Cheney, Hannity & Lieberman: When Fear is All You Have

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I was flipping through the channels briefly this evening and caught Sean Hannity saying that if the Connecticut primary race had been held next Tuesday rather than yesterday, Lieberman probably would have won.
Just think, Joe Lieberman might not then have been blasting his constituents and the Democratic Party as well as Ned Lamont as appeasers of terrorism. Those words are going to be tough for Lieberman to walk back when he realizes he’s ticked off a good number of Dems and Independents who thought Lieberman was more judicious and thoughtful than his knee-jerk outbursts demonstrated.
But Hannity’s comment was actually useful.
Can Lieberman win without FEAR? Can Cheney and Rove win another election without FEAR?
Can Fox News stay in business without FEAR?
When Joe Lieberman can’t win a race in a party for whom he was nominated to run as its Vice Presidential nominee without stoking fear, it’s time to go.
Lieberman’s complicity in the Bush Middle East crusade in addition to a startling lack of compassion for the victims of this war on all sides and introspection about the mistakes made has contributed to the worsening of our situation abroad, has undermined America’s stature and capacity to influence world events, and has helped fuel terrorism.
The Brits and Pakistani intelligence services deserve enormous thanks and applause for their good work in catching those involved with trying to bring us another round of shocking airline terrorism. But this attack — though thwarted — shows that we have done precious little to actually undo the dynamics that lead young men into complex suicidal attacks on our society. Bush and his team should be held accountable for this lack of progress — and Lieberman is part of that team.
Again, when fear is all Cheney or Hannity or Lieberman have, it’s time to show them the exit.
— Steve Clemons

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  7. alec & me says:

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  11. Howard Peabody says:

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    And Guiness is dead, so YOU lie!

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  12. me & alec says:

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  16. billy says:

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  17. me & alec says:

    I admire you too, POA! You don’t let any zionist apologist get away with anything around here! You use your superior intellect to twist their little minds like pretzels. I love it when you tell them to fuck off! That’s awesome! that will teach them to come around these parts!
    No, I agree, do not give them the “honor of responding.” they don’t deserve it. You are a statesman, POA. This country needs more people like you. You should run for office. I’d vote for you again and again and again. You could hire Steve as a consultant. okay, daddy?

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  18. me & alec says:

    I admire you too, POA! You don’t let any zionist apologist get away with anything around here! You use your superior intellect to twist their little minds like pretzels. I love it when you tell them to fuck off! That’s awesome! that will teach them to come around these parts!
    No, I agree, do not give them the “honor of responding.” they don’t deserve it. You are a statesman, POA. This country needs more people like you. You should run for office. I’d vote for you again and again and again. You could hire Steve as a consultant. okay, daddy?

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  19. me & alec says:

    I admire you too, POA! You don’t let any zionist apologist get away with anything around here! You use your superior intellect to twist their little minds like pretzels. I love it when you tell them to fuck off! That’s awesome! that will teach them to come around these parts!
    No, I agree, do not give them the “honor of responding.” they don’t deserve it. You are a statesman, POA. This country needs more people like you. You should run for office. I’d vote for you again and again and again. You could hire Steve as a consultant. okay, daddy?

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  20. me & alec says:

    I admire you too, POA! You don’t let any zionist apologist get away with anything around here! You use your superior intellect to twist their little minds like pretzels. I love it when you tell them to fuck off! That’s awesome! that will teach them to come around these parts!
    No, I agree, do not give them the “honor of responding.” they don’t deserve it. You are a statesman, POA. This country needs more people like you. You should run for office. I’d vote for you again and again and again. You could hire Steve as a consultant. okay, daddy?

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  21. alec says:

    “Dear POA: I admire you, pleade don’t be bothered by zionist detractors and their clones! … do not give them the honor of responding.
    Posted by NowAmAngree at August 11, 2006 05:42 ”
    ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
    writing to yourself, now POA?
    ahahahahahaha!

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  22. Matthew says:

    I wonder what Bush’s signature line in history will be? “Americans have nothing to fear but an absence of fear.” Wow…you can build a really healthy society on that sentiment.

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  23. NowAmAngree says:

    Dear POA: I admire you, pleade don’t be bothered by zionist detractors and their clones! … do not give them the honor of responding.

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  24. Carroll says:

    Breaking news says Olmert has accepted a cease fire deal at the UN..which one I don’t know since there have been so many versions.
    But getting back to Steve’s portion about where these terrorist like the British bombers come from…we all know where they come from. We also know what we have to change to have fewer of them.
    Meanwhile if Cheney and the Israelis continue their march to Iran..this is what they can look forward to…..Hezbollah is but a small example of what we would face with the Iran military….
    and we know the first thing the loser neo’s would reach for is a nuke in losing conditions…in which case the Israelis could bend over and kiss their asses goodby, it will be over for them as well.
    “The Tabouleh Line – 3
    To the left we have the town of Cassino, south of Rome. This is “where” the war in south Lebanon is headed. Pat Lang
    “Hizbullah’s older anti-tank weapons have been effective against armoured personnel carriers and buildings used by soldiers for shelters. Its newer weapons such as the Russian Kornet and US TOW missiles have been highly effective succeeded in piercing the armour of Israel’s main battle tank, the Merkava, reputedly one of the best-defended tanks in the world.
    One member of an Israeli tank crew who had just left Lebanon told the Guardian: “It’s terrible. You do not fight anti-tank teams with tanks. You use infantry supported by artillery and helicopters. Wide valleys without shelter are the wrong place to use tanks.”
    Although he said Hizbullah’s weapons had been supplied by Iran, Lt Col Rafowicz admitted the militants’ prowess also stemmed from its morale and organisation. They are very keen to engage our forces. They are not wearing suicide bomb belts but they are not afraid to die, which makes deterrence very difficult.”
    Gen Nehushtan said: “We have to recognise that we will be dealing with new definitions of victory. There will be no white flags being raised on this battlefield,” he said.” Guardian
    ————————————————————–

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  25. fiancee says:

    I’d like for you all to know that your alec is actually Alec Baldwin, hardly a right winger in anybody’s book. Ashamed yet flame throwers?

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  26. me & alec says:

    alec, ole buddy, ole pal, you forgot the JDL one. they are, as we say, fools because they think they can read a book by its cover, and they throw you into bad guy while they the good guy and all you do is disagree with their anti-semitism, and me too, i disagree too, right alec? right buddy? we gotsta stand strong, yup, me and you gotta! Disdain, yeah, wees gots disdain for them. Oh, the paradox!

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  27. me & alec says:

    alec, ole buddy, ole pal, you forgot the JDL one. they are, as we say, fools because they think they can read a book by its cover, and they throw you into bad guy while they the good guy and all you do is disagree with their anti-semitism, and me too, i disagree too, right alec? right buddy? we gotsta stand strong, yup, me and you gotta! Disdain, yeah, wees gots disdain for them. Oh, the paradox!

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  28. me & alec says:

    alec, ole buddy, ole pal, you forgot the JDL one. they are, as we say, fools because they think they can read a book by its cover, and they throw you into bad guy while they the good guy and all you do is disagree with their anti-semitism, and me too, i disagree too, right alec? right buddy? we gotsta stand strong, yup, me and you gotta! Disdain, yeah, wees gots disdain for them. Oh, the paradox!

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  29. me & alec says:

    alec, ole buddy, ole pal, you forgot the JDL one. they are, as we say, fools because they think they can read a book by its cover, and they throw you into bad guy while they the good guy and all you do is disagree with their anti-semitism, and me too, i disagree too, right alec? right buddy? we gotsta stand strong, yup, me and you gotta! Disdain, yeah, wees gots disdain for them. Oh, the paradox!

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  30. km4 says:

    from billmon…
    President Psychopath has been listening to his Chief Midwife lately instead of Crazy Dick and Don, and that she’s been urging him to keep the Israelis on the leash until she can get her UN resolution.
    Shrub: What can I say? It’s in her job description
    If Olmert really is going for it, he’s taking an mighty big risk — and an awfully stupid one, in my opinion.

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  31. km4 says:

    Ohlmert to Rice:
    ‘No ceasefire’
    Israel rejects call to end fighting, begins massive ground offensive.
    Condi: Oh gosh I need to consort with my husband … I mean consult with Commander Codpiece who is currently clearing brush.
    Bushie: Do I choose Dickhead Cheney and fossilized Rumsfeld or CondiLezza

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  32. alec says:

    methinks that POA would agree with me and others here that “alec” may be someone who I would simply call a “zionist apologist”.
    zionist terror has been flaming for decades —
    http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/mideaststrifeexplanation.html
    Posted by doughnutdave at August 11, 2006 02:41 PM
    it’s ludicrous how so many folks around here are so preoccupied with defining a guy they know next to nothing about, namely… ME! POA swears i’m not a democrat. dougnut dave calls me a “zionist aplogist.” others swear i’m an aipac operative or that i work for karl rove or the mossad… along with muhammad atta, right 😉
    it’s absolutely ludicrous and ignorant. a bunch of know-it-alls who actually know very little, just like bushco!
    …oh the paradox!

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  33. irving says:

    I would have you all know, you guys sreeching about Israeli escalation and Genocide and whatnot, that France and the US/Israel have agreed on a UN resolution that will bring a cessation to the fighting. So stop the presses on escalation and genocide and instead the headline should read, “Hezbollah Wins! Escapes Anihilation”

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  34. doughnutdave says:

    methinks that POA would agree with me and others here that “alec” may be someone who I would simply call a “zionist apologist”.
    zionist terror has been flaming for decades —
    http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/mideaststrifeexplanation.html

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  35. Pissed Off American says:

    More Proof of the Bush Admnistration’s Partisan Manipulation of an Alleged Terrorist Arrest in England:
    Meanwhile, in today’s White House press gaggle, spokesman Tony Snow was asked directly whether the Administration knew of this terrorist plot beforehand (he said yes), and whether they knew the news about it would break today — just after they had whacked Democrats on Lamont’s victory. Snow’s answer raised our eyebrows. “Let me put it this way, I don’t want to encourage that line of thought. I don’t think it’s fully accurate, but I also don’t want — I know it’s frustrating, but we really don’t want to get too much into who knew what, where, when.”
    Just call that a “Yes, we knew about the forthcoming arrest and set up the partisan hit on the Democrats.” 8/12
    http://www.buzzflash.com/?time=1
    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14028806/

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  36. Pissed Off American says:

    “Does anyone else find some cognative dissonance, if not outright insanity in the US pretending to be pushing for a fair ceasefire, calling for the Israelis to spare Lebanon and Lebanese civilians, and keeping the munitions pipeline accelerating?”
    Posted by DonS
    Heck, are you kiddin’ me?
    Damn man, these people hate us for our freedoms, doncha know?
    Hell, lets wipe out ALL them terrist’ evil doer sand niggers before they dismantle my freedom to assemble, my freedom to protest, my freedom to expect privacy in my personal communications, and my freedom to recieve legal representation and judicial oversight of charges and procedings brought against me!!!!
    Heck, they mean to steal those freedoms from us, just as soon as Bush gives them back to us!

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  37. steve duncan says:

    Next: Anonymous U.S. intelligence officials disclose several of the would-be bombers in England carried pictures of Ned Lamont as inspiration during their plotting.

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  38. Pissed Off American says:

    What a shame that the rest of America’s media doers not call a spade a spade……
    BUSH AND CHENEY’S REIGN OF TERROR
    VEEP SAYS CONN. VOTERS AIDING AL QAEDA.
    NOW, THAT’S SCARY.
    THESE PEOPLE have no shame. Their contempt for democracy is so great they will stop at nothing to undermine it. Their adherence to fundamentalist beliefs that blinds them to reality is frightening. They must be stopped.
    And that’s just the Republicans.
    Let’s start with Vice President Dick Cheney.
    Yesterday, Cheney bashed those who voted for Democrat Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Senate primary, claiming that these votes would encourage “al Qaeda types” to think that “they can break the will of the American people.”
    The idea is that since 18-year incumbent Joe Lieberman lost based on his support for Iraq, Americans opposing the war are waving a white flag of surrender to terrorists.
    This is stunningly ignorant logic, as well as annoyingly consistent with the Bush administration’s fundamentalist myth that Iraq had ties to al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden – a claim by now well-discounted, most notably by a presidential commission.
    And yet the presidential fog machine has continued to belch out its Iraq-al Qaeda-link fumes to the extent that a recent poll suggests that 64 percent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links to al Qaeda. More people than ever now believe, according to a new poll, that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
    Ironically, the number who believe in the al Qaeda link is almost precisely the same number of Americans – 62 percent – who believe we are bogged down in Iraq.
    For Cheney – and other Republicans like GOP National Chairman Ken Mehlman – to suggest that those Americans are encouraging terrorism is reprehensible.
    Cheney’s comments came out a day before British intelligence officials announced they had thwarted a major terrorist attack. Surely Cheney was aware of the plot and the work to thwart it, and was no doubt aware of the timing of yesterday’s announcement.
    To exploit a very real terror threat that could have led to major casualties, and to even indirectly implicate Americans who were exercising their democratic right by going to the polls and making a choice borders on the criminal, to say nothing of the insane.
    Has Cheney completely lost it?
    The latest terror scare is upsetting enough: It is bound to lead to havoc and chaos both domestically and internationally. It could damage the economy if fears on flying are sustained. It reopens the profound wounds of 9/11, a scab we should figure by now will never completely heal.
    But the real terror is this: While our Vacationer- in-Chief and his vice president shut down dissent, and discourage questions about the way our government has directed our intelligence and military resources toward a single target in Iraq, we are no closer to understanding or dismantling the threat of al Qaeda.
    Cheney’s remarks underscore just how unsophisticated our understanding of terrorism is. We have no more understanding of the global forces at work that lead so many to want to bomb and destroy innocent lives than we did five years ago.
    America’s latest crisis is not what happened in Connecticut; it’s what was going to happen in airplanes over the Atlantic.
    The immoral and ridiculous claims coming out of the Bush administration’s reign of error could ultimately be responsible for the kind of casualties that al Qaeda can only dream of.
    http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/opinion/15249007.htm

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  39. DonS says:

    “. . . Israel just announced an escalation of thier military operation in Lebanon. Open season on Muslims is hereby declared. . . .”
    Well, we better rush those cluster bombs to the front
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/11/world/middleeast/11military.html?hp&ex=1155355200&en=4887d0ebeb1cdf33&ei=5094&partner=homepage
    Does anyone else find some cognative dissonance, if not outright insanity in the US pretending to be pushing for a fair ceasefire, calling for the Israelis to spare Lebanon and Lebanese civilians, and keeping the munitions pipeline accelerating?

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  40. Pissed Off American says:

    This article illustrates a couple of different points. First, Israel requested the speedy delivery of these weapons prior to today’s announcement that they were escalating thier military invasion of Lebanon. They knew ALL ALONG they were going to escalate this, DESPITE any resolutions that were forthcoming from the UN. And secondly, you DO NOT use clusterweapons to attack small groups of personel manning missile launchers from concealed positions. Clusterweapons are designed to inflict optimum casualties to large numbers of personael through the release of copious amounts of projectiles. Anyone that thinks Hizbollah is fighting in groups large enough to justify the use of such weapons is ignorant of the nature of urban guerilla warfare.
    And of course we will ship these weapons post haste. The whole idea behind this is killing Muslims, why WOULD’NT we ship them?
    Israel Asks U.S. to Ship Rockets With Wide Blast
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    By DAVID S. CLOUD
    Published: August 11, 2006
    WASHINGTON, Aug. 10 — Israel has asked the Bush administration to speed delivery of short-range antipersonnel rockets armed with cluster munitions, which it could use to strike Hezbollah missile sites in Lebanon, two American officials said Thursday.
    Middle East The request for M-26 artillery rockets, which are fired in barrages and carry hundreds of grenade-like bomblets that scatter and explode over a broad area, is likely to be approved shortly, along with other arms, a senior official said.
    But some State Department officials have sought to delay the approval because of concerns over the likelihood of civilian casualties, and the diplomatic repercussions……..
    continued at….
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/11/world/middleeast/11military.html?hp&ex=1155355200&en=4887d0ebeb1cdf33&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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  41. me & alec says:

    POA started it! He did! He came in here fuming about Genocide this, Genocide that, like some raving maniac all liquored up. alec was only defending the honor of this site by calling POA names for which i’m deeply grateful. We’re partners now! Me & alec, yup, me & alec, right alec? yup, pardners.

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  42. me & alec says:

    POA started it! He did! He came in here fuming about Genocide this, Genocide that, like some raving maniac all liquored up. alec was only defending the honor of this site by calling POA names for which i’m deeply grateful. We’re partners now! Me & alec, yup, me & alec, right alec? yup, pardners.

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  43. me & alec says:

    POA started it! He did! He came in here fuming about Genocide this, Genocide that, like some raving maniac all liquored up. alec was only defending the honor of this site by calling POA names for which i’m deeply grateful. We’re partners now! Me & alec, yup, me & alec, right alec? yup, pardners.

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  44. me & alec says:

    POA started it! He did! He came in here fuming about Genocide this, Genocide that, like some raving maniac all liquored up. alec was only defending the honor of this site by calling POA names for which i’m deeply grateful. We’re partners now! Me & alec, yup, me & alec, right alec? yup, pardners.

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  45. Concerned Commentor says:

    I would very much appreciate it if your comments were relevant to the post and that you refrain from personal attacks. Conduct yourselves in a civil manner and rein in your anger that will only disturb rational argument. And enough cursing and sniping.

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  46. Pissed Off American says:

    Well, Israel just announced an escalation of thier military operation in Lebanon. Open season on Muslims is hereby declared.

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  47. me & alec says:

    That gott’im alec! You called him a “fool!” I love it ! POA is down for the count! Fool, fool…. fool, fool .. fool, fool. HeeHeeHee!

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  48. me & alec says:

    That gott’im alec! You called him a “fool!” I love it ! POA is down for the count! Fool, fool…. fool, fool .. fool, fool. HeeHeeHee!

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  49. me & alec says:

    That gott’im alec! You called him a “fool!” I love it ! POA is down for the count! Fool, fool…. fool, fool .. fool, fool. HeeHeeHee!

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  50. me & alec says:

    That gott’im alec! You called him a “fool!” I love it ! POA is down for the count! Fool, fool…. fool, fool .. fool, fool. HeeHeeHee!

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  51. alec says:

    and please answer this:
    what kind of fool would argue with a COMPLETE STRANGER and dispute their professed political affiliation or voting habits?!?!?!
    only a “POA” fool.

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  52. alec says:

    “Hamas and Hizbollah are gaining popularity through the actions and policies being exercised in Gaza, Lebanon, and Iraq”
    “Lebanon has been driven back decades. Israel is activelly engaged, destructively, in razing farmlands and destroying the infrasture in Gaza while the world’s eyes are focused on Lebanon and Heathrow. Meanwhile the carnage in Iraq intensifies daily.”
    There you go, Alec. Those are the two of the main points in my post. Dispute them with something other than your usual irritating drivel, will you? If not, than just STFU. You are contributing NOTHING here, and anyone willing to read back a few threads can only reach that inescapable conclusion. So dispute those premises I advanced above, and try not to do it with fabricated quotes or obvious LIES about being an “ardent democrat”.
    Posted by Pissed Off American at August 11, 2006 12:13 PM
    i hate to personalize this any more than you already have, but YOU ARE A COMPLETE FREAK, POA!
    why leave out the other point you make above:
    “we are slaughtering them just as surely and as calculatingly as Hitler did to the Jews as he marched them into ovens. ”
    foolish. ignorant. offnsive.
    AND PLEASE REFARIN FROM TELLING PEOPLE TO SHUT THE FUCK, UP, POA!
    Steve, you should really say something about this. it is beyond the pale. read the last thread for an even more offensive diatribe.
    unfortunately, any legitimate points POA makes are obfuscated by his offensive and foolish rhetoric.

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  53. me & alec says:

    c’mon alec, i need some support. say something short and derogatory so we can both snicker, c’mon!

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  54. me & alec says:

    c’mon alec, i need some support. say something short and derogatory so we can both snicker, c’mon!

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  55. me & alec says:

    c’mon alec, i need some support. say something short and derogatory so we can both snicker, c’mon!

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  56. me & alec says:

    c’mon alec, i need some support. say something short and derogatory so we can both snicker, c’mon!

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  57. km4 says:

    Clinton on Cheney: ‘I don’t take anything he says seriously anymore’
    http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Clinton_on_Cheney_I_dont_take_0811.html
    We appreciate the swift action by the British,” Clinton noted, “because the plot centered on airlines flying between Britain and the United States, which obviously means between Heathrow and JFK, between Heathrow and Newark.”
    Clinton continued her comments on the subject by denouncing the “perverted philosophy” of Osama bin Laden–before tearing into the Vice President for recent comments about the Connecticut Democratic primaries.
    “I don’t take anything he says seriously anymore,” Clinton said when asked about Cheney at a later campaign stop. “I think that he has been a very counterproductive–even destructive–force in our country, and I am very disheartened by the failure of leadership from the President and Vice President.”

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  58. Pissed Off American says:

    THE FOX NEWS CARL CAMERON FOUR-PART REPORT ON THE ISRAELI SPIES
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
    THE PHONY (MOSSAD)
    AL QAEDA CELL IN PALESTINE
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

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  59. me & alec says:

    me & alec say: ridiculous, foolish of you POA
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!

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  60. me & alec says:

    me & alec say: ridiculous, foolish of you POA
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!

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  61. me & alec says:

    me & alec say: ridiculous, foolish of you POA
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!

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  62. me & alec says:

    me & alec say: ridiculous, foolish of you POA
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!
    Nah, naaah, n-naaah, nah!

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  63. Pissed Off American says:

    Cheney Held an Unusual Reporter News Conference on Tuesday Night Calling Ned Lamont Basically An Enabler of al-Qaeda. Then the Latest Round of Politically Timed Alleged Terrorist Arrests Yesterday. If Terrorism Like This is Still Such a Threat, What Have the Busheviks Been Doing for Six Years? Why are We Wasting Our Time In Iraq? Liquid Bombs Were Known to be Contemplated by al-Qaeda Over Ten Years Ago. Why Do the Busheviks Make It Sound Like They and The Brits Just Discovered This Concept? Why Didn’t They Try to Prevent Liquid Bombs Before if They are So on Top of Security?
    http://www.buzzflash.com/?time=12
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

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  64. Pissed Off American says:

    NYT: “The arrests were announced less than 24 hours after Vice President Dick Cheney and other Republican officials suggested that Mr. Lieberman’s defeat reflected the world view of a Democratic Party that was not prepared to lead the nation in such dangerous times.” 8/11
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/11/washington/11politics.html

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  65. Pissed Off American says:

    “Hamas and Hizbollah are gaining popularity through the actions and policies being exercised in Gaza, Lebanon, and Iraq”
    “Lebanon has been driven back decades. Israel is activelly engaged, destructively, in razing farmlands and destroying the infrasture in Gaza while the world’s eyes are focused on Lebanon and Heathrow. Meanwhile the carnage in Iraq intensifies daily.”
    There you go, Alec. Those are the two of the main points in my post. Dispute them with something other than your usual irritating drivel, will you? If not, than just STFU. You are contributing NOTHING here, and anyone willing to read back a few threads can only reach that inescapable conclusion. So dispute those premises I advanced above, and try not to do it with fabricated quotes or obvious LIES about being an “ardent democrat”.

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  66. Pissed Off American says:

    More Evidence from the British Guardian that the Timing of the Raids in London Were Likely Politially Motivated by U.S. Politics. Read the Article Closely. Note that Bush knew about this for a long time, so what Cheney, Snow and Bush said on Tuesday about Lamont’s election was said with the foreknowledge that the alleged British terrorist cell was going to be arrested at some point in the near future. 8/11
    http://www.buzzflash.com/?time=12

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  67. HL says:

    Russ Feingold is having a live online chat session today at 1 PM Eastern, 11 AM Pacific, that any one can sign up for, be in on, and ask questions. You can sign up to be in on the chat and get more information at Here

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  68. alec says:

    and btw, I DO NOT POST UNDER MULTIPLE SCREEN NAMES!
    believe it or not, POA, not everyone agrees with your world view!

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  69. alec says:

    wow, POA.
    there are so many factual errors and obvious biases reflected in your comment directly above, that i won’t waste my time replying point by point.
    suffice to say that your comment is COMPLETELY foolish and highly offensive!

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  70. Pissed Off American says:

    Ouch. Here we have yet another round of some asshole posting yet another obvious round of horseshit under multiple screen names.

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  71. Vince Buffuttomonte says:

    Much thanks to alec for his alerting this blogging community to the foolishness of thinking that the Iraq war and its champions have anything whatsoever to do with any terrorist attack, especially yesterday’s folied attempt. We are safer and becoming safer by the day through the dedicated diligence of Our President and his administration. And thanks to Ferguson for expressing himself so clearly on the subject. Many more American patriots such as yourselves are needed if we are to win this Global War on Terror. God Bless you both!, and
    God Bless America !

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  72. Pissed Off American says:

    “This morning on CNN, former 9/11 commissioner Tim Roemer argued that the recent terror plot in Britain illustrated why we need to direct resources from Iraq to the global terrorist threat. Roemer said, “It’s very important that we don’t put all our intelligence and military resources in Iraq and take our eye off the ball in other places in the world.””
    Now why in God’s name would anyone think these lying bastards are actually interested in countering the benefits of having a tailor-made boogie-man through which their fascist policies can be rationalized and justified? Anyone with even an ounce of intelligence can see that the Bush Administration, and this murderous butcher Ohlmert are fully engaged in CREATING terrorists, not in countering the threat. Hamas and Hizbollah are gaining popularity through the actions and policies being exercised in Gaza, Lebanon, and Iraq. This IS NOT about making us more secure, it is about escalating our slaughter of the Muslim people in the Middle East. Lebanon has been driven back decades. Israel is activelly engaged, destructively, in razing farmlands and destroying the infrasture in Gaza while the world’s eyes are focused on Lebanon and Heathrow. Meanwhile the carnage in Iraq intensifies daily.
    And to top it off this fucker Bush has the unmittigated gall to stand before us and feed us some more tripe about “they hate us for our freedoms”. Besides the obvious irony behind the fact that it is BUSH that is dismantling our freedoms, any sentient being on this planet must surely recognize that much of the hatred stems from the fact that we are slaughtering them just as surely and as calculatingly as Hitler did to the Jews as he marched them into ovens. And the TREMENDOUS DISPARITY in the amount of deaths in Gaza and Lebanon completely negates any rhyme or reason behind the argument that Israel is “defending itself”. Good God, they are armd with the most modern weaponry known to man, and are a nuclear power, fighting an adversary that has crude weaponry and far less skilled training.
    This thing is DESIGNED to escalate, and the goal, the idea,and the purpose behind this is GENOCIDE.
    GENOCIDE.
    GENOCIDE.
    GENOCIDE.

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  73. alec says:

    “P.S. “alec” appropriate writes in name in lower case. It’s consistent with the level of his thoughts.”
    sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
    we disagree on this and probably many other issues, matthew. but, your response above is juvenile.

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  74. Dave Lewis says:

    Some see in this new terror plot a call for more of the same, only more of it.
    Others might wonder if, instead of invading Iraq, the US and UK had used those same funds and rebuilt Afghanistan as a model of what our nations can do to friendly nations, a la Germany and Japan after WWII.
    I wonder, in that case, if these suposedly Pakistani and South Asian youths would have been plotting?
    It seems to me that a few hundred billion spent building hospitals, roads and schools would sway far more hearts and minds in the West’s favor than blowing up the same. The return on that investment it seems to me would be far better than breaking Bastiat’s window.
    This, it seems to me, could be the opposition plank against more of the majority party’s “beat them until they submit” policy.

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  75. Ferguson says:

    alec is absolutely correct to ridicule without even having to explain himself since it is self evident that these “badly assimulated Pakistani immigrants in England” would most certainly have conspired and plotted as they have in every respect even if America had not invaded Iraq and if the US had instead sought a solution to the Palestinian-Israeli predicament. It is foolish to think the Iraq war has anything whatsoever to do with British-Pakistani terror plots, and thus foolish in the extreme to say those who are responsible for the Iraq war have empowered these current terrorists in their reasoning process. Absolutely not! Joe Lieberman and those like Joe who support the Iraq war have no responsibility in the creation of more terror because those British-Pakistanis would have done it anyway! There is no straight line accountability in these matters whatsoever.
    Sorry for the long post. I wish that I could have responded more succinctly as does alec and just called the poster he quoted “foolish,” and left it at that for the sake of being to the point.

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  76. Frank says:

    Each news item about how the facistisized republicans and AIPAC, show full swift boat support for little “mole Joe” in his independent bid for the senate bolsters Lamont’s campaign. I would guess Rove and AIPAC calculates that Joe, as a mole, is worth two republican senators, and will go full speed to help him retain his senate seat.
    The republicans need him for the history books and future argumentation for not impeaching the Neurenberg quality Bush. He competes with that fanatic “zealot Miller” in leaving a legacy which weakened his party in critical times, and brought new meaning to the term “bipartisanship”.
    Little “mole Joe” must go.

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  77. km4 says:

    Terror Plot Shows Danger of Putting ‘All Our Intelligence and Military Resources in Iraq’
    This morning on CNN, former 9/11 commissioner Tim Roemer argued that the recent terror plot in Britain illustrated why we need to direct resources from Iraq to the global terrorist threat. Roemer said, “It’s very important that we don’t put all our intelligence and military resources in Iraq and take our eye off the ball in other places in the world.”
    He also emphasized that “it’s very important that we capture Osama Bin Laden” because Bin Laden is producing “CNN quality tapes” and “communicating with hundreds of millions of potential jihadist and trying to get them to sign up.”
    It’s been four years, ten months and twenty-five days since President Bush pledged to capture Bin Laden “dead or alive.”
    GOP trolls, please explain the above statement without using the word “Clinton.”

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  78. Matthew says:

    Steve: The Heathrow case demonstrates how the “war on terror” will be one–by good intelligence and police work. Basically, it’s the opposite of the Bush policy. As to fear-mongering, Lieberman has been unmasked.
    P.S. “alec” appropriate writes in name in lower case. It’s consistent with the level of his thoughts.

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  79. ohm says:

    Speaking of fear, the real gut wrenching fear of Republicans is the rapid slide of the American electorate toward voting that they be held accountable for their gross incompetence by electing Democratic majorities to the House and Senate. That’s the fear of death.
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_08/009317.php
    “Since March, Baker [James A. Baker, the Bush family fixer], backed by a team of experienced national-security hands, has been busily at work trying to devise a fresh set of policies to help the president chart a new course in — or, perhaps, to get the hell out of — Iraq. But as with all things involving James Baker, there’s a deeper political agenda at work as well. ‘Baker is primarily motivated by his desire to avoid a war at home — that things will fall apart not on the battlefield but at home. So he wants a ceasefire in American politics,’ a member of one of the commission’s working groups told me.”
    “Specifically, he said, if the Democrats win back one or both houses of Congress in November, they would unleash a series of investigative hearings on Iraq, the war on terrorism, and civil liberties that could fatally weaken the administration and remove the last props of political support for the war, setting the stage for a potential Republican electoral disaster in 2008. ‘I guess there are people in the [Republican] party, on the Hill and in the White House, who see a political train wreck coming, and they’ve called in Baker to try to reroute the train.'”
    I am very suspicious of the timing of the exposure this latest terrorist plot occurring almost immediately after the Lamont victory and its doleful reprecussions for Republican power. Was it agreed by Bush and Blair to spring the terror plot at this strategic time to stem the growing tidal wave about to wash them away and go on the worn propaganda offensive once again instilling The Fear.
    http://politics.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1842320,00.html
    Blair forewarned Bush of terror threat to US airlines
    · Decision to sanction raids took ministers by surprise
    · First Cobra meeting took place late on Wednesday
    Patrick Wintour, political editor
    Friday August 11, 2006
    The Guardian
    “Downing Street admitted Tony Blair would not have left the country on Monday for his Caribbean holiday if he had known the police would need to swoop so quickly to disrupt a terrorist plot. He has known about it in general terms for months, and has spoken to President George Bush about it on a number of occasions. The two leaders discussed it in more detail on Sunday, during a conversation on a secure line in which the prime minister outlined what he knew of the British cell being monitored by the security services.
    Downing Street officials said he had also mentioned the specific surveillance operation. Mr Blair warned the president that it showed there was a specific threat to US airlines and urged total secrecy, warning premature leaks would destroy the monitoring of the group.
    From his holiday home, he spoke again to Mr Bush on Wednesday around 8pm UK time, again mentioning the security threat, but primarily discussing fresh plans to break the deadlock at the UN on the Middle East. Hours later police and security services were in contact with their US partners to say a specific threat was being acted upon.
    The decision to sanction the raids took ministers by surprise. Douglas Alexander, the transport secretary, was on holiday in Mull on Wednesday when he was told by security officials he needed to be briefed on a threat to UK aviation. The official flew to Mull, and he was told there was a plot to blow up planes simultaneously. …………”
    Could it have been that erroneous input from one of our intelligent services (CIA, NSA, or DIA),communicating to British intelligence a false imminency of the long known plot against aircraft, caused the premature action against the terror cells. Was gaining political advantage the first and foremost concern in timing the arrests of the would-be terrorists.
    Machievelli 101. Bush and his henchmen are desparados now; desparate times, desparate measures; they feel the noose tightening around each of their necks, and all they have is to yet again instill The Fear.

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  80. alec says:

    “I remember thinking: Anyone who has even a smidgeon of knowledge about, or experience in, the Middle East, and who says he is absolutely, 100% certain he has the right answers, is either a liar, a fanatic, or Tom Friedman — which is to say, a world-class educated fool.”
    or Pissed off American, Carroll, Matthew, Father Ted, etc, etc….

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  81. alec says:

    “The Iraq war is the branch that bore yesterday’s fruit, and Lieberman is, however far down in the order of responsibility, one of those who nutures the Iraq war with his bold faced deceit about it, and is thus in part responsible, however small, for badly assimilated Pakistani immigrants in Britan wanting to blow up our aeroplanes.”
    this is absolutely ridiculous! what a foolish statement.

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  82. DonS says:

    We in the US are in a cycle of fear mongering, no doubt. The lapse time between “events”/the Republican fear offensive/the public weariness and potential learning curve is shortening. “Events” may be real enough in their own way, but the Republican manipulation and exploitation of events is right in the “crying wolf” mode. Problem is, as I see it, since fear is the basic human instinct, its a bottomless well of possiblility for the Republicans to continue to use.
    I believe the tipping point will come when, by mistake, the Republicans orchestrate some fear theatre that interfers with core American values, like watching American Idol. They will be toast. (slight snark).

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  83. Dave Lewis says:

    Steve, as you travel in these circles perhaps you could answer a question for me. Is this the first time that the Bank of England has acted to name suspects in a police action? Why wouldn’t Scotland Yard or MI6 liase with the media? This crime is not financial.
    Secondly, on the cynical note you raise, consider the following from Sky News Aug 10:
    “The investigation reached a critical point last night when the decision was taken to take urgent action in order to disrupt what we believed was being planned.”
    Downing Street has said the anti-terror operation was undertaken “with the full support” of Tony Blair who is on holiday in the Caribbean.
    He has been “in constant contact” with the situation in the UK and has briefed President Bush, a spokesman said.
    http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1230422,00.html
    So Bush and Blair gave the go ahead to nab these people yesterday…even though their plans, and identities were known, and their communciations were being monitored, instead of waiting until they 1) could be caught in the act and 2) much more important, expose any further links in the chain.
    The timing strikes me as odd. According to today’s press, they were planning a dry run in the coming days. Why not catch them in that act? No bombs to worry about and, with the addition of intercepted communications, a clear indication of mens rea.
    It just seems to me that an awful lot of “plots” have been exposed in what seems to me to be the very early stages of plotting…as in a few disaffected kids talking nonsense, albeit terrible nonsense, but still nothing that holds up in a trial.

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  84. km4 says:

    Gee perhaps it has something to do with this…
    Blair, Bush, and the new crusades
    Tony Blair has insisted he is not waging a “religious war” or a “crusade” when he talks of fighting extremism.
    As Billmon says…
    “I think he may be even more deranged than his master. The other day Blair said something to the effect that he was absolutely confident — way down in that “irreducible core” of his — that his Middle East policies are correct. It was the sort of thing Shrub might say if he knew what the word “irreducible” means.
    I remember thinking: Anyone who has even a smidgeon of knowledge about, or experience in, the Middle East, and who says he is absolutely, 100% certain he has the right answers, is either a liar, a fanatic, or Tom Friedman — which is to say, a world-class educated fool.
    Blair, unfortunately, is all three”.

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  85. freshet says:

    Zathrus is correct in leading us to believe that badly assimilated Pakistani immigrants in Britain have only recently in the last few years become overtly hostile to the Western culture. What put them over the edge? Why did we not hear about their conspiratorial plots until 2003? What could have happened in Britain in 2003 that might have triggered their actions? I cannot figure it out, unless they came to the realization in that year that thery were badly assimilated immigrants and had a need to express their alienation. Help me, if you please, I’m feeling down.

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  86. vlaric says:

    Zathrus, ask yourself, would these British Muslims have conspired in the manner they have if after Afghanistan the US renewed it’s search for an answer to the Palestian-Israeli conflict instead of attacking Iraq under false pretenses? I know you said to yourself, No, no matter how badly assimilated Pakistani immigrants in Britain are. The Iraq war is the branch that bore yesterday’s fruit, and Lieberman is, however far down in the order of responsibility, one of those who nutures the Iraq war with his bold faced deceit about it, and is thus in part responsible, however small, for badly assimilated Pakistani immigrants in Britan wanting to blow up our aeroplanes. It takes no crazy drunken leap of logic to discern this in a public house or anywhere else. Perhaps its not to be harped upon; you’re probably correct in saying that Lamont it would be better to be more offensive minded answering the questions you pose, but he should also connect the dots between ongoing terrorism and the Iraq fiasco, and how we lost our way with Lieberman’s help.

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  87. Leslie says:

    Pusillanimous Americans, terrified of terrorists should be ashamed of themselves! And ‎where pray tell are those republicans who used to tout, “Give me liberty or give me ‎death” when you need them? — On the other hand, what does London have to do with us? ‎Why not fight the terrorists there so we don’t have to fight them over here? ‎

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  88. bob h says:

    How many of those 50 British Muslims were pushed over the edge by the mass killings of Iraqis set in motion by the “coalition”? Probably a lot of them.

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  89. km4 says:

    Robert Morrow you are hillarious 😉
    CT-Sen: Warner responds, Edwards to Connecticut
    by kos
    Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 11:07:33 PM PDT
    Mark Warner:
    I congratulate Ned Lamont on a great grassroots campaign, and wish him success in November. I and our PAC, Forward Together, will be supporting the Lamont campaign. Connecticut Democrats are mirroring the frustrations most Americans feel with this President’s failed foreign policy and mishandled war. I also commend Senator Lieberman for his remarkable record of public service.
    Republican wishful thinking notwithstanding, Tuesday’s vote was anything but a Democratic party repudiation of a robust and determined defense of this nation’s security. To the contrary, it is a call for a return to an American foreign policy that unites our friends and divides our enemies–and a call that will inevitably sweep through November’s elections.
    Republicans must be scratching their heads. No one outside the idiot chattering class seems to be buying their line about Lamont dooming Democrats this November. And even those dumbasses won’t keep it up for long given the GOP’s increasingly dire straits.
    Fact is, the average person doesn’t know or care who Ned Lamont is, and those that do — like us — are using it for extra motivation this November. I’m actually sort of bummed I’m going on vacation, when a few days ago I felt like I wouldn’t make it to the end of the week. (Then I think of the beach, and I feel not so bummed.)
    Meanwhile, Edwards is the first of hopefully many Democrats to trek to Connecticut to stump for Ned Lamont, heading out there on the 17th of August. Now, I don’t know how much these visits matter (like the Clinton one for Joementum), but they can’t hurt, especially if the trickle becomes an avalanche. And if nothing else, it’s an excuse for the local media to give Lamont more positive coverage.
    Lieberman, I’m sure, can garner great press when Karl Rove comes campaign for him.

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  90. Robert Morrow says:

    Joe Lieberman is well on the way to winning his re-election. All the leftie Democrats have already voted in the primary. LaMont gave him his best shot and only won 52-48%. Not enough for a knockout blow. Lieberman will go the distance and win this one on points by at least 5%, say 45%-40%-15%.

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  91. Farmer says:

    Although most logical people can clearly see the attacks and devastation of Iraq and Lebanon have produced more enemies and a polarization which will set this Nation on a course of conflict in the Middle East for years to come, most believe this was the result of miscalculation. In light of the many documents produced by the neocons including members of The Project for a New American Century, their position papers, Rebuilding America?s Defenses and A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, all based upon the idea of using military superiority of what they see as the remaining ?Super Power? to establish American dominance in world affairs, Pax America, it?s only logical they have been very calculating in putting the USA in a position from which there is little choice but to ?stay the course?.

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  92. marky says:

    If Democrats are emotional, to what party does that overwrought drama queen Sean Hannity belong?
    Republicans are the ones who hyperventilate when the hear the word “terrorist”—not Democrats.

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  93. Zathras says:

    Time out.
    I understand that the Connecticut Senate race is an emotional subject for Democrats, who tend to be pretty emotional to begin with. But the “dynamics” that led the men arrested today into “complex suicidal attacks” are primarily the dynamics of another country. The badly assimilated children of Pakistani immigrants to England are Joe Lieberman’s fault?
    Trust me, this is not a winning argument. This is an argument you use at the end of a long night at the bar with a couple of friends who already think Lieberman is a DINO. Or with me, if you think I need a good laugh.
    Here’s a thought — and I know this is pretty radical, but bear with me — why don’t you have this Ned Lamont guy explain who he is and why he should be Senator? Why don’t you have him discuss some of the things an American Senator can actually do, like oversight of the executive branch and investigations of government corruption and wasteful spending, that the current Congress has not done? It might not be as fun as the night at the bar with people who already agree with you, talking about Lieberman’s responsibility for British-born aspiring terrorists. But the Connecticut primary race became pretty tight in the last couple of days, suggesting to me that being Not Joe Lieberman may not by itself be a strategy that can last Lamont all the way to November.

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  94. Ayataollah of Rock-n-Rollah says:

    steve: [W]orsening of our situation abroad, has undermined America’s stature and capacity to influence world events, and has helped fuel terrorism.
    Please, somehow factor in the fact that Bush and the GOP **inadvertently* fathered a burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic with extremely close and long standing ties to Iran, a so-called `axis of evil’, in direct response to the horrific attacks on 9/11.
    Right?
    FACT: Nearly 3000 people were killed (e.g. throats slashed, asphyxiation, etc ) in horrible ways and hundreds of billions of dollars in damage were incurred on 9/11/2001.
    FACT: Then in 2003, Bush and the GOP deposed Saddam Hussein with the result being in 2006 a “Death to Israel” and “Death to America” chanting fundamentalist Islamic republic in Iraq.
    Al dawa and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution of Iraq sure as hell are not pro-Israeli, pro-American, pro-western values by any means.
    Bush really fuct up.
    Where’s the outrage?
    9/11 + Iraq = Bush’s Fundamentalist Islamic Iraq
    WTF?
    [key words: G W. Bush, Islamofascists, Iran, Iraq, Al Dawa, Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution of Iraq, September 11th, democracy in Iraq, Islamic fundementalists’

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  95. Mike says:

    THe sad fact is that 5 years post 9/11 THe BUsh Administration policies have devloped an environment where such plots are more likely than ever and yes the chances have increased that one would be successful as well.
    What we see now occurring throughout the world is a direct result and total abscence of competent leadership.
    From that you cant hide, so you only run, but not far as it will eventualy catch you
    Sad state of affairs
    Mike

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