Saudi Arabia will collapse…
    http://tinyurl.com/qyw56
    And so, what I found, what I discovered that they’re very unhappy about is a 323-page plan, which was written by big oil, which is the secret but official plan of the United States for Iraq’s oil, written by the big oil companies out of the James Baker Institute in coordination with a secret committee of the Council on Foreign Relations. I know it sounds very conspiratorial, but this is exactly how they do it. It’s quite wild. And it’s all about a plan to control Iraq’s oil and make sure that Iraq has a system, which, quote, “enhances its relationship with OPEC.” In other words, the whole idea is to maintain the power of OPEC, which means maintain the power of Saudi Arabia.
    And this is one of the reasons they absolutely hate Hugo Chavez. As you’ll see in next week’s Harper’s coming out, which is basically an excerpt from the book, Hugo Chavez on June 1st is going to ask OPEC to officially recognize that he has more oil than Saudi Arabia. This is a geopolitical earthquake. And the inside documents from the U.S. Department of Energy, which we have in the book and in Harper’s, say, yeah, he’s got more oil than Saudi Arabia…
    http://tinyurl.com/qyw56

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  18. Carroll says:

    Of course Israel is revelant..or perhaps more accurate to say that the small cabal of Israeli centric Feith’s and Wolfowitz’s who were shaped by their unbringing of seeing Hitlers under every bed..is revelant to the minipulations that went on leading to the Iraq invasion. These are men who mixed their own personal hang ups with some phony intellectualism and named it democracy for the ME.
    It is also the height of ignorance to think Israel did not play it’s part either…and by Israel I mean both the actual goverment of Israel and AIPAC, who some think directs Israel while others think Israel directs AIPAC. Whichever is true, it is also true that AIPAC controls 90% of the US congressional votes on anything concerning the ME and Israel. While this doesn’t always mean Israel is able to make the US do it’s bidding it does mean that AIPAC thru congress does the heavy lifting and provides the real pressure on US policy. We have had some presidents in the past like Ike and even Bush Sr. who bucked congress and AIPAC both on their Israeli demands…but now that money has become almost the only factor in US elections and becuase US zionist are willing to pay whatever it takes to keep their influence, finding politicans who will go against them has become harder.
    And of course, Iraq couldn’t have been done under anyone but Bush Jr, who was both predisposed to, and the perfect patsy for, some grand ego fulfilling crusade. Or under any congress but the ones we have had lately of mostly pond scum frogs who would do anything to play in the big DC pond.
    What I think is less revelant is the oil conspiracy…that is, I don’t think the oil companies put the WH up to invading the ME for oil. The oil factor is strictly the warped brain fart of the sick Cheney who see himself as the strong, silent real master of it all. The FT had an exellent article a year ago about the objections the oil companies had to assuming control of the oil fields/production/refining in Iraq…oil companies rightly know better than to sink billions into “owning” oil fields that can be nationalized and taken away from them with any change of goverment. The recent revelation on the sweet deal for the oil companies in Iraq reflects the fact that the oil companies are so loath to get into it they had to have an inordinate and unheard of amount of profit up front to take the risk.
    So is America just intrinsically evil all by itself as Den claims it is and that the Israeli fetish in some surrounding Bush and the pentagon had nothing to do with Iraq or now Iran?….that’s far too simplist…it was a combination of ..yes, a cabal of neos and Israeli fanatics, a corrupt congress, and a village idiot for a president.
    But what we have to ask concerning Feith and Wolfwitz and all the rest of that gang of neo’s and Israeli fanatics is this..if they had not been in this president’s cabinet and in the positions they were in….would Bush have or have been able to launch a war on Iraq? Could Cheney have gathered cooperation from anyone other than this particular cabal for his phony intell? I think not. Invading the ME was not on anyone’s radar screen or do or die list even after 911 except the “Clean Break” Israelis and the PNAC crowd.
    If blame is to be assigned the neo Israeli cabal and Cheney have to share first place. Neither could have pulled this off without the other.
    We are actually right back to where we were just prior to the invasion when everyone including Hardball was talking about the “cabal” behind the rush to war..tonight on Harball the conservation was right back to the begining, discussing the “small group of four or five people” who created the Iraq war being behind the drum beat for war with Iran.
    So yea, Israel, the neos, the Feith types still lurking in the adm are all pertinent to every discussion about everything that has happened.
    But if Den is tired of hearing about the Israel factor let’s make him a deal…if he gets Bibi to stop touring the US to incite the jews to lobby congress to demand that the US attack Iran and if he gets AIPAC to register as a foreign lobby we will all quit talking about the Israel angle.
    Until then, it’s on the table.

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  19. Easy E says:

    Looks like Winnepeger is here after all. This one’s for ‘winnie’:
    THE POWER OF ISRAEL IN THE UNITED STATES
    by James Petras
    “…Petras’ powerful new book is titled The Power of Israel in the United States. It’s a work of epic writing and essential reading documenting the enormous influence of the pro-Israeli Lobby on US policy in the Middle East. It focuses like a laser to assure that policy conforms with Israel’s long-term goal for regional hegemony. The Lobby’s influence is broad and deep enough to include officials at the highest levels of government, the business community, academia, the clergy (especially the dominant Christian fundamentalists/Christian Zionists) and the mass media. Petras shows how together they’re able to assure the full and unconditional US support for all elements of Israel’s agenda going back decades even when that agenda harms our interests such as the unwinnable war in Iraq, any future one against Iran if it’s undertaken, and the appalling and brutal subjugation and colonization of the Palestinian people that serves no US interest whatever. In spite of it, the Lobby is able to get the US to go along with Israel unconditionally with no serious opposition to it tolerated…”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=LEN20061026&articleId=3604
    Cheers.
    By the way, I do agree with Chomsky.

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  20. susan says:

    If Americans could read the frank discussion in the Israeli press about Israel’s inhuman treatment of Palestinians they would wonder how they, as Americans with a “free press,” became so totally brainwashed.
    In an act of honest statesmanship that is rarely witnessed, Jimmy Carter states:
    “The bottom line is this: Peace will come to Israel and the Middle East only when the Israeli government is willing to comply with international law, with the Roadmap for Peace, with official American policy, with the wishes of a majority of its own citizens – and honor its own previous commitments – by accepting its legal borders. All Arab neighbors must pledge to honor Israel’s right to live in peace under these conditions. The United States is squandering international prestige and goodwill and intensifying global anti-American terrorism by unofficially condoning or abetting the Israeli confiscation and colonization of Palestinian territories. It will be a tragedy – for the Israelis, the Palestinians, and the world – if peace is rejected and a system of oppression, apartheid and sustained violence is permitted to prevail.”
    The Bush administration, American neoconservatives, and the Olmert Israeli government believe that the solution lies in the use of military force to smash Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah and to inflict cultural genocide on Muslims by deracinating Islam. This is the path on which Bush with deceit and treachery is leading America.

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  21. Marky says:

    Offended Jew, big oil is who BACKED Khomeini!
    The Shah wanted to take a bigger cut of the oil profits, and that couldn’t be allowed.
    It’s a big mistake to think that what happened 30 years ago means that Iranians today are resolutely anti-US. They are not. IN fact, Iran has been seeker closer relations with the US for years, as we now know, but has been rebuffed.
    Saudi Arabia has been funding our worst enemies, not Iran. It’s so ridiculous that the same arguments used to support the Iraq war are being trotted out again for Iran.

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  22. Pissed Off American says:

    “The funny thing is that nobody here is defending Feith!”
    You are doing worse than defending Feith. You are maligning and denegrating the people that realize, and seek to discuss, the DIRECT role that Israel played in shaping Feith’s actions. Like I said, you can SHOVE your rhetoric about “anti-semitism”, Winnipeger. And I guarantee you, few here are fooled by your masquerades and false pretensions.

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  23. Pissed Off American says:

    Different name, same putrid little weasel.

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  24. Pissed Off American says:

    Heres another “must read” in regards to the extremely close ties the neocons surrounding Bush had to Israel. And I must disagree with Den. Feith’s, and Perle’s, (and many more), allegiences and loyalties have EVERYTHING to do with their motives in lying this nation into war. When examining Feith’s history, actions, and motives, it is irresponsible to ignore his interests and machinations in regards to Israel. To suggest that Feith’s ties to Israel are irrelevant, considering he was fired in 1972 from the NSC for being under suspicion of passing classified intelligence to the Israelis, is ridiculous. The fact is, the deeper you dig, the more credible becomes the argument that the government of the United States was incited to war by not so covert agents of the Israeli government.
    http://www.counterpunch.org/green09032004.html
    An excerpt…
    Even more revealing perhaps, had the transition team known of it, was Feith’s view of “technology cooperation,” as expressed in a 1992 Commentary article: “It is in the interest of U.S. and Israel to remove needless impediments to technological cooperation between them. Technologies in the hands of responsible, friendly countries facing military threats, countries like Israel, serve to deter aggression, enhance regional stability and promote peace thereby.”
    “What Douglas Feith had neglected to say, in this last article, was that he thought that individuals could decide on their own whether the sharing of classified information was “technical cooperation,” an unauthorized disclosure, or a violation of U.S. Code 794c, the “Espionage Act.””
    “Ten years prior to writing the Commentary piece, Feith had made such a decision on his own. At the time, March of 1972, Feith was a Middle East analyst in the Near East and South Asian Affairs section of the National Security Council. Two months before, in January, Judge William Clark had replaced Richard Allen as National Security Advisor, with the intention to clean house. A total of nine NSC staff members were fired, including Feith, who’d only been with the NSC for a year. But Feith was fired because he’d been the object of an inquiry into whether he’d provided classified material to an official of the Israeli Embassy in Washington. The FBI had opened the inquiry. And Clark, who had served in U.S. Army counterintelligence in the 1950’s, took such matters very seriously…..more seriously, apparently, than had Richard Allen.”

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  25. Offended American Jew says:

    …And I hope he is prosecuted and pays dearly for his crimes.

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  26. Offended American Jew says:

    The funny thing is that nobody here is defending Feith! 🙂
    We all agree that he represents the worst of of the Republican defense establishment. He is a fool with blood on his hand.

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  27. Offended American Jew says:

    Mr. Valdron,
    Touche. I’ll accept my share of the blame. You’re right. But will you also agree that there are several people posting above who are offensive idiots doing their best to antagonize me and instigate a fight?
    this is not my idea of constructive.

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  28. Pissed Off American says:

    Heres a good 2003 article about Feith, written by Jim Lobe, a regular contributer to Asia Times….
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/ips/lobe13.html
    An Excerpt.
    “In 1997, in a lengthy article, “A Strategy for Israel,” published in Commentary magazine, Feith argued that Israel should repudiate the Oslo accords and move to reoccupy those parts of the West Bank and Gaza that had been transferred to the Palestinian Authority.”
    “Two years later, he and Perle signed an open letter to President Bill Clinton calling for Washington to work with Chalabi’s Iraqi National Congress (INC) to oust Saddam Hussein.”

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  29. Den Valdron says:

    Sorry, Offended American Jew, you’re as bad as anyone else. You got right in there. It only takes two flakes to derail a thread, and you showed up and helped to do the job.
    Now your excuse is the other guy started it? Right. That didn’t work when you were five years old. I don’t know why it should work now.
    Clemons posted a perfectly reasonable and critical issue. I’m disappointed with you and others derailing it to feed your childish obsessions.

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  30. DonS says:

    Now I am truly offended. I tried to take this poster at face value and it seems my good nature has been played upon. Not the first time of course. Sadly, it once again confirms the use of anti semitic accusations as a means of stifling criticism of those neocons and their ilk that threaten to destroy this country. Nice work Offended One.

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  31. Pissed Off American says:

    “Btw, Mr. Den Valdron, please substantiate your claim that israel has been allocated $4billion dollars this year in Bush’s proposed budget. I’m curious where you got this figure.”
    Gads winnie, he already mopped the floor with you once, now you’re begging for it again?

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  32. Pissed Off American says:

    What in God’s name would prompt some blathering ass to repeatedly post here under false pretensions, using multiple screen names, destroying one thread after another? This guy is a real sick one.

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  33. steambomb says:

    ~~~Why exactly do you have the comments enabled on your blog, Mr. Clemmons?
    are you proud of this debate? Do you feel it is constructive or worthwhile?
    Posted by Offended American Jew at February 9, 2007 10:47 PM ~~~
    Ok thats it! I know enough to call you an Asshole. You are an offended american jew Asshole.

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  34. Offended American Jew says:

    Btw, Mr. Den Valdron, please substantiate your claim that israel has been allocated $4billion dollars this year in Bush’s proposed budget. I’m curious where you got this figure.

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  35. Offended American Jew says:

    Mr. Valdron said,
    “And finally, this was a perfectly reasonable thread about Douglas Feith falsifying or manipulating information illegally or without authorization that helped to take America into a war on false pretenses, which has resulted in three thousand Dead Americans and Hundreds of Thousands of Dead Iraqi’s.’
    Yeah. And I posted a reaction to the following comments which in my opinion destroyed this thread before I even ventured into this hostile little corner of cyberspace:
    Michael Chertoff- jewish, what a coincidence..
    Posted by: … at February 9, 2007 03:35 PM
    And:
    Now, Israel is not only destroying the Al Asqa mosque (OK, OK, Israel is not DESTROYING the mosque itself, just its foundation) in a deliberate attempt to enrage the entire Islamic world, it is also, yet again, deliberately provoking Lebanon. With the intent, I would guess given Israel’s history, of provoking an attack on USRAEL .
    Oh ye patriotic Americans, call your congressional representatives, tell them to GET ISRAEL THE HELL OUT OF OUR FOREIGN POLICY and STOP ALL AID TO ISRAEL.
    The world is at a crisis point: that a tiny little apartheid, terrorist, rogue state should have brought us to this point via blackmail, bribes and threats, is bullsh*t. The only thing that can save the world from an all out nuclear war is we, the American people, demanding that our representatives take care of our interests first, before these deliberate provocations by Israel and its lackeys in the U.S. government, plunge us into utter and irreversible devastation.
    Posted by: NotHere at February 9, 2007 06:28 PM
    Don’t accuse me of destroying this thread or polluting and hijacking this debate.

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  36. Offended American Jew says:

    Why exactly do you have the comments enabled on your blog, Mr. Clemmons?
    are you proud of this debate? Do you feel it is constructive or worthwhile?

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  37. Den Valdron says:

    Offended American Jew, you are nattering on about loan guarantees not counting as aid? Geez, are you out of your gourd?
    I don’t know whether you are by nature an asshole or not. I don’t know you. All I can say is that you are currently acting like one.
    And finally, this was a perfectly reasonable thread about Douglas Feith falsifying or manipulating information illegally or without authorization that helped to take America into a war on false pretenses, which has resulted in three thousand Dead Americans and Hundreds of Thousands of Dead Iraqi’s.
    This brings up issues of accountability, of responsibility, of America’s role and reliability, of the war itself.
    What it doesn’t bring up is the endless babble about Israel. No, that’s just irrelevant stuff brought into the discussion by asswipes like you and your playmates because the entire topic of Israel has been so profoundly corrupted.
    So, I’m not happy with you or your buds.

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  38. Pissed Off American says:

    And BTW, failing to recognize and accept Feith’s ties to rabid zionists, such as Marc Zell, is asinine to the extreme. It is no coincidence that an inordinate number of Bush’s key advisors had strong ties to Israel, and not only Israel, but the far right factions within Israel.
    And THIS pissed of American is sick of hearing some asshole start raving about “anti-semitism” everytime we bring up the unquestionably dubious alliances of many of the key trumpeteers that advocated the invasion of Iraq. And the fact that Chertoff is jewish is irrelevant. What IS relevent is his questional alliances.
    Den sees Israel’s role as periphery. I happen to believe Israel’s role is far more sinister, and far more determining in its influence upon the foreign policy of the United States. I would go so far to say, considering the circle that Bush immersed himself in, that our government was, and is, infiltrated by foreign agents. You simply cannot ignore the influence of Feith, Perle, Zakhiem, Cambone, Chertoff,…..the list goes on and on.

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  39. steambomb says:

    ~~~Oh, and Den Valdron, this isn’t a discussion about Zionism and I’m not an asshole. Thanks.
    Posted by Offended American Jew at February 9, 2007 09:03 PM ~~~
    How do you know you are not an asshole? How do you get an objective view of yourself? We often see ourselves through the eyes of others. I dont know you but you still might be an asshole.

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  40. Carroll says:

    Well, let’s make everyone mad…congress isn’t doing it’s job, nothing new there. so it falls to us to start kicking the shit can down the road…and wouldn’t you know, just as Feith makes the news….the question of what the Israeli Mossad who were operating in the US knew about 911 before it happened resurfaces as a topic again..
    interview on Democracy Now with Perleman of the Forward and Cockburn of Counterpunch..
    http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/08/1610254

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  41. Frank says:

    How could any universtiy outside of Israel hire this dummy? Saw him interviewed by Blitzer. An embarassment to watch.
    Georgetown lost a lot of credibility by having this war criminal on their payrole. I wonder how the Nurenburg trials are studied there.

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  42. Pissed Off American says:

    “Show me any country or people who are so regularly accused of wrongdoing in such a vicious and vitriolic way.”
    Well, maybe you live in a bubble, and have missed Israel’s rhetoric about Iran.

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  43. ... says:

    furthermore, i do think the jewish community has its work cut out for it in altering the direction the undue influence its money has gotten it. i don’t care if you run the fed reserve, cia, or a branch of gov’t- osp as an example – if you are promoting something that has as its bottom line the sale of war and murder of others for profit, i have a problem with it… and, i know i am not alone.

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  44. ... says:

    Offended American Jew, i pointed out the coincidence of a pack involving israel and the usa, where the person representing the usa happens to be jewish.. now it is true one can be an american and be jewish at the same time, but i believe the question of where ones allegiance lies is an important one.. it is also something that is very difficult to know, in spite of what someone may say, or not say about it… so, i make an observation on something that i feel is an important coincidence – israel/usa policy dovetailing when it comes to sharing information of a sensitive matter, and the representative from the usa happening to be jewish… if that is not something that you feel is acceptable to point out, then you have chosen an appropriate name, as you are easily offended.

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  45. Pissed Off American says:

    When is this friggin’ troll going to run out of screen names? And his indignation is hypocrizy at its worse. Whats he think, calling people “anti-semitic” is going to win him friends? To hell with him.
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hasbara
    Hasbara
    From SourceWatch
    Hasbara refers to the propaganda efforts to sell Israel, justify its actions, and defend it in world opinion. Using contemporary euphemisms, it is Public diplomacy for Israel, or using a pejorative interpretation, then it is apologia. Israel portrays itself as fighting on two fronts: the Palestinians and world opinion. The latter is dealt with hasbara. The premise of hasbara is that Israel’s problems are a matter of better propaganda, and not one of an underlying unjust situation.

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  46. Pissed Off American says:

    “Maybe I am oversensitive, but the Israel/Jewish demagoguery that regularly goes unchecked in the progressive community does seem to be anti-semitic in nature to me. Show me any country or people who are so regularly accused of wrongdoing in such a vicious and vitriolic way.”
    Posted by Offended American Jew
    Go screw yourself. Gads I am sick of your brand of horseshit.
    Tell me, what other lobby has been busted outright with key members committing acts of espionage against the United States? You can take your accusations of “anti-semitism” and shove them right up where the sun doesn’t shine. To claim that AIPAC is just like any other lobby is nothing but a batant lie. And that makes you a blatant liar, deserving of neither respect, nor civility.

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  47. Offended American Jew says:

    and one more thing, Pissed Off American:
    One can’t lie about an opinion or a feeling. You may think that the pro-Israel lobby is not like any other. That’s fine. That’s your opinion. I may disagree with you, but, regardless, I can’t call you a “liar.”

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  48. Carroll says:

    And furthermore since my post on the new Israeli office within the DHS was sidetracked into a discussion of jews, let me get you back to the REAL point.
    NO COUNTY should have inside offices in any security agency of the United States, particulary Israel…why you may ask?…becuase they are jews?…well no Virgina…it is becuase NO FOREIGN COUNTY should have access to domestic security information..particulary Israel BECAUSE of the past problems we have had with Israel and becuase of the well known fact that Israel would like to direct the US to certain actions that we, the American people don’t approve of and that aren’t in our interest.
    http://911readingroom.org/bib/whole_document.php?article_id=137
    Here is your refresher course on why Isr should not be given carte blanche by the US, especially inside DHS. Israel has and will operate inside the US without our knowledge and without permission from our own security and intelligence agencies as the article from the Forward lays out. I see nothing to prove to me that they won’t use whatever they get from our own DHA to further their own goals…and some of their actions in that regard may damage the US in the process.
    I repeat, this is insane…as usual.

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  49. Offended American Jew says:

    You’re a God damned liar.
    Posted by: Pissed Off American at February 9, 2007 09:01 PM
    Pissed Off American,
    perhaps you need to read this thread a bit more closely, before calling me a “God damned liar.” These are Noam chomsky’s words, not mine. I merely said that I agree with him.
    And can we please turn down the hostility and profanity here? This is no way to debate or discuss ideas. Quite frankly, it’s juvenile.

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  50. Offended American Jew says:

    Den Valdron,
    I’m curious if you can substantiate the $4 billion figure you reference in terms of U.S. aid to Israel. I thought that the actual figure is $2.6 billion (prposed for ’06), since loan guarantees are not considered aid.
    that said, I still believe chomsky is right.
    Marky: I STRONGLY disagree with your characterization of Israel being the reason why the U.S. has had strained relations (to say the least) with Iran. I believe that you are ignoring the historical reality of the Iranian revolution and its aftermath as well as the motivation of the Mullahs. ditto the interests of “big oil,” the MIC and our failed president who seems intent to go out with an even bigger bang.
    Carroll:
    not quite sure why you are so antagonistic towards me. maybe you think it’s ok to “out” people for being Jewish or any other religion. I don’t. Sorry.
    Oh, and Den Valdron, this isn’t a discussion about Zionism and I’m not an asshole. Thanks.

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  51. Pissed Off American says:

    “1. The pro-Israel Lobby is like any other one.”
    “2. The Lobby’s backers have no more power than other pressure groups.”
    You’re a God damned liar.

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  52. Pissed Off American says:

    Feith, Zell, Salem Chalabi, and Ahmed Chalabi, scumbags of epic proportions. Sheer unadulterated evil fucking scum, the perfect qualifications for being involved with the Bush Administration’s treasonous adventure in Iraq.
    http://www.saudia-online.com/zogbi/2004/zogbi2.shtml

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  53. Den Valdron says:

    Ack, yet another perfectly good thread ruined by the pro- and anti- zionists.
    Get a room, assholes.

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  54. Carroll says:

    Posted by Offended American Jew at February 9, 2007 07:08 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Oh get lost…everyone sees thru your routine.
    You offend the real progressive jews…like the ones at:
    http://www.muzzlewatch.org/
    Jews dedicated to stopping censorship of the Israeli question re Palestine and the US….and too bad for your kind, there are more (jews that is)where these came from.

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  55. Den Valdron says:

    Actually no, there’s quite a bit of evidence that AIPAC is not just another lobby group like every other one. Certainly in terms of its influence and aggressive approach, it is unique. It may also be unique in its connections to foreign intelligence agencies.
    US behaviour in the middle east is not the same as it practices worldwide. We don’t see the United States occupying Chile or the Phillipines.
    US and Israeli interests coincide, but there is nothing natural or inevitable about this. Economically, there is no ‘coincidence’ of interests. Israel has no oil or strategic minerals or resources, it does not occupy a particular strategic point, and it represents a substantial drain on US resources – to the tune of over four billion a year. It does not significantly advance any US foreign policy goal, and in fact, the Israeli/US relationship costs the US substantial credibility among muslims who see the US not as an honest broker, but as an ally to a state which threatens them and oppresses its muslim own population.
    Israel is indeed a tool of the US, but vice versa applies. In the case of the Lebanese war, its clear that the US which provided money, jet fuel and munitions on an emergency basis and worked to obstruct peace initiatives was a tool of Israel policy.
    I tend to agree that the Iraq War and threats to Iran and Syria are based principally in American military and industrial policy. That said, Israel is hardly a neutral observer… its interests, as you note, coincide. It is in the role of encouraging or exacerbating conflict, egging the big player on. It may assume the role of willing tool in a preventive attack.
    All too often, I have noted that charges of Anti-Semitism are an abusive dodge. It’s an attempt to shut down discussion with an unbeatable personal attack. As such, I have come to distrust its use on any but the most egregious cases.

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  56. Marky says:

    Disagree completely that Israel and the US interests coincide. Far from it! The reason Iran is about to be attacked is that Israel is hostile to Iran.
    The Iranian people are very pro-american, and Iran is a natural potential ally. The Saudis are the source of our worst problems—not the Iranians.
    Were it not for Israel, the US and Iran could easily make a rapprochement.
    This is not to say that we should ditch Israel, but there is DEFINITELY a conflict of interests.

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  57. DonS says:

    Offended Am Jew,
    Anti semitism is regularly called out here.
    Ther Chertoff remark may or may not have been.
    The screen ‘name’ “. . .” is difficult to identify.
    But you took the bait in any case and like I said, the regulars here are a far cry from anti-semitic, although they are regularly accused of that by the rw zionist flack.

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  58. Easy E says:

    Noam Chomsky: “The Lobby succeeds because its interests coincide with those of the U.S.”
    True. But Feith’s primary interest is Israel and he is willingly being used as a tool by the U.S. to achieve its Empire interests—which coincide with Israel/Zionist interest of eliminating Iran as a “threat”.
    See Feith Profile http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1146

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  59. Offended American Jew says:

    DonS,
    Believe it or not, I don’t have a bottom line. I”ve been reading this blog for some time, but I am a new contributor. I simply could not remain silent after reading the posts I referenced above. Calling out Chertoff because he happens to be Jewish was the final straw.
    As I already wrote, I agree with the points that Noam Chomsky makes and that Easy E posted above. I will cut and paste them below, because I truly think he’s right.
    1. The pro-Israel Lobby is like any other one.
    2. The Lobby’s backers have no more power than other pressure groups.
    3. The Lobby succeeds because its interests coincide with those of the US.
    4. Israel is a tool of the US empire and used as needed.
    5. “Big Oil” and the “military-industrial complex” are the major forces shaping Middle East policy.
    6. US and Israeli interests usually coincide.
    7. The Iraq war and threats to Iran and Syria stem from the “oil interests” and “military-industrial complex.”
    8. US behavior in the Middle East is the same as what it practices worldwide.
    Maybe I am oversensitive, but the Israel/Jewish demagoguery that regularly goes unchecked in the progressive community does seem to be anti-semitic in nature to me. Show me any country or people who are so regularly accused of wrongdoing in such a vicious and vitriolic way.

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  60. DonS says:

    Offended American Jew,
    We are all a bit touchy, myself included. Overall, I am convinced that any hope for pulling out of the foreign policy mess we are in depends on reducing AIPAC(rw Israeli)/neocon influence on the on the policy (congressional and executive) of the US government. That may also be best for the long term interests of Israel. But that’s not my main concern since I’m an American. Do you agree?
    Yes, perhaps I’ve shifted ground here, but I’m trying to ask you what your bottom line is, since I have am not familiar with your previous posts here.

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  61. SpouseOfAmericanJew says:

    I would suggest that some of the people on this thread who question what is happening to the Al Aqsa mosque (and there are cracks appearing in the walls of the mosque due to Israel digging underneath it) watch Israeli TV and also watch Mosaic.
    Mosaic is on Link TV: it is news from Middle East broadcasters translated into English, it includes news from Israeli broadcasters.
    Today it aired various broadcasts showing how Israel has blocked access to the Al Aqsa mosque (go to http://www.antiwar.com for more information).
    Even the Israeli broadcasters and the Israeli papers are admitting that Israel’s actions in terms of the Israeli construction done around the mosque is a deliberate provocation.
    But don’t trust me, watch the Israeli news, Arab news and Iranian news for yourselves on Mosaic. Again, it’s translated into English.
    You can stream Mosaic off the internet at:
    http://tinyurl.com/2yneua
    If Israel doesn’t cut it out it’s heading towards a major falls and the children in my family, who already feel persecuted for being “half-Jews” will only feel more pain.

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  62. Offended American Jew says:

    DonS,
    Sorry, but i wasn’t aware of the fact that I’d been cloned. And no, I don’t plan on calling you any names, but I do think that the two posts I’ve referenced above are ignorant to say the least.
    I mean, c’mon, “destroying the foundation of the Al-Aqsa mosque”?!
    That would be pretty strange behavior on the part of the israeli’s since the foundations of the mosque are the TEMPLE!
    I happen to agree with the points that Noam Chomsky nakes above (posted by Easy E).

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  63. DonS says:

    Dear Offended American Jew,
    The time has passed when we are cowered by you feigned outrage and attempts to hurl anti-semitism at us. If you had the slightest degree of honesty, you would acknowledge the degree to which neocon/Israeli allieance has disproportionately influece foreign policy to the detriment of the U.S. That you have only ranted your outrage betrays your real colors. Take your own advice and go away. BTW, your clones have already called me every kind of self hating, ghetto-minded Jew imaginable, so don’t even bother.
    — Another Offended American Jew

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  64. Easy E says:

    ***Iraq had no WMD and Iran is no nuclear threat to the U.S. It’s all about U.S. Empire, Big Oil and PetroDollar Warfare***
    Noam Chomsky could very well be right:
    1. The pro-Israel Lobby is like any other one.
    2. The Lobby’s backers have no more power than other pressure groups.
    3. The Lobby succeeds because its interests coincide with those of the US.
    4. Israel is a tool of the US empire and used as needed.
    5. “Big Oil” and the “military-industrial complex” are the major forces shaping Middle East policy.
    6. US and Israeli interests usually coincide.
    7. The Iraq war and threats to Iran and Syria stem from the “oil interests” and “military-industrial complex.”
    8. US behavior in the Middle East is the same as what it practices worldwide.
    “…Similar to the Iraq war, military operations against Iran relate to the macroeconomics of ‘petrodollar recycling’ and the unpublicized but real challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency…”
    Read more in PETRODOLLAR WARFARE: DOLLARS, EUROS AND THE UPCOMING IRANIAN OIL BOURSE
    http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html

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  65. Offended American Jew says:

    And I just scrolled down to the following:
    “Now, Israel is not only destroying the Al Asqa mosque (OK, OK, Israel is not DESTROYING the mosque itself, just its foundation) in a deliberate attempt to enrage the entire Islamic world, it is also, yet again, deliberately provoking Lebanon. With the intent, I would guess given Israel’s history, of provoking an attack on USRAEL .
    “The world is at a crisis point: that a tiny little apartheid, terrorist, rogue state should have brought us to this point via blackmail, bribes and threats, is bullsh*t. The only thing that can save the world from an all out nuclear war is we, the American people, demanding that our representatives take care of our interests first, before these deliberate provocations by Israel and its lackeys in the U.S. government, plunge us into utter and irreversible devastation.”
    Disgusting. Hateful. Ignorant.
    There seems to be no point in continuing to read these comments.
    These folks represent the ABSOLUTE WORST that we Progressives have to offer! Thank God this is only a fringe element with no substantial following.

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  66. oofda says:

    The Chertoff comment could have been phrased better to say the least, but there are serious questions about his previous job as a federal prosecutor and his lack of prosecution of Israeli nationals. At times, one wonders where his allegiences lie. Further, questions have been raised about his being a dual-national–U.S. and Israel. It is his actions, not his heritage that raise questions. There mere fact that he is of Jewish heritage certainly should not be raised to question his allegience and that is offensive.

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  67. Offended American Jew says:

    Michael Chertoff- jewish, what a coincidence..
    Posted by: … at February 9, 2007 03:35 PM
    This is a disgusting insinuation and as a Jewish American (who happens to have opposed this administration from the beginning) I find it highly offensive!

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  68. ExBrit says:

    I just listened to Mark Shields and David Brooks discussing this very issue on the Lehrer Report. Brooks, ingenuously, says “I don’t understand what all the fuss is about!” WHAT?? WHAT?? Shields was appropriately angry, but the line the right is evidently prepared to take is feigning innocence and ‘genuine’ astonishment that anyone should be even mildly upset. Is the country prepared to let them?

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  69. NotHere says:

    Let’s teach the neocons a lesson before they kill our children, as well as more Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis, Afghans, Somalis, etc., and ad nauseam, again.
    And of course, the Iranians.
    It is our responsibility to stop the pro-Israel lobbies.
    Here is the link to the phone number of Douglas Feith’s current employer, Georgetown University.
    The number for Georgetown’s *Human* (or in the case of Feith, UN-HUMAN) Resource Office:
    202 687 2440
    Here’s the link:
    http://www3.georgetown.edu/hr/about/contact.html
    I would also suggest that everyone here, especially Steve, check out the report Shlomo Brom, who was head of the Israeli Defense Forces intelligence, did for the Jaffee Center at Tel Aviv University.
    Here is an article on Brom’s study:
    http://tinyurl.com/8ee2f
    Brom admitted that Israel fed the U.S. false information in the run-up to our invasion of Iraq.
    Now, Israel is not only destroying the Al Asqa mosque (OK, OK, Israel is not DESTROYING the mosque itself, just its foundation) in a deliberate attempt to enrage the entire Islamic world, it is also, yet again, deliberately provoking Lebanon. With the intent, I would guess given Israel’s history, of provoking an attack on USRAEL .
    Oh ye patriotic Americans, call your congressional representatives, tell them to GET ISRAEL THE HELL OUT OF OUR FOREIGN POLICY and STOP ALL AID TO ISRAEL.
    The world is at a crisis point: that a tiny little apartheid, terrorist, rogue state should have brought us to this point via blackmail, bribes and threats, is bullsh*t. The only thing that can save the world from an all out nuclear war is we, the American people, demanding that our representatives take care of our interests first, before these deliberate provocations by Israel and its lackeys in the U.S. government, plunge us into utter and irreversible devastation.

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  70. tucker's bow tie says:

    Like that photograph – it suggests that ‘the most stupid f*$&!%g man in the world’ mimicked John “10 stories” Bolton right down to rearranging his glasses.
    Poetic justice.

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  71. Dennis says:

    Steve, the more I look at this, the madder I get.
    “It seems to clear Feith of acting illegally or without authorization…no one seems to be clearly accountable for the errors upon errors inside the Pentagon.”
    WHAT?!
    Are we to suppose then that all of the actions leading up to an unnecessary war were hatched and passed up the chain of command by an unknown custodian working in the basement of the Pentagon?
    Someone IS RESPONSIBLE for the lost 3,000 American lives in Iraq plus the costs in “good will” around the world and for the enormous financial costs to American citizens.
    You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

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  72. Dennis says:

    Woe is me! Woe is us! No heads will roll when all is said and done; not when members of Congress hide behind, “If I/we had known before Iraq what I/we know now, I/we wouldn’t have voted for this war.”
    THEY KNEW!!! THEY KNEW!!! THEY KNEW!!!
    The average American on the street “KNEW”.
    You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

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  73. Carol Gee says:

    “Accountability,” let me count the ways: Level I – Exposure, Censure, Diminished Reputation, Gossip, Oversight, Editorial, Refusal of Tenure, Level II – IG Report, Special Prosecutor, Indictment, Trial, Conviction. Incarceration.
    Level I has possibilities. Who can think of additions?

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  74. Alex says:

    The saga of the “Smartest Guys in the Room” (just like Enron) continues on.
    The taxpayers just like the Enron employees are left holding the bill.
    Say what you will, but the US isn’t worth the effort anymore.

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  75. selise says:

    only the report summary has been declassified. luckily, in the senate armed forces committee hearing today senator levin (i think it was him – there was only an audio stream) said that he was going to try to get the full report declassified.
    i hope he can do it… would really like to read the whole thing.

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  76. DonS says:

    “Israel, US sign homeland security pact”
    So this will avoid any repeat of the embarrassing situation where AIPAC gets criticized as itermidary for the passing of information. Now we’ll just do it directly. “Legally”. You know, authorized by your AIPAC-owned government in action.

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  77. ... says:

    Michael Chertoff- jewish, what a coincidence..

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  78. Carroll says:

    And here is your next Feith like operation on the way……can you imagine any country in the world letting SOME OTHER country set up a office and share all their security information within their OWN security agencies? I can’t. Actually though I remember last year that Sen. Feinstein was the one who wanted to set up this Isralei office in the DHS.
    Feb. 7, 2007 23:35 | Updated Feb. 8, 2007 4:58
    Israel, US sign homeland security pact
    By REBECCA ANNA STOIL
    Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter and his US counterpart, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, signed a joint memorandum in Washington DC on Wednesday evening, setting a series of goals and terms for security collaboration between the two nations.
    The joint understanding included partnership on flight security, including passenger and cargo inspection and information sharing on the topic of emergency planning, response, recovery and damage control. The understanding also encompassed sharing of research and development progress in the field of explosives detection.
    In addition, Israel and the US will share information about steps taken to neutralize, respond to and reduce terror and criminal activities in specific fields and will also hold joint training and staff exchanges.
    Dichter had previously described the agreement as “a breakthrough signing of an understandings agreement [with the US] for the war on terror and establishing cooperation between the Internal Security Ministry and the Department of Homeland Security.”
    A preliminary document signed by both Dichter and Chertoff took pains to describe that “the meeting was held in a friendly and constructive atmosphere and with a spirit of mutual understanding” and with complete agreement “that there exists a vital need to promote operational, scientific and technological cooperation between the parties in the field of homeland security.”
    The two parties agreed that a Homeland Security Steering Committee will meet at least once a year in order to make sure that the clauses of the memorandum are carried out. The committee, which will be led by Public Security Ministry Director Ronny Falk, was also tasked with defining, setting forth and ratifying “broad, substantive priority areas for the joint activities within the framework of the memorandum.” Specific desks will be set up at the nations’ respective embassies to make sure that the cooperation and information flows freely. ”
    >>>>>>>
    Yea, I bet the information “flows freely” all right. This country is insane to allow this.

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  79. Carroll says:

    Memo to all the families of the dead and mangled US military and the dead Iraq civilians.
    Form your own special operations team and assassinate these sob’s, you won’t get justice any other way.
    You don’t have a goverment, don’t wait for it to do the job.
    And while you are at it Burn Washington to the Ground and Start Over.

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  80. oofda says:

    Feith has now come out with an explanation of the intel put forth by the OSP. He now claims to not having endorsed the intel. Oh, and it wasn’t “intel” but instead an “alternative intelligence assessment.” Franks was right- and what is Georgetown thinking?
    “This was not “alternative intelligence assessment.” It was from the start a criticism of the consensus of the intelligence community, and in presenting it I was not endorsing its substance.”

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  81. parrot says:

    Let me ask this. Why did the inspector general wait so long to release this report? There were complaints at the Pentagon back in 2002 about the OSP. I think we have to look at the IG offices for a clarification of what would be illegal under the various Intelligence acts for the Pentagon to do with regard to the gathering and analysis of intelligence.

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  82. steambomb says:

    ~~~The inspector general described Feith’s activities as “an alternative intelligence assessment process.”~~~
    This guy gave dubya an altered state of reality and Dubya didn’t even have to take a drink. That was sooo wrong. I would have been happy enough to provide the beer. Perhaps we would be in a better position in the world tody if I had.

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  83. JoMoHo says:

    [ESaund]
    Please don’t tell me that you equate legality and accountability. True, this is the rule of journalism under which Republicans operate – the only way a Republican is put out of action is when they are serving jail sentences. Just look at all the graduates of Iran Contra, Watergate, etc., that continue to get government jobs.
    [/ESaund]
    Another symptom of a dying hegemon: the US is too far down the slippery slope to recover. It will rot from the inner core as all great empires have done in the past (invading barbarians only win against a great power because the conditions are ripe within the latter). Hegemonitis is inevitable and incurable.

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  84. steambomb says:

    ~~~well done, georgetown.
    Posted by linda at February 9, 2007 12:58 PM ~~~
    Someone with extra money and some time that feels the way we do should get a seat in his class just to ask damaging questions day after day after day. Fuck the studying who needs a passing grade when you can show off your patriotism.

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  85. steambomb says:

    ~~~”Inappropriate” But Not Illegal~~~
    I’m sorry I can’t recall…..
    Ronald Reagan Iran Contra hearings.
    The wheels go round and round.

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  86. linda says:

    of course there are no charges to be brought against feith. he has a career path to pursue — where is he now, you may wonder. he’s landed a cushy spot at georgetown university’s school of foreign service. i mean, why should his role in one of the greatest strategic disasters in this country prevent him from passing on that knowledge and experience to future foreign service personnel.
    well done, georgetown.

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  87. DonS says:

    Sy Hersh saw all of this long before the Inspector General got around to looking. Patent illegality is a pretty low standard for accountability. Fact may be that THIS administration sure won’t hold anyone accounctable, except for scapegoating purposes, but that does not mean there are not avenues for accountability. If we had a media worth its name, disgrace and shame would be heaped on Feith and those of his ilk.
    Matter of fact, I would be all for getting these folks into court for treason — even if ultimately unsustainable, which I am not so sure about, if one followed the trail into the eschalons of the Israeli government. It may be the only way to get the public’s attention. Serious congressional hearings would be a good first step.

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  88. Easy E says:

    The remaining neocons in the White House (i.e. Elliott Abrams & David Wurmser)are “fixing” to trigger U.S. WAR AGAINST IRAN.
    And Congress just looks the other way.

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  89. Dick Durata says:

    Feith was clearly acting under the authority of the Vice President, whatever that is.

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  90. ESaund says:

    You say: “It seems to clear Feith of acting illegally or without authorization — which promulgates the reality that no one seems to be clearly accountable for the errors upon errors inside the Pentagon.”
    Please don’t tell me that you equate legality and accountability. True, this is the rule of journalism under which Republicans operate – the only way a Republican is put out of action is when they are serving jail sentences. Just look at all the graduates of Iran Contra, Watergate, etc., that continue to get government jobs.
    Yet on the other hand, even the suggestion of the slightest blemish is distorted beyond belief. I won’t bother to enumerate all the instances – just look at the coverage of the Pelosi jet “scandal” for a really silly example.
    This double standard has to end. While the distortion that took place may not be strictly illegal, nontheless we have to ensure that it never happens again. And that will happen only when bad actors like Feith are ostracized from civil discourse.

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  91. Easy E says:

    Pentagon Report Finds Killing Over 600,000 Iraqis (For Israel) “Inappropriate” But Not Illegal
    http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/610

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  92. Stygius says:

    Steve,
    Rockefeller seems interested in going after Feith for break the National Security Act for operating his intelligence shop out of the system and without reporting to Congress.
    Didn’t Bolton do or try to do the same thing when he was in State. Maybe Rockefeller’s folks ought to revisit that one too.

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  93. liz says:

    so when are we bombing Iran?

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  94. John says:

    So Steve, are you eventually going to tell us what insiders are saying about the real reasons for going into Iraq? We hear the steady drum beat of fabrication, essentially proving over and over again that it was all a pack of lies.
    And while you’re at it, would you please tell us what insiders are whispering about the real reasons for attacking Iran? Hint: it’s not nuclear weapons for there is no imminent danger or urgency.
    I’m astounded and frankly disgusted by all the talk about pretenses, false pretenses, and proven false pretenses. It’s time for those “vital strategic interests” to be exposed. Only then can we make a true judgement about whether the emperor has any clothes or not.

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  95. oofda says:

    Light should also be shined on the activities of Abram “Abe” Shulsky, who formerly headed the OSP. He is now reportedly involved in a Pentagon organization called the Iranian Directorate or Iran Desk, which functions very much like the OSP. In fact, at least two former OSP workers, Ladan Archin and John Trigilio, followed him over to the Iran Desk. Shulsky was heavily involved in the cooked intel that the OSP passed, and it doesn’t take a vivid imagination to see how he could be doing the same with Iran. When reviewing the actions of OSP, Dr. Shulsky should not be overlooked, as he was at the heart of the operation.

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  96. Beth Washington says:

    I know we got Libby, lets hope we can only continue these trials with Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Elliot Abrams, Dov Zakheim, David Wurmser, Donald Rumsfeld and many others, to expose the real crime of the century. These men intentionally mislead a paranoid White House that Iraq, not al Qaeda, was the main threat to the US. This group pushed our country to war, not to protect the American people from terrorism, but to be an active participant in a dream for a greater Israel. When this war in Iraq is done, over a million Iraqis will have perished, thousands of Americans will be dead with tens of thousands more wounded, lets pray that justice will be served to these traitors.

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  97. Brian says:

    The report was more damning than I expexed, but not as harsh as it should have been.
    The true intellegence gathering authorities got it right.
    These Israel firsters put out pure BS and the US will pay for it for years to come in so many ways.
    They should be tried for treason.

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  98. gq says:

    Thank god we had a brave warrior like Chuck Hagel in the Senate to request this kind of information when the GOP was in the majority.

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