Conservatives Against Sarah Palin: The List is Growing

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I wonder what George W. Bush really, really, really thinks about Sarah Palin. . .I can’t imagine Laura Bush thinking much of her, but that’s my own speculation.
There are more and more top line conservatives who are either publicly stating that Sarah Palin is not nearly prepared or qualified to be President of the United States (nor Vice President) or they are expressing grave doubts about her.
Conservative columnist George Will has joined the growing chorus telling Senate aides that Palin is “obviously” not prepared to assume the presidency.
Others include conservative columnists Kathleen Parker and former Bush White House speechwriter and American Enterprise Institute Resident Fellow David Frum (who must be having an awkward time with Palin-promoter Bill Kristol).
And Kristol pal, David Brooks, has also come out expressing severe reservations about Palin in his New York Times piece, “Why Experience Matters“.
Senator Chuck Hagel has also been an early critic of Palin — and more recently conservative firebrand Charles Krauthammer has articulated that Palin is a rookie and not ready for the White House.
And let’s not forget former former Senator Lincoln Chafee (who has formally left the Republican Party and become an Independent) who was very dismissive of Palin and called her a “cocky whacko.”
George Will, Kathleen Parker, David Frum, Senator Chuck Hagel, former Senator Lincoln Chafee, Charles Krauthammer. . .Who else should be added to this list?
The Biden-Palin debate Thursday night should be a huge draw. Digital City has just published a roster of viewing parties around the country and notes that these parties are beginning to look like what sports evenings are in the country.
I’ll actually be watching and blogging the vice presidential debate live — and then watching again Friday night in Vienna, Austria with the Austria chapter of Democrats Abroad and speaking after.
More later. Off to Salzburg.
— Steve Clemons

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51 comments on “Conservatives Against Sarah Palin: The List is Growing

  1. waiting to exhale says:

    Interesting comments…I think it is clear that Palin was chosen in a very cynical manner, to solidify the conservative base, and steal a few, though not many,of the pissed-off Hillary supporters…But, clearly, being Mayor of Wasilla and Governor of Alaska (really like a large city, more than a state) is not the same as being a U.S. Senator. Arguing over who has the most “experience” is just silly, both are accomplished individuals, but becoming a U.S. Senator is obviously more difficult than becoming Governor of Alaska. Especially for a black man. And experience ain’t all its cracked up to be….Bush has had 8 years…I am tired of comments about Obama injecting race, he can’t avoid it now, can he? He hasn’t said anything about it directly, nor has McSame, but there still is that elephant in the room…Watch for comments about his being “unamerican”, or an affirmative action beneficiary, for the codified racism therein…About the lending fiasco, the Wall Street debacle our great-grandkids will be paying off, there is clearly enough blame to go around, but don’t blame the poor who wanted to realize the American dream and were told they could, by unscrupulous lenders who had dollar signs twinkling in their eyes…The two parties need to find common ground, the rhetoric has become so extreme, liberal vs. conservative, with each side villifying the other, its a toxic enviornment and just bogs down the whole system, which is terribly inefficient and a bureaucratic mess to begin with…Remember, the columnists and pundits argue their points to entertain,and sell, and Americans should ignore all the attacks on the candidates from both sides, close their eyes and ears and just read what each candidate is saying, what they believe should be done, then use their brains, and not their hearts (or other parts of their anatomy) to decide. Word!

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  2. Paul Norheim says:

    “While POA engages in hyperbole almost as much as the rest of
    us, he, more often than not, is the first to note and challenge
    the fundamental flaws in his ideological opponents’ rationales,
    reasoning and arguments.” (arthurdecco)
    Well, Arthur, I would say that “almost as much” is an
    understatement regarding POA`s hyperboles. But the funny
    thing is, as I`ve said a couple of times before, that POA`s
    fundamental positions are surprisingly moderate, sound and
    very common sense.
    Is Steve Clemons a “progressive centrist” or a “conservative
    centrist”? Who knows – perhaps both? But too me, POA has
    always represented the center. It`s as simple as that. And his
    “radicalism” has nothing to do with his positions; more with his
    spectacular, polemical language; but most with his efforts to
    concentrate on the root causes of the current madness and his
    old fashioned, stubborn moralism.
    Who knows… if the American elites in politics and media
    weren`t such extreme cowards and reckless lunatics as they`ve
    been for the last seven years or more, POA may indeed have
    been a rather boring and uninteresting commentator. When the
    center is perceived as extreme, we`re in trouble.
    Please read this more as a comment about our times than about
    one, among the many pissed off Americans.

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  3. arthurdecco says:

    Re: Posted by rich Oct 01, 9:38AM
    Wonderful post.
    I sent an email to George Will last year saying much the same things as you about the consequences of his eloquent use of language in support of the Bush Administration’s disastrous policies and asked him if was prepared to accept some of the responsibility for what was surely to follow in the United States if those policies were allowed to continue unchallenged by the influential.
    He never replied.
    Imagine that.
    Tahoe Editor… one person’s “bacteria mouth” is another’s Sage.
    Anyone can choose to become a megaphone for political and social irrationality, or conversely, anyone can choose to call a spade a spade in the hope that someone influential will pay some attention to the facts of the argument rather than the hyperbole many of us prefer to champion because it’s easier for us than real discreet thinking.
    While POA engages in hyperbole almost as much as the rest of us, he, more often than not, is the first to note and challenge the fundamental flaws in his ideological opponents’ rationales, reasoning and arguments. That = sage to me.
    I restrict calling another person a “bacteria mouth’ to those who consistently poison the conversation.
    And that’s not ever POA.

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  4. Tahoe Editor says:

    EDITORIAL: Risky loans
    Washington encouraged banks to overextend themselves
    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/29991304.html

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  5. questions says:

    Tahoe, the blame the Black folks for risky loans meme doesn’t fly…. Predatory lending is not the same as extending credit where there is mild risk. Lying about fees, balloon payments, the worth of a loan, the reasonableness of folding credit card debt into a re-mortgage on an ALREADY paid off home… all of these sales tools were used. Giving mortgages NINA (no income, no assets) is NOT the same as stopping redlining. The refusal to loan for purchases in certain neighborhoods is what reformers wanted. No one was calling for stated income/no income/pay what you feel like/ ARMs and the like. These lousy mortgages were given out to the ignorant, to speculators, to house flippers. As long as the market was rising all was seemingly well. Markets can’t rise forever. And the decline in housing prices is hitting not just subprime borrowers, but everyone who has value tied up in a home. Please look more at the scholarship on this and less at the rhetoric.
    If you want to see a more major cause, look at the disposal of risk. You broker a mortgage and sell it instantly. Pocket the commission and move on. You have no market incentive to make sure the mortgage is sound because you sell it. And then the buyer slices it and resells it. No one assumes any risk. Risk ends up in Derridean-style endless deferral. It’s never an event, never a phenomenon. Not good. And certainly not the doing of Obama, ACORN, or Black folks….
    YIKES!

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  6. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Gads, can you imagine being such a dolt that you would continue to endorse Palin, despite the obvious fact of her ignorance, corruption, and unsuitability?
    Tahoe’s task is an unenviable one, but if anyone is up to such a blatantly dishonest endeavor, Tahoe is.

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  7. questions says:

    The independent who ran against Palin has a piece out about how she just never answers any questions — she deflects the question to something she knows better — typical undergrad strategy: Hobbes’s theory of the war of all against all shouldn’t be confused with the Chocolate War, a book I read when I was in elementary school. Now the Chocolate War is all about….. — YIKES. And if you listen to her answers to EVERYthing, this “verbage” is precisely what she delivers. So, will the media call her on it? Does it even matter at this point given Obama’s lead in the polls?
    Tahoe, Steve is TPM predictable because, no matter how you slice it, 2+2=4. There are some objective truths here and there. Palin is not competent, she’s ignorant and uncurious. Nevermind experience issues, she’s just ignorant. Repub deregulation is bad bad bad. When people pursue “enlightened” self-interest to the exclusion of any thought of social good, there will be traumatic social upheaval. There are, without government intervention, all sorts of rational incentives to behave in this fashion. That’s why we do government. (Read your Hobbes again. It’s worth the trip.)
    Note that the financial mess we’re in, and the international mess we’re in, and the environmental mess we’re in, have come about largely because people have pursued rational self-interest without any external check on behavior. Now we’re all being checked.

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  8. Tahoe Editor says:

    No … it’s because Steve has approached TPM predictability at times. I’m quite sure it has nothing to do with your bacteria mouth.

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  9. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “I’ve spent less time with TWN in recent weeks as Steve’s position hardens to the point that real questions and real debate are no longer forthcoming when it comes to the presidential election”
    ROFLMAO!!! You sure it ain’t because people have wised up to the fact you’re a script reading jackass, and are becoming increasingly prone to telling you so?
    However, Tahoe, theres no evidence you’re a wife beater, so you must be one, eh?

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  10. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Bitterrooter”…..
    Are you familiar withg the Selway Bitteroot area, or does your monicker mean something else?
    I didn’t look at the article from the Netherlands, as I was trying to head out to work. Still haven’t looked at it. Why read satire about Palin when you can get a good laugh just watching her make a ginny of herself?

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  11. easy e says:

    ***FRIGHTENING***
    We are entering the Twilight Zone………..
    McCain: I routinely turn to Palin for foreign policy advice.»
    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/01/mccain-palin-advice/
    Sarah Mania! Sarah Palin’s Greatest Hits
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E&eurl=http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
    Palin On Whether Global Warming Is Man-Made: ‘Kinda Doesn’t Matter’»
    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/01/palin-global-warming/
    Palin: Being Gay Is A ‘Choice’»
    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/01/palin-gay-choice/

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  12. Kathleen says:

    POA…I just heard Sarah Palin on CNN, saying it was time for Joe SixPack to be represented in the White house….
    Meanwhile, back at the booskstack…
    Who Says Palin Doesn’t Read? — Sarah’s Top 10 Newspapers/Magazines
    By Don Davis
    10. NON-READERS DIGEST
    9. THE RUSSIAN OBSERVER
    8. THE JUNEAU JUNO
    7. SNOWMOBILE AND DRIVER
    6. POPULAR CREATIONISM
    5. BETTER IGLOOS AND TUNDRA
    4. UN-COSMOPOLITAN
    3. NEWSWEAK
    2. THE WASILLA FLAT WORLD-TELEGRAM
    1. THE NEW YORK REVIEW OF BOOK BURNING

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  13. Tahoe Editor says:

    Actually, he wishes he picked her much earlier. He’d have more money.
    We’ll see. Tomorrow night will be fun.

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  14. ToddinHB says:

    Let me repeat:
    Palin is a mile wide and an inch deep. McCain will watch tomorrow’s debate and wish that he could have unveiled her on Oct. 29. Such is life… and presidential politics.

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  15. Punchy says:

    POA–
    You did see that link you sent was specifically labeled, “fake news”, right?

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  16. marvin says:

    Hey, Tahoe Editor.
    1) Gwen Ifil is a pro and she will undoubtedly announce she has written a book about people of color who have advanced in the American political system — people all Americans should admire. Just as we all admire Ms. Malkin.
    2) What is the name of this statute that Scarborough claims codifies the lower lending standards? What paragraph defines the new standards?

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  17. Bethie says:

    Oooh I hit the trifecta. Good for me! And as an added bonus I get one “blame the poor” and a quote from both Joe Scar and Mighty Mouse Milkin.
    Thanks for playing TE.

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  18. Tahoe Editor says:

    Kudos to JoeS for getting “Barney Frank” and “pervert” in the same sentence.
    Joe Scarborough: THIS IS THE BIG LIE of this story. That it happened because of deregulation, that it was Republicans who said, “Let’s strip away the regulation.” This happened because in 1999 DEMOCRATS decided they wanted people who couldn’t afford homes or didn’t have good credit — they wanted them to get homes. They lowered the standards artificially, and forced banks to take their loans. That had a ripple effect. It started with low income, then it went to middle income, then it went to upper income. This started not because of Republican deregulation — because I guarantee you this wouldn’t have been pushed by a Republican president, it wouldn’t have been pushed by a Republican speaker, it wouldn’t have been pushed by a Republican majority leader. And ASK BILL CLINTON — it’s laid at the hands of people like Barney Frank & Nancy Pelosi, who were the champions of this. So if it’s deregulation, it’s this Democratic deregulation, where they go to Fannie & Freddie and say, “You know what, even if they can’t qualify for the loans — under normal market conditions, which we have faith in, yes, I do have faith in the free market — but the free market was PERVERTED by people like BARNEY FRANK and NANCY PELOSI (AND BARACK OBAMA) who said, “Even if they can’t afford houses, you give it to them.”
    Bill Clinton: I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress, or by me when I was president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

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  19. Kathleen says:

    Bethieeeee…good one….I’m afraid there’s only one prize tho, the Booby Prize, which we’ll all win….when people vote against their own interests, repeatedly, it’s hard to believe this one will be different…..it could happen…

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  20. Tahoe Editor says:

    Bethie, had you been paying more attention, you know I’m not a Clinton blamer. But Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank & Obama are another story. “Republican incompetence” isn’t so much to blame as Obama & Co.’s lawsuits against banks that didn’t make the risky loans the Democrats demanded.
    I’ve spent less time with TWN in recent weeks as Steve’s position hardens to the point that real questions and real debate are no longer forthcoming when it comes to the presidential election.

    Michelle Malkin recommends that Sarah Palin open her debate remarks by congratulating Ifill on her book and asking her to tell everyone the title. That would sure be a zinger! I’m hoping she asks Joe Biden to explain to the American people how bad the Alaska Pipeline has been for the country and if he’s endorsing Al Gore’s call for civil disobedience to stop coal production in America and leave it to the Chinese.

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  21. Bethie says:

    Ah Tahoe…did we give you hope that all is not lost…that maybe…just maybe she will fool most of the people most of the next 5 weeks.
    I wonder…are you really that hopeful that this women does become the next VP. Does incompetence really appeal to you so much? Although we have seen so much less of you lately now that the GOP has gone all in, I’d guess that it is hard work to delude yourself that Republican incompetence hasn’t come home to roost. Does it really take a long time in the morning to convience yourself to continue the fight??
    Ooh ooh…let me guess…..IT’S ALL (pick one:
    A.CLINTON’S B.Pelosi’s C.The Democrat’s D.All of the above) FAULT.
    What do I win TE???

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  22. Tosk says:

    Palin is unqualified, but all the fussing from conservatives has nothing to do with her. It’s a function of the fact that McCain is going down in flames – conservatives recognizing this are trying to set up a “fire wall” by hanging her out to dry… So, when the inevitable loss occurs it will suddenly be because of her and not McCain or the ‘movement.’

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  23. rich says:

    Bethie,
    I think you’re right. Palin has clearly perfected the Reaganesque deflection and Rovian nonanswer, deploying many rhetorical techniques we’ve seen from Bush in controlled appearances much more adeptly than many want to recognize.
    That’s gonna be appealing for the true believers and those finding comfort in cultural consonance.
    It’s entirely possible those factors may be overwhelmed by Gov. Palin’s record, her poor performance, and the general ridicule still in vogue despite it’s reckless application in past elections.
    But don’t for a minute count out voter obstinacy, warhawk cheerleaders, Republicans at risk under a new administration, the voter caging and voter roll purgings currently underway, or the sheer juggernaut stonewalling that’s always been the basis of REpublican campaigns.
    We just haven’t seen the last of Lindsey Graham’s brand of truth-twisting swill. Or the last of Obama-smearing advertisements. Republican operatives are still pushing the “Obama isn’t about our America” meme—which Palin’s selection neatly plays into.

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  24. Kathleen says:

    Carroll…..oooooh, that sounds juicy…maybe the “crisis” and need to hurry up and vote was that the FBI was hot on the trail of this bundle of bucks…..to be continued….

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  25. Bethie says:

    I think that we underestimate Palin at our peril. She may be poorly adept at handling Couric one-on-one but I think that she perfected the Joe six pack debate non-answer where all she really does is appeal to the attitude of resentment that is pervasive in this country. (google elite media) She is a perfect foil for an “us v them” debate style. If Gwen Ifill does not challange her non-answers more than Katie did, we have a problem. She needs to challange it and stop talking and let the silence just hang there. And when Palin gives BS answers, challange her again. Make her answer the question. But she is a TV journalist and will feel the need to fill up the silence or make her “guest” feel comfortable just like Lehrer. After so many non-answers by McCain he just said…let’s move on. Joe Biden can’t challange Palin and not be accused of beating up poor “just like me” hockey mom Palin. We know it’s coming. I hope that Ifill will actually take that head on but again I am not convienced that she will. And the media will run with it like they did the lipstick remark. It is cheap, easy sensational reporting and let’s them pretend this is serious stuff and not complete insanity.
    I just think that people on this board continually over estimate the public in general. Benny Hin and Joel Osteen still makes a ton of money exploiting these same people.

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  26. Carroll says:

    This is slightly off topic but worth knowing.
    Sen. Jim Webb was on the House floor yesterday and said that the FBI had identified somewhere around ‘4 trillion’ US dollars in off shore ‘secrecy’ accounts transfered from WS. 1.7 trillion is in the Cayman Islands and the rest in other banks abroad. He didn’t say if it was money from individuals or from companies, probably some of both.
    That would almost cover half of our national debt. If the next president wants to invade something I suggest he invade those accounts and send the Marines to get the money and give it to the treasury.

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  27. Steve Clemons says:

    Tony — great resource…thanks for sending this! I will put an update with it later on TWN. best, steve clemons

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  28. Kathleen says:

    Yeah, and Joe TwelvePack is gonna love Cindy’s brand of beer, too….My dictionary says that maverick is an unbranded calf that has strayed away from his herd…it says nothing about courage,honor, ingenuity, or originality….these days Maverick is the euphemism for scofflaw….
    Captain Gerriatric has not only strayed from his herd, he went around the bend and over the edge….his interference in the Alaska investigation into Palin’s actions is endemic to the Repug MO….cheating, lying, shredding is the grown-ups’ way to win.. the Honor System is for sissys……unless they can use it against you…
    At the moment, I’m painfully focused on the quote I posted weeks ago, of Gene McCarthy’s take on politics being like football coaching… you have to be smart enough to play the game and dumb enough to think it’s important…
    Right now I’m feeling pretty dumb. I relieve my distress by viewing the current ‘”goings-on” as political street theater….the movie of the week, held over by popular demand, is “The Hombre and the Sassy Lassy”… a story of how to turn a sow’s earmark into a silk road to nowhere….clippety-clop…flippety-flopping alonnnnn-ong…
    My sense of humor was in the ER, but thanks to SNL, The Daily Show and the Colbert Report, it’s got a chance…I think the Bill Clinton skits are pretty hilarious, too. truth be told, I went around the bend and over the edege, tooo but I’m not going to be anywhere near the big red button….

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  29. tony clements says:

    hey steve / friends.
    i don’t mean to be a blog whore, but here’s another list for ya –
    http://nomoremccain.blogspot.com/

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  30. Zathras says:

    The audience for NASCAR races will be a big part of the audience for Thursday night’s debate, because this event promises the same thing: the prospect of a wreck. A really big one.
    From Sen. McCain’s perspective, the pickings among potential running mates who could excite the majority of Republicans who still admire George Bush, but had not actually been closely associated with Bush, were pretty slim after eight years with Bush in the White House. Gov. Palin was what he came up with. And she has delivered, in terms of energizing a large number of Republicans who had always been distrustful of McCain because of his own past disagreements with Bush.
    The other side of that coin, of course, is Palin’s limited appeal to the great majority of Americans who do not feel George Bush has been a good President and who do not want to vote for a candidate who brings the same things to the table that he did eight years ago. Palin’s manifest ignorance and near-helplessness when not reading from a teleprompter reinforce this weakness, to the point where McCain would probably have had to consider dropping her from the ticket if the financial markets’ crisis had not been dominating the news for the last several weeks. We’ll see Thursday night if she can get by, or if there’s a really big wreck.
    Incidentally, Steve Clemons is really stretching a point in claiming Lincoln Chafee as a conservative. When Chafee was actually in the game, he never called himself a conservative, nor could he have and gotten elected Senator from heavily Democratic Rhode Island. I have to say also that Clemons’ list of “top-line conservatives” is fairly depressing, consisting as it does of aging newspaper columnists and retired backbenchers with whom he is personally acquainted. The top line of the party has gotten pretty badly depleted by this time.

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  31. Bitterrooter says:

    Pissed Off,
    To my eye, the Poligazette piece is clearly satire. I mean,”a witch’s curse caused Hillary to lose”?

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  32. rich says:

    POA,
    Not advocating for Palin.
    Pointing out that this is a sudden reverse-course from ably assisting nominally ‘qualified’ or ‘capable’ Republicans, who used the same profoundly misguided policies, and sold them using the same spin, stonewalling & pack o lies.
    That same attitude and that same approach was fine by virtually all moderate Republicans and conservative pundits. A few muttered on the sidelines, but none raised an unholy stink. Some murmured dissent; so though I can appreciate Lincoln Chafee’s change of heart, his subtle unhappiness hardly qualified as actual resistance. Vote your conscience, maybe, and shutting the hell up doesn’t strike me as the quintessential American man of principle. (Yeah, I know; I appreciate the guy; but let’s get real shall we?)
    POA, point is, who among those who facilitated these multiple disasters have taken any responsibility? Virtually none.
    So much easier to hang Sarah Palin, and watch John McCain’s slow-motion disaster of a campaign, than take responsibility for one’s own actions. That’d include David Ignatius, George Will, Jim Lehrer, Couric, Brooks. Didn’t really see them taking issue with Bush’s inability to lead honestly, capably, effectively, or in the right direction.
    Instead, it’s:
    “Hey, look at the bright shiny object!!! Boy is that Gov. Palin ever inexperienced!”
    Not like the child king from weak-Executive Texas, with a string of business failures under his belt that, you know, added so much to his credibility and capability.
    People vote for the Przntl nominee—not VeeP. Proven time and again, and unless the media grapples with John McCain directly, instead of by proxy, he may skate by with many voters based on his calculated branding, and his default status as a veteran. Palin’s a distraction, and has no more flaws, missteps or repugnant policy positions that Bill Kristol or Dick Cheney. She’s a classic Republican who learned exactly what the GOP’s been doing for 28 years and performed letter-for-letter according to that script.

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  33. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Also, the Juneau Empire, out of Alaska, is accusing the Alaska State Attorney General, Talis Colberg, of impeding the legislature’s investigation of Palin, and blocking state’s employees from testifying.
    Look, you take down Palin, and you will stop McCain in his tracks. And Palin is ALREADY entirely discredited, and exposed as corrupt. All that is needed is accurate and honest media reporting about what has occured, and is occurring, in Alaska.

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  34. PissedOffAmerican says:

    I wonder, do these people know something we don’t?
    http://poligazette.com/2008/10/01/sarah-palin-to-drop-out/
    Sarah Palin to Drop Out
    PoliGazette, Netherlands – 10 minutes ago
    A highly reliable source told PoliGazette on Wednesday that Governor Sarah Palin will drop out of the race Friday, one day after the debate between the …

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  35. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Well, Kathleen, the new motto seems to be about “Joe Sixpack”. But they have it all wrong. They need to reach out to “Joe Twelvepack” if they wanna reach a segment of our population that is addled enough to buy into her ignorant horseshit.
    But even more alarming than Palin’s ignorant drivel is McCain’s total disrespect for the citizens of Alaska. When did they ask McCain to take over? Is that what this piece of shit is going to do as President, just steamroll over anyone or anything that gets in his way, citizen’s wants be damned? His people are directly responsible for coaching witnesses to ignore subpoenas. Is this the regard for the law3 we can expect from McCain and Palin?
    Our media is paying far too little attention to what is occurring right now in Alaska.

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  36. via says:

    I think that exchanges like the one between Eugene Robinson (who I seriously love) and KO last night do more harm than good. I don’t think making fun of Palin is in the least bit helpful, it just lends her candidacy legitimacy. This should not be considered legitimate. It should not evoke smirks or laughter. It should be treated as what it is, a serious threat to the economic, social and physical well-being of every person in this country. John McCain has betrayed his principles and this nation and needs to be called to immediate account. It is inexcusable that the media and all responsible, thinking individuals are not standing up and demanding that she be removed from the ticket.

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  37. Kathleen says:

    I’m sorry to be so cynical but if you want to see who will be voting for Palin, watch Blue Collar T.V. on The Comedy Channel….I’ll bet those viewers have never heard of Kathleen Parker.

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  38. PissedOffAmerican says:

    The only Supreme Court ruling she could name was Roe vs Wade.
    Look, it defies the imagination that anyone could still defend Palin’s place on the ticket. Watching the exchange with Couric about the reading material was actually painful and embarrassing. You have to be a damned fool to still advocate for the woman. Yet many still are.
    Partisan politics, when taken so far as to put party above the nation’s welfare is actually quite perverse. This Palin thing has ceased to be an exercise in logical thinking or honest advocation. Defending Palin, at this point, is partisan insanity, that has no roots in concern for competent governance or national security.
    Be aware, Tahoe, that you are no longer lodging an argument that can in any way be construed to be patriotic. Any defense of Palin, at this point, is sheer folly, and can only be seen as the commentary of a partisan and dishonest fool.

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  39. rich says:

    The surreal thing is, George Will and George Bush are just not any different than Sarah Palin.
    Their embarrassment stems from having their policies exposed as useless, counterproductive shams. Not from Palin’s capabilities.
    Palin exposes the very same rhetoric used by Will and Bush as the bald lies they’ve always been. Against a backdrop of economic and foreign policy disasters, the same old stonewalling propaganda doesn’t look real good.
    The only difference is the pundits, the media and official Washington aren’t willing to go along with the same disastrous policies and bald-faced lies they’ve willfully ignored for the past 8 to 28 years.
    It’s not about Sarah Palin’s capability. It’s about scapegoating the wrong politician, after ensuring nothing really got in Dick Cheney’s and George Bush’s way.
    No one really believed what George Bush said, or that what he had in mind was any good for the country. We’ve got plenty more of proof of that in the last 4 days.
    I’ve never underestimated George Bush, but let’s not pretend he was ‘capable’ when his policies set America back 50 years. ‘Smart’ or ‘experienced’ simply does not equate to ‘capable.’
    And it doesn’t justify sitting back, and accepting from Bush or Reagan the same lies, witticisms and corrupt policies—that are now being condemned in Sarah Palin.
    Many in the GOP may enjoy watching John McCain pay the political price for Phil Gramm’s and George Bush’s malfeasance. But let’s not pretend Sarah Palin is responsible for the unpopularity of the rhetorical techniques she learned from Reagan and Bush.
    George Will predicated his success on the mistaken assumption that erudition could substitute for moral rectitude.
    George Bush predicated his success on getting a free pass on a series of bald-faced lies and corrupt and irresponsible fiscal policies. How is it that never received the scrutiny and resistance it deserved? How is it Bush was deemed ‘capable’? Despite failing in the job after corporate job?
    I am no fan of Sarah Palin. But the Establishment’s appreciation—include Jim Lehrer ‘journalist’ in this—for the satisfying, well-told lies uttered by Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld really serves as an indictment of their sudden willingness to hand Sarah Palin out to dry.
    Katie Couric can tell which way the wind blows, and though MainStreamMedia is always about popularity, this isn’t about bandwagon-jumping.
    The collective realization of just how exposed the (MSM & Establishment) active facilitation of George Bush’s malfeasance has left them and their keisters clearly has everybody pointing fingers and looking for a fall-guy. Or, a fall-gal.
    Capable? Really? That’s what we’re so suddenly concerned with? Kathleen Parker’s got a leg to stand on after running interference for no-bid contracts, torture, and unprovoked unDeclared wars?
    David Brooks is now a font of wisdom and sound thinking after providing the sophistry that provided cover for Republican corruption and irresponsible deregulation and tax cuts? Because he knows a goat when he sees one, and can’t ‘scape that fact, despite studiously evading reality for 8 straight years?
    George Will has tendentiously pushed the deregulatory, tax cutting, war-making ideology since Reagan, done it with every self-righteous fiber of his hypocritical being, yet now that he’s seen the light, no shred of accountability falls to George Will’s role in assisting Bush’s failures? No mark on on his reputation at all?
    Instead, any talk of ‘capability’ during the greatest fiscal crisis of our lifetimes . .. is gonna be about Sarah Palin?
    George Will’s reputation is in tatters. It’s soiled—self-soiled. But then, it was never what he believed it to be. The reputations of a whole host of Established Somebodies aren’t so much at risk as shattered.
    And pretending this is about ‘capability’ rather than malfeasance, poor judgement and accountability isn’t gonna change that. We didn’t have ‘capability’ in any constructive or valuable sense for the last 3 Republican administrations. That’s accounting for the odd positive move; I prefer Nixon’s domestic decisions.
    Sarah Palin is a giant red herring. Talking about Palin is like shouting:
    “Hey RUBE! Look over there!!!!”
    When we all know $700 billion is about to go to the crooks who got us into this
    When we all know George Bush (&McCain) have the same policies, told the same lies, and had more ‘experience’.
    When we all know our Army is exhausted, we’re losing two wars on tactical and moral grounds, and our violations of law at home and abroad have cost us the soul and bones of American structural governance.
    Sarah Palin is not what we’re angry about.
    Katie Couric and George Will are not winning any points for coming to their senses. They helped create this disaster, and they’re 8 to 20 years late in listening to their betters.

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  40. Linda says:

    The following from Reuters is from Couric’s most recent interview with Palin:
    Couric asked Palin what newspapers and magazines she read regularly before becoming McCain’s running mate “to stay informed and to understand the world.”
    Here is her response, according to a transcript provided by CBS:
    Palin: I’ve read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.
    Couric: What, specifically?
    Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.
    Couric: Can you name a few?
    Palin: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn’t a foreign country, where it’s kind of suggested, “Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?” Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.

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  41. PeterG says:

    …and Kathleen Parker is being pummeled by the conservative right for writing the column calling out Sarah Palin as un-qualified. But today she writes a very well-reasoned column in answer: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/30/AR2008093002315_Comments.html

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  42. Mr.Murder says:

    George Will, the pro war, tax cut, asshat?
    George Will?
    He should be at Den Haag between giving Nuremberg testimonies at the World Court.

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  43. Mr.Murder says:

    The Scandivnavian countries are becoming bailout models.
    Of course, they have universal health care as well.
    Meanwhile, the largest steel coil provider in the country had no new orders this past week.
    Weren’t we supposed to talk about doing some massive infrastructure?
    Most major businesses run on floating credit.
    Only the gov’t has the kind of capital to meet the demand for sector at this time.
    Let’s bail out the Monopoly guy on Wall St. instead!

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  44. easy e says:

    Joe Biden also has a problem that could come back to bite him:
    To Joe Biden: Time for Confession
    by Ray McGovern
    Dear Sen. Biden,
    I don’t have to remind you of the importance of this Thursday’s debate from a political perspective. But as you prepare, I invite you to spare a few minutes to look at the opportunity from a moral and religious perspective. You may wish to examine your conscience regarding how you have acted on key foreign policy issues and reflect on John 8:32: “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.”…
    For some reason, you were calling for an invasion of Iraq and making unsupported claims about its “weapons of mass destruction” even before President George W. Bush came into office…
    …You became the administration’s most important congressional backer of Bush’s preemptive-with-nothing-to-preempt war advocated by neoconservatives and various oil-thirsty functionaries.
    Former UN weapons inspector and ex-U.S. Marine Maj. Scott Ritter was correct in describing the hearings you chaired during the summer and fall of 2002, from which you were careful to exclude Ritter and other expert witnesses, as a “sham … to provide political cover for a massive military attack on Iraq.”…
    …Heed Rabbi Lerner’s caution: “Do not mitigate or ‘explain’ – just acknowledge and sincerely ask for forgiveness.”…
    Read entire article here http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=13531

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  45. jon says:

    W is an ‘Apres moi, le deluge’ kind of guy. I don’t think he’s
    particularly concerned about who or what follows him. And he is a
    very hard act to follow. He’s content to fantasize that history will
    decide that he’s Harry Truman in fifty years.
    Palin is a perfect exemplar of the emerging core of the Republican
    voting base: unskilled, white, arrogant, entitled religious know
    nothings. This is appealing to the base in the most democratic
    manner possible, and a lot of them like what they see in the mirror
    held up before them.
    If anything, Palin represents a seamless continuation of Bush’s
    policies, style and attitude towards governance.

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  46. Robert Morrow says:

    Steve,
    When Palin was first picked, Michael Savage was RAILING against her on his radio show.
    I think Palin was an excellent pick for McCain from a political point of view. He needed something to jumpstart his campaign and it did with the conservative base.
    Having said that, the Republican party is headed for the ass-whipping of a lifetime this cycle. It is just a matter of whether Obama is going to get 300 or 350 electoral votes. The Republican party is a bankrupt party and it thoroughly deserves the thrashing in store for it.
    I am a Ron Paul guy and that is who I would put in the White House. But this year it is going to be Obama in a big way.

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  47. Winston says:

    Palin and McCain; Pinky and the Brain?
    For the past week, these two adorable elephants have been up to so many of their adorable antics.
    http://winstoninwonderland.blogspot.com/2008/10/theyre-palin-and-mccain-yes-palin-and.html

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  48. Steve Clemons says:

    Thanks BillR — I disagree on Chafee. He was a life long
    Republican, like Rita Hauser and Jim Leach. The three of them
    helped launch Republicans for Obama (though Chafee has become
    an Independent).
    But he told me that he has always viewed himself as a conservative
    in the “classic conservative sense.”
    So, I don’t minimize his contributions on this front — best,
    Steve Clemons

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  49. Bill R. says:

    The paucity of conservative voices willing to speak out against this disastrous choice causes me to doubt their real concern for their country.
    RE:Lincoln Chafee does not qualify as conservative. He has left the Republican party, and when he was Republican considered himself one of the last few remaining “moderates.”
    (I long for the days when the Rockefeller Republicans were a real force in this country. In my home state of Oregon that wing of the party was dominant for at least a couple of decades. And the most progressive governor we have had in our history was a Republican, Tom McCall.)

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