CHALLENGE CHENEY Wherever He Goes: The Handcuffs Are Worth It

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Vice President Cheney’s disregard for America’s system of checks and balances and his huff-and-puff advocacy of unilateral military responses to complex national security challenges has really harmed America’s portfolio of interests.
He should be challenged every time and every where he speaks. He should get no easy passes, and Americans should stop giving him laudatory back-drops and applause when he deigns to walk in public view — like he did recently in Denver.
According to this report, a man walking his young son walked over to Cheney who was glad-handing and said, “I think your policies in Iraq are reprehensible.” He walked on. Ten minutes later, he was handcuffed and arrested under orders from the Secret Service.
Hmmm…..OK, no more inappropriate analogies with official, well-dressed thugs in nations leading up to World War II. Let’s just settle for a lighter, more cuddly version of the KGB.
IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WE DON’T HARRASS AND ARREST PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING THEIR MIND IN PUBLIC — AND CHALLENGING POLITICAL LEADERS!
Someone please tell that to the Secret Service — and to Cheney’s combustible chief-of-staff, David Addington. (read Jane Mayer’s excellent piece on this evangelist for torture techniques. . .again).
Here is a bit more of this disturbing report by Charlie Brennan in the Rocky Mountain News:

A Denver-area man filed a lawsuit today against a member of the Secret Service for causing him to be arrested after he approached Vice President Dick Cheney in Beaver Creek this summer and criticized him for his policies concerning Iraq.
Attorney David Lane said that on June 16, Steve Howards was walking his 7-year-old son to a piano practice, when he saw Cheney surrounded by a group of people in an outdoor mall area, shaking hands and posing for pictures with several people.
According to the lawsuit filed at U.S. District Court in Denver, Howards and his son walked to about two-to-three feet from where Cheney was standing, and said to the vice president, “I think your policies in Iraq are reprehensible,” or words to that effect, then walked on.
Ten minutes later, according to Howards’ lawsuit, he and his son were walking back through the same area, when they were approached by Secret Service agent Virgil D. “Gus” Reichle Jr., who asked Howards if he had “assaulted” the vice president. Howards denied doing so, but was nonetheless placed in handcuffs and taken to the Eagle County Jail.

I can’t believe that this has to be reported.

— Steve Clemons

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48 comments on “CHALLENGE CHENEY Wherever He Goes: The Handcuffs Are Worth It

  1. IMSmall says:

    THE BIGGER AND THE SMALLER DIX
    My dick is not so big as Dick´s
    (That´s Cheney, don´t ya know?)
    So I may not go fuck myself
    Although he tell one so–
    Remember Dick is not unique
    Nor all of his cabal
    In going away go very far
    Nor machinations stall.
    .

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  2. WD says:

    And apparently some say he’ll run for President. of course, if Cheney does run, somebody’l probably shoot the bastard… in the face.

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  3. Michael says:

    I would love for some limp dick secret service to put handcuffs around me for saying my thoughts about our government out loud…Dick, you fat ass homosexual, speaking of, your carpet munching lesbian for a daughter…man FUCK YOU. it runs in the genes buddy, maybe u and geroge get down in the oval office. fukin homos. secret service, come find me..u can eat my shit out of the toilet. secret service are convicts that are allowed to kill for the sake of secrecy..FAGGOTS!

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  4. Mooser says:

    in a time of war…
    When was war declared? Did I miss something?

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  5. nobody says:

    You do not need to lay a hand on a person to be guilty of an assault. Battery is when you touch someone. Assault is putting them in fear of bodily harm. There is a reason why Bush and Cheney have permanent SS security details. If they don’t want to be “assaulted” by the public they should just stay in doors.

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  6. Carroll says:

    Off topic but…
    Is anyone reading State of Denial?
    I just skimmed thru it and will read more throughly when I have time and may change my opinion .. but so far it appears to me that trying to pass off most of this adm as “just” in “denial” is something of a cover up in itself…like an attorney’s insanity plea in murder trial.
    Huummm….I still think Bamford’s Pretext for War got closer to the real nitty gritty but evidently that is too hot for this congress to handle.

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  7. Kathleen says:

    How to be labeled an “enemy combatant” I guess is to speak your mind.
    Please don’t insult the Mafia. They don’t kill near as many people as the NeoNutzis and they don’t wrap themselves in a flag while they steal from you. Besides, there isn’t a two legged critter in this entire administration who could make the cut in The Mob. They can;t do mano a mona.
    The Mafia was born on the Night of the Sicilian Vespers, when Sicilians rid their island of their French invaders. The word MAFIA means, “Morta Alla Francia, Italia anella.” Death to the French, Italy’s desire. It was the byword for that revolt, kind of like one if by land, two if by sea. This country would do well if citizens took back the country from the invaders of the Oval Office.
    It’s peach season in mhy book.

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  8. linda says:

    get used to it .. it’s sop in bush’s amerika.

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  9. Pete_L_P says:

    ((((((((((((((
    Now let me get this straight. Some guy with his kid walks up to the Vice President of the United States, waits in line to yell at him, walks away and then walks back, in the same area where he just yelled at the Vice President of the United States, in a time of war, and doesn’t expect the Secret Service to do a two step take down on his sorry ass?
    ))))))))))))))
    In all of the reporting, not a single claim that Steve Howards yelled at Cheney. Yet our right wing friend includes this obvious distortion, thinking no one would notice. And this is the best they’ve got.
    Such distortion, as always, is very clear evidence that our radical right is absolutely aware that their positions have insufficient merit to be argued honestly.
    Pete

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  10. sdemetri says:

    I took my 12 yr old daughter down to the protest in DC a year ago September. Reading news reports after getting home, from both US and international sources the estimates of the crowd varied from tens of thousands, to, I think, 300,000.
    Doing a very rough calculation of street width, how far I could see up 15th St NW, along Constitution Av, and Pennsylvania Av, and estimating per square foot density of people for the areas I could see, I put the number at around 250,000. The more liberal leaning reports put the number at this upper end, a paper in Australia put the number in the tens of thousands, as did several other US and international papers.
    It seemed the actual numbers hardly mattered as what was reported, a manufactured perception, became the reality.

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  11. koreyel says:

    Thanks J @ 8:35. Yes, I did forget 🙁
    Re Carroll’s provocative comment:
    “… the internet has underminded public protest…”
    I’ve had similar thoughts.
    But then something like this comes along:
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-05-bush-protests_x.htm?csp=34

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  12. Pissed Off American says:

    What was comrad Howards thinking when he spoke outside the confines of a People’s Free Speech Zone? I hope he receives the necessary re-education programming.

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  13. .... says:

    the bullshit about ‘in this time of war’ is just that. these con artists would have everyone believe they are caught up in some great war, so that freedoms need to be taken away… they are proof of the war is on democracy, civil liberties and freedom as they- cheney, bush and company are clearly against any of it, in their bullshit time of war mantra. the friggin idiot hitler standin was walking through a public mail in a ‘time of war’. someone could have done more then told him like it is..

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  14. .... says:

    finest, i think you’re entitled to your opinion, but it isn’t anything more then that. also it appears you haven’t paid much attention to the data left in reenas post.

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  15. Finest says:

    Now let me get this straight. Some guy with his kid walks up to the Vice President of the United States, waits in line to yell at him, walks away and then walks back, in the same area where he just yelled at the Vice President of the United States, in a time of war, and doesn’t expect the Secret Service to do a two step take down on his sorry ass? This guy must be a masochist or:
    A. Really, really stupid, or
    B, Really, really, really stupid.
    The answer is B.

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  16. Pissed Off American says:

    “I can’t agree with Carroll more regarding the leaders being no smarter than many of us, just reinforcing the myth that they are.”
    Posted by karenk
    Good God, how could you DISAGREE after watching more than 30 seconds of the ignorant asshole that is masquerading as the President of the United States?

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  17. Carroll says:

    I think the internet has underminded public protest…although a information bonaza..it let’s us sit and rant instead of getting in the faces of our Polmafiso.
    I missed the protest of the sixties but could definitely sign up for some now. However if I am going to get arrested I want it to be for something big.
    Protest have also disappeared because they have had no real impact on the system. Without something to get massive numbers involved like a draft that would bring out students they don’t go anywhere.
    Personally I am for targeting politico’s one by one, cullng them from the protection of the herd so to speak, following them in their districts with signs saying Lantos is an Israeli whore selling out America for Israel…or Hasteret is a drug company whore selling you out for campaign money…or ..insert your favorite political whore saying…you have somewhere around 500 choices more or less.
    The best protest is ridiculing them with the truth, up close and personal…get on their nerves, piss them off, make them paranoid, then watch them explode.

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  18. Yellowbird says:

    Remember the Denver Three!
    http://www.denverthree.org
    They experienced a different variant of the “no free speech” zone around in Denver back in March 2005.
    And their case is still pending.

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  19. karenk says:

    I can’t agree with Carroll more regarding the leaders being no smarter than many of us, just reinforcing the myth that they are. It’s just that they intimidate us with their high level of (unfounded) confidence. It’s the same with most of these Washington Policy wonks. They think they are so brilliant and we’re dummies. Hey I graduated magna cum laude from college…Did W?
    And Steve this story scares the hell out of me. With the recent passing of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, and considering my predaliction for internet sites like Al Jazeera.netEnglish, I keep telling my family that if I should disapppear one day, I haven’t been kidnapped by aliens or some serial killer!(just the CIA)

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  20. steve duncan says:

    Bush is going to issue an executive order repealing the 1st Amendment in his third term anyway so this won’t be an issue after ’08.

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  21. parrot says:

    Harrassment is walking up to a politician and telling them calmly that you disagree with them. Yeah, that’s the brave new world the Bushites have wrought where the wealthy and the privileged are only ones who must be listened to and us peons, the lowly workers, are to be ignored because we openly revolt.

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  22. reena says:

    from today’s democracynow.org
    Steven Howards was arrested in a Denver mall after he approached Vice President Dick Cheney and denounced the war in Iraq. Secret Service agents accused him of assault and harassment. He’s suing them now for violating his civil rights. Howards joins us to speak about his ordeal. [includes rush transcript]
    Yesterday, a federal lawsuit was filed against the U.S government alleging civil rights violations. The lawsuit was filed by Steven Howards – an environmental consultant in Colorado – who was arrested in June after he approached Vice President Dick Cheney and denounced the war in Iraq. The lawsuit is the third one that’s been filed charging that Secret Service agents or White House staff members violated the law when they attempted to keep people with opposing views away from President Bush or Cheney. In another suit pending in Colorado, two people say they were kicked out of a public event where Bush was speaking because of an anti-war bumper sticker. And in West Virginia the ACLU has filed a lawsuit on behalf of two people who were arrested at an appearance by Bush because they were wearing anti-Bush t-shirts.
    • Steven Howards, was arrested in June on harassment charges after he approached Dick Cheney to denounce the Iraq War. He has filed a federal alleging civil rights violations.
    AMY GOODMAN: Steven Howards joins us now from Denver, where he filed the suit on Wednesday in federal district court. Welcome to Democracy Now!
    STEVEN HOWARDS: Thank you.
    AMY GOODMAN: It’s good to have you with us. Why don’t you explain exactly what happened? What day was it?
    STEVEN HOWARDS: I think it was the middle of June, and I was in Beaver Creek, Colorado, with my two kids, accompanying them to a piano camp. And that morning, I had read about the deaths, the rising death toll in Iraq. And who walks by me, but Mr. Cheney. And to be honest, I couldn’t resist the temptation. So I approached Mr. Cheney and told him that I thought his policies in Iraq were absolutely reprehensible.
    AMY GOODMAN: Just one sec. He, by himself, walked by you in a mall? Vice President Dick Cheney?
    STEVEN HOWARDS: Well, you know, yes. There was apparently — Gerald Ford has an annual kind of get-together of political VIPs, if you will, that — I don’t know — discuss world issues. And I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to cross Mr. Cheney. Mr. Cheney was actually going across an outdoor mall, kind of a pedestrian mall, in Beaver Creek, Colorado. And there were lots of Secret Service agents, but he was walking through, taking some time, shaking hands. There were probably more Secret Service agents there than there were members of Joe Public. But I, you know, I waited my turn, and I walked up to Mr. Cheney, and I told him what I thought. And then I quickly exited, because I didn’t want to create a scene or give anyone opportunity to cause me any problems.
    AMY GOODMAN: And so, what happened next?
    STEVEN HOWARDS: Well, I then continued on, took my child to piano camp, came back about ten minutes later, because if you know this area, you’ve got to pass through the same area. And I was approached by a Secret Service agent, who accused me of assaulting the Vice President. My eight-year-old son was standing next to me at that point in time. His exact words were, “Did you assault the Vice President?” And I said, “No, I didn’t. But I did tell him the way I felt about the war in Iraq, and if Mr. Cheney wanted to be shielded from public criticism, he should avoid public places.”
    And I closed by telling the agent that if freedom of speech was against the law, he should arrest me, at which point he grabbed me, cuffed my hands behind my back and started carting me across the mall. I stopped and told him I could not abandon my eight-year-old son in the middle of a public mall, at which point he responded, “We’ll call Social Services.” Fortunately, on the way out, we passed my wife, who — my son was with my wife. He had run off in terror. He wouldn’t even talk, he was so scared.
    They took me to jail, with my hands cuffed behind my back for three hours. The Secret Service agent told my wife, myself and anyone else that would listen that I was being charged with assaulting the Vice President. Those charges were later reduced to harassment. And two weeks later or three weeks later, the charges were dismissed altogether.
    AMY GOODMAN: What happened to you during that time? During that two weeks, did other people see you being arrested? Did they know who you were?
    STEVEN HOWARDS: Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. No, it was a scene. I was treated as though I was a convict, like criminal. It was horrifying for my kids. And so we waited for a few weeks. Actually, we left. We were going on vacation. We left a few days later. This actually happened two days before Father’s Day, so it was quite a memorable Father’s Day, as you can imagine. We left a few days later for our vacation, and we got back. In the mail, there was a notice that the charges had been dismissed. Apparently, the Secret Service had come to my office and to try to see me, and they would not leave their names. It was very Gestapo-ish, I must say. But I never returned their calls, and I have no reason why they came to my place of work. And that’s it.
    AMY GOODMAN: And why have you decided to sue the government now?
    STEVEN HOWARDS: You know, because it’s such a transparent attempt to suppress free speech. You know, we view the suppression of free speech and — my family, we view the suppression of free speech and the assault that this administration has made on our constitutional rights to free speech as a greater threat to the future of this country than Osama bin Laden ever will be. You know, first this administration argued that if you criticize their policies, you were in fact providing support to people like Osama bin Laden. You were boosting the threat to national security. Then they suggested that if you oppose their policies, you were actually equivalent to a Nazi sympathizer.
    You know, the nation is united on the need to fight terror. That’s not an issue. The question is, the issue is how this administration has gone about choosing to do that. And lots of people are very upset about that.
    And now, the administration has forged the final link by suggesting that if you exercise your constitutional rights to free speech in opposing this administration’s policies in Iraq, you are therefore posing a threat to national security and subject to arrest. And I don’t know about the rest of America, but I find that thought and that logic, that twisted logic, absolutely terrifying. So we brought the lawsuit to really expose this issue and to raise the question of, do we in fact still live in a free nation, where people are free to express their opposition to government policies?
    AMY GOODMAN: What are you asking for?
    STEVEN HOWARDS: Right now, we’re asking for a jury to — we’re actually deferring to a jury to decide what the resolution to this matter should be. We’re asking for some acknowledgement by the Secret Service and by the administration that people have a right to free speech. We’re asking for an apology to my kids for the wrongful arrest and search that occurred. And if any financial rewards or any financial settlement comes of this, that’s great, but that’s not the goal of the lawsuit. And if any financial rewards come, they’ll go to a charitable organization. That’s not our goal here. Our goal here is to prove a point.
    AMY GOODMAN: Isn’t the Vice President immune from prosecution as he sits in office?
    STEVEN HOWARDS: Yeah, well, actually this is a civil suit. And it’s against the Secret Service officer who did the arrest. After he arrested us and, again, threatened my wife and myself, saying he was going to spend all day Monday in the U.S. attorney’s office ensuring that felony assault charges were brought against us, he then gave us his business card. So we know exactly who arrested us. And this is actually a civil suit against the Secret Service agent.
    AMY GOODMAN: Steven Howards, I want to thank you very much for being with us. Again, arrested a few days before Father’s Day on harassment charges, first on assault charges, then lowered to harassment charges, for approaching Dick Cheney in a mall in Colorado.

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  23. erichwwk says:

    To report another case:
    http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/50105.html
    Of course, the allegations are untrue. I was there.
    Mr. Anderson was quite vocal, but the scuffle apparently occured when the UNM interim Dean Vera Norwood and an assistant tried to keep Bob from protecting a sign of a man in a wheelchair. No mention was made of the fact that the weapons design in question was the RRW, a clear violation of the NPT (as acknowledged by the one impartial panelist Dr. Elizabeth Stanley from Georgetown U).
    Bob was held on $5000 bail, requiring a $500 cost to those who think Universities are a place for honest and open dialogue, rather than marketing devices to legitimize illegal endeavors.the panelists were not even represe3ntative of those that favour nuclear weapons, and much of what was said would be refuted even by the pro nucleaqr industry.
    Details and seriousness of this event are too long to post here. Tose interested can email me privately, as I intend to do Steve.

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  24. jeff says:

    It’s verbal assault. Dick is a very sensitive guy.

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  25. goethean says:

    Another incident: No one seems to have noticed that Walter Jacobsen, longtime Chicago reporter was forced to retire from Fox News after he tried to report on Cheney’s hunting accident.

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  26. bob h says:

    Howards is lucky they didn’t designate him as an Enemy Combatant.

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  27. J. says:

    He koreyel – don’t you remember this?
    http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheney_told_to_go_fuck_yourself_in_Gulfport_Missi_0908.html
    Someone did tell Cheney to “go f*ck yourself” and he got hauled away. Not saying we shouldn’t do it, but it’s been done at least once.
    My opinion only, but I’ve never seen the SS so partisan as they are in this administration.

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  28. pol says:

    “The question I have is why doesn’t the average guy care? why do the Right have no problem I, and presumably they, grew up revering?”
    Because the “Right” is not the same Right you grew up with. This Right has been taken over by extremists, and the normal everyday Republican voter I used to know doesn’t really know these kinds of things are going on. You think Fox News is going to report this? They still think it’s all politics.
    As far as that goes, the MSN should report it as well, but they’ve fallen down on the job. If no one knows about it, how can there be any outcry? The MSM has done a darned good job of making us blogger-types out to be extremists, and for the most part, we’re the only ones with a fairly accurate idea of what Cheney/Bush/Republicans in general really look like. As a result, if you try to tell your Republican friend that Cheney is having people arrested for saying you despise his policies, they won’t believe you.
    Believe me, I know. I’ve been having an ongoing battle with a religious-type for two years now. He still thinks it’s all about politics — and not curious enough to prove himself wrong.

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  29. km4 says:

    “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”
    Franklin D. Roosevelt
    Inaugural Address
    March 4, 1933
    “The only thing we have is fear.”
    George W. Bush
    Radio Address
    September 30, 2006
    Posted by billmon at September 30, 2006 08:37 PM

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  30. TokyoTom says:

    The best liars are those who fool themselves. That holds true of this Administration, and not merely the idiot-savant at its head. But while they are lying to us and fooling themselves, they are still robbing us blind and damaging our future. They no doubt rationalize their behavior.
    We are a body whose head has been hijacked by and now obeys parasites, contrary to our own best interests.

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  31. Marcia says:

    There is method in their madness. With their policy of imperial executive power, when congress bows down, when the courts, save rare exceptions, turn the other cheek, why would an individual citizen be safe?
    One step after another they are dominating and repressing all forms of resistance.
    Now that the Geneva Convention is “redefined,” that torture is authorised, that secret internment is allowed it is just a question if the levees will “break” or be “topped.”

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  32. Aunt Deb says:

    POA, those of us who do not condone or support these changes have to continue to act as citizens of a democracy, don’t you think? Otherwise, who will operate the underground railroad and keep the victims of state repression alive in their attics? Steve is doing the cyber equivalent.

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  33. steambomb says:

    IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WE DON’T HARRASS AND ARREST PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING THEIR MIND IN PUBLIC — AND CHALLENGING POLITICAL LEADERS!
    Steve. I dont know which america you have been living in. This is in fact the america that I have seen for at least the last 4 years perhaps even all the way back to 2001. The bigger question is when will this abomination end? Or worse. Will it end?

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  34. Carroll says:

    I believe the issue is the gradual dumbing down of the electorate. In popular parlance, the right i.e. the entitlement, to freedom of speech is of no higher standing than the “Right” to the social safety net, or a living wage, or statistical diversity, not that there is anything wrong with those values, but they are nnot fundamental.
    Posted by mlaw230 at October 4, 2006 08:50 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Re..dumbing down. I had a revelation many years ago..it was realizing that “leaders’, people of authority and etc…aren’t any “smarter” than a large number of the public. They just foster the myth that they are, and the true dummies in the public accept this myth…the rest of us spend our time talking to ourselves and having near mental breakdowns over this.
    The funniest/sad thing I ever read was an article in the Houston paper when Bush was staying at a hotel where a convention of Mary Kay ladies were also staying…and their comments about how “they just had to trust in their “leader” because he knew things they didn’t and they wouldn’t understand these things anyway”.

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  35. Pissed Off American says:

    Steve, you just don’t get it, do you? Our democracy is laying in the same rubble heap that the WTC is. Did you miss noticing the private army of mercenaries roaming New Orleans carrying Uzis while the guns of American citizens were being confinscated? Have you not bothered to read the Patriot Act?? You can’t possibly just now be awakening to what is happening to our nation.
    Just keep telling yourself, Steve. “It can’t happen here, it can’t happen here….it can’t happen here….”

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  36. God says:

    rapier : Challenge Cheney? Go ahead if it makes you feel any better but it won’t mean a thing.
    Wrong, it does mean something.
    It means that Cheney is no longer going unchallenged as he has by seemingly so many people during the last few years.
    It means the SWORD of TRUTH is being revealed to saw off the head of the fascist wing of the GOP.
    Cheney and the GOP came in guns a blazing.
    They came in charging after having become extremely well organized.
    Eg:
    Bush vs Gore
    Schwarzeneggar ousting Davis
    Delay re-drawing the map
    The GOP takes the Hill while Diebold is running elections
    The PNAC is founded and a Pearl Harbor-like even is predicted

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  37. parrot says:

    Man, that guy and his son were lucky that Foley and Cheney weren’t out huntin’ at the time. Something like that. Safer in jail?

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  38. koreyel says:

    Instead of:
    “I think your policies in Iraq are reprehensible”
    The man should have said:
    “Go fuck yourself.”
    If such words are decent enough to be spoken by the VP’s tongue on the Senate’s floor, they are decent enough for the VP’s ear in a mall.
    My suggestion to anyone reading this:
    If ever you have a chance to speak to Cheney don’t miss your chance to return him his due.
    Say it as clearly and precisely as you can: GO FUCK YOURSELF!

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  39. rapier says:

    Cheney cannot be challenged, to any effect, by anyone in the public. They will be disregarded. His polled approval ratings are near 20%. So what? Does he appear to care? He can still fill a public appearance with reliable GOP supporters who will cheer every word he says.
    He can’t and won’t be challenged within the administration. I suppose Powell challenged him in his day. To what effect? None at all. Powell was disregaded, humiliated and thrown aside. A usefull idiot.
    He won’t be challenged within the congress. Name me one GOP congress person who has ever gone on record even criticizing him in anything but the mildest terms.
    He won’t be challenged by Bush. Today, 10/4/06 Bush used classic Cheney rhetoric about Democrats being weak on terrorism.
    Challenge Cheney? What a joke. Why do people still think the old rules apply? As I said, his approval ratings are impossibly low. Down in an area reserved for……. well I can’t think or anyone. As a general rule 1/3 of Americans when polled with be favorable to about anyone or anything, except Hitler or Jeff Dahmer, that sort of thing. No politician of any import in American history has had approval ratings as low as Cheney. Would 10% approval ratings make a difference? Of course not. 20%, 10%, in that ballpark there is no difference.
    Have those numbers lowered his influence. There has been no sign of it save Condi’s pathetic public diplomacy of late. We can assume he held those moves in contempt, probably only slightly less than the contemt her moves were met with on the road in the Middle East.
    Challenge Cheney? Go ahead if it makes you feel any better but it won’t mean a thing.

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  40. in extremis says:

    how different would this nation be,
    if nazi germany had won the war?….

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  41. mlaw230 says:

    This bit of news is perhaps as troubling as any other. The question I have is why doesn’t the average guy care? why do the Right have no problem I, and presumably they, grew up revering?
    I believe the issue is the gradual dumbing down of the electorate. In popular parlance, the right i.e. the entitlement, to freedom of speech is of no higher standing than the “Right” to the social safety net, or a living wage, or statistical diversity, not that there is anything wrong with those values, but they are nnot fundamental.
    The problem is that we have allowed those on the right to lump entitlements such as the Bill of Rights provides with all others, so that when there was a predictable backlash against entitlements, the framing was all “entitlement” just like any other, including the Bill of Rights, which is a lot easier target than God given inherent rights.
    In essence WE, i.e. the left, have conflated first order human rights with important but less fundamental values and they have simply taken advantage of it.

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  42. douglass truth says:

    Thing is, they just got the power to do anything they want, to any of us. That law they just passed is not a joke; ther rules have changed.
    Any one of us could be called an enemy combatant for giving comfort to the enemy, for asking a question of Dick Cheney.
    It could be ruled unconstitutional – but is that going to stop them? I’d rather not have to find out.

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  43. RAM says:

    This has to be the most cowardly administration in the history of the republic, full of draft dodgers and (in at least one case–that would be the President of these United States) troops who boogied before their hitches were up. It’s no wonder they confuse criticism with assault. It’s remarkable Cheney didn’t have another heart attack given the bruise to his tender sensibilities…

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  44. God says:

    Fat-boy Cheney and the Secret Service, now known as the SS, probably deserve to be renditioned to Iraq and perhaps subjected to their own interrogation techniques in order to discover what they know about the US Constitution.
    Cheney is perhaps at the bottom of the white trash barrel!!!

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  45. Carroll says:

    We are paying the salaries of the guys who take orders from our new dicators who have us arrested…how much more ridiculous than that can it get?
    MafiaUSA..
    Coup,coup,coup!
    They can’t arrest us all.

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  46. Robert says:

    Who the hell asks you if you “assaulted” someone?
    Are the Secret Service really just a bunch of pussies who harrass the people who pay their salaries? Seriously, if disagreeing with a Republican is now “assault”, I should be in Jail! The whole story stinks like the dark, festering maw where Cheney’s heart once beat.

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